TNG runthrough

IvySlayer · 17-09-2018 5:54pm

Dr Crusher episodes are the worst

Sub Rosa, where she gets off with a ghost

Where she's trapped in a warp bubble, 'If there's nothing wrong with me, maybe there's something wrong with the universe!"

The boring ferengi scientist murder mystery one..

17-09-2018 10:27pm

Timicin wrote:

the work will continue

can't stop the work

TheIrishGrover · 18-09-2018 9:18am

Evade wrote: »

For all the many faults of that episode "I AM NOT A MERRY MAN" makes it worth it.

I always enjoyed that one. Looked like they were just having a good laugh:

"Jean-Luc. For some reason I'm on Sherwood Forest"

"Yes, I know"

19-09-2018 5:10pm

it's darmok and jalad time

greedygoblin · 19-09-2018 5:15pm

bluewolf wrote: »

it's darmok and jalad time

Shaka when the walls fell.

Great episode. Haven't seen it in years.

Evade · 19-09-2018 5:17pm

bluewolf wrote: »

it's darmok and jalad time

I always thought Picard thinking the book he finds while rummaging through Dathon's things is a logbook is a bit of a leap, it could be almost anything.

pixelburp · 19-09-2018 5:27pm

"Temba, his arms wide!"

19-09-2018 7:29pm

"doctor you killed the giant floating crystal"
"i did it for renny my son"
"renny thinks you're an asshole now doc. From what i can tell of his memories. Soz"

I wish they'd managed to communicate with the giant flying crystal. I thought it was evil in the ep with lore?

Cookie_Monster · 19-09-2018 9:32pm

bluewolf wrote: »

I wish they'd managed to communicate with the giant flying crystal. I thought it was evil in the ep with lore?

brainless rather than evil, no?
The meet again in one of the Titan books and expand on it a bit. It's just the space equivalent of an apex predator.

19-09-2018 9:33pm

I must go back and check that one again

20-09-2018 8:14pm

Spock has made an appearance!

odyssey06 · 20-09-2018 8:32pm

As you are watching, keep an eye out for some guest actors who auditioned for main cast roles e.g.
- Eric Menuyk (The Traveller) auditioned for the role of Data
- William Campbell (The Outrageous Okono) auditioned for the role of Riker
- Rosalind Chao (Keiko) was considered for the role of Tasha Yar, but turned down the final audition.
- Julia Nickson was also in the running for Tasha Yar, popped up as Ensign Liam T'Su in "Arsenal of Freedom" and Cassandra in DS9's paradise

In other series, William Russ (Tuvok) auditioned for Geordi, and Stephen Macht ("Krim" in DS9 The Circle) was considered for Picard.

Evade · 21-09-2018 12:12am

bluewolf wrote: »

Spock has made an appearance!

Evade wrote: »

There's a nice callback/payoff to that in season 5.

odyssey06 wrote: »

In other series, William Russ (Tuvok) auditioned for Geordi

He shows up in Starship Mine as one of the thieves and as a crewman on the Enterprise B in Generations too.

I watched Gambit and Paralells the other day. Captain Data is one of my favourite things in TNG, it's a pity he only shows up in Gambit and Redemption. Paralells is probably one of the best of season seven, crazed Riker from the Borg Universe and captain Riker's "It's been a long time" to Picard are nice little touches.

Goodshape · 21-09-2018 10:20am

Paralells is one of my favourites alright. Don't think it get's enough praise actually.

The following episode, The Pegasus, is really solid too.

Inviere · 22-09-2018 3:46pm

Finished. Season 7, imo, relative to what came before, is a stinker of a season. Cracking finale, and a handful of solid eps, but by and large it was pretty bad.

26-09-2018 4:16pm

Today we learn that alexander is a brat, worf is a bit lost and refuses help, and warp without a warp drive!
i guess the floaty organisms weren't the first attempt

Inviere · 26-09-2018 4:42pm

bluewolf wrote: »

and warp without a warp drive!

Never properly got that "concept", in terms of how they were saying it'd replace warp drive.

"Conn, drop us out of warp and change course for sector 001, engage!"

"Em, Captain, we can't. We're travelling by Soliton Wave so we need to continue on to our destination to meet a dispersal wave. Once we're there and safely out of this wave, I'll message the station to send a new wave headed for Sector 001 that we can get a lift off of, ok?"

pixelburp · 26-09-2018 5:06pm

I could easily imagine how, in a post-scarcity society like the Federation, there'd be dozens if not hundreds of these sorts of experiments; with no constraints on budgets, politics, conflict or any of the usual concepts that block ideas, anyone smart enough could get their batty experiment fronted by Starfleet. With no pressure towards practicality, no idea is too silly.

26-09-2018 5:25pm

Inviere wrote: »

Never properly got that "concept", in terms of how they were saying it'd replace warp drive.

"Conn, drop us out of warp and change course for sector 001, engage!"

"Em, Captain, we can't. We're travelling by Krieger Wave so we need to continue on to our destination to meet a dispersal wave. Once we're there and safely out of this wave, I'll message the station to send a new wave headed for Sector 001 that we can get a lift off of, ok?"

Yeah it seemed a bit mad but i figured if it worked they could do a portable controllable version or something

Inviere · 26-09-2018 5:34pm

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah it seemed a bit mad but i figured if it worked they could do a portable controllable version or something

Something has to generate a dispersal wave, in front of you, heading in the opposite direction to you though in order to stop you. Similarly, something has to generate a wave behind you, so you can get swept away in it. I'm not sure how portable the tech really could have been

26-09-2018 5:37pm

Inviere wrote: »

Something has to generate a dispersal wave, in front of you, heading in the opposite direction to you though. Similarly, something has to generate a wave behind you, so you can get swept away in it. I'm not sure how portable the tech really could have been

I'll be honest i was paying less attention to that and more attention to yelling "there's no sound in space!" at the fancy sound effects from it...

Inviere · 26-09-2018 5:43pm

bluewolf wrote: »

I'll be honest i was paying less attention to that and more attention to yelling "there's no sound in space!" at the fancy sound effects from it...

(Even JJ got that right!)

Evade · 26-09-2018 5:57pm

bluewolf wrote: »

I'll be honest i was paying less attention to that and more attention to yelling "there's no sound in space!" at the fancy sound effects from it...

I always liked the old Star Wars EU excuse for sound in space, it's speakers in the cockpits/helmets giving you information from the sensors as sounds. Instead of looking at the sensor screen to see there's TIEs coming from behind you hear them.

26-09-2018 9:42pm

It's funny watching some episodes and being like, i don't remember this, but that's a bad guy...

28-09-2018 6:49pm

Worf's answer to another problem is death and Riker gives him a dressing down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaR7Uxau9OY
Bit dull but Frakes is a great actor

Inviere · 28-09-2018 7:19pm

bluewolf wrote: »

Worf's answer to another problem is death and Riker gives him a dressing down.

You can understand why though, in a warrior culture, losing the ability to stand is losing their way of life. I think Picards response is the most enlightened, we may not agree with their beliefs, but we should respect them, and not impose our own morality onto another culture.

AMKC · 02-10-2018 11:46pm

bluewolf wrote: »

Worf's answer to another problem is death and Riker gives him a dressing down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaR7Uxau9OY
Bit dull but Frakes is a great actor

I thought it was a great episode.

Inviere wrote: »

You can understand why though, in a warrior culture, losing the ability to stand is losing their way of life. I think Picards response is the most enlightened, we may not agree with their beliefs, but we should respect them, and not impose our own morality onto another culture.

But why should someone from another culture impose there believes onto someone who does not believe in them.

I thought Rikers response to Worfs request was brilliant and the right thing to do as well. Worf changed his mind fairly quickly when he realised who it would be that would carry out his request. Funny he had no problem asking Riker to do it but as soon as it was his son he did not have the courage to go through with it. Ironically that could have led to Alexander having a very different life do and maybe even becoming a better Klingon. Some friend he was do not having a problem trying to get his friend aka Riker to do something he did not want to do.

Evade · 03-10-2018 2:34am

I think the biggest misstep in that episode is having Worf paralysed from the waist down instead of the neck down. Worf's position would be easier to justify then.

TheIrishGrover · 03-10-2018 4:06pm

As clunky as Babylon 5 dialogue could be, there was a good episode involving the doctor: There was a dying kid who could have been saved by a simple procedure which was forbidden by his people's beliefs.
He went against their beliefs and saved the kid only for the parents to freak out, devastated. They killed the kid in an attempt to undo what the doctor had done and try to save their kid's life. The doc got on his high horse about how backwards and stupid they were only for the commander to smack him down for being so arrogant assuming that his beliefs were superior to theirs.

Evade · 03-10-2018 4:51pm

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

As clunky as Babylon 5 dialogue could be, there was a good episode involving the doctor: There was a dying kid who could have been saved by a simple procedure which was forbidden by his people's beliefs.
He went against their beliefs and saved the kid only for the parents to freak out, devastated. They killed the kid in an attempt to undo what the doctor had done and try to save their kid's life. The doc got on his high horse about how backwards and stupid they were only for the commander to smack him down for being so arrogant assuming that his beliefs were superior to theirs.

Objectively, they are. Allowing your child to die because of some backwards belief is dumb. Doesn't matter if it's religious tradition or vaccines cause autism, dumb is dumb.

Inviere · 03-10-2018 5:31pm

AMKC wrote: »

But why should someone from another culture impose there believes onto someone who does not believe in them.

Worf wasn't imposing anything though, he asked his friend, who he trusted, to help him carry out a ritual that he agreed with and believed in. All Riker had to do was say no, which he did. In that episode, Riker represented us, the viewer. Picard represented the "Star Trek" viewpoint.

You're right that he backed down when Riker suggested he had to ask Alexander to do it. Again though, I didn't see that as a weakness, more that Worf at times was more human than he let on.

03-10-2018 9:12pm

Tom Paris just showed up

Evade · 04-10-2018 1:31am

bluewolf wrote: »

Tom Paris just showed up

Slightly weird fact about this episode is it is (or was at one time) shown to USAF Academy cadets to show how the cadets they should apply the cadet honour code, "we will not lie, steal, or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does."

TheIrishGrover · 05-10-2018 9:16am

Wasn't Paris actually supposed to actually be that character? Thought I read it somewhere. That would have explained the so called initial hostility against him that the Voyager producers had planned (And immediately abandoned) as opposed to some other hotshot cadet/young pilot that was in trouble with Starfleet who looked a lot like him

Evade · 05-10-2018 11:05am

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Wasn't Paris actually supposed to actually be that character? Thought I read it somewhere. That would have explained the so called initial hostility against him that the Voyager producers had planned (And immediately abandoned) as opposed to some other hotshot cadet/young pilot that was in trouble with Starfleet who looked a lot like him

There was a copyright thing in Star Trek where the writer of an episode/story would own any new characters they created for the episode so if they used Nick Locarno in Voyager they'd have to pay the writer of the First Duty for every episode he was in. So they just cross out Nicholas Locarno's name and write in Tom Paris to get out of it. It's the same reason Vorik on Voyager isn't Taurik from Lower Decks.

05-10-2018 8:13pm

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

Wasn't Paris actually supposed to actually be that character? Thought I read it somewhere. That would have explained the so called initial hostility against him that the Voyager producers had planned (And immediately abandoned) as opposed to some other hotshot cadet/young pilot that was in trouble with Starfleet who looked a lot like him

What happens if you get expelled from the academy?
can you still get into starfleet another way? is there a 3 year moratorium then you can apply again?

Evade · 06-10-2018 12:24am

bluewolf wrote: »

What happens if you get expelled from the academy?
can you still get into starfleet another way?

Join whatever quasi military there is on a planet in the process of joining the Federation. There was a line in Rapture about integrating the Bajoran Militia into Starfleet. There's an officer exchange program with Federation allies too. Benzites and Klingons were shown in participating in it in a Matter of Honour and Sins of the Father along with Riker serving on a Klingon ship in the former.

06-10-2018 11:53am

I had no idea or had totally forgotten lwaxana troi was the computer voice. Hearing her talk to herself with alexander into the holosuite was funny
And then she won't talk to herself with the replicator

"i think your replicator is having a nervous lapse"

dr.fuzzenstein · 07-10-2018 8:57pm

bluewolf wrote: »

I had no idea or had totally forgotten lwaxana troi was the computer voice. Hearing her talk to herself with alexander into the holosuite was funny
And then she won't talk to herself with the replicator "i think your replicator is having a nervous lapse"

Majel Barret was in absolutely everything, bar Discovery, which doesn't count anyway.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majel_Barrett

08-10-2018 9:14pm

dr crusher what are you at trying to save a borg.
run away run away

10-10-2018 9:16pm

I know picard is a captain and knows lots of things and all, but hearing a random planet name after being 'kidnapped' or something and going 'oh that's not a federation planet' immediately. how would you know! there's like 150 of them

Evade · 10-10-2018 10:46pm

bluewolf wrote: »

I know picard is a captain and knows lots of things and all, but hearing a random planet name after being 'kidnapped' or something and going 'oh that's not a federation planet' immediately. how would you know! there's like 150 of them

There's more than that. 150 is the number of species (planets that originated a species might be more accurate), there are a lot of colonies out there too. If there were only 150 planets the deal with Cardassia to maintain peace would have involved losing about 10% of the Federation which would have been a much bigger deal.

11-10-2018 7:47am

I just did a quick google before i posted it and it said 150 planetary govts.
I suppose that's even more my point then.
Where is this
Kataan
Oh that's not fed

Ahhh

odyssey06 · 11-10-2018 8:35am

That planet was well known for a recent referendum where it voted against joining. Or somesuch...

11-10-2018 8:42am

That was the one that died 1000 years ago from a nova. I don't think they mentioned the fed at all
"the inner light" episode

odyssey06 · 11-10-2018 9:21am

bluewolf wrote: »

That was the one that died 1000 years ago from a nova. I don't think they mentioned the fed at all
"the inner light" episode

Ok good point... On the other hand, there are 200+ countries in the world. If someone said you were in the country of (random word) Kinshaya, you might very well say, "But that's not a country on Earth".

Evade · 11-10-2018 12:09pm

bluewolf wrote: »

I just did a quick google before i posted it and it said 150 planetary govts.
I suppose that's even more my point then.
Where is this
Kataan
Oh that's not fed

Ahhh

You were right, according to startrek.com it's 150 planetary governments which would include the colonies. That seems way too small. It also means we've seen or heard about all but 50 of those planets on screen and 10% of Federation worlds were in the DMZ while it was there.

I'm going to have to put this down to Star Trek writers can't scale. Like with the Bajoran occupation resulting in 15 million Bajoran deaths, which sounds like a lot but it lasted 50 years. WWII killed 80 million people directly and due to famine etc, in less than 10 years. I have to assume they don't include death by natural causes in that figure since about 0.5% of the population* would die that way every year.

*US rate, it was the first one that came in a search and is probably a pretty good analogue for Bajor.

14-10-2018 10:17pm

Fair play to barclay, if i saw scary giant worm things trying to eat me in the transporter-land, in the middle of being gripped by transporter phobia, i would not be grabbing and trying to save them

15-10-2018 7:18pm

I quite like data's poem

Ode to Spot

Felis Catus
is your taxonomic nomenclature
An endothermic quadruped
carniverous by nature
Your visual, olfactory,
and auditory senses
Contribute to your hunting skills
and natural defenses.
I find myself intrigued
by your sub-vocal oscillations
A singular development
of cat communications
That obviates your
basic hedonistic predilection
For a rhythmic stroking of your fur
to demonstrate affection.
A tail is quite essential
for your acrobatic talents
You would not be so agile
if you lacked its counterbalance
And when not being utilized
to aid in locomotion
It often serves to illustrate
the state of your emotion
Oh Spot,
e complex levels of behavior you display
Denote a fairly well developed cognitive array
And though you are not sentient, Spot, and do not comprehend
I nonetheless consider you a true and valued friend.

16-10-2018 10:04pm

Oh my god Gul Madred is Jon Irenicus!!! I'd know that voice anywhere!!!
it is time for more ... experiments. you should survive the process

PS THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!!!!!!!

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