The Orville

gloobag · 28-10-2017 11:22pm

degrassinoel wrote: »

if ye feel that way after 7 episodes, might be time to watch something else instead

Couldn't the same be said for all of those bitching about every episode of Discovery? Apparently, you're allowed to continue watching a Star Trek show while actively hating on it.

The problem is, there are things to like about The Orville, which makes it all the more frustrating to watch and fools you into thinking that maybe the next episode will hit the right balance, or the cast will start to settle into their roles.

I'll keep giving it a chance, and bitch about it when it ****s the bed, and I won't apologise for that.

29-10-2017 12:37am

gloobag wrote: »

Couldn't the same be said for all of those bitching about every episode of Discovery? Apparently, you're allowed to continue watching a Star Trek show while actively hating on it.

The problem is, there are things to like about The Orville, which makes it all the more frustrating to watch and fools you into thinking that maybe the next episode will hit the right balance, or the cast will start to settle into their roles.

I'll keep giving it a chance, and bitch about it when it ****s the bed, and I won't apologise for that.

Except you're bitching about the entire premise while others are discussing individual episodes. It's also just as bad as people lashing Discovery each week for the same small things

gloobag · 29-10-2017 2:09am

Deleted User wrote: »

Except you're bitching about the entire premise while others are discussing individual episodes. It's also just as bad as people lashing Discovery each week for the same small things

I bitched about the execution of the premise. Not the premise itself, which I have no problem with.

AMKC · 29-10-2017 2:15am

I have to say that was a very enjoyable but strange episode. When it started I thought a mistake had been made and something else had started lol but then the introduction came on and I knew it was the Orville. I can,t believe that some people don,t find it funny. I found it very funny. I also love how the shuttle could [/SPOILER]cloak[/SPOILER] I wonder can the ship do it too. I thought it ways a great way of showing how that kind of ruling system would not work.

_Kaiser_ · 29-10-2017 1:18pm

gloobag wrote: »

I bitched about the execution of the premise. Not the premise itself, which I have no problem with.

Whereas with Discovery, it's the other way around for a lot of fans - myself included.

Watched this week's Orville last night and really enjoyed it for the most part although I felt the last scene was a bit rushed, and LeMarr doing something so stupid in the first place during an undercover mission on a new alien world was poor and unnecessary given how (for example) Alara almost ended up in the same situation later on because of a hat.

degrassinoel · 30-10-2017 2:46pm

gloobag wrote: »

Couldn't the same be said for all of those bitching about every episode of Discovery? Apparently, you're allowed to continue watching a Star Trek show while actively hating on it.

if you mean me specifically, i gave up after the forth or fifth episode of STD for pretty much the same kind of reasons you're ragging on The Orville for right now. Tbh, i even mentioned that in one of the episode threads. If that's not what ye mean, i don't get why you're still watching and expecting something different in the show you apparently love to hate watching

In any case, i'm not dictating discussion terms, i merely gave some advice based on your input.

AMKC · 30-10-2017 4:56pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Whereas with Discovery, it's the other way around for a lot of fans - myself included.

Watched this week's Orville last night and really enjoyed it for the most part although I felt the last scene was a bit rushed, and LeMarr doing something so stupid in the first place during an undercover mission on a new alien world was poor and unnecessary given how (for example) Alara almost ended up in the same situation later on because of a hat.

I agree with you on the last scene I also thought it was rushed. I think what they were trying to show is that it did not matter if it was something really offensive and stupid like what LeMarr did or something very simple like the hat that Alara was wearing with the system of rule that the world they were on had you could very easily find yourself in trouble and on the way to becoming lobotomised if you can,t stop your votes going up .
I also thought the reveal of Alara as an alien to the cafe worker was quiet predictable.

corkie · 30-10-2017 11:20pm

The Orville: UK air date for Seth MacFarlane sci-fi
It's official: The Orville will land on FOX here in the UK on Thursday the 14th of December...

Family Guy and American Dad fans awaiting the UK launch of Seth MacFarlane's Star Trek spoof The Orville will have to wait a little longer. The space-set comedy won't arrive on these shores until Thursday the 14th of December.

gloobag · 01-11-2017 2:16am

degrassinoel wrote: »

if you mean me specifically, i gave up after the forth or fifth episode of STD for pretty much the same kind of reasons you're ragging on The Orville for right now. Tbh, i even mentioned that in one of the episode threads. If that's not what ye mean, i don't get why you're still watching and expecting something different in the show you apparently love to hate watching

In any case, i'm not dictating discussion terms, i merely gave some advice based on your input.

No, I was not referring to anyone in particular. I was referring to those Star Trek fans who seem intent on complaining about anything that does not adhere to their fan fiction dreams of what Star Trek "should" be. But that criticism is totally valid. Just as my criticism of The Orville is.

Although I will say that there seems to be a subset of Star Trek "fans" who seem intent on liking The Orville simply to spite Discovery, I'm guessing because it won't fulfill their post Nemesis wet dreams.

As for me continuing to watch The Orville, that's my choice and it's no less valid a choice as someone who thoroughly enjoys the show deciding to continue watching. I am rooting for the show, it's just that it has, thus far, failed to meet the standard that I would expect from a modern Scifi show, and vastly fails to meet the standard I would expect of a comedy from the mind of Seth McFarlane.

That being said, I gave multiple Star Trek shows many more chances than I have yet to give The Orville, and that ultimately paid off. So, I will continue watching, and criticising if the fancy takes me.

Goodshape · 01-11-2017 4:02am

They lost me on the Krill episode but the most recent one, on the earth-like planet, was pretty good. Really can't stand that wise-cracking idiotic crew member though. Not even sure what his job is? The black guy who got arrested. No character should have that little amount of cop-on.

But otherwise a good take on the internet-memes-destroy-the-world trope.

degrassinoel · 01-11-2017 9:43am

gloobag wrote: »

No, I was not referring to anyone in particular. I was referring to those Star Trek fans who seem intent on complaining about anything that does not adhere to their fan fiction dreams of what Star Trek "should" be. But that criticism is totally valid. Just as my criticism of The Orville is.

Although I will say that there seems to be a subset of Star Trek "fans" who seem intent on liking The Orville simply to spite Discovery, I'm guessing because it won't fulfill their post Nemesis wet dreams.

As for me continuing to watch The Orville, that's my choice and it's no less valid a choice as someone who thoroughly enjoys the show deciding to continue watching. I am rooting for the show, it's just that it has, thus far, failed to meet the standard that I would expect from a modern Scifi show, and vastly fails to meet the standard I would expect of a comedy from the mind of Seth McFarlane.

That being said, I gave multiple Star Trek shows many more chances than I have yet to give The Orville, and that ultimately paid off. So, I will continue watching, and criticising if the fancy takes me.

fair enough, each to their own i guess

Greyjoy · 01-11-2017 3:00pm

AMKC wrote: »

I agree with you on the last scene I also thought it was rushed. I think what they were trying to show is that it did not matter if it was something really offensive and stupid like what LeMarr did or something very simple like the hat that Alara was wearing with the system of rule that the world they were on had you could very easily find yourself in trouble and on the way to becoming lobotomised if you can,t stop your votes going up .
I also thought the reveal of Alara as an alien to the cafe worker was quiet predictable.

I can see how the reaction Alara provoked was to show you could get downvoted for just an innocent faux pas. But the writers established that with the reveal of what the two union anthropologists had done on the public transport so it made Alara's situation a bit redundant. Having said that LeMarr's actions were infuriating. Even without the context of the up/down votes the team were still on an undercover mission and he acted like he didn't care.

seamus · 01-11-2017 3:10pm

I do agree that what LeMarr did was a bit ridiculous. Imagine you've been parachuted in on a covert rescue mission to a foreign country that you know basically nothing about. Even the stupidest individual isn't going to start performing in the street and making a scene.

Yes, the intention was to show that in an absolute democracy, small infractions would be punished just as badly as big ones. But they could have gone for something more innocuous, a bit like the Star Trek episode where Wesley is sentenced to death. Say LeMarr is having the exact same conversation, but walking backwards, and knocks over the statue or something and then makes a balls of trying to put it back up.

But I guess the show is supposed to be a little "whacky".

server down · 01-11-2017 11:42pm

Where are you all watching this?

corkie · 02-11-2017 12:23am

server down wrote: »

Where are you all watching this?

Probably p1rat3d since it has not aired in the UK!

corkie wrote: »

The Orville: UK air date for Seth MacFarlane sci-fi
It's official: The Orville will land on FOX here in the UK on Thursday the 14th of December...

Agent Coulson · 02-11-2017 7:13pm

Renewed for a second season by Fox.

AMKC · 02-11-2017 7:19pm

I see it has been renewed by Fox for a second season.

We have only six episodes left to watch of this season.

http://deadline.com/2017/11/the-orville-renewed-for-season-2-fox-seth-macfarlane-1202200369/

readyletsgo · 02-11-2017 7:30pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Renewed for a second season by Fox.

Brilliant news, really enjoying the 'stupidness' of the Orville. It seems to get better each week.
Just can't get into Discovery at all.

AMKC · 02-11-2017 7:33pm

server down wrote: »

Where are you all watching this?

Check your messages.

degrassinoel · 02-11-2017 8:30pm

readyletsgo wrote: »

Brilliant news, really enjoying the 'stupidness' of the Orville. It seems to get better each week.
Just can't get into Discovery at all.

same myself sadly, but yeah, happy to hear this is getting a second season too

Avatar MIA · 03-11-2017 12:17pm

Pretty much binge watched the first 8 episodes. Really enjoying it, also liking STD. Maybe I'm easy :pac:

At first I wondered if the AI actually was the same actor as DATA, their speech patterns and inflections seem very alike. This cannot be a coincidence.

Some of the pro critics said it was not original enough. I thought the story lines could have easily fitted into TOS or other shows (with tweaks obviously), but were different in their story line.

The show seems a little amateurish at times, but look back at TOS and that had similar issues.

Up voted by me

Slydice · 03-11-2017 10:03pm

That one was good.

Back on Message!

Kasidy Yates for Captain!

silverharp · 04-11-2017 4:27pm

Isaac is likable, his sorting out of the gameboy problem was funny.

AMKC · 05-11-2017 1:43pm

I really enjoyed that episode well except for the beginning with the two boys arguing that was annoying.

It as not overdone with humour it just had a little bit and it was a bit tense in parts too.

I thought both Isaac and the Doctor done great in that episode.

Isaac for captain lol.

Avatar MIA · 05-11-2017 1:47pm

AMKC wrote: »

with the two boys arguing that was annoying.

I think that's what they were going for

degrassinoel · 05-11-2017 7:01pm

"Now entering Gloryhole" lmfao

AMKC · 05-11-2017 10:39pm

degrassinoel wrote: »

"Now entering Gloryhole" lmfao

Ye that part was funny alright

Avatar MIA · 11-11-2017 3:01pm

Funny episode. And Seth acted well, this may be down to him being able to live out a boyhood mancrush on Lowe.

The episode got slatted on Geek.com, but think they were being oversensitive (and have their own issues). Okay, it was back to the jokey side of things after a couple of Star Trek light episodes, but I found it enjoyable.

AMKC · 12-11-2017 2:27pm

I also thought that episode was enjoyable and funny.

MrJones1973 · 12-11-2017 9:18pm

Im in Two minds about this Series . Have watched about four episodes. Its Star Trek Very lite but is a nice counterpoint to the Bleakness of much Sci Fi. Its more Trek like than Discovery if that makes any sense

youngblood · 12-11-2017 11:02pm

Well hasnt this been a really pleasant discovery, I never thought I'd say this as am not a star trek fan but show is really good, funny in the right spots, effects pretty good for the most part and story line moves at a great pace...
recent episode....You knee is dislocated I must repair it....lots of chuckles

And thats from someone who hasnt chuckled in a long time at anything on tv

Goodshape · 13-11-2017 1:21am

Really enjoyed this week's episode.The humour worked. Guest star was great.

_Kaiser_ · 14-11-2017 3:52pm

Yep, enjoyed this one as well. Definitely a lot lighter than recent episodes but that's not a bad thing - plus

the possible consequences for Ed and Kelly of it turning out that Darulio was likely in "heat" when he and Kelly hooked up a year ago

degrassinoel · 15-11-2017 10:57am

thought it was one of the weaker episodes so far but i still lol'd at the gags, the two warring alien species makeup was really well done though

corkie · 15-11-2017 9:18pm

Seth MacFarlane's The Orville season 1 is going to be cut short
Only by one episode, though.

However, it seems that not all of the 13-episode first season will be broadcast this year, as it is now being reported that the show will be losing the season one finale.

According to TV Guide, the current season will finish on Thursday, December 7 after 12 episodes – but, don't worry, the original finale won't become a lost episode.

Instead, it is being reported that the 13th episode will now air as part of the second season, likely to drop around September 2018.

Someone re-post this on the TV forum thread, why we need two threads is another thing.

15-11-2017 11:37pm

corkie wrote: »

Seth MacFarlane's The Orville season 1 is going to be cut short
Only by one episode, though.

Someone re-post this on the TV forum thread, why we need two threads is another thing.

Why?
Because it's not Trek and people won't expect to find it here?

pah · 17-11-2017 12:28pm

Latest episode was pretty good. I actually thought it was one of the strongest scifi episodes I'd seen in a while........right up until the last 5 mins. I thought the episode would have been much stronger if there was

an evil or even mischievous entity at play rather that the old "it's all a simulation" gag

Goodshape · 17-11-2017 8:32pm

pah wrote: »

I thought the episode would have been much stronger if there was
an evil or even mischievous entity at play rather that the old "it's all a simulation" gag

I think that worked okay. I appreciated the character building of it and the nice "everybody has flaws" message to wrap things up.

Good episode!

TerrorFirmer · 21-11-2017 10:07pm

pah wrote: »

Latest episode was pretty good. I actually thought it was one of the strongest scifi episodes I'd seen in a while........right up until the last 5 mins. I thought the episode would have been much stronger if there was
an evil or even mischievous entity at play rather that the old "it's all a simulation" gag

I was thinking the exact same. Almost forgot I was watching The Orville until that reveal. Still a decent episode, but it cut a lot of weight loose with that revelation.

James Brown · 22-11-2017 4:31pm

It was very similar to the STNG episode were they traveled so far their thoughts began to manifest.
I like the use of humour now. Even in a darker story the odd quip in nicely placed. Nice to see the Doc.

silverharp · 24-11-2017 5:01pm

I don't know how Bortus keeps a straight face

seamus · 24-11-2017 5:06pm

I'm not crazy on Alara-heavy episodes. She's just such a terrible actress; real model-turned-actress overacting going on. Really breaks you out of it.

I hate being so critical, but I think the episodes do well in spite of her. Her strength is useful plot device, but as a character she adds nothing.

readyletsgo · 24-11-2017 5:18pm

seamus wrote: »

I'm not crazy on Alara-heavy episodes. She's just such a terrible actress; real model-turned-actress overacting going on. Really breaks you out of it.

I hate being so critical, but I think the episodes do well in spite of her. Her strength is useful plot device, but as a character she adds nothing.

Ah she's not the worst. She's playing an early 20s character finding her feet, so she comes across as anxious I guess.

She really reminds me of a good few characters from TNG to be fair. So, keeping with the original I guess.

Love the show. How are the ratings in the US? People watching it now?

24-11-2017 5:29pm

I've been thinking about Orville and I really just wish it could become its own thing and stand on its own feet. I really feel like it can't; each decent episode is heralded as being "Star Trek like". And I don't necessarily think that's a good thing.

Goodshape · 24-11-2017 5:39pm

I kinda like Star Trek like

Although I do agree really. Can't shake the feeling that they won't be getting away with this forever. Have they been confirmed for a second season yet? And is there a mid-season break coming up for Orville or anything like that?

// Edit:: It has been renewed for a second season. No lengthy mid-season break but there is no episode this week (Thanksgiving, I suppose) and only two more remaining in the season, which is 12 episodes total.

corkie · 24-11-2017 5:48pm

Goodshape wrote: »

// Edit:: It has been renewed for a second season. No lengthy mid-season break but there is no episode this week (Thanksgiving, I suppose) and only two more remaining in the season, which is 12 episodes total.

AMKC wrote: »

I see it has been renewed by Fox for a second season.

We have only six episodes left to watch of this season.

http://deadline.com/2017/11/the-orville-renewed-for-season-2-fox-seth-macfarlane-1202200369/

corkie wrote: »

Seth MacFarlane's The Orville season 1 is going to be cut short
Only by one episode, though.

.....

24-11-2017 5:58pm

Goodshape wrote: »

I kinda like Star Trek like

Although I do agree really. Can't shake the feeling that they won't be getting away with this forever. Have they been confirmed for a second season yet? And is there a mid-season break coming up for Orville or anything like that?

// Edit:: It has been renewed for a second season. No lengthy mid-season break but there is no episode this week (Thanksgiving, I suppose) and only two more remaining in the season, which is 12 episodes total.

The issue is that it has no defining characteristics of its own. It's just Star Trek... with jokes. That's it. I can imagine that only being fun for so long.

Avatar MIA · 24-11-2017 9:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I can imagine that only being fun for so long.

Star Trek without jokes seems to have done alright.

24-11-2017 11:05pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The issue is that it has no defining characteristics of its own. It's just Star Trek... with jokes. That's it. I can imagine that only being fun for so long.

Nah I can see it being the overt social commentary show which TNG often was.

It works because it's so light hearted, but it is better when lighthearted instead of moronic actions/jokes. Agree with you in that when it's like that it can get a bit thin.

Still think that all the "it's the real Trek show" proponents would absolutely rip it to shreds if it did have Star Trek in the title

AMKC · 25-11-2017 8:24pm

Goodshape wrote: »

I kinda like Star Trek like

Although I do agree really. Can't shake the feeling that they won't be getting away with this forever. Have they been confirmed for a second season yet? And is there a mid-season break coming up for Orville or anything like that?

// Edit:: It has been renewed for a second season. No lengthy mid-season break but there is no episode this week (Thanksgiving, I suppose) and only two more remaining in the season, which is 12 episodes total.

Delighted that there is no episode this week otherwise I would be two behind as still have last weeks episode to watch. Not having access to the net for a week did not help.

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah I can see it being the overt social commentary show which TNG often was.

It works because it's so light hearted, but it is better when lighthearted instead of moronic actions/jokes. Agree with you in that when it's like that it can get a bit thin.

Still think that all the "it's the real Trek show" proponents would absolutely rip it to shreds if it did have Star Trek in the title

If it was Star Trek I would not have a problem with it but the jokes would have to go. So it would basically be TNG but on a different ship and a in a different century.

So just watched last weeks episode. Have to say it was very good and I think Alara is a good character. Sure the end could maybe have been done different but I did not mind it. There is a message in it.

The Orville

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