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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭angeldelight


    Husbands flight Frankfurt to Dublin cancelled with AL. Quite frustrating as there’s plenty of flights operating


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,733 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Husbands flight Frankfurt to Dublin cancelled with AL. Quite frustrating as there’s plenty of flights operating
    I believe Frankfurt has a jetban. Meaning no flights after a certain time. EI may have cancelled to prevent their aircraft getting trapped overnight in Frankfurt.

    Or it could be just bad luck that they prioritised another flight over your husbands.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Tenger wrote: »
    Or it could be just bad luck that they prioritised another flight over your husbands.

    I'd personally think this is more likely, apparently an A320 doing line training in Shannon was recalled to Dublin for operational reasons (aka they needed the aircraft).


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,031 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    Loads of flights cancelled in Gatwick tonight, we were due out at 9.15pm (EI) but took off around midnight and got into Dublin after 1. We were "lucky", the 7pm flight from Gatwick to Dublin was cancelled, I'm thinking it was because by the time the incoming aircraft landed (several hours late from Dublin), the 7pm flight was already delayed over 3 hours so it was more cost effective to cancel theirs? Deicing queue in Gatwick was over 3 hours long so we were blessed to get on an aircraft that had just arrived and didn't need it.

    A lot of people sleeping in Dublin airport tonight


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    My 21.30 Ryanair flight from Gatwick to Dublin was cancelled last night, very frustrating as other flights were taking off and landing in Gatwick and Dublin. On the train to holyhead now. I presume I can claim back the hotel and train price? Pretty much every flight out of London to Dublin was booked up today


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,733 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Caranica wrote: »
    ..... Deicing queue in Gatwick was over 3 hours long so we were blessed to get on an aircraft that had just arrived and didn't need it. .....

    Bloody hell. I cant remember Dublin ever being that bad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,217 ✭✭✭Poochie05


    We were in a 1:30 min deicing queue at Dublin Airport yesterday afternoon until the pilot made the assessment that we didn't need it. Have to say he was great at keeping us informed on what was going on while we were all just sitting in our seats. Bonus was we got to see the rugby team arrive back while we were waiting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    That's some windshear at Shannon this morning.
    EINN WS WRNG 01 190700 VALID 190708/190908 WS IN APCH RWY24 REP AT 0708 B757 WS IN APCH RWY24 REP AT 0706 B757 ON APPROACH 1 MILE OUT +20KT AND -15KT=


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭martinsvi



    this is gold. Someone should pass this on to Ukrainian/Belorussian/Russian ATC, as they are frequently asking for the wx information aloft


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    What a complex TAF. Five windshifts in the next 24 hours.

    TAF EIDW 070500Z 0706/0806 32007KT 9999 SCT010 BKN025
    BECMG 0706/0709 28011KT
    TEMPO 0706/0712 4000 RA BKN010
    PROB40 TEMPO 0706/0711 3000 BKN006
    TEMPO 0712/0714 4000 -RA BKN010
    BECMG 0712/0715 25013KT
    TEMPO 0712/0718 27018G28KT
    TEMPO 0714/0717 -SHRA SCT018CB
    BECMG 0721/0723 21008KT
    BECMG 0800/0802 14012KT
    TEMPO 0801/0804 -SHRA SCT012 SCT018CB
    BECMG 0803/0805 21016KT

    Compare it to the 36-hour one for Praia (Cape Verde)...

    TAF GVNP 070500Z 0706/0812 03013KT 9999 FEW015


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    @gaoth laidir..... have you seen any indications that the ICTZ has moved further north this year? We are battling thunderstorms in Saudi on a daily basis, massive things up to 40000+, this certainly isn't a common annual event, but for the last couple of years it appears to be getting worse.

    Gone are the days of turning on the autopilot and falling asleep. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 168 ✭✭Brennus335


    smurfjed wrote: »
    @gaoth laidir..... have you seen any indications that the ICTZ has moved further north this year? We are battling thunderstorms in Saudi on a daily basis, massive things up to 40000+, this certainly isn't a common annual event, but for the last couple of years it appears to be getting worse.

    Gone are the days of turning on the autopilot and falling asleep. :)
    I've seen a few of those this year over Saudi.
    There's still the annual squall lines over the Gulf, which tend to be much larger. And then throw in the hassles of coordinating a deviation with Bahrain, Iranian Air Defence, and Tehran.... things get messy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    smurfjed wrote: »
    @gaoth laidir..... have you seen any indications that the ICTZ has moved further north this year? We are battling thunderstorms in Saudi on a daily basis, massive things up to 40000+, this certainly isn't a common annual event, but for the last couple of years it appears to be getting worse.

    Gone are the days of turning on the autopilot and falling asleep. :)

    I'm not sure what the reason could be. Possibly the particular ENSO/MJO combination, which can have effects at that latitude.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    I see Met Éireann's briefing now contains pseudo metars from all the stations (Athenry, Dunsany, etc.) not just the synoptic ones. I even see a SPECI from Custume Barracks in Athlone this morning!

    SPECI EIAC 150722Z AUTO 13017G30KT 9999 -RA BKN013/// OVC019/// 09/07 Q0996=


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    I wonder what effect the Australian heatwave is having on aviation? Nothing reported widely that I’ve seen yet but they’re pretty close to the temperatures that caused trouble in Phoenix recently. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/18/australia-heatwave-sydneys-west-to-hit-45c-after-week-of-extreme-weather


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,845 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Someone who is awake enough to do the calculations can see what variance in performance the 1000ft or so that PHX is higher than the main Australian airports. One issue with PHX in the past was that the performance charts for some aircraft didn't go high enough, which has since been rectified.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    L1011 wrote: »
    Someone who is awake enough to do the calculations can see what variance in performance the 1000ft or so that PHX is higher than the main Australian airports. One issue with PHX in the past was that the performance charts for some aircraft didn't go high enough, which has since been rectified.

    Ah, I didn’t cop that as the difference, thank you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Some Airbus Embraer Bombardier Douglas aircraft only had an environmental envelope that went to ISA+35 while Boeing used 39.5, so this resulted in limitations, I think that at this stage all of them have started using ISA+39


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    An interesting insight into the reasoning of an aviation forecaster as he/she writes the TAFs for the Houston/Galveston area. Was the "handcuff" comment put in there because it was Valentine's Day, I wonder!
    Beyond a FEW025 at IAH, most of the hints of an oncoming slide in flight conditions tonight have only materialized well to our east. High cirrus has hung tough, and as long as it does so, it appears that will hold degradation in conditions off. Still, that hint of MVFR at IAH indicates that this will be more of a delay, so I don't abandon the development of low clouds and/or fog just yet. I have tempered the intensity, keeping things more in the MVFR/IFR range, and only threatening LIFR or worse with sea fog at GLS. Should see a return to VFR towards mid-day as fog dissipates and clouds scatter.

    Hint at approaching weak boundary by shifting winds late at the northern terminals, but not much confidence in where the boundary will stall out. This will have significant impacts on the 12Z and later TAFs, so have chosen largely to punt on that in order to not handcuff later shifts.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Try landing at Bermuda airport during Hurricane Humberto last night.

    "Callsign 123, wind two six zero, seventy, gust greater than ninety nine knots...cleared to land..."

    SPECI TXKF 182331Z 26070GP99KT 0550 R12/0600N -SHRA BLPY OVC009TCU 22/21 Q0980 RMK TCU ALQDS=


  • Registered Users Posts: 401 ✭✭NH2013


    TAF EIDW 121700Z 1218/1318 21008KT 9999 SCT018
    BECMG 1222/1224 22013G23KT
    BECMG 1303/1305 19015G30KT
    BECMG 1307/1309 17026G42KT
    TEMPO 1311/1317 4000 RA BKN008
    BECMG 1313/1315 22025G55KT
    BECMG 1315/1317 22024G40KT

    Looks like we could be in for a very windy day in Dublin tomorrow, with that 220/25G55 between 13:00-15:00 looks likely airport operations may have to be suspended for a couple hours, that wind 60 degrees off both 28 and 16 gives a 48 knot crosswind component for both, well outside typical aircraft limits. And a BECMG as well for that wind, not even a TEMPO.

    Long delays likely earlier in the day with RWY 16 in use, sure to be plenty of go-arounds and diversions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Board Walker


    I Wonder if my 4pm ORK-LHR will go ahead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 705 ✭✭✭BZ


    Tomorrow morning showing gusts of 60knots at the majority of Irish airports between 6am and 10am. Could lead to some pretty challenging conditions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    EIDW WS WRNG 02 VALID 090919/091119 MOD WS IN APCH RWY28 REP AT 0920 b737800 ps 30kt at 1000ft 3mls out =


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,446 ✭✭✭weisses


    KLM flew a 747 back over the Atlantic faster then the speed of sound ...That is some jet stream


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    weisses wrote: »
    KLM flew a 747 back over the Atlantic faster then the speed of sound ...That is some jet stream

    But groundspeed, not airspeed. It was not supersonic, as I've seen some people claiming. Such groundspeeds are not that uncommon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    That said, there are a few mad newspaper articles popping up, they are breaking the subsonic records at the moment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 262 ✭✭PinOnTheRight


    That said, there are a few mad newspaper articles popping up, they are breaking the subsonic records at the moment.

    BA 747 JFK-LHR 4hrs56mins. Virgin 787 same route 4hrs 57 mins. Just a long Canaries :o


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 4,281 Mod ✭✭✭✭deconduo


    BA 747 JFK-LHR 4hrs56mins. Virgin 787 same route 4hrs 57 mins. Just a long Canaries :o

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0209/1114198-ba-record-fast-flight/

    Great photo from RTE of the 747 :pac:


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