Healthcare assistant jailed for 11 years for rape of woman with Alzheimer's

Spanish Eyes · 30-07-2020 8:26pm

Irishman80 wrote: »

The higher end of the scale in Ireland is life imprisonment. This scumbag will likely be out in 5 years.

Thanks, but that was not my point at all. Just look at the suspended sentences for sexual assault lately. Seems to me that some judges just don't think of the victims anymore now. That is traumatic for them, and the perpetrator walks off.

Irishman80 · 30-07-2020 8:42pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Thanks, but that was not my point at all. Just look at the suspended sentences for sexual assault lately. Seems to me that some judges just don't think of the victims anymore now. That is traumatic for them, and the perpetrator walks off.

We are talking about rape here. The average sentence for rape in this country is 10 years and rapists serve between 5-8 years of those sentences. There's nothing severe or harsh about an 11 year sentence for rape in this country.

The piece of s--t in this case should have received the 10 year maximum sentence for the sexual assault of a mentally impaired person BEFORE a rape charge was considered by the judge. Then, add a consecutive sentence of a minimum 15 years for the rape. And prepare an immediate deportation order for when the sentence is complete.

tayto lover · 30-07-2020 8:53pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

11 is mild - should have gotten longer.

And after that sentence is done drop him home to his own country from 30 thousand feet minus a parachute.

Spanish Eyes · 30-07-2020 9:26pm

Irishman80 wrote: »

We are talking about rape here. The average sentence for rape in this country is 10 years and rapists serve between 5-8 years of those sentences. There's nothing severe or harsh about an 11 year sentence for rape in this country.

The piece of s--t in this case should have received the 10 year maximum sentence for the sexual assault of a mentally impaired person BEFORE a rape charge was considered by the judge. Then, add a consecutive sentence of a minimum 15 years for the rape. And prepare an immediate deportation order for when the sentence is complete.

I agree, but many children have been sexually assaulted and from what I read recently there are plenty of suspended sentences, or two or three years in those cases.

The victims must be absolutely traumatised. Not only do they have to take their case to court, but they have to go home after the sentence knowing their abuser is scot free for the most part really.

Doesn't sit right with me anyway, and I reckon with most of us. Awful stuff.

UrbanSprawl · 30-07-2020 11:19pm

bertiebomber wrote: »

we really need to stop all this welcoming of migrants our government is flooding the place under the pretence of needing them in the work place if this is what they do in the workplace what do they do out side it? not to mention all the unemployed perverts who have come in here.

The irish people need to call them up on this and close our borders and do proper checking and vetting of the savages that are flying in her to plunder our welfare system i am sick of it and this case has turned my stomach.

Its the welfare system and many lazy Irish as well ,,I work in Nursing homes and hospitals and many foreigners are decent hard working ppl so calm the **** down please ..whats important to understand is we are not welcoming them they are coming welcome or not this is European freedom of movement in full swing sure be grand as long as the govt fill bank accounts with money

Gradius · 30-07-2020 11:44pm

Outrageous.

An elderly Irish woman, mentally impaired, having been born during the aftermath of world war 2, gets raped by some blow-in from a foreign country, while under the supposed care of a safe institution in which many of the staff are no doubt alien to her, during a fooking global pandemic caused by another country, so even more isolated and alone than ever.

Sounds like a living nightmare.

Eric Cartman · 31-07-2020 2:03am

The one saving grace is it wasnt judge martin nolan, the chap probably would have got a medal and a parade rather than 11 years

JP Liz V1 · 31-07-2020 2:08am

freshpopcorn wrote: »

If I had a family member in that home I’d be very concerned about what could have being going on with that guy there.

Yes has he done it to others there?

What a sick ba$tard, castration and to live in a pit for life

We need better stricter vetting coming into Ireland

Leg End Reject · 31-07-2020 2:09am

I think people are too focused on the nationality of the rapist.

Abuse is unfortunately not uncommon in care homes. There was a Prime Time Investigates special where both Irish care home and childcare workers were found to be abusing those in their care. Look at Jimmy Saville in the UK.

A radical overhaul is needed of these settings. They're now an industry in and of themselves and the bottom line is always to squeeze out as much profit as possible.

I have enormous sympathy for the lady and her family, I can't begin to imagine how I'd feel if that was my mother, nevermind me. It's upsetting to even think about it.

Eric Cartman · 31-07-2020 2:19am

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I think people are too focused on the nationality of the rapist.

Abuse is unfortunately not uncommon in care homes. There was a Prime Time Investigates special where both Irish care home and childcare workers were found to be abusing those in their care. Look at Jimmy Saville in the UK.

A radical overhaul is needed of these settings. They're now an industry in and of themselves and the bottom line is always to squeeze out as much profit as possible.

I have enormous sympathy for the lady and her family, I can't begin to imagine how I'd feel if that was my mother, nevermind me. It's upsetting to even think about it.

Nobody in this thread is blaming this sickos nationality, but most, realising he is not an irish citizen is asking for this degenerate criminal to be deported to his home country so we are not burdened by the presence or expense of dealing with this animal which is very fair

Dave147 · 31-07-2020 2:22am

Her daughter told the Central Criminal Court: "We always said we will dread the day she loses her memory but now one day we hope she wakes up and doesn't remember".

Jesus, that hit like a ton of bricks. Can't even imagine the pain this has caused, I'm not sure if I want him deported where he'll be a free man or locked up here...

jolter · 31-07-2020 4:22am

What a horrible bastard

Jeju · 31-07-2020 8:29am

In a case like this is the police force of his home nation informed of the offence in case he has committed similar there?

suicide_circus · 31-07-2020 9:00am

suicide_circus wrote: »

the children should not pay for the crimes of the father

Eric Cartman wrote: »

And the welfare state shouldnt have to pay to support the children of a man who is in prison and those kids arent irish citizens

suicide_circus wrote: »

do you know that the kids arent citizens?

still waiting for an answer.

walshb · 31-07-2020 9:03am

Horrendous crime...

Man had no previous convictions either....odd. None that are reported, anyway

I wonder what age group he is........

Poor woman.....devastating thing to happen.

walshb · 31-07-2020 9:05am

Danzy wrote: »

Given the severity of his crime, why isn't he on a plane out of here, back home.

Has it been established that he is not an Irish citizen, and can be deported?

walshb · 31-07-2020 9:06am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

11 is mild - should have gotten longer.

In Ireland this sentence is not at all mild

And this is the effing problem....

Murple · 31-07-2020 9:08am

walshb wrote: »

Horrendous crime...

Man had no previous convictions either....odd. None that are reported, anyway

I wonder what age group he is........

Poor woman.....devastating thing to happen.

He’s in his 50s.
I’m sure the inmates of the prison he goes to will look after him very well when they hear what he’s in for.

walshb · 31-07-2020 9:10am

Murple wrote: »

He’s in his 50s.
I’m sure the inmates of the prison he goes to will look after him very well when they hear what he’s in for.

Thanks.

This is a myth...

These prisoners are well protected inside....the man will be housed with similar type criminals. It is the duty of the state to ensure prisoners are kept as safe as possible whilst inside..

paw patrol · 31-07-2020 9:17am

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I think people are too focused on the nationality of the rapist.

I see your point but I don't agree. Yes of course the main fact should be the rape and given the circumstances it was a horrible betrayal of trust - not one person doesn't understand that.

But there is the foreign element, he has come here to benefit from our society build by us and our families. And has repaid the Irish nation like this. That's an extra kick in the stones.

I'd deported all foreign rapists, I can't deport the Irish ones for obvious reasons but don't think I hold them in any better regard.

Eric Cartman · 31-07-2020 10:08am

suicide_circus wrote: »

still waiting for an answer.

well as we had a referendum in 2004 to stop automatic citizenship, as he himself is not a citizen, lets call it 'the most likely option'

Brendog · 31-07-2020 10:14am

This kind of thing is not a spur of the moment action.
I'm sure hes done this before but this is the time hes been caught.

walshb · 31-07-2020 10:26am

Brendog wrote: »

This kind of thing is not a spur of the moment action.
I'm sure hes done this before but this is the time hes been caught.

I am kind of thinking the same thing

Seems odd that he gets to 52 and suddenly does something so "out of character" if he has never done anything at all similar....

MrsBean · 31-07-2020 10:33am

walshb wrote: »

Has it been established that he is not an Irish citizen, and can be deported?

Where has it been established that he's not an Irish citizen? A lot of guess-work going on in this thread. Is it the fact that he has a 'Nigerian' name in a BBC article? The article gives no details as to his heritage or his citizenship which he could have acquired.
It is being assumed that he is not an Irish citizen.

eviltwin · 31-07-2020 10:36am

walshb wrote: »

I am kind of thinking the same thing

Seems odd that he gets to 52 and suddenly does something so "out of character" if he has never done anything at all similar....

It might explain why he works in the industry he does. Easy access to victims unable to fight back and often unable to verbalise what happened

suicide_circus · 31-07-2020 10:49am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

well as we had a referendum in 2004 to stop automatic citizenship, as he himself is not a citizen, lets call it 'the most likely option'

well either way, punishing the kids for their father's sins seems pretty medieval to me. Deport him by all means however.

Bobblehats · 31-07-2020 11:18am

MrsBean wrote: »

It is being assumed that he is not an Irish citizen.

Safe to assume he’s not irish anyway

And he’s not a man either. Get him OUT

JustAThought · 31-07-2020 11:20am

Wehad an elderly vulnerable relative in a nursing hime who repeatedly said a naked man was coming into their room at night. We got zero traction fromtje ( hostile & foreign) nursing staff who laughed it off nor from the head of nursing who when threatened with legal action suddenly moved job - then the ‘GDPR’ excuses of not discussing patients with others or family members was trotted out -then lockdown.

Nobody has said where this monster worked for the 14 years nor what nursing home he was convicted from. I’d be extremely interested in knowing.

Sex predatorspick environments snd people who they know they have greater chance of abusing and getting away with.

And we all know tje ‘self declaration’ of addresses and international vetting based on honesty is mostly worthless.

Where was this sec predator working in North County Dublin?

walshb · 31-07-2020 12:28pm

MrsBean wrote: »

Where has it been established that he's not an Irish citizen? A lot of guess-work going on in this thread. Is it the fact that he has a 'Nigerian' name in a BBC article? The article gives no details as to his heritage or his citizenship which he could have acquired.
It is being assumed that he is not an Irish citizen.

I am asking the same...

Be right back · 31-07-2020 12:32pm

Brendog wrote: »

This kind of thing is not a spur of the moment action.
I'm sure hes done this before but this is the time hes been caught.

Thankfully he was caught on CCTV entering and leaving her room.

KrustyUCC · 31-07-2020 12:38pm

He was denying it until his DNA caught him according to the BBC article

MFPM · 31-07-2020 12:38pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I think people are too focused on the nationality of the rapist.

Abuse is unfortunately not uncommon in care homes. There was a Prime Time Investigates special where both Irish care home and childcare workers were found to be abusing those in their care. Look at Jimmy Saville in the UK.

A radical overhaul is needed of these settings. They're now an industry in and of themselves and the bottom line is always to squeeze out as much profit as possible.

I have enormous sympathy for the lady and her family, I can't begin to imagine how I'd feel if that was my mother, nevermind me. It's upsetting to even think about it.

I think people are too focused on the nationality of the rapist.

Par for the course unfortunately...insidious racism.

walshb · 31-07-2020 12:41pm

MFPM wrote: »

Par for the course unfortunately...insidious racism.

Not even racsim...just human nature, People are tribal, societal, nationalistic.....ALL of us, everywhere. It's completely natural to think and wonder and ask....no different if it happened in any other country....

walshb · 31-07-2020 12:43pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

He was denying it until his DNA caught him according to the BBC article

I was a little surprised how quickly this has been dealt with, even with the guilty plea. He committed the crime in April and here we are a few months later with a conviction; and during covid, which has hampered everything.

I guess swift justice does exist at times.

MFPM · 31-07-2020 12:47pm

walshb wrote: »

Not even racsim...just human nature, People are tribal, societal, nationalistic.....ALL of us, everywhere. It's completely natural to think and wonder and ask....no different if it happened in any other country....

I disagree. Crimes committed by non-Irish nationals are continually used by by groups and individuals to propagate against migrants/asylum seekers etc.

This man committed an appalling act and he will now rightly pay a heavy price, his nationality and citizenship status are broadly irrelevant.

walshb · 31-07-2020 12:53pm

MFPM wrote: »

I disagree. Crimes committed by non-Irish nationals are continually used by by groups and individuals to propagate against migrants/asylum seekers etc.

This man committed an appalling act and he will now rightly pay a heavy price, his nationality and citizenship status is irrelevant.

I am not saying some people won't use his nationality in the racist sense....

I am saying that it's very natural to ask, wonder, question.......I would....

Nothing to do with racism....

I actually said before I knew his name "bet it was a foreigner." I had a feeling.....

I was thinking Eastern European or African...

MFPM · 31-07-2020 1:02pm

walshb wrote: »

I am not saying some people won't use his nationality in the racist sense....

I am saying that it's very natural to ask, wonder, question.......I would....

Nothing to do with racism....

I actually said before I knew his name "bet it was a foreigner." I had a feeling.....

I was thinking Eastern European or African...

Why on earth would that be your starting point?

walshb · 31-07-2020 1:19pm

MFPM wrote: »

Why on earth would that be your starting point?

Who said it was my staring point?

I just said it when I heard it...heard the details of it, and thought, bet this was a non Irish national.

I had a hunch....you never have a hunch before?

I have said it about many other crimes and incidents, and been right a lot of the time....

Certain types crimes/incidents that happen here I have a feeling on.....the country is now quite diverse...

And with next to no actual criminal checks being done, who knows what we are importing.....

Darthvadar · 31-07-2020 1:31pm

Would be interesting to know which home(s) this person worked in. I wonder if concerns were raised before but brushed under the carpet to protect the reputation of the establishment.

I lost my darling mum to kidney failure and Parkinson's, and during her final hospital admission, a nursing home was on the cards. I was insisting on a single room, because I was going to have the room fitted with cameras to keep an eye on her. I had huge concerns even then.

Now with the Covid situation, anybody who wants to ill treat a vulnerable person, particularly someone with limited capacity has free reign. No family/friends visits. I was told by a person running a nursing home to visit Mum on different days, different times, and have other people visit to 'mix things up', and keep an eye on her. Thankfully, as she died it didn't come to that.

My first two thoughts when Covid kicked off were 1. Thank God Mum's gone, and 2. There'll be abuses of our vulnerable people.

Thinking of anyone who has a loved one in a nursing home right now. I hope the person is being well taken care of. And those who are decent, caring and honourable folk who work in our nursing homes, thank you for your care.

Darth.

MFPM · 31-07-2020 1:31pm

walshb wrote: »

Who said it was my staring point?

I just said it when I heard it...heard the details of it, and thought, bet this was a non Irish national.

I had a hunch....you never have a hunch before?

I have said it about many other crimes and incidents, and been right a lot of the time....

Certain types crimes/incidents that happen here I have a feeling on.....the country is now quite diverse...

And with next to no actual criminal checks being done, who knows what we are importing.....

Who said it was my staring point?

You did!....

I actually said before I knew his name "bet it was a foreigner."

and thought, bet this was a non Irish national.

I had a hunch....you never have a hunch before?

But why would you have a hunch in this direction...I tend to wait until I know facts, perhaps if I hear of a shooting somewhere, my instinct is gangland but there is a logic to that based on the strong link between gun crime and gangland activity, there is no logic to your 'hunch'.

Certain types crimes/incidents that happen here I have a feeling on.....the country is now quite diverse...

There's an implication in this statement that you believe 'certain types of crimes' are committed by non Irish nationals, what evidence do you have to make that assessment?

And with next to no actual criminal checks being done, who knows what we are importing....

Ah, you're revealing more and more here....'importing' is an interesting phrase to use.

Overheal · 31-07-2020 1:49pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Just to be clear -

I started the thread because I thought the Judge deserved credit for the sentence he handed down in this particular case, as all too often complaints are made that sentencing for these types of crimes is considered too lenient.

When I started the thread, there was no mention of the perpetrators name in the article I quoted from the RTÉ website. My intent in starting the thread wasn’t just to fuel more shìte talk about migrants. There’s enough of those types of threads in CA already.

As an example of more Judges deserving credit where it’s due for sentencing for this type of crime, there’s another case today in the news where the perpetrator is appealing the length of his sentence where he was sentenced to 14 years -

Rapist Patrick Nevin appeals severity of 14-year sentence, DPP counter appeals

No bollocks talk about “sending him home”, because you can’t. Send him to hell for all I care. I don’t care whether or not the perpetrator in the case I started this thread with is or isn’t a migrant either. He could just as easily be born and bred Irish for all anyone knows or cares. I certainly didn’t care who or where he was from at the time when I made the thread and there was no mention of his name.

The more pertinent fact was that he committed a despicable act against another human being and was handed what I thought was a fair and appropriate sentence, although I do accept it’s a fair point that he should have gotten a longer sentence in this case. The point was more so that all too often Judges are perceived to hand down lenient sentences, and this one deserved to be highlighted and the Judge given credit for the length of the sentence in this particular case.

Well said OP. Regrettably it’s turned into yet another xenophobia thread as a result, no fault of your own.

thegetawaycar · 31-07-2020 2:03pm

Can the discussion on racism posts be removed?

Personally I would only have 1 reason for wanting to know if this person was Irish or not and that would be to know that he could be deported away from Ireland post incarceration and to have 1 less scumbag on our shores.

A horrible crime for anyone to commit and on some of the most vulnerable in our community, it's already a huge cause of angst moving a beloved family member from their home to a care facility, knowing stuff like this happens makes it even worse.

I feel sorry for his wife and kids knowing their father/husband is a complete low-life, vile human being who had no remorse and only plead guilty when DNA had already proved it.

My heart goes out to the victim and their family.

Ash.J.Williams · 31-07-2020 2:09pm

this was done so easily i would definitely look at his work history and see could he have done this before.

Odhinn · 31-07-2020 2:23pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

well as we had a referendum in 2004 to stop automatic citizenship, as he himself is not a citizen, lets call it 'the most likely option'

How do you know hes not a citizen?

walshb · 31-07-2020 2:39pm

MFPM wrote: »

Ah, you're revealing more and more here....'importing' is an interesting phrase to use.

Revealing nothing, although you seem to be searching

Bringing in, importing, allowing in....use whatever phrase you want....

A whole lot of people entering this country that are not Irish nationals we know little about.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 31-07-2020 2:45pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

well as we had a referendum in 2004 to stop automatic citizenship, as he himself is not a citizen, lets call it 'the most likely option'

He could be a naturalised citizen and his children could have been born after that point. We can take from the article that he has been in Ireland for 15 years, plenty of time to earn citizenship.

Anyhoo, very odd to think that his children should be punished for his crimes.

joseywhales · 31-07-2020 2:50pm

Is it not a healthier discussion for everyone to figure out better protections for the elderly, they are some of the easiest targets and unfortunately receive less protection than children. Would a situation where two carers must be present in any bedroom/bathroom or other private situation? Would surely severely reduce the risk.

I can see the increased cost, it is at least a stick to force total transparency from the nursing home sector

Overheal · 31-07-2020 2:52pm

Can we just simply commiserate how awful the crime itself is without all the dropping him out of a plane type stuff? That cup is not in need of filling. Besides if there is so little regard for the foreign nationality what regard is there for the foreign nation to properly exact justice for the crime committed in Ireland? Leave it out IMHO. Move forward: perhaps some more legally ordained oversight of nursing and hospice facilities should be campaigned for, awareness of these dangers, heck even where to buy cameras to protect your loved ones and the myriad of ways to hide them for their safety and to keep staff everywhere at least suspicious that a few people more than Jesus will be watching them if they think about abusing patients.

Liamo57 · 31-07-2020 2:58pm

His family should not have to suffer because of his crime although they will have to live with this for the rest of their lives also. Nevin will get out eventually, go back to the Halting site he came from and continue to claim Jobseekers Allowance.

padd b1975 · 31-07-2020 4:08pm

That dangerous bint "Dr" Ebun Joseph has weighed in.

He "took advantage of her" is the synopsis.

She's rightly getting her hole kicked on twitter.

Healthcare assistant jailed for 11 years for rape of woman with Alzheimer's

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