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Advice: Become a teacher

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  • #102
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    kippy wrote: »
    Sure were't we all kids once.

    Kids think being an astronaut was a realistic and handy profession.
    Everyone thinks teaching is a handy number yet for some reason, I don't see everyone actually wanting to be a teacher.

    Did you even read my OP?

    When you're 17 in school no one tells you these things. No one tells you all the holidays and short working hours teachers have.

    You don't have any worries or responsibilities in school to think of these things.

    As for switching, I have spent the last 6 or 7 years working in private sector building up salary so it would cost 2 years salary, cost of college and then starting from the bottom. You're talking probably a missed earning potential of 300k over the course of a career.


  • #103
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I went through a tough personal time a few years ago (well documented on this site), and going into a classroom and having to be "on" was an absolute killer. I was crying out for my old job just so people wouldn't be looking at me for hours every day while seeing my stress and unhappy face that I couldn't hide.

    You're an actor basically. You have to pretend non-stop.

    What was your old job?

    Again, from my experiences this is not true.

    I was in school and teachers regularly left the room for 10 minutes at a time, to go to the printer or toilet or go speak to another teacher, go get some markers etc.

    BTW if you're having a tough personal time most private sector jobs would be the same, you're interacting with people etc. I believe you're in IT which is different because many can just work remotely and never have to speak to anyone.


  • #104
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    99problems1 wrote: »
    Did you even read my OP?

    When you're 17 in school no one tells you these things. No one tells you all the holidays and short working hours teachers have.

    You don't have any worries or responsibilities in school to think of these things.

    As for switching, I have spent the last 6 or 7 years working in private sector building up salary so it would cost 2 years salary, cost of college and then starting from the bottom. You're talking probably a missed earning potential of 300k over the course of a career.

    If you deem your current career to be a better option, that says it all really.


  • #105
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    kippy wrote: »
    If you deem your current career to be a better option, that says it all really.

    Being 7 years into it, the monetary loss to switch is too much.

    If starting out it's a no contest.


  • #106
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,024 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    99problems1 wrote: »
    When you're 17 in school no one tells you these things. No one tells you all the holidays and short working hours teachers have.

    Where did you think they went when you were off school??

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • #107
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    endacl wrote: »
    Plus a two year postgraduate qualification to level 9.

    A newly qualified teacher these days has spent at least 5 years (more likely 6] working towards the qualification.

    Fair enough; teaching still represents a better-paid job, with better conditions, option than most jobs that one would typically get with a MA in a humanities subject.


  • #108
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Do what. I don’t teach.

    Read what you wrote.


  • #109
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    Where did you think they went when you were off school??

    17 year olds don't think of these things. Kids have no worries. Salaries aren't even mentioned in school.


  • #110
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    99problems1 wrote: »
    Being 7 years into it, the monetary loss to switch is too much.

    If starting out it's a no contest.

    Of course it's a contest - people do it all the time.
    Why wouldn't you do it not - if its such a dream job.
    You're talking absolute nonsense.

    I'd say you're on far more than the vast majority of teachers 7 years into the job.


  • #111
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    kippy wrote: »
    Of course it's a contest - people do it all the time.
    Why wouldn't you do it not - if its such a dream job.
    You're talking absolute nonsense.

    I'd say you're on far more than the vast majority of teachers 7 years into the job.

    I'm on average industrial wage.


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  • #112
    elefant
    Registered Users Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭elefant


    99problems1 wrote: »
    17 year olds don't think of these things. Kids have no worries. Salaries aren't even mentioned in school.

    Ah here, what sort of cosseted child hasn't started to think about job salaries by 17 years old?


  • #113
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    99problems1 wrote: »
    I'm on average industrial wage.

    39-40 odd K a year?
    That's a no brainer then, go back teaching.


  • #114
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,741 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    99problems1 wrote: »
    I'm on average industrial wage.

    Average earnings in industry, incl. overtime and bonuses, is 912.78 pw, or 47,465 pa.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/elcq/earningsandlabourcostsq12019finalq22019preliminaryestimates/


  • #115
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    kippy wrote: »
    39-40 odd K a year?
    That's a no brainer then, go back teaching.

    2 years of no salary plus 8-10k per year probably. Plus missing out on the natural salary progression from my current position.


  • #116
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    Geuze wrote: »
    Average earnings in industry, incl. overtime and bonuses, is 912.78 pw, or 47,465 pa.

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/elcq/earningsandlabourcostsq12019finalq22019preliminaryestimates/

    https://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales-and-qualification-allowances/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-january-2011/

    Yes.

    Add in the allowances for teachers, supervision money etc and they earn more.


  • #117
    MrMiata
    Closed Accounts Posts: 393 ✭✭MrMiata


    I'm actually going back to college with the intention of teaching English and Business..
    It's a BA in English & Drama as my major with a double minor in Marketing and Management. I've 1 years worth of exemptions from a previous year passed in a business degree, so as far as I'm aware I meet the requirements.
    If not I'll do a course to make up the difference.

    It hit me while helping my sister with her English homework that I really want to teach.

    It's supposedly anything but easy for newly qualified teachers but it'll be worth it in the end.


  • #118
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    MrMiata wrote: »
    I'm actually going back to college with the intention of teaching English and Business..
    It's a BA in English & Drama as my major with a double minor in Marketing and Management. I've 1 years worth of exemptions from a previous year passed in a business degree, so as far as I'm aware I meet the requirements.
    If not I'll do a course to make up the difference.

    It hit me while helping my sister with her English homework that I really want to teach.

    It's supposedly anything but easy for newly qualified teachers but it'll be worth it in the end.

    Another example of teachers thinking they have it hard.

    They think other grads don't have a problem getting jobs.


  • #119
    MrMiata
    Closed Accounts Posts: 393 ✭✭MrMiata


    99problems1 wrote: »
    Another example of teachers thinking they have it hard.

    They think other grads don't have a problem getting jobs.

    No, I said newly qualified teachers can have a hard time getting jobs, there's no mention of any other career having a hard time finding work.

    Teachers can and do have a hard time finding work, that's not to say others don't.


  • #120
    Rega
    Registered Users Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Rega


    99problems1 wrote: »
    https://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales-and-qualification-allowances/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-january-2011/

    Yes.

    Add in the allowances for teachers, supervision money etc and they earn more.

    What supervision money?


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  • #121
    shesty
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Don't be a teacher if you are just doing it for the "easy" hours and the holidays.

    As the child of a teacher, I would say it has it's downfalls, same as any other job.It has great holidays sure, but limited flexibility, especially when you have kids of your own.Personally I prefer the day to day, all year round, flexibility of my own non-teaching job.

    But teachers moaning about going back to work after their holidays really annoys me (and my teacher parent, to be fair, never said a word about that.)It's a perk of your job, the rest of the world survives without, 8-12 weeks holidays a year, get on with it.


  • #122
    shesty
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    99problems1 wrote: »
    What was your old job?

    Again, from my experiences this is not true.

    I was in school and teachers regularly left the room for 10 minutes at a time, to go to the printer or toilet or go speak to another teacher, go get some markers etc.

    BTW if you're having a tough personal time most private sector jobs would be the same, you're interacting with people etc. I believe you're in IT which is different because many can just work remotely and never have to speak to anyone.

    This post right here illustrates the problem with teaching.Everyone thinks they know all about it because sure we all went to school, right??

    Wrong.

    Myself, I can barely handle my own kids first thing in the morning, I am not silly enough to think I can (or want to) be handling thirty of someone else's kids.It's a good career if you really want to be a teacher.If you just want holidays, then don't do it.


  • #123
    alroley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    99problems1 wrote: »
    https://www.asti.ie/pay-and-conditions/pay/salary-scales-and-qualification-allowances/salary-scale-for-teachers-appointed-after-january-2011/

    Yes.

    Add in the allowances for teachers, supervision money etc and they earn more.

    Supervision money? We do that for free.

    Also, allowances were gotten rid of for those that entered in the last few years.


  • #124
    thesimpsons
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭thesimpsons


    I occasionally read that fb page someone referenced earlier - Voice for Teachers. I am constantly amused by the comment that no other profession would put up with things they have to. A lot of teachers don't seem to be aware that many other newly qualified graduates don't get jobs straight from college in their chosen profession, (and definitely not at 35k), only get contracts with little or no rights, get paid less than the people they are working alongside, have stressful situations all day long, etc - thats the same for many jobs. Teachers talk about sending out 30/40/50 cvs job hunting, etc - thats the same for many job hunters. Many seem to have little awareness of how much taxes are correct, can't read payslips, quote their salaries in net. I have no problem with any worker not knowing about other professions but the "no other profession would put up with it" just to me shows immaturity and misunderstanding of all other jobs which make the world go round.


  • #125
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    alroley wrote: »
    Supervision money? We do that for free.

    More lies.

    Teachers can earn even more by supervising exams and then more again on corrections.


  • #126
    alroley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    salonfire wrote: »
    More lies.

    Teachers can earn even more by supervising exams and then more again on corrections.

    I thought the comment meant supervision of other teachers classes when they are on trips, sick etc. That's for free.


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  • #127
    Inspector Coptoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Secondary school teachers work 114 days a year. Not a bad deal if you love your job.

    Completely made up fabrication.
    It’s 167 days plus an extra 33 hours of Croke Park meetings, 43 hours S&S and another 10 hours of meetings as well.


  • #128
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shesty wrote: »
    Don't be a teacher if you are just doing it for the "easy" hours and the holidays.
    I disagree. I'm playing devil's advocate here, but with a real example


    My Mum was a a really good secondary school teacher; she taught Maths and PE (nerds and the sporty kids didn't know whether to love or hate her) who subscribed to the three traditional reasons for pursuing that career: June, July and August. Genuinely, she was really cynical about the job, but did it well.

    She was a popular and (bias aside) a very good teacher. Just because you're using a career for the pension, or the holidays, doesn't mean you can't be really talented at what you do.

    I don't subscribe to this idea that vocation is all-important. My Mum knew how to teach, and she did it well. I know other people who are brilliant business-people, but would rather teach yoga.

    We seem to be trying to convince ourselves that vocation is all-important. I disagree. Talent matters, and if your talent matches your vocation, then well done. But for most of us, it doesn't.

    Most of us do a good job without loving our jobs, or our employers. A good teacher isn't necessarily after a vocation. If they're very talented, and they can do the job well, that ought to be sufficient.


  • #129
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    I agree with OP. Teaching has struck me as the absolute easiest and most satisfying job in existence.

    Imagine being a French teacher. The only skill you need to have in your entire working life is the ability to speak French. And many French words are practically English to begin with. I mean it would be pretty funny if there was a French teacher who couldn't speak French very well (I once had a math teacher who was terrible at Junior Cert math). Basically all you have to do is avoid the temptation of having sex with the pupils and you're good.

    They get to put on a bit of a show every day in front of a live audience - that's bound to help their oratory skills, their speaking confidence, their ability to take control of a situation and ultimately their social skills. Kids are very sharp, especially when they reach that age of 14+. They're just lacking in some experience.

    What better satisfaction, especially for people with a big ego, than to preach a lot of your life values and opinions to this small crowd of people who are open ears and listening? You are a big part of their world. If you speak to a group of adults they're going to be a lot more cynical and resistant to changing their world view based on what you say.


  • #130
    poisonated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭poisonated


    I would like to be a teacher. I’d earn more and would have better holidays than I do now.


  • #131
    James Bond Junior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    poisonated wrote: »
    I would like to be a teacher. I’d earn more and would have better holidays than I do now.

    Then why don't you? You had the same options at CAO time as everybody else.


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  • #132
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭Treppen


    thesimpsons wrote: »
    I occasionally read that fb page someone referenced earlier - Voice for Teachers. I am constantly amused by the comment that no other profession would put up with things they have to. A lot of teachers don't seem to be aware that many other newly qualified graduates don't get jobs straight from college in their chosen profession, (and definitely not at 35k), only get contracts with little or no rights, get paid less than the people they are working alongside, have stressful situations all day long, etc - thats the same for many jobs. Teachers talk about sending out 30/40/50 cvs job hunting, etc - thats the same for many job hunters. Many seem to have little awareness of how much taxes are correct, can't read payslips, quote their salaries in net. I have no problem with any worker not knowing about other professions but the "no other profession would put up with it" just to me shows immaturity and misunderstanding of all other jobs which make the world go round.

    Where are those teaching jobs for 35k?
    I'm on educationposts.ie right now looking in the secondary section.... Help?


  • #133
    monkeysnapper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭monkeysnapper


    Edgware wrote: »
    Don't forget the grinds. Money in to the hand

    This........

    I know a teacher that does grinds in evenings ...making a packet and fair play to her .... then during summer months works in an outdoor centre ....

    Life is what you make it folks ....


  • #134
    Treppen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭Treppen


    salonfire wrote: »
    More lies.

    Teachers can earn even more by supervising exams and then more again on corrections.

    Work more get paid more. The injustice of it.


  • #135
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    James Bond Junior wrote: »
    Then why don't you? You had the same options at CAO time as everybody else.

    Because teachers had their own state run progranda machine in RTE bemoaning their plight multiple times through the year. School kids listening to this did not know any better and there was no way of exposing the lies.

    Only these days when everyone has internet we can look up the actual salaries and shopping list of allowances that make legacy teachers at least far better paid than they let on.


  • #136
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    MrMiata wrote: »
    No, I said newly qualified teachers can have a hard time getting jobs, there's no mention of any other career having a hard time finding work.

    Teachers can and do have a hard time finding work, that's not to say others don't.

    Yeah and newly qualified scientists, engineers all have the same problems.


  • #137
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    shesty wrote: »
    This post right here illustrates the problem with teaching.Everyone thinks they know all about it because sure we all went to school, right??

    Wrong.

    Myself, I can barely handle my own kids first thing in the morning, I am not silly enough to think I can (or want to) be handling thirty of someone else's kids.It's a good career if you really want to be a teacher.If you just want holidays, then don't do it.

    I've given you multiple sources of information, from going to school, from having friends of friends who are teachers, from work colleagues partners being teachers, to seeing teachers on facebook comment on public groups.

    How many kids do pre school teachers handle by the way? Yet they're on **** money and not held in the high social status like teachers are.


  • #138
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    thesimpsons wrote: »
    I occasionally read that fb page someone referenced earlier - Voice for Teachers. I am constantly amused by the comment that no other profession would put up with things they have to. A lot of teachers don't seem to be aware that many other newly qualified graduates don't get jobs straight from college in their chosen profession, (and definitely not at 35k), only get contracts with little or no rights, get paid less than the people they are working alongside, have stressful situations all day long, etc - thats the same for many jobs. Teachers talk about sending out 30/40/50 cvs job hunting, etc - thats the same for many job hunters. Many seem to have little awareness of how much taxes are correct, can't read payslips, quote their salaries in net. I have no problem with any worker not knowing about other professions but the "no other profession would put up with it" just to me shows immaturity and misunderstanding of all other jobs which make the world go round.

    Exactly. Teachers should be forced to work in the real world for a number of years. Most of them spend all their life in academia where they're sheltered from the cut and thrust professional world. Like ffs they get guaranteed increases every year.


  • #139
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    Inspector Coptoor wrote: »
    Completely made up fabrication.
    It’s 167 days plus an extra 33 hours of Croke Park meetings, 43 hours S&S and another 10 hours of meetings as well.

    And take out your 3 training days you can do while browsing online? :)


  • #140
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    And do you ever notice a lot of politicians are teachers? Ever notice a lot of these cottage industry type things on facebook like "fairy doors" or "personalised picture frames" are done by teachers?

    Because they have so much free time to spend time on these things.


  • #141
    mariaalice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,619 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    99problems1 wrote: »
    And do you ever notice a lot of politicians are teachers? Ever notice a lot of these cottage industry type things on facebook like "fairy doors" or "personalised picture frames" are done by teachers?

    Because they have so much free time to spend time on these things.

    You are getting a little obsessed with teachers at this stage.


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  • #142
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    99problems1 wrote: »
    Exactly. Teachers should be forced to work in the real world for a number of years. Most of them spend all their life in academia where they're sheltered from the cut and thrust professional world. Like ffs they get guaranteed increases every year.

    Most civil servants do.

    I would say that most jobs are easier than bring a teacher. Except for the holidays it doesn’t appeal to me at all.


  • #143
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    mariaalice wrote: »
    You are getting a little obsessed with teachers at this stage.

    Where else is the balance to teachers propaganda apart from forums such as this? Or are we to take the whooping and howling every Easter as a reflection of their work conditions?


  • #144
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Most civil servants do.

    I would say that most jobs are easier than bring a teacher. Except for the holidays it doesn’t appeal to me at all.

    You're barely in school long enough to dislike it.

    You're just back and in 5 or 6 weeks you have a week off. Then you have 6 or 7 weeks off until Christmas break for over 2 weeks.


  • #145
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    99problems1 and others, read my thread from over a decade ago complaining about teachers.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055466794

    Then I actually became a teacher and realised I was talking complete and utter nonsense. I don't hold it against ye or anything since I was the exact same.


  • #146
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    mariaalice wrote: »
    You are getting a little obsessed with teachers at this stage.

    Was wondering how long it would take for the personal insults to start. Typical behaviour of a teacher though.


  • #147
    99problems1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 391 ✭✭99problems1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    99problems1 and others, read my thread from over a decade ago complaining about teachers.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055466794

    Then I actually became a teacher and realised I was talking complete and utter nonsense. I don't hold it against ye or anything since I was the exact same.

    Where did you teach?


  • #148
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    99problems1 wrote: »
    You're barely in school long enough to dislike it.

    You're just back and in 5 or 6 weeks you have a week off. Then you have 6 or 7 weeks off until Christmas break for over 2 weeks.

    Who is the “you”. I’m not a teacher. Fanatics like you assume we all hate teachers but we don’t. It’s a hard job.

    If you like it so much. Get a degree. And do it.


  • #149
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,783 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    99problems1 wrote: »
    Exactly. Teachers should be forced to work in the real world for a number of years. Most of them spend all their life in academia where they're sheltered from the cut and thrust professional world. Like ffs they get guaranteed increases every year.

    I think everyone should be forced to work as a primay teacher for a couple of weeks and a secondary teacher for a few more weeks.
    Then every professional, including teachers, should be made work in blocklaying, labouring or some other "heavy work" that would make them all appreciate the jobs that they have.


  • #150
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    99problems1 wrote: »
    Where did you teach?

    Asia, where it's far easier than back home. Lots of qualified teachers living out here who hate Ireland and the UK for teaching and have to leave.


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  • #151
    mariaalice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,619 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    salonfire wrote: »
    Where else is the balance to teachers propaganda apart from forums such as this? Or are we to take the whooping and howling every Easter as a reflection of their work conditions?

    Its not a balance thing the vast majority of other people jobs and occupations have no affect on me, teachers included so the obsession with the teachers by the op is ridiculous. I get how annoying self-absorbed always moaning teachers are but so what there are peopel in every profession like that.

    The op is stalking a teacher discussion site and posting dozens of posts about teachers a lot of which seem to be full of rage.


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