Stephen King's It

The Specialist · 15-08-2017 1:17pm

Tony EH wrote: »

True. But, I just don't feel anything for it at the moment.

I'm of the same view as you, the makeup in this one just doesn't exude any sort of creepiness - it's too tryhard? A similar problem happened with the Nightmare on Elm Street reboot a few years back - taking the appearance of an iconic character and altering it just because you can is a bad move, you remove the essence of what made that character scary or fearsome originally.

Bebopclown · 15-08-2017 2:35pm

I feel this clown feels more like the Pennywise from the novel. The mini series Pennywise was nothing like the novel at all. In the novel Pennywise never cracked jokes, he was always sinister. The only time he acted normal was with Georgie. There was another part of the novel where he tried to act normal during a town fair and hand out balloons to children but he was so scary looking that the kids instantly burst into tears just looking at him.
One thing he does is he tries to lure children towards him, once he realises the child is starting to question what's happening, he charges at them.
He's pretty relentless in the novel, at one point he murders a 2 year old, he old grabs a 10 year old by the neck and rips his head clean off.
The movie version of Pennywise is more what I imagined he'd be reading the novel, the mini series was nothing like the novel at all.

Syphonax · 15-08-2017 2:38pm

The clips ive seen so for make this look like it a rehash of the original IT series. Bill Skarsgård hasnt a peg on Tim Curry.

Bebopclown · 15-08-2017 2:43pm

Syphonax wrote: »

The clips ive seen so for make this look like it a rehash of the original IT series. Bill Skarsgård hasnt a peg on Tim Curry.

Well, they are both based on the same novel and the Georgie scene is iconic, the main difference is the dialog in the new movie is lifted from the novel rather than repeating the mini series.
Looking at the trailer it seems to feature ALOT from the novel that was never in the series, The House On Neibolt Street plays a major part in the novel and wasn't even reference in the mini series, yet it's shown quite a lot in the trailers. If the movie Is like the novel a big chunk of it should be set in that house.

Tony EH · 15-08-2017 4:03pm

Bebopclown wrote: »

I feel this clown feels more like the Pennywise from the novel. The mini series Pennywise was nothing like the novel at all. In the novel Pennywise never cracked jokes, he was always sinister. The only time he acted normal was with Georgie. There was another part of the novel where he tried to act normal during a town fair and hand out balloons to children but he was so scary looking that the kids instantly burst into tears just looking at him.
One thing he does is he tries to lure children towards him, once he realises the child is starting to question what's happening, he charges at them.
He's pretty relentless in the novel, at one point he murders a 2 year old, he old grabs a 10 year old by the neck and rips his head clean off.
The movie version of Pennywise is more what I imagined he'd be reading the novel, the mini series was nothing like the novel at all.

If you think this will be in the film, forget it. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this film and the book will differ immensely. Probably, even more so than the mini series.

Plus (and it's been a few years since I've seen it), I don't recall Tim Curry's Pennywise being a jokester either. However, he does try to act congenial in order to lure the kids. Which, is the basic point of It's clown persona.

Also, in the book, Pennywise is supposed to look like Bozo the Clown from 1950's US TV. Curry's version was modelled on that. This version just looks like some Goth kid's drawing of what they believe a scary clown should look like and it's failing to do to me what Curry's version did. That is, unnerve me in a way that I can't descrbe.

Syphonax · 15-08-2017 4:14pm

Bebopclown wrote: »

Well, they are both based on the same novel and the Georgie scene is iconic, the main difference is the dialog in the new movie is lifted from the novel rather than repeating the mini series.
Looking at the trailer it seems to feature ALOT from the novel that was never in the series, The House On Neibolt Street plays a major part in the novel and wasn't even reference in the mini series, yet it's shown quite a lot in the trailers. If the movie I saw like the novel a big chunk of it should be set in that house.

lots missing from the TV series, which when you consider how long that was, its going to be hard to cram the novel into to the 2 hour movie? Glad they arent just repeating the TV like for like though, I dont think Skarsgård is as Sinister as Tim Curry though, he just oozed evil naturally.

Bebopclown · 15-08-2017 4:43pm

Syphonax wrote: »

lots missing from the TV series, which when you consider how long that was, its going to be hard to cram the novel into to the 2 hour movie? Glad they arent just repeating the TV like for like though, I dont think Skarsgård is as Sinister as Tim Curry though, he just oozed evil naturally.

The movie is only going to be half the book and it's 135 minutes. The first half of the mini series is 90 minutes and that intercut with the adults section.

Syphonax · 15-08-2017 4:51pm

Bebopclown wrote: »

The movie is only going to be half the book and it's 135 minutes. The first half of the mini series is 90 minutes and that intercut with the adults section.

Seemed well longer than 90 minutes a piece when I was watching it!

Agent Coulson · 15-08-2017 5:58pm

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Bebopclown · 15-08-2017 6:51pm

Tony EH wrote: »

If you think this will be in the film, forget it. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this film and the book will differ immensely. Probably, even more so than the mini series.

Maybe although if you look at the photos on IMDB they have a decapitated child's head floating in water.

Heisenbug · 15-08-2017 8:10pm

I don't think it will differ too much from the book. Didn't Stephen King see it and apparently loved it. He's still p!ssed at the Shining so I'd imagine the film has used a large chunk of the novel's material.

Bacchus · 15-08-2017 8:55pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

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Well that's a lot of nope

Bebopclown · 15-08-2017 9:25pm

Heisenbug wrote: »

I don't think it will differ too much from the book. Didn't Stephen King see it and apparently loved it. He's still p!ssed at the Shining so I'd imagine the film has used a large chunk of the novel's material.

Wasn't he also singing praise for The Dark Tower?

Heisenbug · 16-08-2017 6:30am

Bebopclown wrote: »

Wasn't he also singing praise for The Dark Tower?

Yep. Said they did a good job and that they used a number of things in the book. But it doesn't start off where the book does.

Seems more lenient as I think he thinks it was really difficult to adapt for the screen.

Cantona's Collars · 20-08-2017 8:34pm

Nice little 8 bit style game to promote the movie.

http://game.itthemovie.com

Conall Cernach · 21-08-2017 1:36pm

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Been years since I read the book but as far as I remember it really falls to bits towards the end and has some just weird bits (and not creepy weird, how much blow had king put up his nose to write it weird)

Yeah, the ending is very disappointing and a real anti-climax. Like a lot of King's work he does great stuff building atmosphere and character but then misses the pay off. The Stand is another example of this.

21-08-2017 1:38pm

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Yeah, the ending is very disappointing and a real anti-climax. Like a lot of King's work he does great stuff building atmosphere and character but then misses the pay off. The Stand is another example of this.

Can anyone mention "The Dark Tower"???

Inviere · 21-08-2017 2:23pm

Watched the original tv miniseries there, in anticipation of the remake. I enjoyed the first two thirds of it, I felt the kid/flashback scenes were done well, the adult scenes not great, but all in all, a good story that takes you in. The final act/few scenes though, jesus, pretty dire I must say

kerplun k · 21-08-2017 2:50pm

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Yeah, the ending is very disappointing and a real anti-climax. Like a lot of King's work he does great stuff building atmosphere and character but then misses the pay off. The Stand is another example of this.

Man, take your pick. Insomnia, The Green Mile, Bag of Bones, Dreamcatcher, Cell, Duma Key, Under the Dome, the list goes on and on. I always start a Stephen King book with the expectation that I will hate the ending. I love his work, but he just can't seem to nail endings.

Tony EH · 21-08-2017 7:37pm

It's exceptionally difficult to end a story, especially a horror story. Starting one is easy. Usually it's the opening idea the writer has had. 'It' is no exceoption, although I'll say its ending isn't half as flaccid as most of King's books. But, it is a truck load of WTF.

I think as an adult I would have been shocked, somewhat, if I'd read that. As a teen, it more or less rolled off my back.

But, yeh, King's endings are notorious for their drift into meh. The last book I read of his - and it was litterally years since I'd read a book of his - was 'The Cell', which has a great opening, an interesting story and an ending that I had to read several times, because I couldn't get what he was trying to achieve. Even though the ending works, and it's difficult to imagine it any other way now, it's still just so lackluster.

Avoid the film, though.

Snake Plisken · 23-08-2017 10:44pm

The only King ending that pissed me off was the ending of his Dark Tower Series of books I was like really that's it? I felt very cheated!
This movie adaptation is looking good, really didn't think much of the TV series probably because I had read the book before seeing it.

Billy86 · 23-08-2017 11:16pm

Trailers looked potentially quite good for Dark Tower and I know this isn't the be-all and end-all or anything, but it's scoring 16% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Agent Coulson · 25-08-2017 1:59pm

It's being predicted to be the biggest opening weekend ever for a horror film at $60m

Bacchus · 27-08-2017 9:10pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It's being predicted to be the biggest opening weekend ever for a horror film at $60m

Any predictions if it's going to be any good or not?

Also, is IT going to just be Pennywise all the time in this or will we see some other forms? Trailers only pointing to Pennywise.

Agent Coulson · 27-08-2017 9:13pm

Bacchus wrote: »

Any predictions if it's going to be any good or not?

Also, is IT going to just be Pennywise all the time in this or will we see some other forms? Trailers only pointing to Pennywise.

I've seen one or two early reviews staying it's best King adaptation brought to screen.

I'd take them with a grain of salt but if it's half as good as those reviews I'll be well happy.

No Idea on IT and don't want to know until I see it and get surprised.

I'm going black now on all reviews till I see it myself.

circos · 29-08-2017 3:18pm

Trying my best to get some early screening tickets. I'm, away for the weekend its out. Been following the production on this since it was announced. I see they have midnight screenings on the Morning of the 8th. Wish I didn't have a 6:50am flight the next day!

Hande hoche! · 30-08-2017 9:12am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It's being predicted to be the biggest opening weekend ever for a horror film at $60m

Could be one of the stand outs from a fairly lackluster box office draw. Will be interesting to see how it goes.

Conall Cernach · 31-08-2017 11:15am

Will this be a 2 part thing? I imagine it would be hard to cram in both kid and adult stuff into 2 or so hours.

Basq · 31-08-2017 11:32am

Conall Cernach wrote: »

Will this be a 2 part thing? I imagine it would be hard to cram in both kid and adult stuff into 2 or so hours.

Yeah, this one has been referred to as "The Loser's Club".. there'll be a sequel which will start filming next year.

Conall Cernach · 31-08-2017 12:29pm

Basq wrote: »

Yeah, this one has been referred to as "The Loser's Club".. there'll be a sequel which will start filming next year.

The Missus won't like me dragging her to something that won't have a proper conclusion.

Loughc · 31-08-2017 12:49pm

Conall Cernach wrote: »

The Missus won't like me dragging her to something that won't have a proper conclusion.

I wouldn't worry, although this is Part 1, it's set to have it's own conclusion, Part 2 takes place 27 years later story line time wise when "IT" Returns.

It's more of a sequel than a concluding part.

Tylerdurex · 31-08-2017 12:52pm

Salems lot is my favourite King book and the 70's movie is great and creepy as ****, they made a remake with Rob Lowe a while back which wasn't great

Snake Plisken · 31-08-2017 1:52pm

Tylerdurex wrote: »

Salems lot is my favourite King book and the 70's movie is great and creepy as ****, they made a remake with Rob Lowe a while back which wasn't great

Yep that remake was rubbish. Sad to see the director(Tobe Hooper) of the 1979 version died at the weekend. When I saw that as a kid in the 70's that got me into reading King's works.
I really hope IT is a decent adaptation that does well at the box office.

Outkast_IRE · 04-09-2017 1:18pm

There was a reviewer on Neil Delamare show on 2fm yesterday talking about "It" he had been to the press screening.

He mentioned that there was an embargo so he couldnt give a full review. But he basically said he went into it expecting the worst as there have been many bad Stephen King adaptations but in a nutshell he said it was a very good film, he noted that it was very close to the book in terms of its themes, dealing with grief, abuse, bullying etc.

He gave massive praise to all the child actors and said they did an excellent job. He really had only good things to say about the movie, he said even if you remove the scary scenes with Pennywise the clown it stands up there with the best king adaptations.

Bacchus · 05-09-2017 12:31pm

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

There was a reviewer on Neil Delamare show on 2fm yesterday talking about "It" he had been to the press screening.

He mentioned that there was an embargo so he couldnt give a full review. But he basically said he went into it expecting the worst as there have been many bad Stephen King adaptations but in a nutshell he said it was a very good film, he noted that it was very close to the book in terms of its themes, dealing with grief, abuse, bullying etc.

He gave massive praise to all the child actors and said they did an excellent job. He really had only good things to say about the movie, he said even if you remove the scary scenes with Pennywise the clown it stands up there with the best king adaptations.

OT but to add to that list of bad adaptations... The Mist TV show on Netflix. Watched about 25 minutes of it last night. It's pretty damn weak and looks like a poor man's Under the Dome (which was fairly awful itself). Such a pity. Another waste of a King adaptation.

Liam McPoyle · 05-09-2017 1:44pm

Bacchus wrote: »

OT but to add to that list of bad adaptations... The Mist TV show on Netflix. Watched about 25 minutes of it last night. It's pretty damn weak and looks like a poor man's Under the Dome (which was fairly awful itself). Such a pity. Another waste of a King adaptation.

I watched the first episode last week and was rather non plussed with it however it was somewhat rescued by some relatively nasty gore. Gonna watch another couple of episodes and see where it goes.

On topic, I havnt read any reviews but the rumblings I've seen on a few SK groups is that thus far it is being very well received by critics.

Really looking forward to seeing it, hopefully this weekend.

Bebopclown · 06-09-2017 8:38am

Reviews are starting to come in.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/it_2017

Mr Crispy · 06-09-2017 11:51am

Promising.

Kablamo! · 06-09-2017 4:16pm

Saw this last night and I really, really enjoyed it. It's a lot more faithful to the book, and the child actors seem to really gel. Very "Stand by Me" comraderie between them. My boyfriend said there was a huge "Stranger Things" vibe from it. I didn't overly warm to Bill as Pennywise, but I really adored Tim Curry in that role so I think I'm just being overly fussy.

circos · 06-09-2017 4:36pm

Kablamo! wrote: »

Saw this last night and I really, really enjoyed it. It's a lot more faithful to the book, and the child actors seem to really gel. Very "Stand by Me" comraderie between them. My boyfriend said there was a huge "Stranger Things" vibe from it. I didn't overly warm to Bill as Pennywise, but I really adored Tim Curry in that role so I think I'm just being overly fussy.

The stranger things vibe I think is there due to the guys who created stranger things wanting to do the IT movie originally and instead ended up doing their own show with influences from Stephen King.

Mr E · 06-09-2017 5:02pm

Or it could just be because it's set in 1989?

circos · 06-09-2017 5:11pm

Mr E wrote: »

Or it could just be because it's set in 1989?

The 80 vibe does help! The book is set in the 50s when they are children so it's a bit of a change.

smurf492 · 06-09-2017 5:14pm

And also hard wolffinn or whatever his name is from Stranger Things being also in IT...

Agent Coulson · 07-09-2017 12:02am

Glenbhoy · 07-09-2017 1:04am

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Yep that remake was rubbish. Sad to see the director(Tobe Hooper) of the 1979 version died at the weekend. When I saw that as a kid in the 70's that got me into reading King's works.
I really hope IT is a decent adaptation that does well at the box office.

I started reading Salem's lot aged 10, I finished it when I was about 17 (after 3 months of being scared to look out my bedroom window aged 10)!
Can't remember the ending, but I think it was one of the few king books which had a satisfactory ending.
I used to love so much about so many of his books, before giving up on them as they all had the same rubbish ending.
I gave under the dome a chance a few years ago for a holiday read, really enjoyed it up to a point, mind u, compared to the TV series....

Liam McPoyle · 07-09-2017 1:35pm

Bloody Disgusting (who I tend to agree with in the main) have given this two thumbs up. Didn't read the review barring the last few lines but they summed it up that they would put it in the same kind of bracket as Nightmare on Elm St in that it is destined to become a staple for Halloween viewing.

Properly excited now. Missus has given me permission to go see it at 10 on Sunday morning (having a 5 month old has seriously curtailed my excursions) so hopefully the cinema will be mostly empty, I much prefer viewing alone.

q2xv9rjei4awgb · 07-09-2017 2:30pm

Saw a clip on YT of Georgie's death...

Bit uncomfortable tbh...Certainly more graphic then the original

skylight1987 · 07-09-2017 10:32pm

first I declare I have never read the book but I loved the tv mini series. scary when I first saw it but just a good classic now .I have been planning to read the book in expectation of this new movie but now I hear there is an orgy in the book of an innappropriate age ????I cant read this ....how bad is it and why oh why did king put it in the book . if they put this in the movie i'll walk out .

Kablamo! · 07-09-2017 10:35pm

It's not in the film, never panic.

Tony EH · 08-09-2017 10:06am

skylight1987 wrote: »

first I declare I have never read the book but I loved the tv mini series. scary when I first saw it but just a good classic now .I have been planning to read the book in expectation of this new movie but now I hear there is an orgy in the book of an innappropriate age ????I cant read this ....how bad is it and why oh why did king put it in the book . if they put this in the movie i'll walk out .

As said, it won't be in the film. They wouldn't dare.

As to "how bad" it is, I was more confused as to what was going on when I first read it at school. I had to read it again, because I wasn't sure that King went there, as it were. The enduring bit is that the girl wasn't sure if she bleeding or if one of the boys had "finished".

As an adult, I find that sort of shocking. As a lad in school, when I first read it, it didn't really bother me. But, I was still left wondering why it was in the book.

Probably King had a coke induced spurt of writing on evening and thought it was a great idea at the time.

I wonder if he has since regretted it.

Stephen King's It

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