The Chinese Big Lie

Venom · 03-04-2020 8:11pm

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Posts from nurses are being shared on social media. I know some of the nurses myself who are posting about this. Theyre saying the masks are very low quality and the gowns are extremely flimsy and too small.

It's like they ordered everything off Wish.

Whoever was in charge of the order obviously never ordered clothes from China before, as you always have to pick two sizes bigger than normal for the stuff to fit.

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-04-2020 8:16pm

They will be held in the same esteem as Germany and Japan were in the middle of the last century when this is all over

Airyfairy12 · 03-04-2020 8:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

With automation advances there is no need for quite a lot of manufacturing to be in China and poorer countries. Aside from the benefits of lax environmental laws the benefits of lower costs isn't what it once was.

In fairness, even clothes that are made outside of Asia have ridiculous prices. Ethical clothing websites are charging 200+ euro for a basic jumper. For example, Toast is an Irish clothing brand.

https://www.toa.st/eu/product/womens+new+collection/f1nak/fracap+woven+sandals.htm?clr=F1NAK_Black_sw

219 for a pair of fugly sandles. That is standard cost for Irish and UK clothing brands.

Also, I read something recently that highlighted the cost of smart phones, if smartphones were to be made in Europe and all pieces for the phone sourced in Europe and not Africa or China using child labor or the workers form these countries were paid properly, a smart phone could cost thousands and no ordinary person would be able to afford one. Buying smart phone or a laptop would be like buying a car in terms of cost.
Its not practical. Western countries are too expensive.

I will try to find the link. It was really interesting.

FVP3 · 03-04-2020 8:30pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

They will be held in the same esteem as Germany and Japan were in the middle of the last century when this is all over

Despite the fever swamp of opinion on here, they won't. Comparing a virus that is not manmade to a genocide is utter nonsense.

The Chinese should control their markets, but in fact they did very well to contain the outbreak in Wuhan.

The recent hysteria is driven by the fact that the US has handled this far worse, so its intelligence services and far right press are whipping up the mobs against China.

thecretinhop · 03-04-2020 8:36pm

FVP3 wrote: »

Despite the fever swamp of opinion on here, they won't. Comparing a virus that is not manmade to a genocide is utter nonsense.

The Chinese should control their markets, but in fact they did very well to contain the outbreak in Wuhan.

The recent hysteria is driven by the fact that the US has handled this far worse, so its intelligence services and far right press are whipping up the mobs against China.

how many cny do u get paid comrade well done

FVP3 · 03-04-2020 8:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

With automation advances there is no need for quite a lot of manufacturing to be in China and poorer countries. Aside from the benefits of lax environmental laws the benefits of lower costs isn't what it once was.

The real problem is skillz. The chinese, and Asia in general, have massive supply chains and skills that barely exist in the west anymore.

I keep quoting Apple because they could afford to pay more wages without increasing prices. Labour is not the reason

Why can’t that work come home? Obama asked.

Jobs’ reply was unambiguous. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” he said, according to another dinner guest.

The president’s question touched upon a central conviction at Apple. It isn’t just that workers are cheaper abroad. Rather, Apple’s executives believe the vast scale of overseas factories as well as the flexibility, diligence and industrial skills of foreign workers have so outpaced their U.S. counterparts that “Made in the USA” is no longer a viable option for most Apple products.

We have dumbed down education for a few generations but also training on the job. We have snubbed manufacturing for finance and services.

The jobs aren't coming back.

FVP3 · 03-04-2020 8:37pm

thecretinhop wrote: »

how many cny do u get paid comrade well done

I tell the truth against sickening racists for free.

Right this thread needs cleaning up. I'm a trigger finger on the report key.

Kivaro · 03-04-2020 8:40pm

FVP3 wrote: »

Despite the fever swamp of opinion on here, they won't. Comparing a virus that is not manmade to a genocide is utter nonsense.

The Chinese should control their markets, but in fact they did very well to contain the outbreak in Wuhan.

The recent hysteria is driven by the fact that the US has handled this far worse, so its intelligence services and far right press are whipping up the mobs against China.

Yikes.
New user from March.
America: bad. China: good.

You do know that the Chinese were messing about with the Coronavirus and bats in labs in Wuhan 5 years ago?
This is a known fact, as it was reported at the time back in 2015.

FVP3 · 03-04-2020 8:43pm

bob mcbob wrote: »

I think if Covid has shown one thing it is how small a world we live in. So we can no longer ignore the actions of a paranoid, incompetent, aggressive government who have killed millions of there own people (cultural revolution, Tiananmen Square) in living memory.

Oh America is by no means perfect but given the choice, I will stick with them thank you very much.

America is far worse of course. I mean take a look at the last 20 years. Whats china done compared to the US? Has it killed millions of muslims based on lies? Invaded multiple countries? Destabilized whole swathes of the middle east and North Africa, and Europe as the asylum seekers flow into Europe.

Yes, their neighbours are hostile to China, as most South Americans are to the US. That tends to happen. However as Europeans we should worry about our area of the world, and the US is our enemy.

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-04-2020 8:45pm

FVP3 wrote: »

I tell the truth against sickening racists for free.

Right this thread needs cleaning up. I'm a trigger finger on the report key.

At least it's only pulling the trigger on the report key rather than human beings to "clean things up " when people disagree with you

FVP3 · 03-04-2020 8:46pm

Kivaro wrote: »

Yikes.
New user from March.
America: bad. China: good.

You do know that the Chinese were messing about with the Coronavirus and bats in labs in Wuhan 5 years ago?
This is a known fact, as it was reported at the time back in 2015.

I've posted here for years in fact. This is my third incarnation, hence the 3.

Are you now claiming that the Chinese used the virus to attack their own people, on the hope that it would spread to the West, knowing the West, in particular the US, couldnt handle it.

FVP3 · 03-04-2020 8:51pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

At least it's only pulling the trigger on the report key rather than human beings to "clean things up " when people disagree with you

Sure thats terrible, on the other hand the US police state has more people locked up in total than China with 1/4 the population. Neither has much to do with me, but the US wars on the middle east do affect Europe, as does its crazed ideologies, while China's internal actions are its own affairs.

I am surprised how much US propaganda works here in Ireland. Maybe it is just an internet thing.

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-04-2020 8:53pm

FVP3 wrote: »

Sure thats terrible, on the other hand the US police state has more people locked up in total than China with 1/4 the population. Neither has much to do with me, but the US wars on the middle east do affect Europe, as does its crazed ideologies, while China's internal actions are its own affairs.

I am surprised how much US propaganda works here in Ireland. Maybe it is just an internet thing.

I know which country I would want to live in

Elmer Blooker · 03-04-2020 9:03pm

FVP3 wrote: »

I am surprised how much US propaganda works here in Ireland. Maybe it is just an internet thing.

Agree, isn't it interesting how the media and public opinion doesn't really care or show much interest about the treatment of women and LGBT people in 'allies' Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States ...

Wibbs · 03-04-2020 9:03pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I know which country I would want to live in

Neither of them TBH S. Both cool places to visit and I've met few enough dickheads from either nation, but living there? If there was zero language barrier I've personally find it hard enough to split the difference between the US and China. There are certainly places in China I'd pick over some places in the US. I'd always pick most places in Europe than either of them.

threeball · 03-04-2020 9:20pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Neither of them TBH S. Both cool places to visit and I've met few enough dickheads from either nation, but living there? If there was zero language barrier I've personally find it hard enough to split the difference between the US and China. There are certainly places in China I'd pick over some places in the US. I'd always pick most places in Europe than either of them.

Exactly, both places have their citizens spoon fed the narrative that the government wants them to hear. The yanks have everyone told they live in the greatest country on earth and the rest of us are quirky wierdos or religious fanatics. The vast majority never leave the country. China dispense with that nonsense and just limit the info available to jiu and mei li soap

BanditLuke · 03-04-2020 9:24pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

They will be held in the same esteem as Germany and Japan were in the middle of the last century when this is all over

And rightfully so. A horrid regime.

BanditLuke · 03-04-2020 9:25pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Neither of them TBH S. Both cool places to visit and I've met few enough dickheads from either nation, but living there? If there was zero language barrier I've personally find it hard enough to split the difference between the US and China. There are certainly places in China I'd pick over some places in the US. I'd always pick most places in Europe than either of them.

Except Roscommon, obviously.

BanditLuke · 03-04-2020 9:28pm

FVP3 wrote: »

I tell the truth against sickening racists for free.

Right this thread needs cleaning up. I'm a trigger finger on the report key.

The more you shout "racist" the more ridiculous your posts become.

Nobody has a problem with Chinese people they have a problem with the regime.

You do realize the difference right?

Checkmate19 · 03-04-2020 9:42pm

China could have gave the heads up alot quicker. That cant be disputed.

_Brian · 03-04-2020 9:48pm

Checkmate19 wrote: »

China could have gave the heads up alot quicker. That cant be disputed.

We knew what was happening pretty much instantly or within days of stuff happening.

I read on Twitter that Borris Johnson was briefed on the Covid19 issue mid December and didn’t hold any emergency meetings until March.

Italy had people dying with a strange pneumonia flu in Bergamot in late December and did nothing, they continued life as normal until they had 1000 confirmed Covid deaths.

Trump spent weeks saying it was a hoax and that he could handle it amd it was just a cold. In early March he said they had 100’s of thousands of cases and people had gotten better by sitting around or just going to work.

We all saw China lock down 20million people in a brutal multi city clamp down on movement

What the hell did we want !!

The truth is the west initially thought this was another Asian problem and it wouldn’t affect us. Now that it has the British and US are blaming the Chinese for not telling us in time.

tuxy · 03-04-2020 9:48pm

Checkmate19 wrote: »

China could have gave the heads up alot quicker. That cant be disputed.

Lets say they did give the heads up 2 to 3 weeks earlier it would have made no difference here. It's still very recent that Paddy's day parade was cancelled.

plodder · 03-04-2020 9:50pm

I was listening to a talk on vaccines today from a US expert. He was very appreciative of the work the Chinese did in decoding the genetic code or whatever it was for this virus. But, he was mostly talking about the vaccine for Ebola that has been used since the big outbreak in Africa in 2013. The vaccine originally came from Canada and was developed further in the US then manufactured in Germany and used to control further outbreaks of Ebola in Africa. The same guy was advocating the development of vaccines for this virus as a global public good, which I think probably will happen. In other words, if a vaccine is developed in the West, it would be distributed worldwide to health care workers as a priority worldwide, then to at risk populations worldwide and so on, and manufactured world-wide. I'd expect this is what will happen.

Checkmate19 · 03-04-2020 10:00pm

This virus started in december. Surely if it happened in europe we would have known. China have a monopoly on virus any virus they should be on it more that they where. In fairness

tuxy · 03-04-2020 10:34pm

Checkmate19 wrote: »

This virus started in december. Surely if it happened in europe we would have known. China have a monopoly on virus any virus they should be on it more that they where. In fairness

Thankfully the people who had the flu have stopped claiming they had it in December.
If we had it in December the ICU units would have been overflowing early January.
It started in China there is no question in my mind about that, even the CCP will admit it.

China have a very bad record but not a monopoly, MERS and Ebola are recent ones that did not originate in China.

riffmongous · 03-04-2020 10:36pm

plodder wrote: »

I was listening to a talk on vaccines today from a US expert. He was very appreciative of the work the Chinese did in decoding the genetic code or whatever it was for this virus. But, he was mostly talking about the vaccine for Ebola that has been used since the big outbreak in Africa in 2013. The vaccine originally came from Canada and was developed further in the US then manufactured in Germany and used to control further outbreaks of Ebola in Africa. The same guy was advocating the development of vaccines for this virus as a global public good, which I think probably will happen. In other words, if a vaccine is developed in the West, it would be distributed worldwide to health care workers as a priority worldwide, then to at risk populations worldwide and so on, and manufactured world-wide. I'd expect this is what will happen.

I read in a report today on countries hijacking shipments of PPE, that a few weeks ago the US tried to take over a company in Germany making vaccines, 'for exclusive US use'. The company denied it but they also went through 3 CEOs inside a week..

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/15/trump-offers-large-sums-for-exclusive-access-to-coronavirus-vaccine

https://www.businessinsider.com/curevac-coronavirus-vaccine-trump-germany-denial-2020-3?r=DE&IR=T

plodder · 03-04-2020 10:53pm

riffmongous wrote: »

I read in a report today on countries hijacking shipments of PPE, that a few weeks ago the US tried to take over a company in Germany making vaccines, 'for exclusive US use'. The company denied it but they also went through 3 CEOs inside a week..

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/15/trump-offers-large-sums-for-exclusive-access-to-coronavirus-vaccine

https://www.businessinsider.com/curevac-coronavirus-vaccine-trump-germany-denial-2020-3?r=DE&IR=T

You have to understand America is a big and polarised country. One half of it voted for Trump, and even then, that doesn't mean they agree with everything he does, including trying to take over that vaccine company.

The other half of the country (160 million people) is probably less insular, a bit like the guy I was talking about

riffmongous · 03-04-2020 10:59pm

plodder wrote: »

You have to understand America is a big and polarised country. One half of it voted for Trump, and even then, that doesn't mean they agree with everything he does, including trying to take over that vaccine company.

The other half of the country (160 million people) is probably less insular, a bit like the guy I was talking about

Yeah sure, but it's what the government do that matters, not the people.. not withstanding the upcoming election of course

Bushmaster64 · 03-04-2020 11:03pm

It's more and more likely that this virus escaped out of the Bio lab in Wuhan. It was reported that a lab worker had previously been bitten by a Corona infected bat and self isolated some years ago.

We know bats carry it. We know bats can transfer to humans.

My feeling is that the Chinese regime prefers the story of it coming from wet markets more than the story of a bungling regime which let a virus escape a top security facility.

It's likely that a bat infected a lab technical.

It's far too coincidental that just a couple of hundred meters from the wet market reported to be the spark for infection, there's a level 4 security bio lab.

Scarinae · 03-04-2020 11:04pm

jmayo wrote: »

Would it be more correct to say Tibet is the biggest producer of some rare earth elements ?

The biggest reserves are in Inner Mongolia, which is in northern China. But either way, my point was that it is naive to say that we can just mine everything we need ourselves. I was using rare earths as an example of an area of mining where the global supply is very dependent on China. There are some reserves in other countries of course, but it takes years to get a mine online so we will be dependent on China for this for the foreseeable future. If our access to China's supply gets cut off, the prices for consumer electronics, electric and hybrid vehicles, wind turbines and even magnets will skyrocket.

Another aspect of this is what Airyfairy12 was saying further up the thread:

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Also, I read something recently that highlighted the cost of smart phones, if smartphones were to be made in Europe and all pieces for the phone sourced in Europe and not Africa or China using child labor or the workers form these countries were paid properly, a smart phone could cost thousands and no ordinary person would be able to afford one. Buying smart phone or a laptop would be like buying a car in terms of cost.
Its not practical. Western countries are too expensive.

I will try to find the link. It was really interesting.

s982102 · 03-04-2020 11:09pm

Bushmaster64 wrote: »

It's more and more likely that this virus escaped out of the Bio lab in Wuhan. It was reported that a lab worker had previously been bitten by a Corona infected bat and self isolated some years ago.

We know bats carry it. We know bats can transfer to humans.

My feeling is that the Chinese regime prefers the story of it coming from wet markets more than the story of a bungling regime which let a virus escape a top security facility.

It's likely that a bat infected a lab technical.

It's far too coincidental that just a couple of hundred meters from the wet market reported to be the spark for infection, there's a level 4 security bio lab.

That was a fake story, just like the story that says the virus came from US P4 lab when the accident occurred last summer.

Bushmaster64 · 03-04-2020 11:10pm

s982102 wrote: »

That was a fake story, just like the story that says the virus came from US P4 lab when the accident occurred last summer.

Well the facilities aren't fake. The bio labs exist.

A bit too coincidental for my liking. A stone's throw from the purported outbreak? what are the chances?

MadYaker · 03-04-2020 11:11pm

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

s982102 · 03-04-2020 11:15pm

Bushmaster64 wrote: »

Well the facilities aren't fake. The bio labs exist.

A bit too coincidental for my liking. A stone's throw from the purported outbreak? what are the chances?

The lab accident in the US also happened last year. Would this suggest the other story would be true, too? There is no hard evidence to support. The girl in the video you mentioned about was someone acting (check Fa Lun Gong and what the organisation does). Anyway, people choose what they believe.

plodder · 03-04-2020 11:15pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Yeah sure, but it's what the government do that matters, not the people.. not withstanding the upcoming election of course

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure how much the Ebola vaccination program I mentioned depended on the government. Bill Gates' foundation contributed a lot to it.

Kivaro · 03-04-2020 11:20pm

Bushmaster64 wrote: »

It's more and more likely that this virus escaped out of the Bio lab in Wuhan. It was reported that a lab worker had previously been bitten by a Corona infected bat and self isolated some years ago.

We know bats carry it. We know bats can transfer to humans.

My feeling is that the Chinese regime prefers the story of it coming from wet markets more than the story of a bungling regime which let a virus escape a top security facility.

It's likely that a bat infected a lab technical.

It's far too coincidental that just a couple of hundred meters from the wet market reported to be the spark for infection, there's a level 4 security bio lab.

You would have to wonder why the Wuhan lab and experiments is being ignored by some posters.
One can believe in coincidences and tell us that somehow there is no correlation to the report published in 2015 that stated it was a bad idea for the Chinese in Wuhan to be experimenting with Corinavirus and bats.
Roll on 5 years and now we have a worldwide deadly pandemic originating in Wuhan that will cause many deaths, probably cause a Great Depression, and change all our lives forever.

Covid-19 and its possible mutations is not going away; it is something that we will have to fight for years to come. Nobody is saying it was deliberate, but we need to be honest about the origination of the virus.

Mysteriouschic · 03-04-2020 11:52pm

There was an events 201 global fake pandemic exercise which is very similar to whats happening now.
The chinese health official person was attending there too. This was month before the outbreak.
And it's just strange how the ones who discovered the virus trying to warn us all were silenced covering up the coronavirus

Danno · 04-04-2020 12:57am

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Western countries are too expensive.

Bull in your interpretation of it. What is expensive is the "shareholders dividend" and the Governments ever demanding tax take to fund fluffy projects that are pandering to a public's want as opposed to their need. Simple as.

2u2me · 04-04-2020 1:39am

FVP3 wrote: »

America is far worse of course. I mean take a look at the last 20 years. Whats china done compared to the US? Has it killed millions of muslims based on lies? Invaded multiple countries? ...[]

They have 're-educated' millions of muslims in their internment camps.
They have invaded Tibet and forced many asylum seekers, invaded territory in the South China Sea. It has also been proven they harvest the organs of their prisoners. They condemn and ban ideas as docile as Falun Gong. They quell all political opposition. They are repressive and authoritarian(Hong Kong, Taiwan). The moment you live under this regime is the moment you realize you would hate it.

They do however seem to be handling this epidemic much better. I guess its much easier in an authoritarian state to get compliance from your citizens. This is the one and only situation I may opt to live in China over the US.

2u2me · 04-04-2020 1:46am

Scarinae wrote: »

If our access to China's supply gets cut off, the prices for consumer electronics, electric and hybrid vehicles, wind turbines and even magnets will skyrocket.

Also over the last decade they have been acquiring much of the world's gold deposits probably to diversify away from the dollar and hedge against harm from a trade war that is(was?) happening.

The Great Gatsby · 04-04-2020 2:21am

There's always been a Superpower . . . the Roman Empire, the British Empire, USSR, USA . . . is China next? If so, no thanks . . . Bad and all as the USA is, I'll take it over China anytime . . . they would make 1984 read like a comic book.

Suckit · 04-04-2020 2:37am

Quick question........ (It ended not being as quick as I planned)

Would China be less susceptible to the virus as they are less careful than us?
They are not big on sterilisation, nor over the top on general cleanliness either (not as a race, but as a country, as most is rural). They also eat things like bats, rats, dogs etc. that could carry disease or any number of things.
But that could also be down things like the Spanish flu, where they didn't get hit hard, and as a result are one of the the places believed that it originated from. (This is not my theory, nor the one I believe).
The 2nd wave of the Spanish flu was far more deadly than the first, and hit in October - November, yet China was almost unnafected by it.
That could
1. Make them less likely to start relying on antibacterial wipes, spray, disenfectant, bleach etc.
2. may make them less capable of contracting viruses like this..

Something like this - https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20151118-can-you-be-too-clean

tuxy · 04-04-2020 2:48am

Suckit wrote: »

Quick question........ (It ended not being as quick as I planned)

Would China be less susceptible to the virus as they are less careful than us?
They are not big on sterilisation, nor over the top on general cleanliness either (not as a race, but as a country, as most is rural). They also eat things like bats, rats, dogs etc. that could carry disease or any number of things.
But that could also be down things like the Spanish flu, where they didn't get hit hard, and as a result are one of the the places believed that it originated from. (This is not my theory, nor the one I believe).
The 2nd wave of the Spanish flu was far more deadly than the first, and hit in October - November, yet China was almost unnafected by it.
That could
1. Make them less likely to start relying on antibacterial wipes, spray, disenfectant, bleach etc.
2. may make them less capable of contracting viruses like this..

Something like this - https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20151118-can-you-be-too-clean

If that was the case disease would be low in 3rd world countries.

No Chinese troops were involved in the 1st world war. Outside of the war travel was very low compared to today. This is how they avoided the Spanish flu.

Airyfairy12 · 04-04-2020 2:49am

Suckit wrote: »

Quick question........ (It ended not being as quick as I planned)

Would China be less susceptible to the virus as they are less careful than us?
They are not big on sterilisation, nor over the top on general cleanliness either (not as a race, but as a country, as most is rural). They also eat things like bats, rats, dogs etc. that could carry disease or any number of things.
But that could also be down things like the Spanish flu, where they didn't get hit hard, and as a result are one of the the places believed that it originated from. (This is not my theory, nor the one I believe).
The 2nd wave of the Spanish flu was far more deadly than the first, and hit in October - November, yet China was almost unnafected by it.
That could
1. Make them less likely to start relying on antibacterial wipes, spray, disenfectant, bleach etc.
2. may make them less capable of contracting viruses like this..

Something like this - https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20151118-can-you-be-too-clean

The Virus is hitting every country very hard, including less developed countries were sanitation isnt very good. It's not just Europe and western countries experiencing this pandemic.

Suckit · 04-04-2020 3:29am

tuxy wrote: »

If that was the case disease would be low in 3rd world countries.

No Chinese troops were involved in the 1st world war. Outside of the war travel was very low compared to today. This is how they avoided the Spanish flu.

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

The Virus is hitting every country very hard, including less developed countries were sanitation isnt very good. It's not just Europe and western countries experiencing this pandemic.

Yeah, knew that when I typed, but i don't know any numbers. It just seemed to make sense to me. I also remember seeing the Chinese frontline walking through the streets blasting them (the streets) with I guess diluted bleach or something.

A few drinks too many tonight. This is the first time in over a year I have stayed in the one place for more than 3 days............. I am cracking up.

Airyfairy12 · 04-04-2020 3:52am

Suckit wrote: »

Yeah, knew that when I typed, but i don't know any numbers. It just seemed to make sense to me. I also remember seeing the Chinese frontline walking through the streets blasting them (the streets) with I guess diluted bleach or something.

A few drinks too many tonight. This is the first time in over a year I have stayed in the one place for more than 3 days............. I am cracking up.

The numbers are the same as western countries. We're not hearing about them as much but when do we ever? The media leaves those countries out for some reason?
An earlier post either here or another thread posted a link about Ecuador, bodies are rotting on the streets.

I think the virus was slower to spread to Africa and third world places because people dont really travel to those areas as much as they do to other western countries so Europe and the US got hit with it first before third world places did.
Numbers are starting to creep up now in Africa, South America, middle east and small islands.
The virus is slowly moving across the entire planet and no country has gotten out of this lightly.

Yurt2 · 04-04-2020 5:48am

tuxy wrote: »

If that was the case disease would be low in 3rd world countries.

No Chinese troops were involved in the 1st world war. Outside of the war travel was very low compared to today. This is how they avoided the Spanish flu.

France and Britain used about 140k Chinese as labour behind the lines in the WW1 conflict.

There is a theory (though unproven) that they perhaps were the ones that brought the Spanish flu to Europe.

riddles · 04-04-2020 6:13am

Walking down a street in China is an experience throats clearing and phlegm flying left and right ��
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/china-s-olympic-effort-to-brush-up-spitting-image-1.341366

plodder · 04-04-2020 8:19am

Bushmaster64 wrote: »

It's more and more likely that this virus escaped out of the Bio lab in Wuhan. It was reported that a lab worker had previously been bitten by a Corona infected bat and self isolated some years ago.

We know bats carry it. We know bats can transfer to humans.

My feeling is that the Chinese regime prefers the story of it coming from wet markets more than the story of a bungling regime which let a virus escape a top security facility.

It's likely that a bat infected a lab technical.

It's far too coincidental that just a couple of hundred meters from the wet market reported to be the spark for infection, there's a level 4 security bio lab.

Infections of humans by animals are not that unusual. Normally, those infections can't be passed on to other humans though. What is unusual about this outbreak is the mutation that allowed it to pass from human to human.

Bushmaster64 · 04-04-2020 10:57am

plodder wrote: »

Infections of humans by animals are not that unusual. Normally, those infections can't be passed on to other humans though. What is unusual about this outbreak is the mutation that allowed it to pass from human to human.

All Coronaviruses as far as I'm aware are transmissible between human to human.

It's the jump from animal to human that is the harder part under normal circumstances, but not under the dreadful food hygiene practices of the Chinese.

But the fact the CCP offered up the theory of wet market infection means it wasn't wet markets. It was the level 4 Bio lab 200 meters from the wet market.

The Chinese Big Lie

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