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    #1652
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,513 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    Surprised by what? RTE's western correspondent?

    Surprised that Google collect location data and know where the device is located. This has been the case for nearly 15 years.


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    #1653
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Elmer Blooker wrote: »
    Surprised by what? RTE's western correspondent?

    Jim Corr's paranoid interpretation of it.

    Information -> Jim Corr's mind -> delusional garbage

    That's the flow, but hey it gets him twitter followers, so there's that


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    #1654
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Nal wrote: »
    Surprised that Google collect location data and know where the device is located. This has been the case for nearly 15 years.

    Not to mention it's opt-in, and the output was produced as meta-data.


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    #1655
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,179 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Not to mention it's opt-in, and the output was produced as meta-data.

    you would have to wonder how Corr could be surprised by this. How did he think Google Maps predicted travel times?


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    #1656
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,513 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Latest from this complete lunatic



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    #1657
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Not to mention it's opt-in....

    It's not like Google ever collected data, (without) ensuring an opt-in ever before e.g. their Streetview cars on European roads.
    A European audit reveals the web giant 'accidentally' stored payload information from open networks

    ...'accidentally' gathering extracts of personal web activity from domestic wifi networks through the Street View cars it has used since 2007.
    Wifi network names (SSIDs) and identifiers (Mac addresses) for devices like network routers.


    Meanwhile in more recent times (this week) thanks to coronavirus, some EU states have somewhat killed their own democracy.
    The EU has shrugged it shoulders, as one of it's states declared rule by decree for an indefinite period of time.

    The further imposition of border closures to the utilization of mass digital surveillance, may become the new normal for Europe, and the bloc can't stop it, even if it wanted to. It can ask nicely, but that's about it.

    Maybe (as some poster allude to), maybe we should celebrate the effects of COVID19 as it results in the birth of authoritarian nationalism.
    After all if you have nothing to hide from your phones bluetooth and gro-location access, and new manditory tracking apps, that can also access your camera, pictures and contacts, sure you have nothing to fear.


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    #1658
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    It's not like Google ever collected data, (without) ensuring an opt-in ever before e.g. their Streetview cars on European roads.
    A European audit reveals the web giant 'accidentally' stored payload information from open networks

    ...'accidentally' gathering extracts of personal web activity from domestic wifi networks through the Street View cars it has used since 2007.
    Wifi network names (SSIDs) and identifiers (Mac addresses) for devices like network routers.


    Meanwhile in more recent times (this week) thanks to coronavirus, some EU states have somewhat killed their own democracy.
    The EU has shrugged it shoulders, as one of it's states declared rule by decree for an indefinite period of time.

    The further imposition of border closures to the utilization of mass digital surveillance, may become the new normal for Europe, and the bloc can't stop it, even if it wanted to. It can ask nicely, but that's about it.

    Maybe (as some poster allude to), maybe we should celebrate the effects of COVID19 as it results in the birth of authoritarian nationalism.
    After all if you have nothing to hide from your phones bluetooth and gro-location access, and new manditory tracking apps, that can also access your camera, pictures and contacts, sure you have nothing to fear.

    You seem to be taking information in, and applying some very broad strokes to it and coming out with.. I'm not sure.

    If Hungary, yes Orban is a right wing authoritarian dick (my opinion), and could take advantage of pandemic measures

    If other countries in Europe, most aren't authoritarian and will likely remove the common sense restrictions in place (step by step) as (if) the pandemic eases

    Have to ****ing word lawyer my sentences up here


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    #1659
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    If Hungary, yes Orban is a right wing authoritarian dick (my opinion), and could take advantage of pandemic measures
    Aside from your childish name calling/swearing and ignorance in failing to call out any other (left-wing) dicks, who may (also) be messing up somewhat. E.g. the Swedes has done SFA to date. Also fairly popular Boris, has been sitting on his hands for too long, creating public disquiet and public calls for more action.

    So...

    It looks like you have a conspiracy theory created on and by your own hands, well done:
    "An EU state is taking advantage of Cornovirus"

    Do you now suddenly dissaprove this?

    Specifically: of App tracking, geo-location data capture, using wireless bluetooth beacons (30 meter range, pre-amplification), smart live facial recognition cameras (requiring 5G), and mandatory access to typical 'smartphone's' tools such as pictures, data, logs and contacts (creation and tracking of a new 'Digital Identy', so to speak).


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    #1660
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Just watch Oliver North reaction when he was asked about the shadow government! Another senator stepped in quickly and said don't answer that a classified area. Answering that would expose the rogue deep state.



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    #1661
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    Aside from your childish name calling/swearing and ignorance in failing to call out any other (left-wing) dicks, who may (also) be messing up somewhat. E.g. the Swedes has done SFA to date. Also fairly popular Boris, has been sitting on his hands for too long, creating public disquiet and public calls for more action.

    So...

    It looks like you have a conspiracy theory created on and by your own hands, well done:
    "An EU state is taking advantage of Cornovirus"

    Do you now suddenly dissaprove this?

    Specifically: of App tracking, geo-location data capture, using wireless bluetooth beacons (30 meter range, pre-amplification), smart live facial recognition cameras (requiring 5G), and mandatory access to typical 'smartphone's' tools such as pictures, data, logs and contacts (creation and tracking of a new 'Digital Identy', so to speak).

    What?


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    #1662
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,418 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    Aside from your childish name calling/swearing and ignorance in failing to call out any other (left-wing) dicks, who may (also) be messing up somewhat. E.g. the Swedes has done SFA to date. Also fairly popular Boris, has been sitting on his hands for too long, creating public disquiet and public calls for more action.

    So...

    It looks like you have a conspiracy theory created on and by your own hands, well done:
    "An EU state is taking advantage of Cornovirus"

    Do you now suddenly dissaprove this?

    Specifically: of App tracking, geo-location data capture, using wireless bluetooth beacons (30 meter range, pre-amplification), smart live facial recognition cameras (requiring 5G), and mandatory access to typical 'smartphone's' tools such as pictures, data, logs and contacts (creation and tracking of a new 'Digital Identy', so to speak).

    Says the guy who deliberately misspelled posters names :rolleyes:


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    #1663
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    What?

    It looks like you have a conspiracy theory created on and by your own hands, well done: "An EU state is taking advantage of Cornovirus"
    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    If Hungary, yes Orban is a right wing authoritarian dick (my opinion), and could take advantage of pandemic measures

    Do you now suddenly dissaprove of this?

    Specifically: of App tracking, geo-location data capture, using wireless bluetooth beacons (30 meter range, pre-amplification), smart live facial recognition cameras (requiring 5G), and mandatory access to typical 'smartphone's' tools such as pictures, data, logs and contacts (creation and tracking of a new 'Digital Identy', so to speak).


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    #1664
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Haven't read all these pages or seen if this has been shown before... but highly interesting from back in the early days of the pandemic...

    https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/114720192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1665
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    It looks like you have a conspiracy theory created on and by your own hands, well done: "An EU state is taking advantage of Cornovirus"

    I wrote that an authoritarian leader like Orban could take advantage of the new measures. There are people quite rightly concerned about it.

    Conspiracies, inside jobs, plots, sleaze, collusion, etc happen all the time, however that's not really a "conspiracy theory" of the sorts we read on this forum, it's more to do with the nature of politics in that country.
    Do you now suddenly dissaprove of this?

    Specifically: of App tracking, geo-location data capture, using wireless bluetooth beacons (30 meter range, pre-amplification), smart live facial recognition cameras (requiring 5G), and mandatory access to typical 'smartphone's' tools such as pictures, data, logs and contacts (creation and tracking of a new 'Digital Identy', so to speak).

    I have no idea what you are talking about here, you'll have to explain


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    #1666
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I wrote that an authoritarian leader like Orban could take advantage of the new measures. There are people quite rightly concerned about it.

    Either he is, or he isn't.
    Unless of course, you're unable to construct a view on this by yourself and escape such vagueness.
    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I have no idea what you are talking about here, you'll have to explain
    Such an innocent little mind. If a country is going to 'take advantage' or abuse of power, it would very most likely start with the 'strict monitoring and surveillance of it's citizens'.

    Outside of gossip and reporting of sick people to an 1800 hotline. The current best tool for this is using a 'Digital ID'. Currently this is limited to installing a state approved App (either via push or manditory measures), which constantly monitor all actions, locations and data.

    The down side with this is you can say you only use a dumb phone, have no battery power, or 'forgot your phone' when heading out for a walk.

    Now if only there was some sort of persistant, portable and embedded always-on, non-escapable, birth-to-death technology that could fix this problem... Ah wait its our old friends over at www.id2020.org to the resuce !


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    #1667
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    Either he is, or he isn't.
    Unless of course, you're unable to construct a view on this by yourself and escape such vagueness.

    It's a perfectly valid view.
    Such an innocent little mind. If a country is going to 'take advantage' or abuse of power, it would very most likely start with the 'strict monitoring and surveillance of it's citizens'.

    Outside of gossip and reporting of sick people to an 1800 hotline. The current best tool for this is using a 'Digital ID'. Currently this is limited to installing a state approved App (either via push or manditory measures), which constantly monitor all actions, locations and data.

    The down side with this is you can say you only use a dumb phone, have no battery power, or 'forgot your phone' when heading out for a walk.

    Now if only there was some sort of persistant, portable and embedded always-on, escapable birth-to-death technology that could fix this problem... Ah wait its our old friends over at www.id2020.org to the resuce !

    I have no idea what you are talking about here or why you keep trying to insert that url


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    #1668
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    It's a perfectly valid view.
    Oh so vague, undecisive, and very sit on the fence-ish.
    A perfectly squirmish view.

    You would now appear unable commit to a conspiracy theory that you yourself alluded to.
    Quickly backtracked, and focused on the italacised 'could' factor, and then sugest to holding this 'could' as valid.
    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    I have no idea what you are talking about here or why you keep trying to insert that url
    So very innocent.

    How exactly do you think a state 'could' (as you say) 'take advantage' of COVID?
    May it have something to do with e.g. say manditory/push Apps installed on Smartphones?


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    #1669
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,179 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    Oh so vague, undecisive, and very sit on the fence-ish.
    A perfectly squirmish view.

    You would now appear unable commit to a conspiracy theory that you yourself alluded to.
    Quickly backtracked, and focused on the italacised 'could' factor, and then sugest to holding this 'could' as valid.


    So very innocent.

    How exactly do you think a state 'could' (as you say) 'take advantage' of COVID?
    May it have something to do with e.g. say manditory/push Apps installed on Smartphones?

    have we moved on from the mark of the beast to mandatory smart apps?

    anyway, no CT required for Orban. He is a right-wing authoritarian.


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    #1670
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    You have a dedicated thread to discuss www.id2020.org

    Post it there, this was derailed enough with comments.


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    #1671
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    Oh so vague, undecisive, and very sit on the fence-ish.
    A perfectly squirmish view.

    You would now appear unable commit to a conspiracy theory that you yourself alluded to.
    Quickly backtracked, and focused on the italacised 'could' factor, and then sugest to holding this 'could' as valid.

    Obtuse and pedantic stuff. It's perfectly clear, there's no backtracking whatsoever.
    So very innocent.

    How exactly do you think a state 'could' (as you say) 'take advantage' of COVID?
    May it have something to do with e.g. say manditory/push Apps installed on Smartphones?

    Due to this pandemic Hungary passed emergency legislation allowing Orban to rule by decree with no time limit set on it. And since he's on the authoritarian end of the spectrum, with not a great track record, it's open for potential abuse.

    I have no idea how or why you are trying to insert a national ID project for the world's poor into that, or this debate


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    #1672
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    anyway, no CT required for Orban. He is a right-wing authoritarian.

    Sure you don't like him, as is evident by your name calling and personal bias, perhaps you're likely batting hard for the left-wing, who knows for sure.
    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    If Hungary, yes Orban is a right wing authoritarian dick (my opinion), and could take advantage of pandemic measures

    But yet you have indeed suggested due specifically to the COVID situation, he could now 'take advantage of pandemic measures'.

    This sounds much like a 'conspiracy theory'.
    The very thing you spend your days trying desperately to close, a theory of conspiracy.


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    #1673
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,179 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Alena Tangy Someone wrote: »
    Sure you don't like him, as is evident by your name calling and personal bias, perhaps you're likely batting hard for the left-wing, who knows for sure.

    can you point out the name calling and personal bias in the post you quoted?


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    #1674
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    can you point out the name calling and personal bias in the post you quoted?
    Minor misunderstanding, not you, it was Dohnjoe chap that had said:

    "Orban is a right wing authoritarian dick"

    Which alluded to prior held bias from him, before presenting his conspiracy theory.


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    #1675
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    One of the latest is that this is was all a "plan-demic" by the "NWO" to curb worldwide protests by emptying the streets, or something


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    #1676
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    People burning 5G masts over conspiracy theories linking the masts with Coronavirus

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-52164358


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    #1677
    EyesClosed
    Registered Users Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭EyesClosed


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    People burning 5G masts over conspiracy theories linking the masts with Coronavirus

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-52164358

    This is exactly why these insane conspiracy theories need to be questioned not just believed.

    Sure it can be fun to spread anti 5g rumours, but people take this stuff very seriously and will believe it, when there is literally no evidence to back it up.


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    #1678
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    EyesClosed wrote: »
    This is exactly why these insane conspiracy theories need to be questioned not just believed.

    Sure it can be fun to spread anti 5g rumours, but people take this stuff very seriously and will believe it, when there is literally no evidence to back it up.

    They're entities who will assert blindly that there is no scientific resistance to 5G and is not unhealthy.  If they do, a small bit of researching, they'll find this. 

    http://www.5gappeal.eu/about/

    List of scientists who think 5G dangerous.
    https://emfscientist.org/index.php/emf-scientist-appeal

    This is not info to back up the theory 5G and the Virus are linked. Just information that most people never saw before.


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    #1679
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,792 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    If they do, a small bit of researching, they'll find this. 

    They'll find a lot of anti-5g sites posing as legitimate information. Some people are unable to tell the difference between real information and carefully crafted disinformation. A lot of people are unable to tell the difference between good science and bad science.

    Are 5g signals perfectly safe? No
    Are the suns rays perfectly safe? No

    There's a relative risk to both. Cranks and alarmists exploit the grey area in order to scare-monger that the risk is higher or much higher than it really is.


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    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    They'll find a lot of anti-5g sites posing as legitimate information. Some people are unable to tell the difference between real information and carefully crafted disinformation. A lot of people are unable to tell the difference between good science and bad science.

    Are 5g signals perfectly safe? No
    Are the suns rays perfectly safe? No

    There's a relative risk to both. Cranks and alarmists exploit the grey area in order to scare-monger that the risk is higher or much higher than it really is.


    Entertaining and more shift of stances by Dohnjoe.  Previously you claimed 5G was not dangerous and was completely safe.

    The website is not disinformation. Linking this site with other 5G- conspiracy sites you find online is hilarious. There the names of scientists and their department listed on this site, all writing to the UN summarizing why- 5G is potentially dangerous right now.

    Are 5g signals perfectly safe? No

    Perfectly safe (no) mean? Why would anybody use a technology that not 100 per cent safe for the public? How do you know if it is scaremongering? Are you educated enough about 5G to judge these scientists are wrong?


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    #1681
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    One of the latest is that this is was all a "plan-demic" by the "NWO" to curb worldwide protests by emptying the streets, or something

    My position and is opinion. China bought research from America leading scientists and somehow the virus got leaked. I don’t think its a conicidence that Charles Lieber ( one of America top chemists) and the Harvard Department chair of Chemical, and Chemical, biology research got arrested in Jan 2020. From media reports i looked up last night his last visit to Wuhan was in Nov 2019.


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