Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

weldoninhio · 14-08-2019 12:22pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Yeah there's lots of jokes from adult incel males about the young girl. Gold star for you though for outright calling for her death. A fatwa against those that challenge your want to burn diesel ad infinitum.

Where did I call for her death? :rolleyes:

Your faux outrage is blinding you.

CrankyHaus · 14-08-2019 12:25pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Currently, this requirement is fulfilled by a 377 kg heavy-duty diesel engine, which also served for charging batteries for the power supply of light and electronics, navigation system.

48-volt lithium-ion batteries

Boat doesn't seem as eco-friendly as they are promoting.

Realistically, for safe navigation a series of electronic aids are required - radar, AIS, running lights, Communications.
All of these require electricity. Without a clean energy source on board you'll be required to run the engine to recharge the batteries.

EDIT : it has a source of clean energy onboard. Cheers for clarifying Mikep.

Taking into account the environmental costs of its production and maintenence (to take just one example marine antifouling paints can be a serious environmental hazard particularly in confined spaces like harbours and a boat that size should generate quite a bit) the overall environmental positives of this boat trip seem dubious.

Of course to raise such facts means I'm actually a paedophile with an unhealthy obsession with the girl according to some on here.

cgcsb · 14-08-2019 12:26pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Where did I call for her death? :rolleyes:

Your faux outrage is blinding you.

'is it too much to hope for a Titanic 2'. That's wishing someone dead. Incel gold star for vicious comment for you. At least you've avoided pointing that high powered wit at yourself for the day.

cgcsb · 14-08-2019 12:27pm

The boat trip got yas thinking though didn't it, scumbags and all.

weldoninhio · 14-08-2019 12:27pm

cgcsb wrote: »

'is it too much to hope for a Titanic 2'. That's wishing someone dead. Incel gold star for vicious comment for you. At least you've avoided pointing that high powered wit at yourself for the day.

The boat sank. There were survivors. WFT is an incel?? Get out of the basement and into the real world. :rolleyes:

cgcsb · 14-08-2019 12:28pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

The boat sank. There were survivors. WFT is an incel?? Get out of the basement and into the real world. :rolleyes:

Oh right, you were wishing that her boat sank and she survived? piss off and cop yourself on.

AllForIt · 14-08-2019 12:31pm

Okay I'm a convert. I'm going to wipe the cobwebs of my yacht and take this climate change thing seriously from now on.

weldoninhio · 14-08-2019 12:31pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Oh right, you were wishing that her boat sank and she survived? piss off and cop yourself on.

You seem tense.

JJayoo · 14-08-2019 12:35pm

cgcsb wrote: »

'is it too much to hope for a Titanic 2'. That's wishing someone dead. Incel gold star for vicious comment for you. At least you've avoided pointing that high powered wit at yourself for the day.

Never heard of a joke?

Tombo2001 · 14-08-2019 12:37pm

Lads - can we end this silly over and back over the ice.

Just let it go.....

To paraphrase an earlier post - its 'nauseatingly predictable' that an online conversation on the topic would turn this way.

Which in itself is a pretty big impediment to any discussion on climate change.

Harry Palmr · 14-08-2019 12:41pm

Small minds ahoy. Ypu'd really have to wonder what some on this forum used to do before the internet made trashing other people so easy. The barstools must have been welded to their arses.

gifted · 14-08-2019 12:42pm

She's 16....bless her, a child....and she's got a free ride in a yacht to America....fair play to her....as long as someone else will pay for it then I'm available to save the world.......

Bunch of free loading save the world brigade.....

Dakota Dan · 14-08-2019 12:47pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Greta is receiving ferocious criticism, which means a nerve has been struck. The personal attacks from some quarters highlighting her autism are unwarranted. I don't doubt her sincerity for a minute. Good luck to the young woman.

Do you actually believe in that Greta circus?

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 12:53pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Climate saint Greta Trunburg is settling sail for UN climate talks in New York to demand that governments socially engineer and tax the little people into oblivion to save the planet. Accompanied by her film maker father who lives vicariously through her, a filthy rich aristocrat from Monaco and some German bloke the trip will no doubt vastly increase the wattage of her halo before she lectures us all about impending climate Armageddon in New York. Hopefully snaps from the trip will make it into Hello! Magazine.

Gee, sure am sorry for the emotional distress this is causing you bro

mikep · 14-08-2019 12:56pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Currently, this requirement is fulfilled by a 377 kg heavy-duty diesel engine, which also served for charging batteries for the power supply of light and electronics, navigation system.

48-volt lithium-ion batteries

Boat doesn't seem as eco-friendly as they are promoting.

Perhaps if you had a look at the boats site you might have found this:

How is the electricity needed to run all the boat’s systems generated?
Malizia is equipped with a state-of-the-art 1,3kW solar system (see here for more information) and additionally with two hydro-generators, which are permanently installed on the stern of the boat and were specifically designed for IMOCA 60 racing yachts. With these two independently working systems, we generate more electricity than we actually need on board. Both energy sources allow us to run all the systems and electronics on board continuously – navigation instruments, autopilots, watermakers as well as our SubCtech ocean laboratory. So, we will be able to complete the transatlantic trip fully emission free.

Engine is a safety requirement for emergencies and for docking etc...

Hector Savage · 14-08-2019 12:57pm

Nermal wrote: »

Because it's obvious she's being deliberately built up by the media.

The attention she gets is not 'organic', it's orchestrated. It helps the media in getting clicks from supporters and from detractors, and it helps manufacture consensus for an environmental agenda. It's transparent manipulation. Of course that will make people mad!

It's a bizarre phenomenon. Since when did we value the opinions of children?

Exactly, her on her own I don't have an issue with - and fair play to her she's not a hypocrite by using SUVs and flying around the world - but her followers are.

Why the media have given her so much attention over what started as tantrums basically is incredible to me.
And I do wonder about her "ausbergers" , is that used to make her more special - more untouchable as regards criticism ?

Tombo2001 · 14-08-2019 12:57pm

So what do we all have in common.

As things stand - its like trying to talk in a room with music blaring in the background, its almost impossible to have a conversation that doesn't result in argument.

Moreover - the trash talk is the norm, its seen as your entitlement.

Whether we are for Greta, or against Greta - its clear that everyone on this thread cherishes their right to tear into people on social media forums....

We all have that in common.

I wonder would boards.ie set up a conflict free zone - where civil discussion is emphasised, and any trash talk results in immediate banning.

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 12:58pm

gifted wrote: »

as long as someone else will pay for it then I'm available to save the world....

Im sure you're available for all sorts of gainful employment. Finding a generous benefactor to sponsor your efforts could prove a herculean task.

:(:o

IamtheWalrus · 14-08-2019 12:58pm

The fact the Greta Thunberg is young is the point. It’s her generation that mine and the previous generations have f’ed over by our recklessness. She’s become a symbol for that.

When she found out the dangers her generation faces, she got depressed. Instead of remaining depressed, she took action and, with the Youth Strike, created a movement that just might have an impact on our politicians today. She’s a symbol of action, not words, and with the clock ticking towards a climate catastrophe, that’s exactly the kind of thing we need.

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 1:00pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

And I do wonder about her "ausbergers" , is that used to make her more special - more untouchable as regards criticism ?

Eh criticism for what exactly? Dont shoot the messenger buddy :rolleyes:

Uncharted · 14-08-2019 1:00pm

Fresh from her huge hit with the1975, you know the one, with the catchy lyrics referencing global warming. :pac:

This is all obviously a publicity stunt to promote her new 'song' with Rod Stewart.

'We are sailing' 2019.

Harry Palmr · 14-08-2019 1:05pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

So what do we all have in common.

As things stand - its like trying to talk in a room with music blaring in the background, its almost impossible to have a conversation that doesn't result in argument.

Moreover - the trash talk is the norm, its seen as your entitlement.

Whether we are for Greta, or against Greta - its clear that everyone on this thread cherishes their right to tear into people on social media forums....

We all have that in common.

I wonder would boards.ie set up a conflict free zone - where civil discussion is emphasised, and any trash talk results in immediate banning.

Unfortunately this seems beyond the scope of not just boards but life. It would be a good thing to try though. This forum really is a massively dominated by angry minds.

gifted · 14-08-2019 1:05pm

Kid Charlemagne wrote: »

Im sure you're available for all sorts of gainful employment. Finding a generous benefactor to sponsor your efforts could prove a herculean task. :(:o

Employment???....who said anything about that......I want it free....lol lol

Speaking if employment, what does her father work as?

is_that_so · 14-08-2019 1:05pm

seamus wrote: »

You'll find that nobody is putting stock in what she is saying, rather they're supporting her as a spokesperson for an entire movement.

She's not saying anything new or revealing any new ideas. She is pushing the climate change issue, she is acting as a conduit for the facts that we already know and the changes that we know we have to make.

Why her specifically? Well it has to be someone. She has proven herself adept at self-promotion and causing a stir. So why not her?

And the cynics are somewhat correct; she has a certain amount of imperviousness to her. Adults have pasts. College years and old jobs and old friends and old statements, that can be used to discredit them and thereby weakening their message.

Thunberg doesn't. She is a literal blank slate when it comes to mudslinging, and her age means that adults making snide comments just look like pathetic begrudgers.

On top of that she stands as a representative for the generation who will be the most affected by climate change. She is fighting for her future instead of relying on us to do it for her. Because fnck knows, she'd be waiting.

That's why she's being put front and centre, and why grown adults are supporting her.

The Asperger's thing is somewhat secondary. It was a thing initially, people were amazed that someone with Asperger's could be so in touch, coherent and media savvy. And in that regard she's a great ambassador for people of ASD. But it's definitely faded away, nobody's really talking about it anymore.

The problem is as the de facto head she is open to exploitation and the movement like many others has out and out zealots who have no shame in taking any actions that suits them, often loud and pointless actions. A secondary risk is consumer fatigue. Rarely a day goes by without some doom and gloom environment story or another "clarion" call for unattainable demands. Many people would wholeheartedly support the concept of addressing the issue but we also understand it really takes time. Some people just don't want to wait.

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 1:05pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

With chunks of ice breaking from the Arctic ice sheet is it too much to hope for Titanic 2??

You mad bro? :pac:

14-08-2019 1:06pm

It's good that she's highlighting climate change. She's a great girl.

What's bad however is the movement to take us back to the Stone Age instead of building lots of new nuclear power stations. Renewables aint gonna cut it as Germany have found out :

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-failure-on-the-road-to-a-renewable-future-a-1266586.html

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 1:07pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Many people would wholeheartedly support the concept of addressing the issue but we also understand it really takes time. Some people just don't want to wait.

I fully agree! Let's give it another 500 years and reassess then. No point in rushing into anything is there!

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 1:09pm

gifted wrote: »

Employment???....who said anything about that......I want it free....lol lol

Speaking if employment, what does her father work as?

Dunno what?

is_that_so · 14-08-2019 1:12pm

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

The fact the Greta Thunberg is young is the point. It’s her generation that mine and the previous generations have f’ed over by our recklessness. She’s become a symbol for that.

When she found out the dangers her generation faces, she got depressed. Instead of remaining depressed, she took action and, with the Youth Strike, created a movement that just might have an impact on our politicians today. She’s a symbol of action, not words, and with the clock ticking towards a climate catastrophe, that’s exactly the kind of thing we need.

It's an issue for our times no less than banning the bomb was a source of depression and great fear for an earlier generation. There really is no benefit to be had in disparaging previous generations. It leads to distrust, false accusations and ultimately communication breakdown. People as symbols are a danger to themselves in the sense that they can be undone and undermined by those who either wish to exploit them or bring them down. If we need an image it is something that endures.

is_that_so · 14-08-2019 1:14pm

Kid Charlemagne wrote: »

I fully agree! Let's give it another 500 years and reassess then. No point in rushing into anything is there!

Ah I see essay writing wasn't your forte. The word underwhelming would have been part of teacher comments!

gifted · 14-08-2019 1:17pm

Kid Charlemagne wrote: »

Dunno what?

I've no idea....that's kinda why I asked...lol lol

cgcsb · 14-08-2019 1:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

It's good that she's highlighting climate change. She's a great girl.

What's bad however is the movement to take us back to the Stone Age instead of building lots of new nuclear power stations. Renewables aint gonna cut it as Germany have found out :

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-failure-on-the-road-to-a-renewable-future-a-1266586.html

Germany was very foolish to attempt to phase out it's existing nuclear capacity for no good reason.

Unfortunately since Fukushima, the min safety standards for new nuclear plants has increased, making new plants economically impossible. The UK is struggling on with building a few but the costs have gone through the roof. And that's before you take into account the cost of storing an ever growing amount of waste for 10,000 years.

It'd be cheaper to buy thousands of batteries and charge them with the wind and run the grid like that. Not that I'm advocating something so drastic as that too would be an expensive folly. Ireland seems to have a good set up, wind/gas balance that doesn't cost the earth with a few more power storage devices we can phase out coal entirely. Densely populated countries like Germany or England haven't many options other than nuclear for now.

Dakota Dan · 14-08-2019 1:31pm

reg114 wrote: »

The bile and uninformed vitriol directed at a child by many adults who should know better is nauseatingly predictable. Greta has shown more backbone and moral conviction than many of the world's leaders who are pi$$ing away their responsibilities as elected representatives. Tis the wont of a thug and bully to attack the vulnerable. I think she's an inspiration.

Can you not see that that’s the main reason they picked her as their mouthpiece. Any criticism will be met with attacking a child nonsense.

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 1:37pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Ah I see essay writing wasn't your forte. The word underwhelming would have been part of teacher comments!

Is that so? :pac::pac::pac:

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 1:38pm

gifted wrote: »

I've no idea....that's kinda why I asked...lol lol

Eh good man yeah fair play

Dakota Dan · 14-08-2019 1:38pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

No one has wished death on anyone.

One poster made it up and now it’s gospel anyone that criticises her wants her dead apparently. You couldn’t make it up.

Gatling · 14-08-2019 1:40pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Can you not see that that’s the main reason they picked her as their mouthpiece. Any criticism will be met with attacking a child nonsense.

Who picked her .

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 1:41pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

One poster made it up and now it’s gospel anyone that criticises her wants her dead apparently. You couldn’t make it up.

*slow clap*

Good lad :rolleyes::pac:

two wheels good · 14-08-2019 1:46pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I don't understand what you're trying to say here, can you be more clear?

Greta T has been in the news for months. You're commenting on media hype surrounding a topic you've only heard about today. Can't you see a contradiction?
And your phrase "1 percenter child, with fairly simplistic positions" is yet another casual dismissal of her campaign.
I think your recent arrival to the topic prompts me to dismiss your views on it.

Dakota Dan · 14-08-2019 1:49pm

Gatling wrote: »

Who picked her .

So you believe she did it all single handed?

Harry Palmr · 14-08-2019 1:50pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Can you not see that that’s the main reason they picked her as their mouthpiece. Any criticism will be met with attacking a child nonsense.

The Illuminati? Mossad? Hillary Clinton? Who who?

Kid Charlemagne · 14-08-2019 1:51pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

So you believe she did it all single handed?

Just answer the question please Sir.:rolleyes:

shesty · 14-08-2019 1:51pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Many people would wholeheartedly support the concept of addressing the issue but we also understand it really takes time. Some people just don't want to wait.

This right here.

It takes time.It has to be done yes, and the sooner the better but jesus, it is not going to happen next week or next year.

The only criticism I have of Greta Thunberg is that given her youth, I really wonder does she have any idea of how much cost and impact on people's lives this causes.I mean, great, she is sailing across the Atlantic on a "green" boat.That's lovely.Does she have any clue how much that thing costs?And the fact that there is a member of the Monaco royal family aboard, who has lived the high life since the day he was born....it kind of dilutes the whole picture a bit.

To bring it to a more practical level, in the life of everyday normal people though....I am all for doing everything we can to change things.But for example....my car.Electric vehicles are the new amazing thing-fine.I have not a hope in hell of affording an electric vehicle in the next 5 years at least.Probably longer.Or affording one that fits three small kids (if one exists).I just don't have the money.Public transport is not an option for me to commute.So I will have to just continue polluting the atmosphere with my diesel car.It's nice that the Government are encouraging electric vehicles and everything but not everybody has the wherewithal straight away to make the change.

I just wonder does Greta make the connection between what she calls for and how it will take a LOT of time ...years.....before it can trickle right down to the ordinary person to make the big changes she calls for, because we aren't all made of money.

CrankyHaus · 14-08-2019 1:53pm

two wheels good wrote: »

Greta T has been in the news for months. You're commenting on media hype surrounding a topic you've only heard about today. Can't you see a contradiction?
And your phrase "1 percenter child, with fairly simplistic positions" is yet another casual dismissal of her campaign.
I think your recent arrival to the topic prompts me to dismiss your views on it.

Only the enlightened demi-gods like you may have an opinion on this so? Suit yourself. I've already made far more of a contribution to this discussion than your sniping has.

I was aware of the climate strike but, being wary of how entertainment increasingly masquerades as news, I instinctively avoided the more hype filled coverage of the personalities involved as there are far more important things to pay attention to. From the links in the first page of the thread I was able to catch up quickly by reading up on her today.

She seems like a genuinely well intentioned person but my concerns about her background remain. Ayone can be a zealot for immediate action if it just means they go from a Porsche 911 to a Tesla S for their 17th birthday present, the representatives at the UN have more serious sacrifices to discuss.

Tell me how · 14-08-2019 1:55pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Can you not see that that’s the main reason they picked her as their mouthpiece. Any criticism will be met with attacking a child nonsense.

Nobody 'picked' her.

She has rightly gained popularity for the following reasons.

Persistence.
Consistency of message (listen to the science).
She is doing what she can do.
Non hidden agenda.

Some of the reactions to her (recent Australian commentator for example) read like a Simpson's charactaeur.

cgcsb · 14-08-2019 1:55pm

Why is her coming from a wealthy background problematic for people? Ok so rich people are more empowered to make more environmentally friendly choices because our economy is set up to make unsustainable choices cheap. That's why she speaks to world leaders rather than ordinary folks who have less options at their disposal.

Gatling · 14-08-2019 1:57pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

So you believe she did it all single handed?

Did what exactly .

She should be commended rather than people going on about some agenda ,
She's young and decided she wanted to make a change and is doing just that , standing up and making her voice heard not just for herself but all of us ,

If only more youth doing the same we could actually see real change in climate awareness, social reform and policies reform ,
Would you let your child/children do what she's doing

Hector Savage · 14-08-2019 2:03pm

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

The fact the Greta Thunberg is young is the point. It’s her generation that mine and the previous generations have f’ed over by our recklessness. She’s become a symbol for that.

When she found out the dangers her generation faces, she got depressed. Instead of remaining depressed, she took action and, with the Youth Strike, created a movement that just might have an impact on our politicians today. She’s a symbol of action, not words, and with the clock ticking towards a climate catastrophe, that’s exactly the kind of thing we need.

So did Boyan Slat - and he started a company that is cleaning up the oceans plastic, and it's working !!

No one gives a sh1t about him tho, he doesn't virtue signal enough.
And I know I am banging his drum a lot, but it really pisses me off that he gets FA regognition!

Eric Cartman · 14-08-2019 2:05pm

Nermal wrote: »

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Fascinating to see the emotive ire she's receiving.

Because it's obvious she's being deliberately built up by the media.

The attention she gets is not 'organic', it's orchestrated. It helps the media in getting clicks from supporters and from detractors, and it helps manufacture consensus for an environmental agenda. It's transparent manipulation. Of course that will make people mad!

It's a bizarre phenomenon. Since when did we value the opinions of children?

We never did, but as a female child , any criticism of her can be instantly shut down without answering any questions which is what her tax hungry puppetmasters want.

jackboy · 14-08-2019 2:13pm

Tell me how wrote: »

She has rightly gained popularity for the following reasons.

Persistence.
Consistency of message (listen to the science).
She is doing what she can do.
Non hidden agenda.

A significant reason that she has gained popularity is the intense promotion by her parents. Other people of influence have jumped on the bandwagon and have joined in with this promotion.

She is probably genuine but she is being manipulated and used. She is widely reported to have had significant mental health issues in the recent past. All this high profile public attention is probably putting her under a lot of stress. I have reservations about the way she is being treated (remember she is still a child).

Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

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