CrankyHaus wrote: » MarquisDeSad wrote: » This is a cop out argument. No it's not. It's highlighting that the biggest challenge of our times needs more than a bunch of rich people swanning around in their super yachts to solve it. We have a global economy based on ever increasing consumption. This model will have to be removed or significantly reformed to address climate change. The Thunberg family and their friends are part of the elite of this system, they profit from it and perpetuate it, and real change will not come from them.
MarquisDeSad wrote: » This is a cop out argument.
cgcsb wrote: » Why is her coming from a wealthy background problematic for people? Ok so rich people are more empowered to make more environmentally friendly choices because our economy is set up to make unsustainable choices cheap. That's why she speaks to world leaders rather than ordinary folks who have less options at their disposal.
seamus wrote: » Honestly, the economics are irrelevant. It's like complaining about the price of a Big Mac while the ocean waves are banging up against the front door of the McDonalds. No, nobody can really make the change quickly, and governments need to work on ways to assist. But we also need to wake up to the reality that this is not going to be easy. Our costs are going to go up. Our standard of living will probably drop, we'll probably all move back to having one car, not two. We cannot continue living our lives the way we do, and combat climate change. We will have to change the way we live our lives, because otherwise it's all for nothing. All the complaints that you can't afford an eco-friendly car for your kids, or that your chinese-made iPhone has 50% carbon tax on it will seem ridiculous when you have to watch your grandchildren face the prospect of actual extinction within their lifetimes.
CrankyHaus wrote: » seamus wrote: » Honestly, the economics are irrelevant. It's like complaining about the price of a Big Mac while the ocean waves are banging up against the front door of the McDonalds. No, nobody can really make the change quickly, and governments need to work on ways to assist. But we also need to wake up to the reality that this is not going to be easy. Our costs are going to go up. Our standard of living will probably drop, we'll probably all move back to having one car, not two. We cannot continue living our lives the way we do, and combat climate change. We will have to change the way we live our lives, because otherwise it's all for nothing. All the complaints that you can't afford an eco-friendly car for your kids, or that your chinese-made iPhone has 50% carbon tax on it will seem ridiculous when you have to watch your grandchildren face the prospect of actual extinction within their lifetimes. Or perhaps even go down to one Ocean Racing Yacht per family, not two. The economics are absolutely relevant and in fact are essential to making climate policies work. How much tax avoidance does Monaco facilitate each year and how much of a contribution would this money make towards climate policy?
Feisar wrote: » Very easy for Greta to tell us how to live, does she have any concept of the economics in play?
Hector Savage wrote: » IamtheWalrus wrote: » The fact the Greta Thunberg is young is the point. It’s her generation that mine and the previous generations have f’ed over by our recklessness. She’s become a symbol for that. When she found out the dangers her generation faces, she got depressed. Instead of remaining depressed, she took action and, with the Youth Strike, created a movement that just might have an impact on our politicians today. She’s a symbol of action, not words, and with the clock ticking towards a climate catastrophe, that’s exactly the kind of thing we need. So did Boyan Slat - and he started a company that is cleaning up the oceans plastic, and it's working !! No one gives a sh1t about him tho, he doesn't virtue signal enough. And I know I am banging his drum a lot, but it really pisses me off that he gets FA regognition!
IamtheWalrus wrote: » The fact the Greta Thunberg is young is the point. It’s her generation that mine and the previous generations have f’ed over by our recklessness. She’s become a symbol for that. When she found out the dangers her generation faces, she got depressed. Instead of remaining depressed, she took action and, with the Youth Strike, created a movement that just might have an impact on our politicians today. She’s a symbol of action, not words, and with the clock ticking towards a climate catastrophe, that’s exactly the kind of thing we need.
Tell me how wrote: » She has rightly gained popularity for the following reasons. Persistence. Consistency of message (listen to the science). She is doing what she can do. Non hidden agenda.
Nermal wrote: » MarquisDeSad wrote: » Fascinating to see the emotive ire she's receiving. Because it's obvious she's being deliberately built up by the media. The attention she gets is not 'organic', it's orchestrated. It helps the media in getting clicks from supporters and from detractors, and it helps manufacture consensus for an environmental agenda. It's transparent manipulation. Of course that will make people mad! It's a bizarre phenomenon. Since when did we value the opinions of children?
MarquisDeSad wrote: » Fascinating to see the emotive ire she's receiving.
Dakota Dan wrote: » So you believe she did it all single handed?
Dakota Dan wrote: » Can you not see that that’s the main reason they picked her as their mouthpiece. Any criticism will be met with attacking a child nonsense.
two wheels good wrote: » Greta T has been in the news for months. You're commenting on media hype surrounding a topic you've only heard about today. Can't you see a contradiction? And your phrase "1 percenter child, with fairly simplistic positions" is yet another casual dismissal of her campaign. I think your recent arrival to the topic prompts me to dismiss your views on it.
is_that_so wrote: » Many people would wholeheartedly support the concept of addressing the issue but we also understand it really takes time. Some people just don't want to wait.
Gatling wrote: » Who picked her .
CrankyHaus wrote: » I don't understand what you're trying to say here, can you be more clear?
Dakota Dan wrote: » One poster made it up and now it’s gospel anyone that criticises her wants her dead apparently. You couldn’t make it up.
weldoninhio wrote: » No one has wished death on anyone.
gifted wrote: » I've no idea....that's kinda why I asked...lol lol
is_that_so wrote: » Ah I see essay writing wasn't your forte. The word underwhelming would have been part of teacher comments!
reg114 wrote: » The bile and uninformed vitriol directed at a child by many adults who should know better is nauseatingly predictable. Greta has shown more backbone and moral conviction than many of the world's leaders who are pi$$ing away their responsibilities as elected representatives. Tis the wont of a thug and bully to attack the vulnerable. I think she's an inspiration.
Deleted User wrote: » It's good that she's highlighting climate change. She's a great girl. What's bad however is the movement to take us back to the Stone Age instead of building lots of new nuclear power stations. Renewables aint gonna cut it as Germany have found out :https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-failure-on-the-road-to-a-renewable-future-a-1266586.html
Kid Charlemagne wrote: » Dunno what?
Kid Charlemagne wrote: » I fully agree! Let's give it another 500 years and reassess then. No point in rushing into anything is there!
