Second Captains

10-10-2019 10:54am

dulpit wrote: »

The Davestator wrote: »

I see your point, but if you made a 'racial' joke on your own personal social media on your own time, would you accept your employer and possibly, the umbrella organisation for your industry punishing you? i.e Man City & FA

If you are in a public-facing, well-known role then yes.

Bernardo doesn't face the public. He competes against fellow professionals, that is his core responsibility. They might tack on some stuff with sponsors and fans etc but he is hardly in a client relations role.

10-10-2019 10:57am

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

The Davestator wrote: »

I see your point, but if you made a 'racial' joke on your own personal social media on your own time, would you accept your employer and possibly, the umbrella organisation for your industry punishing you? i.e Man City & FA

Sure even a colleague of mine was dismissed for personal tweets deemed to be racist. It is commonplace for organisations to include clauses regarding Social Media usage in employee contracts. I imagine it would be even more important in the contracts of the likes of professional footballers.

The main problem I have with it is who gets to decide what is racist or not? It is a subjective term and can be manipulated and twisted too easily. Raheem sterling didn't seem to think it was racist. Was he wrong? Is he an apologist for racist behaviour?

Still Ill · 10-10-2019 11:05am

Who got to decide if the 'N' word was racist? Who got to decide if blackface is racist?

dulux99 · 10-10-2019 11:11am

Funnily enough, the only people I saw who were offended about the Bernardo Silva thing were white men.

tomwaits48 · 10-10-2019 11:38am

can we move on lads....

Cienciano · 10-10-2019 1:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Bernardo doesn't face the public. He competes against fellow professionals, that is his core responsibility. They might tack on some stuff with sponsors and fans etc but he is hardly in a client relations role.

Between Instagram and twitter he has 2.5m followers. He faces the public. It was a stupid thing for him to do.

applehunter · 10-10-2019 7:46pm

This is just more liberal left astroturfing.

Nobody cares.

Wasn't there a chant about some black player having a large penis or something and the same people were moaning.

The gentrification of football.:rolleyes:

lawred2 · 11-10-2019 8:30am

Freedom roundabout

jaykay74 · 11-10-2019 8:37am

applehunter wrote: »

This is just more liberal left astroturfing.

Nobody cares.

Wasn't there a chant about some black player having a large penis or something and the same people were moaning.

The gentrification of football.:rolleyes:

Astroturfing, never heard of it, is it some American sh!te lingo ?

It was about Lukaku and he asked them to stop. Maybe he should have not moaned about it ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/romelu-lukaku-chant-song-manchester-united-latest-asks-fan-stop-signing-a7965496.html

lawred2 · 11-10-2019 8:44am

jaykay74 wrote: »

Astroturfing, never heard of it, is it some American sh!te lingo ?

It was about Lukaku and he asked them to stop. Maybe he should have not moaned about it ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/romelu-lukaku-chant-song-manchester-united-latest-asks-fan-stop-signing-a7965496.html

The use of such Americanisms gives me a severe pain behind me eyes.

It's hard to demonstrate how individual and free thinking you are when you are simply lifting and reusing such terms at every opportunity...

There's a tragic irony about mimicking others while thinking you're an enlightened free spirit.

yermandan · 11-10-2019 8:55am

Anyways, Richie's interview about his book blew me away. I can't wait to read it while eating dumplings the size of pears

11-10-2019 11:28am

Still Ill wrote: »

Who got to decide if the 'N' word was racist? Who got to decide if blackface is racist?

Again my main disagreement with Ken is his opinion that it should be just accepted as racism and an immediate apology issued, when it is not actually racist.

Ken mentioned that is not the intent of Bernard Silva that matters, rather the exact action that he took. Which is ridiculous, since a black player doing the same thing to Mendy would not be accused of racism.

I defer to Raheem Sterling and Mendy's opinions on whether it is racist.

And I really admire Pep for having the guts and intelligence to defend his player rather than simply doing the easy thing and raising the white flag unquestioningly and kowtowing to this nonsense.

(Maybe white flag is the wrong term but you get my point).

I do love Ken' s work but I wouldn't necessarily agree with his view on this.

jones · 11-10-2019 2:23pm

"I wouldn't necessarily agree with anything Ken Early says"

Hotblack Desiato · 11-10-2019 7:04pm

"He thinks I'm a twat, basically"

11-10-2019 10:05pm

jones wrote: »

"I wouldn't necessarily agree with anything Ken Early says"

You've picked up on the reference. Fair play to ya (said in John delaney's voice)

tomwaits48 · 15-10-2019 10:21am

Really enjoyed Monday’s pod because I think Ken was either drunk or hungover and on a massive rant.

terrydel · 15-10-2019 11:10am

Still Ill wrote: »

Who got to decide if the 'N' word was racist? Who got to decide if blackface is racist?

Not white people anyway.
The person on the receiving end should be the person who makes the call.

Beersmith · 15-10-2019 11:53am

terrydel wrote: »

Not white people anyway.
The person on the receiving end should be the person who makes the call.

Any job I've been in then the respect policies refer to the fact the offended party doesn't have to be the person that a comment was aimed at. It is standard.

terrydel · 15-10-2019 11:55am

Beersmith wrote: »

Any job I've been in then the respect policies refer to the fact the offended party doesn't have to be the person that a comment was aimed at. It is standard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63M34s8afbo

I personally dont take my moral compass from the corporate world.
If the remark is aimed at a specific person in a specific context, defined by the two people involved, then they set the rules for me.

Beersmith · 15-10-2019 12:10pm

terrydel wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63M34s8afbo

I personally dont take my moral compass from the corporate world.
If the remark is aimed at a specific person in a specific context, defined by the two people involved, then they set the rules for me.

Im not saying anyone should take their moral compass from then but it is standard with companies. Man city being one such company

Cienciano · 15-10-2019 12:15pm

15 minutes about how much Denmark hate us was brilliant. We're like a cockroach to then. I hope we beat them with a shít display like the Georgia game and get a double deflection that goes between Schmeichels legs

Arghus · 15-10-2019 12:56pm

tomwaits48 wrote: »

Really enjoyed Monday’s pod because I think Ken was either drunk or hungover and on a massive rant.

He seemed ranty enough alright, he was so narky about Mick's comment to a journalist, would not stop mentioning it.

Though I think he went OTT on the Aaron Connolly talk. I get it, he thinks he should play, but Ken can sometimes just keep talking and talking about one subject if it takes his fancy.

I thought David Sneyd on Friday was a good foil for him.

EltonJohn69 · 15-10-2019 2:14pm

it is good to hear Ken passionate about football again

humberklog · 15-10-2019 5:38pm

The irish gate crashing Denmark's BBQ was a very funny analogy.

lawred2 · 15-10-2019 5:41pm

humberklog wrote: »

The irish gate crashing Denmark's BBQ was a very funny analogy.

"You goin late!?"

Arghus · 15-10-2019 6:20pm

Ken walking into the door was the travel tale we were all waiting for.

US Murph has been boring the arse off me now for a few years, so when I heard him today going on about the fcking 49er's again I thought, I might have to skip this.

But, I'm glad I didn't because that conversation about the fate of Sports Illustrated was pretty good. Fairly certain Eoin was a mid-century American sports reporter in a previous life - anything to do with quality sports writing and he really gets passionate, which is always interesting. And I shared the sadness about the end of an era.

Beersmith · 15-10-2019 8:43pm

I think the murph SI was abit much, that sort of media has been dead a long time.

Ken into a door was great, especially the description of the gasping laughter still going on as he sat and ate his meal outside.

Love that he talks about something very culturally important but it ends with him doing something hilarious. Bill Bryson like!

We need a Ken travel pod.

I know it was a personal holiday but we really missed kens travel stories from Australia!

Cienciano · 15-10-2019 9:29pm

Think I would have turned around and went home hungry

16-10-2019 11:35am

I had to laugh out loud when, just before interviewing David Epstein, Eoin was giving an update on upcoming pods and dropped in that Ken had landed in Geneva and "has just tweeted about two wasps eating a slice of ham"

Trent Houseboat · 16-10-2019 12:13pm

Cienciano wrote: »

Think I would have turned around and went home hungry

I had actually assumed that's what he had done until he mentioned people laughing at him while he bought and waited for his food. Life must be difficult for a clumsy diabetic.

With regard to US Murph's slot, there are few things in the world sports journos like talking about more that the importance of sports journalism. He laid it on pretty thick and syrupy but superlatives are a mainstay of the American broadcaster.

Robert McGrath · 16-10-2019 10:13pm

Anyone notice the bit in the interview about the 2 hour marathon when Eoin referred to “this generation of runners” meaning the things on your feet made by Nike and his American guest’s answer made it clear he meant “this generation of runners” as the people running marathons.

Two countries separated by the same language ...

lawred2 · 17-10-2019 5:15pm

Eoin 'irrational positivity' Reddan on again

Shane Horgan moments after Eoin's opening spiel straight up says it's probably because he's too close to the current players.

Yeah no ****

Cienciano · 17-10-2019 10:20pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Eoin 'irrational positivity' Reddan on again

Shane Horgan moments after Eoin's opening spiel straight up says it's probably because he's too close to the current players.

Yeah no ****

I find myself skipping Shane Horgan at this stage. I prefer Matt Williams. Shane just doesn't stop talking

dastardly00 · 17-10-2019 10:50pm

I don't know how the lads didn't burst out laughing when Reddan said 'immortality' at the start of the conversation

Arghus · 18-10-2019 2:39am

Eoin Reddan is a dose.

boccy23 · 18-10-2019 8:37am

Murph went full fan mode in his rant about the Galway County Board Chairman.

Thought he left Joe out on a limb in a really awkward position.

Raisins · 18-10-2019 11:03am

boccy23 wrote: »

Murph went full fan mode in his rant about the Galway County Board Chairman.

Thought he left Joe out on a limb in a really awkward position.

Not really. Joe set up that interview to talk about the county board. It was obvious Murph was just saying what he knew joe couldn’t say.

Cienciano · 18-10-2019 2:57pm

Arghus wrote: »

Eoin Reddan is a dose.

I also had to skip Jamie Heaslip. I think it's just Leinster Rugby players are horrible to listen to. They just sound like they wouldn't be out of place in an office meeting doing a powerpoint presentation that's just pie charts of monthly quotas or something. I don't know what it is, think it's the buzzwords they use or something.

Brock Turnpike · 18-10-2019 5:17pm

Cienciano wrote: »

I also had to skip Jamie Heaslip. I think it's just Leinster Rugby players are horrible to listen to. They just sound like they wouldn't be out of place in an office meeting doing a powerpoint presentation that's just pie charts of monthly quotas or something. I don't know what it is, think it's the buzzwords they use or something.

They are awful for the corporate speak, but I did actually enjoy the Heaslip interview. The lads asked some interesting questions of him, rather than just blowing smoke up posterior. I've taken some good learnings from the interview.

Say Your Number · 18-10-2019 6:33pm

I'd love to hear what Canning has to say off the record about the situation.

NeonWolf · 18-10-2019 6:38pm

Irish rugby pundits and ex player’s talk some amount of ****e. Moreso than any other nation to my ear anyway. Sycophantic nonsense , corporate jargon and cliched intangibles such as passion and spirit.

No robust analysis of rugby playing at all. nothing technical about how either team will win.

CatFromHue · 18-10-2019 11:56pm

They do exist but like other sports there's a fair few who don't, or can't, say much of note.

Andy Dunne and ROG are very good.
Murray Kinsella loves getting technical, he just loves breaking down a play.
Shane Horgan, Gordon D'arcy, and Shane Jennings are good from the bits i've seen or heard from them.

There's a fair few who I just pay no attention to. Great players and all but it's a different story being on TV or radio and having to talk about the game.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 19-10-2019 12:37am

I’m still subbed to some NZ based pods and I still listen to NZ media in general. They’re so in depth with their coverage of Irish players, being very afraid of stockdale, Earls etc.

All the Irish media is “passion” “Guile” “lets take it to them” etc.

It’s not just SC guilty of it.

cmac2009 · 19-10-2019 12:19pm

Arghus wrote: »

Eoin Reddan is a dose.

Will he be on the pod on Monday, I certainly hope so.

radharc · 19-10-2019 1:10pm

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

They are awful for the corporate speak, but I did actually enjoy the Heaslip interview. The lads asked some interesting questions of him, rather than just blowing smoke up posterior. I've taken some good learnings from the interview.

I thought the lads were very soft on the doping questions. Though Heaslip’s answers were laughable.

Raoul Duke · 19-10-2019 1:17pm

radharc wrote: »

I thought the lads were very soft on the doping questions. Though Heaslip’s answers were laughable.

What did you want them to ask him?

dulux99 · 19-10-2019 1:19pm

Why is Heaslip on the anti doping board if he thinks he never even played against someone who was doping? Seems like a weird thing to get involved in, if you think it's a totally non issue

NeonWolf · 19-10-2019 3:48pm

Lets see what they all have to say now . I cannot ****ing wait.

NeonWolf · 19-10-2019 3:49pm

radharc wrote: »

I thought the lads were very soft on the doping questions. Though Heaslip’s answers were laughable.

its one big cheerleader circle jerk. Golden goose and all that.

Raoul Duke · 19-10-2019 7:45pm

NeonWolf wrote: »

its one big cheerleader circle jerk. Golden goose and all that.

The Second Captains are in this "circle" are they? Don't think that they've got any golden eggs from... what exactly? Irish rugby's successful years? The Joe Schmidt era?

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