Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread II

TheBoyConor · 24-09-2019 12:03pm

Well yes of course all legitimate manufacturers do that. But I'm talking of the "fella down the road" who makes trailers, often out of the chassis of scrapped lorries and such. Are them sort of fellas still operating? That is the impression i got from the post.

We all see the bale trailers that are cobbled together from truck scraps. Often with extensions added into theh chassis too.

wrangler · 24-09-2019 12:46pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

i often wonder about this. If some random fella is making trailers on an ad hoc basis with no formal engineering design and certification and sans any sort of braking system, what is the position when an accident happens or someone is injured while using the trailer? Will the user be insured? Will the manufacturer have products liability cover if the trailer was faulty or dangerous by design? Will the user or manufacturer be prosecuted for supplying/using an untested or uncertified trailer?

Sounds extreme I know but as they say it is all fine and grand until something goes wrong and someone is injured and has their solicitor on a crusade for compensation and will find any and every little detail to nail you on.

I see it with car trailers especially. Things cobbled together by some fella who thought himself handy with a welder and the thing is bombing up the road at 100km/hr bouncing all over the place with ne'er a brake or spring.

Especially nowadays when most tractors are 50km/hr and everything is much larger and heavier, the risks are much higher. Obviously a boreen chop shop welding up trailers from old lorry bodies isn't going to have the means to model the trailer and test it for dangerous handling or other funny behaviour in the way the designers of a more formal engineering firm would probably do. And importantly, testing of the welds.

I remember we had a chop shop grain trailer years ago and it was leathal on the road. When laden it would get into scary harmonic surges that would keep getting worse and worse until the front axle of the tractor started lifting off of the road. And this was at 30km/hr.

I'd imagine if such a trailer was made today, sold and subsequently was found to have been the main cause of a serious accident, the owner and/or manufacturer would be ridden rock solid by the courts.

I got a similar lecture from a guy nearly as soon as I put up the ad before telling me it was worth about 2500.
Next morning at 8 oclock I got a phone call from another guy asking was that my dog in the cage in the yard, he had phoned the night before but didn't say he was coming.
The first guy phoned at 9 oclock, it was with great pleasure I told him it was sold.....he couldn't believe it

enricoh · 24-09-2019 1:26pm

wrangler wrote: »

There was a fine trailer at the ploughing last year lift off cattle body and hydraulic ramps at the back for machinery,,,,,,,,, something like €26000 + vat
Can't just find it now, but here's an example
https://herbstmachinery.com/product/livestock-trailer/

I'd be getting the welder out myself- 26k +vat for that yoke! Was down at the ploughing and thought that machinery prices are off the wall nowadays.

wrangler · 24-09-2019 1:41pm

enricoh wrote: »

I'd be getting the welder out myself- 26k +vat for that yoke! Was down at the ploughing and thought that machinery prices are off the wall nowadays.

That pic was just an example of a lift off cattle body.

This is the real trailer I was referring to that cost 23000+vat.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/novel-3-in-1-trailer-launched-at-the-ploughing/

emaherx · 24-09-2019 2:00pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

i often wonder about this. If some random fella is making trailers on an ad hoc basis with no formal engineering design and certification and sans any sort of braking system, what is the position when an accident happens or someone is injured while using the trailer? Will the user be insured? Will the manufacturer have products liability cover if the trailer was faulty or dangerous by design? Will the user or manufacturer be prosecuted for supplying/using an untested or uncertified trailer?

Sounds extreme I know but as they say it is all fine and grand until something goes wrong and someone is injured and has their solicitor on a crusade for compensation and will find any and every little detail to nail you on.

I see it with car trailers especially. Things cobbled together by some fella who thought himself handy with a welder and the thing is bombing up the road at 100km/hr bouncing all over the place with ne'er a brake or spring.

Especially nowadays when most tractors are 50km/hr and everything is much larger and heavier, the risks are much higher. Obviously a boreen chop shop welding up trailers from old lorry bodies isn't going to have the means to model the trailer and test it for dangerous handling or other funny behaviour in the way the designers of a more formal engineering firm would probably do. And importantly, testing of the welds.

I remember we had a chop shop grain trailer years ago and it was leathal on the road. When laden it would get into scary harmonic surges that would keep getting worse and worse until the front axle of the tractor started lifting off of the road. And this was at 30km/hr.

I'd imagine if such a trailer was made today, sold and subsequently was found to have been the main cause of a serious accident, the owner and/or manufacturer would be ridden rock solid by the courts.

Home made trailers are actually perfectly legal. They are restricted for use below 40kph unless certified and plated to say otherwise.

But it is possible to have any suitable trailer certified and plated there are companies who will assess them.

You are probably right about liability of manufacturers and owners if found to be a factor in a road accident though

Albert Johnson · 24-09-2019 2:27pm

wrangler wrote: »

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Whats the idea of the walkway on the roof? Is it used often?

I don't think I was ever up on the walkway, it there was only sheep in it since 2006

There was a dividing gate in it too...... you'd need it in anything over 15ft

That trailer looks a fine job to be fair although the one criticism I'd have of it is the lack of side vents especially if you'd be hauling loads of sheep. In warm weather I'd imagine there wouldn't be much air circulating through the body which could cause casualties with full loads if you weren't careful. If it was mainly a cattle trailer then this wouldn't really be an issue.

TheBoyConor · 24-09-2019 2:42pm

emaherx wrote: »

Home made trailers are actually perfectly legal. They are restricted for use below 40kph unless certified and plated to say otherwise.

But it is possible to have any suitable trailer certified and plated there are companies who will assess them.

You are probably right about liability of manufacturers and owners if found to be a factor in a road accident though

I see. That is fine in theory but in practice how can you be sure that someone doesn't hitch up to it with a 50k tractor or a FastTrac and then go and get in an accident. It would have to be strictly controlled. The only way i could think of it being a safe system is for the trailer to have a different hitch type than the rest of the trailers and the 50k tractors on the farm so that only the sub 40k tractors can haul it. Even that is a system that can break down and will be troublesome in practice.

Even if it is perfectly legal and above board, there will always be a question mark above it if there is an accident. I would think it would be too much of a risk having a chop shop trailer on the fleet.

Safest bet is just not to have any of that type of thing and only have legitimately engineered and manufactured, plated trailers. At least then there is no question mark over their design or fitness for purpose should something happen.

wrangler · 24-09-2019 3:02pm

Albert Johnson wrote: »

That trailer looks a fine job to be fair although the one criticism I'd have of it is the lack of side vents especially if you'd be hauling loads of sheep. In warm weather I'd imagine there wouldn't be much air circulating through the body which could cause casualties with full loads if you weren't careful. If it was mainly a cattle trailer then this wouldn't really be an issue.

Sheep wouldn't be in it very long but it would get warm some days, never lost one in it anyway.

Grueller · 24-09-2019 3:13pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I see. That is fine in theory but in practice how can you be sure that someone doesn't hitch up to it with a 50k tractor or a FastTrac and then go and get in an accident. It would have to be strictly controlled. The only way i could think of it being a safe system is for the trailer to have a different hitch type than the rest of the trailers and the 50k tractors on the farm so that only the sub 40k tractors can haul it. Even that is a system that can break down and will be troublesome in practice.

Even if it is perfectly legal and above board, there will always be a question mark above it if there is an accident. I would think it would be too much of a risk having a chop shop trailer on the fleet.

Safest bet is just not to have any of that type of thing and only have legitimately engineered and manufactured, plated trailers. At least then there is no question mark over their design or fitness for purpose should something happen.

While I agree with you, it is foolproof on my farm as I have only one roadgoing tractor and it is 30k;)

emaherx · 24-09-2019 3:44pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I see. That is fine in theory but in practice how can you be sure that someone doesn't hitch up to it with a 50k tractor or a FastTrac and then go and get in an accident. It would have to be strictly controlled. The only way i could think of it being a safe system is for the trailer to have a different hitch type than the rest of the trailers and the 50k tractors on the farm so that only the sub 40k tractors can haul it. Even that is a system that can break down and will be troublesome in practice.

Even if it is perfectly legal and above board, there will always be a question mark above it if there is an accident. I would think it would be too much of a risk having a chop shop trailer on the fleet.

Safest bet is just not to have any of that type of thing and only have legitimately engineered and manufactured, plated trailers. At least then there is no question mark over their design or fitness for purpose should something happen.

You don't need to be sure someone doesn't hook it up to a 50K tractor as that is their responsibility same could be said about someone hooking up a certified well engineered and plated 40K trailer and pulling it at 70k up the motorway behind a fast tractor as they would be equally liable. Such stupidity removes the liability from the trailer builder and places it completely on the driver.

bamayang · 24-09-2019 4:05pm

TheBoyConor wrote: »

I see. That is fine in theory but in practice how can you be sure that someone doesn't hitch up to it with a 50k tractor or a FastTrac and then go and get in an accident. It would have to be strictly controlled. The only way i could think of it being a safe system is for the trailer to have a different hitch type than the rest of the trailers and the 50k tractors on the farm so that only the sub 40k tractors can haul it. Even that is a system that can break down and will be troublesome in practice.

Even if it is perfectly legal and above board, there will always be a question mark above it if there is an accident. I would think it would be too much of a risk having a chop shop trailer on the fleet.

Safest bet is just not to have any of that type of thing and only have legitimately engineered and manufactured, plated trailers. At least then there is no question mark over their design or fitness for purpose should something happen.

Thats a strange comment. If its perfectly legal and above board, then thats all there is to it.
If somebody has an accident, something else has failed and should be investigated the same as if an accident happened with the €26K trailer quoted above.

While I dont believe it the case, your comment sounds as if it is coming from someone who sells trailers... non chop-shop type obviously.

maidhc · 24-09-2019 4:33pm

bamayang wrote: »

Thats a strange comment. If its perfectly legal and above board, then thats all there is to it.
If somebody has an accident, something else has failed and should be investigated the same as if an accident happened with the €26K trailer quoted above.

While I dont believe it the case, your comment sounds as if it is coming from someone who sells trailers... non chop-shop type obviously.

The is an old saying that "no one gets fired for buying IBM". Law in this regard isn't much different. If you have a trailer that is cobbled together from three different bedfords and something breaks it is easy to point the finger. If you bought the best available then you are in the clear.

In fairness trailers made from old trucks are bodges of yokes for the most part anyway. A truck chassis is very different by design to a trailer one.

emaherx · 24-09-2019 4:41pm

maidhc wrote: »

The is an old saying that "no one gets fired for buying IBM". Law in this regard isn't much different. If you have a trailer that is cobbled together from three different bedfords and something breaks it is easy to point the finger. If you bought the best available then you are in the clear.

In fairness trailers made from old trucks are bodges of yokes for the most part anyway. A truck chassis is very different by design to a trailer one.

True, but not all home built trailers are cobbled together from old trucks either. Plenty of factory built trailers unsuitable for road use due to neglect too.

tractorporn · 24-09-2019 6:47pm

enricoh wrote: »

I'd be getting the welder out myself- 26k +vat for that yoke! Was down at the ploughing and thought that machinery prices are off the wall nowadays.

I thought the same last week. Are machinery manufacturers getting close to pricing themselves out of smaller markets like Ireland? The 113hp Kubota was 60k + vat, the 105 Massey was 80k + vat a d the 824 cent was 200k + vat. Not too many operations could justify spending like that. Second hands might end up very expensive yet

Say my name · 24-09-2019 9:21pm

Reggie's next run around.

https://youtu.be/tVMQJv54ywI

Albert Johnson · 24-09-2019 9:29pm

Say my name wrote: »

Reggie's next run around.

https://youtu.be/tVMQJv54ywI

A 16" Porter cattle trailer would be some job behind it for the yearly pilgrimage to the mart. Looks to be a total animal of a yoke, it would definitely turn a few heads when you'd pull up at a filling station for a breakfast roll!

Reggie. · 24-09-2019 9:53pm

Say my name wrote: »

Reggie's next run around.

https://youtu.be/tVMQJv54ywI

Oh yess

Say my name · 24-09-2019 9:56pm

Albert Johnson wrote: »

A 16" Porter cattle trailer would be some job behind it for the yearly pilgrimage to the mart. Looks to be a total animal of a yoke, it would definitely turn a few heads when you'd pull up at a filling station for a breakfast roll!

3,500 kg towing capacity.
The Toyota landcruiser is 3,000 kgs I think and the Discovery is similar with 3,500 kg.
It's not really ground-breaking but it looks the part.

What you'd want for your job is a Unimog. :pac:

Military use the Daily 4x4 though. I think the Irish defence forces have one or two.

Albert Johnson · 24-09-2019 10:09pm

Say my name wrote: »

Albert Johnson wrote: »

A 16" Porter cattle trailer would be some job behind it for the yearly pilgrimage to the mart. Looks to be a total animal of a yoke, it would definitely turn a few heads when you'd pull up at a filling station for a breakfast roll!

3,500 kg towing capacity.
The Toyota landcruiser is 3,000 kgs I think and the Discovery is similar with 3,500 kg.
It's not really ground-breaking but it looks the part.

What you'd want for your job is a Unimog. :pac:

Military use the Daily 4x4 though. I think the Irish defence forces have one or two.

I thought the newer shape Land cruiser (2010 on) were only rated to 2500kg but am open to correction on this. The 2003-2010 model are 3000kg and the pre 03 model was 3500kg to the best of my knowledge. It's something I'm always amazed by that towing capacity is so low across the entire range of jeeps in our market.

Having looked at the entire video they haven't really produced anything revolutionary imo. It's basically a van on steroids with a price to match and is a niche product. Having said that it definitely wins in the "I've the most impressive looking off road vehicle stake's". As regards the Unimog I know nothing about them although I often meet one around Carraroe in Sligo that seems to be used as a farm vehicle.

Say my name · 24-09-2019 10:27pm

Albert Johnson wrote: »

I thought the newer shape Land cruiser (2010 on) were only rated to 2500kg but am open to correction on this. The 2003-2010 model are 3000kg and the pre 03 model was 3500kg to the best of my knowledge. It's something I'm always amazed by that towing capacity is so low across the entire range of jeeps in our market.

Having looked at the entire video they haven't really produced anything revolutionary imo. It's basically a van on steroids with a price to match and is a niche product. Having said that it definitely wins in the "I've the most impressive looking off road vehicle stake's". As regards the Unimog I know nothing about them although I often meet one around Carraroe in Sligo that seems to be used as a farm vehicle.

You could be right on the towing capacity.
I think the 3,000 kg could be for models not available on the Irish market? Info came from a uk site.

Going back to the Daily. You can get them with a pto as well for whatever implement takes your fancy.

https://www.iveco-dealership.co.uk/new-vehicles/daily-4x4

Although the way things are going with diesel you'd want it powered on bio methane or something..

blue5000 · 24-09-2019 11:02pm

Say my name wrote: »

Reggie's next run around.

https://youtu.be/tVMQJv54ywI

I heard of €900 labour for changing a timing belt though.

TheBoyConor · 25-09-2019 9:50am

emaherx wrote: »

You don't need to be sure someone doesn't hook it up to a 50K tractor as that is their responsibility same could be said about someone hooking up a certified well engineered and plated 40K trailer and pulling it at 70k up the motorway behind a fast tractor as they would be equally liable. Such stupidity removes the liability from the trailer builder and places it completely on the driver.

That is true to an extent, it is their fault mostly for hitching up to the trailer with the fast tractor. But, in the event of a claim against you a plaintiff could argue that by having 50k tractors capable of hitching up to a cobbled together sub 40k trailer, that you had an unsafe system of work because that unsafe situation could happen by oversight.
That is why I suggested different hitch types so a 50k tractor couldn't physically be hitched to the trailer. Much much safer and less chance of a dangerous vehicle being on the road. It would also put you in a good position of something did happen because if someone, an employee, intentionally swapped hitches so they could haul the old trailer knowing it was not legal or safe, then they would be full in the wrong. But then they will probably argue they were inadequatly trained or instructed.

Also because the trailer wouldn't be a properly engineered design, a plaintiff could argue that all sorts of elements of the trailer were incorrect, insufficient, badly built or otherwise unsafe. Look it might be a pure fine trailer but the barristers job will to be nitpick at every little detail to eat away at your position and make you look bad.

Lol, I can assure you I don't make or sell trailers! But at 26k a pop maybe I should......

wrangler · 25-09-2019 10:00am

TheBoyConor wrote: »

That is true to an extent, it is their fault mostly for hitching up to the trailer with the fast tractor. But, in the event of a claim against you a plaintiff could argue that by having 50k tractors capable of hitching up to a cobbled together sub 40k trailer, that you had an unsafe system of work because that unsafe situation could happen by oversight.
That is why I suggested different hitch types so a 50k tractor couldn't physically be hitched to the trailer. Much much safer and less chance of a dangerous vehicle being on the road. It would also put you in a good position of something did happen because if someone, an employee, intentionally swapped hitches so they could haul the old trailer knowing it was not legal or safe, then they would be full in the wrong. But then they will probably argue they were inadequatly trained or instructed.

Also because the trailer wouldn't be a properly engineered design, a plaintiff could argue that all sorts of elements of the trailer were incorrect, insufficient, badly built or otherwise unsafe. Look it might be a pure fine trailer but the barristers job will to be nitpick at every little detail to eat away at your position and make you look bad.

Lol, I can assure you I don't make or sell trailers! But at 26k a pop maybe I should......

I posted shutters on here that I was making for my cattle shed here a few mths ago.
I asked a local engineering firm for a quote for five and they came up with €2800, I did it myself after and paid €950 for the steel etc. and probably wasn't dealing in the cheapest place either.
There's probably an opening for that sort of industry now with all the dairy expansion

emaherx · 25-09-2019 10:33am

TheBoyConor wrote: »

That is true to an extent, it is their fault mostly for hitching up to the trailer with the fast tractor. But, in the event of a claim against you a plaintiff could argue that by having 50k tractors capable of hitching up to a cobbled together sub 40k trailer, that you had an unsafe system of work because that unsafe situation could happen by oversight.
That is why I suggested different hitch types so a 50k tractor couldn't physically be hitched to the trailer. Much much safer and less chance of a dangerous vehicle being on the road. It would also put you in a good position of something did happen because if someone, an employee, intentionally swapped hitches so they could haul the old trailer knowing it was not legal or safe, then they would be full in the wrong. But then they will probably argue they were inadequatly trained or instructed.

Also because the trailer wouldn't be a properly engineered design, a plaintiff could argue that all sorts of elements of the trailer were incorrect, insufficient, badly built or otherwise unsafe. Look it might be a pure fine trailer but the barristers job will to be nitpick at every little detail to eat away at your position and make you look bad.

Lol, I can assure you I don't make or sell trailers! But at 26k a pop maybe I should......

You're different hitch solution wouldn't work. The highest speed rated Agri trailers already require a different hitch, ball spoon type, but the highest speed tractors come with clevis type hitches also, meaning they can pull anything. It is the responsibility of the driver to drive at appropriate speed for trailer in tow. Ignorance is not a defence on the matter.

The fastest you can tow any trailer legally is 80kph I see many Jeeps with trailers traveling in excess of 120 kph on motorways regularly no amount of selections of hitches will prevent someone from speeding.

You may be right on the barristers nit picking but it is the case that a home made trailer can be certified if that's your concern, however any trailer certified or not can deteriorate over time and have defects which can come into question.
And I agree there are plenty of cobbled together unsafe monstrosities on the road that shouldn't be. Also many older factory/engineering shop built trailers have no plates but are still perfectly serviceable. A plate fitted to a trailer only suggests it was safe the day it was fitted.

wrangler · 25-09-2019 4:50pm

emaherx wrote: »

You're different hitch solution wouldn't work. The highest speed rated Agri trailers already require a different hitch, ball spoon type, but the highest speed tractors come with clevis type hitches also, meaning they can pull anything. It is the responsibility of the driver to drive at appropriate speed for trailer in tow. Ignorance is not a defence on the matter.

The fastest you can tow any trailer legally is 80kph I see many Jeeps with trailers traveling in excess of 120 kph on motorways regularly no amount of selections of hitches will prevent someone from speeding.

You may be right on the barristers nit picking but it is the case that a home made trailer can be certified if that's your concern, however any trailer certified or not can deteriorate over time and have defects which can come into question.
And I agree there are plenty of cobbled together unsafe monstrosities on the road that shouldn't be. Also many older factory/engineering shop built trailers have no plates but are still perfectly serviceable. A plate fitted to a trailer only suggests it was safe the day it was fitted.

You're in the way at 80 on the motorway, lorries have to crawl out in the outside lane to get by and stay out for about 2 kms to get by

25-09-2019 5:18pm

wrangler wrote: »

emaherx wrote: »

You're different hitch solution wouldn't work. The highest speed rated Agri trailers already require a different hitch, ball spoon type, but the highest speed tractors come with clevis type hitches also, meaning they can pull anything. It is the responsibility of the driver to drive at appropriate speed for trailer in tow. Ignorance is not a defence on the matter.

The fastest you can tow any trailer legally is 80kph I see many Jeeps with trailers traveling in excess of 120 kph on motorways regularly no amount of selections of hitches will prevent someone from speeding.

You may be right on the barristers nit picking but it is the case that a home made trailer can be certified if that's your concern, however any trailer certified or not can deteriorate over time and have defects which can come into question.
And I agree there are plenty of cobbled together unsafe monstrosities on the road that shouldn't be. Also many older factory/engineering shop built trailers have no plates but are still perfectly serviceable. A plate fitted to a trailer only suggests it was safe the day it was fitted.

You're in the way at 80 on the motorway, lorries have to crawl out in the outside lane to get by and stay out for about 2 kms to get by

Thats probably why its illegal for lorries to use the outside lane on a motorway

wrangler · 25-09-2019 5:29pm

9935452 wrote: »

Thats probably why its illegal for lorries to use the outside lane on a motorway

I didn't know that, all the more reason not to be in their way

2018na · 25-09-2019 5:36pm

wrangler wrote: »

I didn't know that, all the more reason not to be in their way

Only illegal on a three lane motorway

emaherx · 25-09-2019 5:41pm

2018na wrote: »

Only illegal on a three lane motorway

Illegal on all motorways.

emaherx · 25-09-2019 5:43pm

wrangler wrote: »

You're in the way at 80 on the motorway, lorries have to crawl out in the outside lane to get by and stay out for about 2 kms to get by

Lorries max speed limit is 90kph and aren't allowed in outside lane so can't see that as a reason to speed with Jeep/trailer at 120kph.

High speed tractors are allowed to travel on motorway also at much lower speeds.

wrangler · 25-09-2019 5:47pm

emaherx wrote: »

Lorries max speed limit is 90kph and aren't allowed in outside lane so can't see that as a reason to speed with Jeep/trailer at 120kph.

I would always drive at 100Km /hr to keep out of the lorries way, never see a speed trap on the motorway

dzer2 · 25-09-2019 5:47pm

Thats probably why its illegal for lorries to use the outside lane on a motorway[/quote]

Not true lorries cannot use the outside lane on 3 lane carriage ways

emaherx · 25-09-2019 5:49pm

wrangler wrote: »

I would always drive at 100Km /hr to keep out of the lorries way, never see a speed trap on the motorway

You obviously don't travel the M3. Also big difference between you traveling at 100 kph and the idiots I was referring to driving in excess of 120kph

emaherx · 25-09-2019 5:54pm

dzer2 wrote: »

Not true lorries cannot use the outside lane on 3 lane carriage ways

From RSA

Do not use the outside lane if you are driving:
• a goods vehicle with a maximum authorised mass (MAM) of more than 3,500 kilogrammes such as a lorry or heavy goods vehicle;
• a vehicle towing a trailer, horsebox or caravan.
You may use it, however, in exceptional circumstances when you cannot proceed in the inner lane because of an obstruction ahead.

Base price · 25-09-2019 5:58pm

dzer2 wrote: »

Thats probably why its illegal for lorries to use the outside lane on a motorway

Not true lorries cannot use the outside lane on 3 lane carriage ways[/QUOTE]
HGV with a MAM of over 3500kgs and vehicles towing a trailer/caravan cannot use the outside lane of a motorway unless under exceptional circumstances where the inside lane is obstructed.

25-09-2019 6:15pm

Its a penalty point offence to drive a vehicle subject to an ordinary speed limit of 90k or less in the outside lane of a motorway

Reggie. · 25-09-2019 7:46pm

wrangler wrote: »

I didn't know that, all the more reason not to be in their way

Lorries are supposed to be restricted to 80kph aswell

emaherx · 25-09-2019 7:55pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Lorries are supposed to be restricted to 80kph aswell

Was increased to 90kph

Reggie. · 25-09-2019 8:20pm

emaherx wrote: »

Was increased to 90kph

Good to know

wrangler · 25-09-2019 9:07pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Good to know

Most trucks on the motorway are doing 95+

dzer2 · 25-09-2019 9:38pm

wrangler wrote: »

Reggie. wrote: »

Good to know

Most trucks on the motorway are doing 95+

They all have limiters fitted but they are very easily over ridden.

Reggie. · 25-09-2019 9:45pm

wrangler wrote: »

Most trucks on the motorway are doing 95+

That doesn't make then legal

wrangler · 25-09-2019 10:15pm

dzer2 wrote: »

They all have limiters fitted but they are very easily over ridden.

There's a tolerance on speed limits, so there's probably a tolerance on speed limiters too, trucks seem to all drive between 90 and 100

bogman_bass · 26-09-2019 7:54am

If iou went to court and said “Your Honor, I was only speeding so other drivers were not inconvenienced” i’d Say you wouldn’t get much sympathy.
The speed limit for towing a trailer on a motorway remains 80kmph

Keep Sluicing · 26-09-2019 8:33am

There was a machinery dealer lorry pulled into the entrance to my farm a feww days ago, 2 slurry pumps on the back and he wss towing a slurry tanker. It was a galvanised 1100 gallon tank with dribble bar.

I was heading out so i asked who he was looking for. Neighbouring farmer that milks 30 to 35 cows.

Bullocks · 26-09-2019 8:36am

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

There was a machinery dealer lorry pulled into the entrance to my farm a feww days ago, 2 slurry pumps on the back and he wss towing a slurry tanker. It was a galvanised 1100 gallon tank with dribble bar.

I was heading out so i asked who he was looking for. Neighbouring farmer that milks 30 to 35 cows.

Imagine the scandal if he was a suckler calving 30 to 35 cows! Now that would put the neighbours talking rightly haha

MfMan · 26-09-2019 3:33pm

emaherx wrote: »

Illegal on all motorways.

Can lorries legally use the outside lane to overtake slower vehicles on the inside?
Saw an old man t'other day on the M17 in a 35x drawing an 8x4 cattle box. Cops would have gone to town on him.

wrangler · 26-09-2019 5:59pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

If iou went to court and said “Your Honor, I was only speeding so other drivers were not inconvenienced” i’d Say you wouldn’t get much sympathy.
The speed limit for towing a trailer on a motorway remains 80kmph

I have never got points so will carry on till I do, Lorries don't want you stuck in front of them, I delivered lambs this morning and most of the lorries that I tailed were doing nearer to 100 than 90.......normally I'd be gone out by them but this discussion had me curious.
maybe the hilux is wrong, must check it with the puegeot, I seldom abide by the speed limit with that either.
I'd go to Camolin regular, must be 190kms motorway, never see a speed van

emaherx · 26-09-2019 7:11pm

wrangler wrote: »

I have never got points so will carry on till I do, Lorries don't want you stuck in front of them, I delivered lambs this morning and most of the lorries that I tailed were doing nearer to 100 than 90.......normally I'd be gone out by them but this discussion had me curious.
maybe the hilux is wrong, must check it with the puegeot, I seldom abide by the speed limit with that either.
I'd go to Camolin regular, must be 190kms motorway, never see a speed van

If you are doing 100 by the clock on your Hilux you probably are doing closer to 90.

emaherx · 26-09-2019 7:16pm

MfMan wrote: »

Can lorries legally use the outside lane to overtake slower vehicles on the inside?
Saw an old man t'other day on the M17 in a 35x drawing an 8x4 cattle box. Cops would have gone to town on him.

No is the simple answer.
However a 35x is taking the piss, I'm sure any Guard who came across a lorry passing that wouldn't be concerned with the lorry.

Suppose lorry driver could claim the 35 was an obstruction in the inside lane? In which case maybe?

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