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Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

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    #542
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    All this carry out just shows what an evil lot the current American government is. The sad thing is when hopefully America gets a proper government again, no one is going to trust any American agreement over fear that 'the devil's handmaid government' could re-emerge.
    Our current government runs just fine… thank you very much. The ‘agreement’ you speak of existed only between Iran and Obama, not America. Obama made that agreement through executive order because he knew he could never get such a terrible deal ratified through Congress. Bottom line… what is done through executive order can be undone through executive order. Iran and every country knows this. Every executive order made by President Trump can be undone by President Alexandria Ocasio-Cortex in 2025. ;)

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #543
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,421 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    UNFORTUNATELY I KNOW IT IS REAL LIFE. It SHOULDN'T BE but it is. Those idiots in charge of America are all involved in reality TV trash and probably think they can do The Handmaid's Tale: The Reality Show as well and SPECTRE: The Reality Show as well. Evil lot. When we are talking about that lot (Bolton, Pompeo, and the other dunces), we are talking about idiotic imbeciles. The current American government are a crowd of extortionists and nothing else. They are 100% UNFIT for government and cannot rise above their petty hatreds. And probably if Trump gets to watch Batman Begins with Wayne Tower, he probably thinks he is Batman as well. Only he cannot be because he is friends with too many crooked jokers!

    Just for clarity

    9 of your last 10 posts in this thread
    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    The Handmaid's Tale
    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    'the devil's handmaid government'
    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    One can compare them to The Handmaid's Tale
    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    'The Republic of Gilead'
    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    going to watch The Handmaid's Tale = not a bad idea.
    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    Commander Fred in The Handmaid's Tale graphic novel is based on Bolton. The Handmaid's Tale is the ONLY place Bolton should be
    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    those Gilead guys in The Handmaid's Tale.
    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    cops onto this James Bond-meets-The Handmaid's Tale plot that is going on. SPECTRE and Gilead are real and have major influence on the American regime at the moment.
    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    Trump should declare war on Commander John Bolton and tell him to go back to Gilead where he belongs. - Commander Fred in Hulu's TV series. Never fear, John Bolton and his moustache star as Commander Fred in the graphic novel version of The Handmaid's Tale!!


    Post this sh/te in the conspiracy forum for god sake it's clogging this thread up!


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    #544
    nacho libre
    Registered Users Posts: 16,656 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    All this carry out just shows what an evil lot the current American government is. The sad thing is when hopefully America gets a proper government again, no one is going to trust any American agreement over fear that 'the devil's handmaid government' could re-emerge.

    Tell me more about this tv show:) Your analysis is wrong, those looking for scraps from the table will always believe the American narrative, if that means collective amnesia regarding past events, citing extenuating circumstance, or the classic deflection line: yes, but look what the other side are doing, so be it


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    #545
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Trump in rant mood today, new comments about Iran.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1143529907403788288


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    #546
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Gatling wrote: »
    They have been doing this the last 4 + decades already.

    They usually have carrier groups based in and around the gulf decades too

    Not true international martimate force is a new suggestion. It alleged the Iranians planted limpet mines on the side of ships and got away with it. What going to happen here is them 24 hours a day watching for alleged Iranian agression and then intervening if they see them doing anything.

    By the way most of US destroyers and aircraft carriers patrol in the Persian gulf, they don't sail up and down the strait of Hormuz watching everything. They use drones for that.


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    #547
    The Late Late Show
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    That's a lot od crazy to digest in one sitting, I'm gonna need a coffee for this one :rolleyes:

    You should be used to it all after 14 months of these dunces and their Breitbart-inspired drivel.


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    #548
    The Late Late Show
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Just for clarity

    9 of your last 10 posts in this thread

    Post this sh/te in the conspiracy forum for god sake it's clogging this thread up!

    I will leave the conspiracy theorists to the @RealDonaldTrump site and the dunces of the regime over in you know where! They are the masters of the conspiracy theories such as Iraq having capability to destroy the Western city of their choice in 45 minutes and all the other 'gems'.


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    #549
    The Late Late Show
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Our current government runs just fine… thank you very much. The ‘agreement’ you speak of existed only between Iran and Obama, not America. Obama made that agreement through executive order because he knew he could never get such a terrible deal ratified through Congress. Bottom line… what is done through executive order can be undone through executive order. Iran and every country knows this. Every executive order made by President Trump can be undone by President Alexandria Ocasio-Cortex in 2025. ;)

    It is NEVER a good idea to break agreements. Renegotiate and expand them, improve them? Yes but cancel them with NO PLAN? STUPID. The current regime only exited this agreement because of Bolton's obsession with the MeK and his hatred of Obama. Another war caused by Bolton in the Middle East is the last thing the world needs and let's hope Trump wakes up the dunces he let into his government. Pompeo is a big fat clown and Bolton is a dangerous warmonger.


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    #550
    jackboy
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    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    And probably if Trump gets to watch Batman Begins with Wayne Tower, he probably thinks he is Batman as well. Only he cannot be because he is friends with too many crooked jokers!

    I dont agree with you but this type of commentry is highly entertaining. Much better than your handmaids tale material.


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    #551
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    UNFORTUNATELY I KNOW IT IS REAL LIFE. It SHOULDN'T BE but it is. Those idiots in charge of America are all involved in reality TV trash and probably think they can do The Handmaid's Tale: The Reality Show as well and SPECTRE: The Reality Show as well. Evil lot. When we are talking about that lot (Bolton, Pompeo, and the other dunces), we are talking about idiotic imbeciles. The current American government are a crowd of extortionists and nothing else. They are 100% UNFIT for government and cannot rise above their petty hatreds. And probably if Trump gets to watch Batman Begins with Wayne Tower, he probably thinks he is Batman as well. Only he cannot be because he is friends with too many crooked jokers!

    Iran was on the PNAC hit list along with North Korea and Syria. The likes of of that sh!tbag Bolton and his backers haven't strayed from the plan they had twenty years ago and their evil is so myopic they literally don't care if they start WW3.


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    #552
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    It is NEVER a good idea to break agreements. Renegotiate and expand them, improve them? Yes but cancel them with NO PLAN? STUPID. The current regime only exited this agreement because of Bolton's obsession with the MeK and his hatred of Obama. Another war caused by Bolton in the Middle East is the last thing the world needs and let's hope Trump wakes up the dunces he let into his government. Pompeo is a big fat clown and Bolton is a dangerous warmonger.

    Trump and Bolton and Pompeo, oh my! Sorry, but things seem to be going along swimmingly at the moment. No war... you should be happy about that.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #553
    archer22
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Trump in rant mood today, new comments about Iran.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1143529907403788288

    Just a big fat old baby having a tantrum (or tantrump :)) and throwing his toys out of the pram cos Iran won't cave in as expected and he doesn't know what to do next.


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    #554
    Gatling
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    Interesting how trump mentioned the ieds in Iraq ,


    ....Iran’s very ignorant and insulting statement, put out today, only shows that they do not understand reality. Any attack by Iran on anything American will be met with great and overwhelming force. In some areas, overwhelming will mean obliteration. No more John Kerry & Obama


    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1143529907403788288
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    #555
    Cheerful Spring2
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    archer22 wrote: »
    Just a big fat old baby having a tantrum (or tantrump :)) and throwing his toys out of the pram cos Iran won't cave in as expected and he doesn't know what to do next.

    This is the problem, it only going to take one more incident in this region, and Trump will likely carry out the strike for real this time.

    Frightening aspect, is nobody sure who exactly planted the limpets mines over the last month.

    If its Iran whos doing it, they can pull back or continue doing it, but they have choice.

    If someone else doing it, a bad player in the region? Or a covert action by bad folks in the US- there very high risk some other event will be staged soon.


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    #556
    specky4eyes
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    nthclare wrote: »
    So if Hezbollah are Shi'as are they in Palestine and supposedly protecting the Palestinians from the Zionists...

    I often wonder why Israel was never attacked by the Salafists....

    I'll try make this as simple as possible.

    Hezbollah are Shia, they were formed in Lebanon in 1982 as a resistance movement after Israel invaded Lebanon, Hezbollah are now part of the Lebanese government, they have a political wing and a militant wing.
    Hezbollah are much stronger than the official Lebanese army with whom they generally get along.

    The three main politicians in Lebanon are the president, (Christian)
    The Speaker of the Parliament, (Shia Muslim)
    The Prime Minister, (Sunni Muslim)

    The majority of seats in the Lebanese government are filled with Christians.

    Hezbollah are backed and supported by Iran and Syria, Hezbollah are mainly Shia but have Christians in their ranks and fought alongside Christian militias against ISIS.

    Hamas live, struggle, rule and fight in Gaza, occupied Palestine (Israel), they are Sunni Muslim mainly and are allies of Hezbollah, although Hezbollah removed some Hamas members from Lebanon in 2013 because they backed some groups fighting against Assad, the west bank is run by the PLO/Fatah/Palestinian authority (all the same), Hamas and the Palestinian authority had a little power struggle which is now over about which party were the true rulers of the Palestinian people.

    Palestinians consist of Muslim and Christian and they get along, respect each others religions and Hamas and Fatah have Christian volunteer fighters, the common enemy is the zionist entity who regularly damage Muslim and Christian places of worship in the occupied west bank.


    And the reason the Wahhabi/Salafist's never attacked Israel is because they are allies, Israel routinely treated injured ISIS/Al Nursa fighters in field hospitals in northern Israel when they were trying to establish the caliphate in Syria.


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    #557
    Gatling
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

    If someone else doing it, a bad player in the region? Or a covert action by bad folks in the US- there very high risk some other event will be staged soon.

    Like blowing up tall buildings in America
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    #558
    notobtuse
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    archer22 wrote: »
    Just a big fat old baby having a tantrum (or tantrump :)) and throwing his toys out of the pram cos Iran won't cave in as expected and he doesn't know what to do next.
    I think Trump very well does know what he’s doing. He didn’t fall into the trap of Iran wanting to get into a limited war with the US. A war over a unmanned drone and a couple of oil tankers would be very limited and would solidify support of the Iranian people and keep the Mullahs in power. It would also give the Democrats support going into the 2020 election. I think Trump will now start helping the Iranian resistance. It will cause the leadership of Iran to focus on internal problems and think twice about causing problems in the region. A fight on two fronts is never a good thing. And he’ll impose more sanctions. If any Asian countries still want to get their oil from Iran instead of the US, who is now a net exporter, let them defend their own sea lanes. And the military option is still there if American blood is spilled at the direct hands of the Iranians. That will unite the people of the US behind military action. Trump IS smart… the US wins and the Iran leadership loses.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #559
    Gringo180
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Trump in rant mood today, new comments about Iran.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1143529907403788288

    Lol.

    America spends more on there military then all of the super powers combined and there citizens have to get into massive debt if they dont have health insurance, and nearly 45 million of them live in adverse poverty. You would swear the States was some sort of Utopian universe the way they go on about other countries.


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    #560
    Jimmy Garlic
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Interesting how trump mentioned the ieds in Iraq ,


    ....Iran’s very ignorant and insulting statement, put out today, only shows that they do not understand reality. Any attack by Iran on anything American will be met with great and overwhelming force. In some areas, overwhelming will mean obliteration. No more John Kerry & Obama


    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1143529907403788288

    What does he have to say about Israel and Saudi Arabia blatently supporting head choppers in the region and beyond?


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    #561
    archer22
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    I can't see the United States lasting long term...like ancient Rome it's simply making too many enemies.


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    #562
    Odhinn
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    "WASHINGTON—Addressing the future casualties in a somber and often-emotional press conference, John Bolton told reporters Thursday that a war with Iran was the only way to avenge Americans killed in an upcoming war with Iran.



    “Sadly, I believe direct military conflict with Iran is the only suitable response for the heartbreaking deaths of our troops in that upcoming military conflict,” said the national security advisor, noting that only by launching a ground invasion of the Islamic Republic could he ensure the thousands of U.S. troops who will perish in that ground invasion will not perish in vain."
    https://www.theonion.com/bolton-argues-war-with-iran-only-way-to-avenge-american-1835704580?utm_content=Main&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1SOrUI1Yw-E-z6LSTIzA9P2g8aLiOs2jL_jSt7kFhbfmS3gslUwNcIBos


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    #563
    Odhinn
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    archer22 wrote: »
    I can't see the United States lasting long term...like ancient Rome it's simply making too many enemies.




    "long term" nothing lasts, however thats over the span of centuries, if not millenia. The US is, in historical terms, a relatively young power, and it won't be going anywhere soon.


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    #564
    specky4eyes
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    https://www.theonion.com/bolton-argues-war-with-iran-only-way-to-avenge-american-1835704580?utm_content=Main&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1SOrUI1Yw-E-z6LSTIzA9P2g8aLiOs2jL_jSt7kFhbfmS3gslUwNcIBos

    The onion is a satire site.

    Although the whole story could be true with that wanker Bolton.


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    #565
    archer22
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Odhinn wrote: »
    "long term" nothing lasts, however thats over the span of centuries, if not millenia. The US is, in historical terms, a relatively young power, and it won't be going anywhere soon.

    Yeah should have been clearer on what I meant which is...the United States in it's present form as dominant military and economic superpower won't be around much longer.


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    #566
    Odhinn
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    specky4eyes wrote: »
    The onion is a satire site.

    ..........


    No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    #567
    Odhinn
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    archer22 wrote: »
    Yeah should have been clearer on what I meant which is...the United States in it's present form as dominant military and economic superpower won't be around much longer.




    As I said, that's unlikely, as they are - in relative terms - a newcomer. They've a century or more left at the least, barring some massive disaster.


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    #568
    Gatling
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    "long term" nothing lasts, however thats over the span of centuries, if not millenia. The US is, in historical terms, a relatively young power, and it won't be going anywhere soon.


    Bolton also announced plans to issue 15 preemptive Medals of Honor to military spouses who will be widowed after losing their husbands in the 2021 Battle of Tehran.

    Funniest **** I read in a day on here
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    #569
    archer22
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Odhinn wrote: »
    As I said, that's unlikely, as they are - in relative terms - a newcomer. They've a centurry or more left at the least, barring some massive disaster.

    I very much doubt they can last a century or anything even close to it.

    America's global power is based on it's ability to project that power, which is it's carrier groups.

    Those Aircraft carriers are looking increasingly more vulnerable to the new generation of anti ship missiles such as Chinese DF-21D.

    These Carriers may well prove more a liability than an asset in any conflict with a peer nation


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    #570
    cameramonkey
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    It's pretty clear that the Americans are doing the Saudi and Israeli bidding for them.
    The Israelis want Hezbollah weakened so Iran needs to be destroyed or pushed into a position where they will withdraw from Syria and stop supporting Hezbollah. The Saudis want Yemen pacified so they need Iran to get a kicking.

    As the saying goes the Saudis and Israelis will fight to the last drop of American soldiers blood.


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    #571
    Odhinn
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Bolton also announced plans to issue 15 preemptive Medals of Honor to military spouses who will be widowed after losing their husbands in the 2021 Battle of Tehran.

    Funniest **** I read in a day on here




    There's a fair few Bolton -Iran articles on there worth the search for. As ever, funny for their closeness to the truth.


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