Why do Irish people support English teams?

Kermit.de.frog · 12-05-2019 6:51am

RobMc59 wrote: »

I live on Merseyside and have supported Everton all my life.

Well then your commentary here is irrelevant. You live there. So you support your local team or one in your city.

RobMc59 · 12-05-2019 7:21am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Well then your commentary here is irrelevant. You live there. So you support your local team or one in your city.

I live in the area and go to watch football , i know from experience that Irish supporters are not considered"foreign "by Everton and Liverpool supporters.
I have an interest in gaa and nfl but using your formula I shouldn't as they're not local to me.

tototoe · 12-05-2019 7:34am

Ill never understand this either tbh, but people can support whoever they like. However, how premiership/english soccer is allowed dominate the media in ireland to the extent it does is a complete mystery to me. I know its popular but the way newstalk and todayfm, and rte to an extent treat it like the most important thing in news baffles me. I can kind of understsnd it for the european stuff, kind of, but if people want to hear about the premiership feic off to sky or the bbc. Its not like most of the country dont have access to uk channels.

Omackeral · 12-05-2019 7:57am

blade1 wrote: »

Seems like a lot of begrudery from LOI fans here.

I used to somewhat of a begrudger to be very frank. Nowadays, I honestly think it's those who don't go to games week in and week out are the ones that are missing out. I honestly mean that. I'm glad attendances are on the rise over here. Seeing absolute worldies going in just mere feet from you is class. Potentially seeing the next James McClean coming through is exciting. The culture of doing an away day or seeing all the familiar lads and lassies for a big home Derby and organising and participating in displays are things that a tv can't bring you.

There's a certain draw in the grittiness that makes the League of Ireland what it is, it's the last of a dying breed. It's my sanitised, it's a bit chaotic but that's what we love. We get seasoned football people from all across the UK and Europe at Bohs matches every week because the secret is out among a lot of people. They're always made to feel welcome and it's because they are. If you haven't been before or in a few years, you'll be made to feel welcome if you get chatting to people too I'd wager.

You can have both. Have your English team and an LOI team, most of us do that go!

8-10 · 12-05-2019 8:00am

D14Rugby wrote: »

Don't think I've missed a minute of Rovers this season. Fairly easy to find a stream of a game, may not hove sound or good picture quality but I can get a stream of some sort if I'm not at a game.

Fair enough, might be different for Rovers, my local team is first division and FotMob updates and twitter is the only way I can follow away games

Unless there's a streaming option I'm completely unaware of....??

vkus6mt3y8zg2q · 12-05-2019 8:04am

[or seeing all the familiar lads and lassies for a big home Derby and organising and participating in displays]

LOL

Greyfox · 12-05-2019 8:34am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But keep being the imbecile that Manchurians and Liverpudlians laugh at as they rake it in and ponder - "why the fcuk do so many Irish support us"?

It's embarrassing and pathetic.

Real fans of a club know a club needs as many supporters as it can get and they don't care what country the fans are from, the more fans the more money the club get. If a few thousand americans were to start following Rovers that would be a good day for the club.

Achasanai · 12-05-2019 8:43am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They are laughing at you. They take your money and "support". They don't give a damn beyond that.

Don't be worrying about what others think. If you enjoy supporting Liverpool/Man United/Everton/Accrington Stanley then do it. If you enjoy supporting Bohs don't worry about whether the diehards will welcome you to Dalymount or not.

OldMrBrennan83 · 12-05-2019 8:46am

Omackeral wrote: »

I used to somewhat of a begrudger to be very frank. Nowadays, I honestly think it's those who don't go to games week in and week out are the ones that are missing out. I honestly mean that. I'm glad attendances are on the rise over here. Seeing absolute worldies going in just mere feet from you is class. Potentially seeing the next James McClean coming through is exciting. The culture of doing an away day or seeing all the familiar lads and lassies for a big home Derby and organising and participating in displays are things that a tv can't bring you.

There's a certain draw in the grittiness that makes the League of Ireland what it is, it's the last of a dying breed. It's my sanitised, it's a bit chaotic but that's what we love. We get seasoned football people from all across the UK and Europe at Bohs matches every week because the secret is out among a lot of people. They're always made to feel welcome and it's because they are. If you haven't been before or in a few years, you'll be made to feel welcome if you get chatting to people too I'd wager.

You can have both. Have your English team and an LOI team, most of us do that go!

I've argued this with you (too) many times but you were right all along.

Omackeral · 12-05-2019 9:08am

Zain Raspy Tapir wrote: »

[or seeing all the familiar lads and lassies for a big home Derby and organising and participating in displays]

LOL

Great contribution. Fantastic insights.

Omackeral · 12-05-2019 9:10am

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

I've argued this with you (too) many times but you were right all along.

Do you mean that you gave going to a game a chance? Who did You go to see? How was it? Were you sneered at?

Pkiernan · 12-05-2019 9:20am

RobMc59 wrote: »

I live on Merseyside and have supported Everton all my life.

That's a double tragedy. Sorry for your troubles.

NIMAN · 12-05-2019 9:21am

Some excitement around Ireland today with the culmination of the English football league!

OldMrBrennan83 · 12-05-2019 9:34am

NIMAN wrote: »

Some excitement around Ireland today with the culmination of the English football league!

The Munster hurling starts, which is a real reason to get excited.

Omackeral · 12-05-2019 12:47pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Some excitement around Ireland today with the culmination of the English football league!

Man United vs Liverpool is the All-Ireland final

rob316 · 12-05-2019 12:47pm

Meh could be worse you could support Celtic. I'd rather watch Sunday league

NIMAN · 12-05-2019 12:51pm

Bar owners will love today, great finish to the EPL.

Packed.

8-10 · 12-05-2019 12:53pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Bar owners will love today, great finish to the EPL.

Packed.

Yeah been a while since there was a last day like this one.

trashcan · 12-05-2019 1:19pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Bar owners will love today, great finish to the EPL.

Packed.

I used to have Sky Sports until a couple of years ago (always second place to supporting Pats though) Haven't "followed" an English team since I was a child in the seventies/early eighties - Man City incidentally. I' ll probably catch the highlights on MOTD, but I'm not a bit bothered about missing the games live, wouldn't go out to watch. I've honestly never missed Sky since I ditched it. I have BT sport - because I wanted Eir sport for the LOI matches and it was included, but the amount of games I watch live on it is minuscule, maybe 1 or 2 a season.

Pats v Bohs next weekend though... now you're talking.

Omackeral · 12-05-2019 1:26pm

trashcan wrote: »

Pats v Bohs next weekend though... now you're talking.

Away end is a dead cert to sell out. Bohs fans have been told not travel without a ticket. It'll be a great atmosphere in a rickety old-school ground, just the way I like it.
Football doesnt have to be over for the summer just because the EPL is done.

SHOVELLER · 12-05-2019 2:51pm

Greyfox wrote: »

How is it pathetic when every LOI fan knows the English championship is a far superior league to anything Ireland will ever have? What makes you think anybody has the right to tell someone what they should be doing with there free time? What is someone from Tallaght doesnt like the way some Shamrock rovers fans cause trouble after a match?

The lack of knowledge here speaks volumes.

blade1 wrote: »

Seems like a lot of begrudery from LOI fans here.

Maybe but we have a product that has enormous potential yet a vast majority refuse to support it. If Ireland were a normal football country with a culture clubs from our league would be regulars in European competition group stages IMO.

blade1 wrote: »

Just look at the Sean Cox situation.
Yeah nobody gave a damn about him :rolleyes:

Honestly that whole situation is baffling. While nobody deserves that to happen at any time if you "support" an english club abroad there is an expectation that trouble will follow. Then to have our national stadium hold a fundraising game on the SAME night as a round of domestic fixtures shows the complete lack of respect and fundamental understanding the FAI have for football.

Edgware · 12-05-2019 5:16pm

How did "we" do today?

8-10 · 12-05-2019 5:31pm

Edgware wrote: »

How did "we" do today?

Liverpool won 2-0. Great season for us. 2 players sharing a golden boot too.

But it’s not over, Madrid in a few weeks to look forward to now!

Duckworth_Luas · 12-05-2019 6:01pm

Edgware wrote: »

How did "we" do today?

Sick as a parrot!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 12-05-2019 6:08pm

Edgware wrote: »

How did "we" do today?

Took the first set, but in the second half, they did a lucky bullseye and the rest of the dominoes fell like a house of cards. Checkmate.

Greyfox · 12-05-2019 6:33pm

SHOVELLER wrote: »

The lack of knowledge here speaks volumes.

Nonsense, I'm just living in the real world, I've nothing against the LOI but Sky televisions marketing machine and the media have put LOI in a really bad place.

D14Rugby · 12-05-2019 6:43pm

Greyfox wrote: »

Nonsense, I'm just living in the real world, I've nothing against the LOI but Sky televisions marketing machine and the media have put LOI in a really bad place.

So now it's marketing and media not quality. Could we at least get bit of consistency from you?

Bonniedog · 12-05-2019 9:58pm

Just came across this now.

Old argument. Like someone above I got rid of Sky, other than for racing, as it really is mind numbing in its wall to wall EPL. Complete with sound effects for the crowd!

As for LOI v televised EPL, as mainly GAA person, I look at very few matches on TV other than some of big hurling games, There is just no comparison to being in Parnell Park or wherever. Same applies to watching your local LOI club.

The quality thing doesn't really hold up either. If it did then there would be no English soccer outside of EPL as the people who go to see Torquay or Cambridge would just watch whatever crap is on the telly. Same applies to Spain, Germany, Italy etc. People just like the community part of it.

Irish people are really bad supporters of all live sport. Last night there were 9,000 in Kilkenny for a match but if Kilkenny get to AI final there will be demand for 40,000 tickets!

Badly Drunk Boy · 12-05-2019 10:35pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

The quality thing doesn't really hold up either. If it did then there would be no English soccer outside of EPL as the people who go to see Torquay or Cambridge would just watch whatever crap is on the telly. Same applies to Spain, Germany, Italy etc. People just like the community part of it.

Just wondering, but did you pick Torquay or Cambridge randomly, or were you a fan of Soccer AM on Sky? A few years ago, the presenters were Helen Chamberlain (a Torquay United fan) and Max Rushden, a Cambridge United fan.

Bonniedog · 12-05-2019 10:42pm

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

Just wondering, but did you pick Torquay or Cambridge randomly, or were you a fan of Soccer AM on Sky? A few years ago, the presenters were Helen Chamberlain (a Torquay United fan) and Max Rushden, a Cambridge United fan.

Mentioned Torquay because I watched brilliant Netflix doc called "Losers" which had bit about them, and actually sums up what it means to follow a "crap" little team in any sport (try the Dublin hurlers

And Cambridge because I knew woman from Cambridge who was absolute fanatic and supported not the glamorous United but City! Don't know if they're even in league an more. Must check.

Anyway, she derived huge joy and pain from that as opposed to people who form ersatz attachments to EPL teams. And yes, I was once that soldier and followed Leeds in the 70s, so I do get the lifetime attachment part and that there are Irish connections to various clubs. Leeds thing was definitely started through Giles I would say.

(Cambridge City always been non league according to Wikipedia. )

Edgware · 16-05-2019 12:26pm

Hurry hurry, Unira have a new shirt out celebrating the Treble, a must have for all the kids

The Moldy Gowl · 16-05-2019 12:29pm

Edgware wrote: »

Hurry hurry, Unira have a new shirt out celebrating the Treble, a must have for all the kids

Unira?

Omackeral · 16-05-2019 12:34pm

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

Unira?

It's how some "salt of de earth" Dubs might say United. Usually have seen it written as Unireh

The Moldy Gowl · 16-05-2019 12:40pm

Omackeral wrote: »

It's how some "salt of de earth" Dubs might say United. Usually have seen it written as Unireh

Oh I know. I just wanted him to explain how stupid it sounds.

Surprised a Maureen or brenda Rodgers wasn't thrown in.

gormdubhgorm · 02-06-2019 12:59pm

Here is a synopsis of why Irish people support English clubs from 2016

https://www.balls.ie/football/irish-english-league-fans-353235-353235

I think they should have went into more detail on the Liverpool - Man United sections.

About 10 years of age during successful years - or failing that, thier father supported them.

I am surprised Arsenal does not get a mention - glory years recently - plus 80's on Brady - Stapelton - O'Leary.

IMO I think nearly all Irish fans of English teams are glory hunters or consumers of a brand. It feels wrong to call them supporters. Consumers is the probably the best word.

Hamsterchops · 02-06-2019 1:50pm

Irish people should support Italian football teams, why? because their food is better than English food and their flag is very similar to ours, they also make lovely wine, and the Pope lives in Rome, and he's not English

Bobblehats · 02-06-2019 1:55pm

Wiiiiberpool ..

odyssey06 · 02-06-2019 4:45pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

IMO I think nearly all Irish fans of English teams are glory hunters or consumers of a brand. It feels wrong to call them supporters. Consumers is the probably the best word.

"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
- Danny Blanchflower

Football is about glory. If by using the phrase glory hunters it was meant as a cheap insult it just shows up your limited parochial view of the game.

D14Rugby · 02-06-2019 4:58pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
- Danny Blanchflower

Football is about glory. If by using the phrase glory hunters it was meant as a cheap insult it just shows up your limited parochial view of the game.

" What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It’s not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It’s the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. It’s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love."
-Bobby Robson

You also know fine well that the glory he is talking about is completely different the glory referred to in glory hunters. Glory hunters are after exactly what he says the game is not about, winning, look at Liverpool last night that was winning not glory, the game was ****, people may well have died of boredom, exactly what Danny says the game is not about.

odyssey06 · 02-06-2019 5:23pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

You also know fine well that the glory he is talking about is completely different the glory referred to in glory hunters. Glory hunters are after exactly what he says the game is not about, winning, look at Liverpool last night that was winning not glory, the game was ****, people may well have died of boredom, exactly what Danny says the game is not about.

Seriously? Liverpool's european campaign wasn't glorious? Pull the other one.

No one expects every minute of every match to have a goal. A 0-0 draw can be a glorious result for the underdog.

D14Rugby · 02-06-2019 5:25pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Seriously? Liverpool's european campaign wasn't glorious? Pull the other one.

No one expects every minute of every match to have a goal.

If you think that final was glorious then you've set the bar seriously low. I'm working off the quote you posted here.

"doing things in style and with a flourish" neither of those things can be applied to anything done in that final, Liverpool won and grand well played but by your quote they did not win in a glorious way

branie2 · 02-06-2019 5:32pm

I don't support any English team

Greyfox · 02-06-2019 5:46pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

IMO I think nearly all Irish fans of English teams are glory hunters or consumers of a brand. It feels wrong to call them supporters.

If you watch you team on tv and care about wheter they win or lose your a supporter.

RobMc59 · 02-06-2019 6:23pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

If you think that final was glorious then you've set the bar seriously low. I'm working off the quote you posted here.

"doing things in style and with a flourish" neither of those things can be applied to anything done in that final, Liverpool won and grand well played but by your quote they did not win in a glorious way

TBF liverpool have`nt been particularly successful in recent years(until yesterday!) so people supporting them are hardly "glory hunters"-here in England they are disliked by the majority of fans of other teams as they are looked upon as a bunch of constant whingers who have a god given right to success.

D14Rugby · 02-06-2019 6:52pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

TBF liverpool have`nt been particularly successful in recent years(until yesterday!) so people supporting them are hardly "glory hunters"-here in England they are disliked by the majority of fans of other teams as they are looked upon as a bunch of constant whingers who have a god given right to success.

They haven't been successful in a winning leagues was but they won a champions league in 05 and were consistently top four until 09 which is when a lot of their fans here would have started following them. The difference in the amount of Liverpool jerseys you'd in 05 or now and in 2010 is staggering.

blade1 · 02-06-2019 7:50pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

They haven't been successful in a winning leagues was but they won a champions league in 05 and were consistently top four until 09 which is when a lot of their fans here would have started following them. The difference in the amount of Liverpool jerseys you'd in 05 or now and in 2010 is staggering.

Merch is huge business these days.

Edgware · 02-06-2019 7:52pm

Liverpool F.C. A good cup team

02-06-2019 7:54pm

I have to say I find it very odd that someone would 'support' a non local team.

Please correct me if I am wrong but I think that all soccer teams in Britain and beyond are 'owned' by people who 'buy' players.

So essentially the richest owner can buy the best players ?

Doesn't sound like what football was supposed to all about at all.

odyssey06 · 02-06-2019 8:07pm

65535 wrote: »

I have to say I find it very odd that someone would 'support' a non local team.

Please correct me if I am wrong but I think that all soccer teams in Britain and beyond are 'owned' by people who 'buy' players.

So essentially the richest owner can buy the best players ?

Doesn't sound like what football was supposed to all about at all.

Its been that way since 1893 at least. Back then some people found the concept of professional clubs odd too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_(association_football)

Greyfox · 02-06-2019 8:18pm

65535 wrote: »

Please correct me if I am wrong but I think that all soccer teams in Britain and beyond are 'owned' by people who 'buy' players.

Every good football club in the world buys players, including the LOI clubs.

Why do Irish people support English teams?

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