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Criminal Inquiry launched into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    "The evidence shows we're not dealing with just mistakes or sloppiness, there was something far more troubling happening here

    "The people who abused FISA have a lot to answer for because this was an important tool to protect the American people, they abused it"



    Tick Tock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Still sounds extremely vague despite all the time spent on it. Lots of "ifs" and "theys" .They need to hurry up because they'll all be out of a job by the new year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,791 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    About time, was ridiculous the way it happened. Imagine one outcome is more people will be reluctant to speak to the F.B.I.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    About time, was ridiculous the way it happened. Imagine one outcome is more people will be reluctant to speak to the F.B.I.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1258476104333119488

    Just because the charges have been dropped, doesn't mean he isn't guilty. Didn't he admit to lying under oath, twice?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Have you really never read Flynn's side?

    As was said for years, he pleaded guilty because they suggested they would go after his son otherwise. This was called a "right wing conspiracy theory" even though there was substantial evidence to support it. The left just rolled their eyes and focused back on 'Get Trump!' On Boards a user merely saying "But he plead guilty!!' whenever the subject came up would often get 25 backslaps or more. Very few bothered to look at the case objectively:

    https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/495366-something-seems-rotten-in-flynns-case-and-maybe-others-too

    Indictments are in the offing for what went on with these people in 2016/2017. They thought they could do as they liked. It's worst than Watergate in my view and yet the mainstream liberal media have barely reported on it so far. Or at least not in any amplified way.

    This is nothing, however, compared to what's coming.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Flynn should sue the pants off every department involved and every agent involved personally. Ruin them all financially as they did to him. Now time to find out how much and when did Obama and Biden know of the effort to destroy Flynn by hook and by crook. Muller and his merry band of Trump hating attorneys also need to be put under investigation.

    Trump should appoint Flynn director of the FBI just to watch democrats and the biased media's heads explode.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,791 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    https://mobile.twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1258476104333119488

    Just because the charges have been dropped, doesn't mean he isn't guilty. Didn't he admit to lying under oath, twice?

    Lying under oath seems to be commonplace these days for all parties. The actions of those trying to snare Flynne seems a lot more suspect than the man himself at times.

    Seems it was the right call to let things play out rather than go with the pardon option.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    "Yes!!" lol

    Outlaw Pete there celebrating like he's just watched his favourite team winning a cup final :pac: :pac: :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    "Yes!!" lol

    Outlaw Pete there celebrating like he's just watched his favourite team winning a cup final :pac: :pac: :pac:

    Everyone should celebrate justice.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Derangement indeed.

    I'd suggest you stop obsessing about the black guy. That might fly in the US but not so much here. He won both elections handily. You're unhappy with the results - well, too bad. Get over it. to quote the current acting CoS.
    The guy who is now neck deep into the illegal spying on the Trump campaign and the efforts to take down Trump's presidency?

    I understand more intel will be forthcoming and more damning than even the recent disclosures of Obama blue dress.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    notobtuse wrote: »
    Everyone should celebrate justice.

    Yeah, cos sacking your AG and installing your sock-puppet, while giving his kids cushy white house jobs,so that he can pardon and absolve you and your allies of crimes, including dropping investigations into crimes which the perpetrator admitted guilt is 'justice' personified.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Everyone should celebrate justice.

    Your president bought Barr. Barr let a man who pleaded guilty off. Your country has no justice. It's been sold off.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    Can't wait to see the democrats paying for the wars they created recently. Clinton also for what he did in Yugoslavia.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Flynn should sue the pants off every department involved and every agent involved personally. Ruin them all financially as they did to him. Now time to find out how much and when did Obama and Biden know of the effort to destroy Flynn by hook and by crook. Muller and his merry band of Trump hating attorneys also need to be put under investigation.

    Trump should appoint Flynn director of the FBI just to watch democrats and the biased media's heads explode.

    It’s honestly sad to see an American citizen cheering on corruption at the highest level of their government. Yet another example of the trump administration seeing how much they can get away with. Turns out it’s quite a lot. Trumps feeble minded corruption is already doing damage but if I was American what would really worry me is someone getting elected who’s equally corrupt but also politically savvy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    MadYaker wrote: »
    It’s honestly sad to see an American citizen cheering on corruption at the highest level of their government. Yet another example of the trump administration seeing how much they can get away with. Turns out it’s quite a lot. Trumps feeble minded corruption is already doing damage but if I was American what would really worry me is someone getting elected who’s equally corrupt but also politically savvy.
    Cheering on the dropping of charges against Flynn should be celebrated as the corruption of the Obama administration is finally seeing it's day of reckoning.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Cheering on the dropping of charges against Flynn should be celebrated as the corruption of the Obama administration is finally seeing it's day of reckoning.

    But that just isn’t reality I’m afraid. Why are you so determined to support this guy trampling all over everything your country used to stand for?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    So are any of ye betting on this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Cheering on the dropping of charges against Flynn should be celebrated as the corruption of the Obama administration is finally seeing it's day of reckoning.

    Flynn isn't off the hook just yet


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Flynn isn't off the hook just yet
    Dream on.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Is Obama currently the subject of any criminal investigation?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Is Obama currently the subject of any criminal investigation?
    We don't know as of yet. Durham has been recently ramping up his staff with people that are considered more prosecutors than investigators.

    But let's be real here. Nobody should fool themselves... For the good of the nation Obama, Biden and H Clinton will not be prosecuted. They'll let the court of public opinion decide their fate. The highest level of the Obama administration and malfeasants Barr and Durham might prosecute is Brennen, Clapper, Comey, McCabe, Strzok and Page. Pretty high ups, nonetheless.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    We don't know as of yet. Durham has been recently ramping up his staff with people that are considered more prosecutors than investigators.

    But let's be real here. Nobody should fool themselves... For the good of the nation Obama, Biden and H Clinton will not be prosecuted. They'll let the court of public opinion decide their fate. The highest level of the Obama administration and malfeasants Barr and Durham might prosecute is Brennen, Clapper, Comey, McCabe, Strzok and Page. Pretty high ups, nonetheless.

    So is it worth it to cheer on your country being dismantled by the self interested to try get an unlikely 'win' against the Democrats?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Bowie wrote: »
    So is it worth it to cheer on your country being dismantled by the self interested to try get an unlikely 'win' against the Democrats?
    Since justice won't be served and Obama, Biden and H Clinton will most probably walk away from illegalities, it's the best one can hope for.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Since justice won't be served and Obama, Biden and H Clinton will most probably walk away from illegalities, it's the best one can hope for.

    ruining your country to own the libs. the stupidity of trump supporters knows no bounds


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ruining your country to own the libs. the stupidity of trump supporters knows no bounds
    Wishing the rule of law is applied equally to all people? Accepting the best you can get? You consider that stupid?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    It's very telling when you see certain people who devoted so much time talking about the rule of law with regards to Russia Collusion allegations, and also the allegations that the office of President was abused in an effort to solicit help in an upcoming election (with little or no evidence to support either) then suddenly moan about how a country is being ruined by attempts to investigate allegations made about a different set of politicians. Just a coincidence I'm sure that these particular politicians happen to lean the same way they do on the political spectrum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    It's very telling when you see certain people who devoted so much time talking about the rule of law with regards to Russia Collusion allegations, and also the allegations that the office of President was abused in an effort to solicit help in an upcoming election (with little or no evidence to support either) then suddenly moan about how a country is being ruined by attempts to investigate allegations made about a different set of politicians. Just a coincidence I'm sure that these particular politicians happen to lean the same way they do on the political spectrum.

    That’s absolutely not what people have been saying in this thread. The country is being ruined by Trumps incompetence. Not investigations into FISA warrants.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    MadYaker wrote: »
    That’s absolutely not what people have been saying in this thread. The country is being ruined by Trumps incompetence. Not investigations into FISA warrants.
    The country is being ruined by the Trump Derangement Syndrome of democrats and their media allies.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    notobtuse wrote: »
    The country is being ruined by the Trump Derangement Syndrome of democrats and their media allies.

    Oh right. So they are the ones who failed to prepare the country for coronavirus despite adequate advance warning from as early as January? I wasn’t aware trump had put the democrats and their media allies in charge of the coronavirus response.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Since justice won't be served and Obama, Biden and H Clinton will most probably walk away from illegalities, it's the best one can hope for.

    So if you don't like justice you'll make your own. That goes against the whole U.S.A. and what it stands for surely? You are coming across like you would support a dictatorship not answerable to the people but a few undemocratic self interests if they have your politics. That's saddening. So ends democracy in the U.S.A.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    I think they need to vote him in for another term. Maybe then they’ll learn. A destroyed economy and hundreds of thousands of deaths obviously isn’t bad enough to make them realise that electing on orange reality TV star to your highest office is a bad idea. What would it take I wonder?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Wishing the rule of law is applied equally to all people? Accepting the best you can get? You consider that stupid?

    Wouldn't that mean prosecuting pretty much every presiedent going back to Nixon?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Wouldn't that mean prosecuting pretty much every presiedent going back to Nixon?
    That’s a complicated question. One that would need determine the supposed crimes committed and there severity and legality, whether the decisions made (good or bad) fall within the scope of the job of president as you can’t try someone for merely making a mistake if they were based on the best intel available at the time, and the statute of limitations. So, maybe, maybe not.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's very telling when you see certain people who devoted so much time talking about the rule of law with regards to Russia Collusion allegations, and also the allegations that the office of President was abused in an effort to solicit help in an upcoming election (with little or no evidence to support either) then suddenly moan about how a country is being ruined by attempts to investigate allegations made about a different set of politicians. Just a coincidence I'm sure that these particular politicians happen to lean the same way they do on the political spectrum.

    Really?
    The Special Counsel investigation uncovered extensive criminal activity

    The investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice.

    Trump associates repeatedly lied to investigators about their contacts with Russians, and President Trump refused to answer questions about his efforts to impede federal proceedings and influence the testimony of witnesses.

    A statement signed by over 1,000 former federal prosecutors concluded that if any other American engaged in the same efforts to impede federal proceedings the way Trump did, they would likely be indicted for multiple charges of obstruction of justice.


    Russia engaged in extensive attacks on the U.S. election system in 2016

    Russian interference in the 2016 election was “sweeping and systemic.”

    Major attack avenues included a social media “information warfare” campaign that “favored” candidate Trump and the hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases and release of stolen materials through Russian-created entities and Wikileaks.

    Russia also targeted databases in many states related to administering elections gaining access to information for millions of registered voters.

    There is a mountain of evidence relating to both of the incidents you're referring to. Just because the powers that be chose not to act on that evidence doesn't mean it no longer exists. I mean, Trump Jr himself tweeted that they were in contact with the Russians to help leverage the other side, how can you not see that as evidence of collusion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Barr is now saying that Biden and Obama won’t be investigated as part of the probe. Sounds like another anti climax in the making.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Barr is now saying that Biden and Obama won’t be investigated as part of the probe. Sounds like another anti climax in the making.
    I always said they wouldn’t be prosecuted. But their high ranking political generals of Brennan, Clapper, McCabe and Comey are different matters. Now if they sing and point to Obama and Biden to order to get reduced sentences that isn't an investigation into them, right?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I always said they wouldn’t be prosecuted. But their high ranking political generals of Brennan, Clapper, McCabe and Comey are different matters. Now if they sing and point to Obama and Biden to order to get reduced sentences that isn't an investigation into them, right?

    you're delusional


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Great to see that the Senate has confirmed Sen.Ratcliffe as the next Director of National Intelligence, as if his work at helping expose the corrupt officials in the Obama administration is anything to go by, he will do an awesome job as DNI.

    However, has to be said, Grenell has done an excellent job as acting DNI thus far, especially with regards to how he has ensured that the American public got to see just what Adam Schiff didn't want them to.

    Some tweets of his from today pushing back against smears from democrats who ain't one bit happy that he is showing America (and the world) just what the objective of the Russia- Trump collusion investigation was all really about:


    https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1263856362133520385
    https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1263863419071090691
    https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1263868925630185474


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    He enjoys the weakest confirmation vote to the position in its history. Passed along party lines. He will be a great political installation and I am sure he will do a great job for the Party that has spent 3 years gaslighting the right to spy on a presidential campaign, and other abuses of power.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    More evidence coming out that investigation into whether Trump had colluded with Russia was politically motivated:
    FBI official who worked with Mueller raised doubts about Russia investigation

    An FBI official assigned to special counsel Robert Mueller’s office told federal investigators last week that he was critical of the investigation into allegations that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 election. FBI agent William Barnett said that the investigation had a "get Trump" attitude that moved it forward ...


    Not only that but also more evidence now that it was the DNC / Hillary Clinton if anything had been colluding with Russians to influence the outcome of the 2016 election:

    The FBI relied on a suspected Russian agent for its 2016 wiretaps

    Four years into accusations about Russia-Trump collusion, we finally learn that Russia’s main conduit for disinformation may have been America’s FBI. Vladimir Putin must be howling with laughter.

    Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz last year revealed that former spook Christopher Steele relied on one primary “subsource” for most of his accusations against the Trump campaign. This subsource was later identified as Ukrainian-born Igor Danchenko, who worked as a research analyst from 2005 to 2010 at the Brookings Institution in Washington. The latest disclosures show that Mr. Danchenko was the subject of an FBI counterintelligence investigation from 2009 to 2011, based on concerns he was a Russian agent and “a threat to national security.”

    The FBI identified Mr. Danchenko as Mr. Steele’s source in December 2016, when senior bureau officials also became aware of the prior FBI investigation. The FBI’s realization that it was being fed potential Russian disinformation should have put an immediate halt to the Page probe, if not the entire collusion investigation.

    Instead and incredibly, the FBI failed to disclose this information to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in all three of its subsequent renewal applications against Mr. Page. U.S. Attorney John Durham first brought the Danchenko information to Attorney General Bill Barr’s attention and said its public release would not interfere with his investigation.

    All of this underscores that the great scandal of 2016 wasn’t Russian collusion. It was the unleashing of America’s premier law enforcement agency against a presidential campaign based on Russian disinformation midwifed and financed by the Clinton campaign. The public is finally getting the truth about the FBI’s malfeasance, and Messrs. Barr and Durham deserve credit for exposing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Interesting declassification given what Hillary was saying to the media in the run up to the 2016 election:

    Rdl.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,388 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Any update Brah?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/09/donald-trump-frustrated-william-barr-over-inquiry-into-russia-probe/5939328002/

    Barr says nothing coming out before the election and Donald isn't a bit pleased with that at all at all. Id say they've got nothing and the report will be released some time next year and nobody will notice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I was promised WATERGATE 2.0 and I got - they, they aren't even going to publish the report, Pete. Done, no charges, no allegations. WHAT

    https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/republicans-said-obama-admin-unmasking-story-was-worse-than-watergate-the-doj-didnt-bother-issuing-a-public-report-on-prosecutors-findings/?fbclid=IwAR1MTInq2DWoIEabzu4bjTZJB6Ch32SwbYqAfNtScVNsJzPlKP91Q0zZ89k

    :pac:

    noburger.jpg

    WHERES THE BEEF

    Where the fcuk even is some cheese?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,388 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Durham probe focused on FBI, but prosecution of high-level officials like Comey 'unlikely': sources
    Sources told Fox News that Durham completed the CIA portion of his investigation last year and has shifted his focus to activities of the FBI

    Where is Pete?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,049 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Durham probe focused on FBI, but prosecution of high-level officials like Comey 'unlikely': sources
    Sources told Fox News that Durham completed the CIA portion of his investigation last year and has shifted his focus to activities of the FBI

    Where is Pete?

    Offline for 2 months.


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