The Vaccine

naughtynaughty · 24-11-2020 7:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Incredible. My oldest friend has completely gone off the deep end and thinks like you. I don't know how to talk to him about this kind of stuff. He's convinced every piece of media is lying yet somehow decides to believe someone like Alex Jones. It's sad to see. I don't know how to get through to him.

Maybe he's right, have you considered that?

You know, in North Korea, the vast majority of the people defend their national media also. We aren't too far removed from that.

Dohnjoe · 24-11-2020 7:22pm

naughtynaughty wrote: »

Maybe he's right, have you considered that?

Alex Jones is right? funny how quickly he back-peddles when he gets to court

You know, in North Korea, the vast majority of the people defend their national media also. We aren't too far removed from that.

LOL, yes the only state-controlled media station allowed in a Stalinist cult is just like the modern press elsewhere, no difference

namloc1980 · 24-11-2020 7:46pm

naughtynaughty wrote: »

Maybe he's right, have you considered that?

You know, in North Korea, the vast majority of the people defend their national media also. We aren't too far removed from that.

Conspiracy Theorists laugh a people and call them sheep and say they are slaves to MSM. Meanwhile they swallow everything Alex Jones and other randomers on Youtube spout without question but see absolutely no problem with that.

The best position is to have a healthy amount of scepticism and question ALL sides. Unfortunately when you take a sceptical view you get hammered by both sides then!

km991148 · 24-11-2020 8:25pm

I think there is a great reality TV show to be made. Take 5 random people that say things like 'its just like NK' (Or Russia or some dictatorship or whatever) and actually send them there for a year..

It be funny if it wasn't for the fact that there are billions of people living in actual dictatorships or other situations without any freedom.
It's an insult to claim this tbh. You wouldn't last 5 minutes.

Fodla · 24-11-2020 8:37pm

km991148 wrote: »

I think there is a great reality TV show to be made. Take 5 random people that say things like 'its just like NK' (Or Russia or some dictatorship or whatever) and actually send them there for a year..

It be funny if it wasn't for the fact that there are billions of people living in actual dictatorships or other situations without any freedom.
It's an insult to claim this tbh. You wouldn't last 5 minutes.

I think it's more that people exaggerate for effect. Take the comparisons made in Germany recently with Sophie Scholl and Anne Frank, for example.

ohnonotgmail · 24-11-2020 8:43pm

Fodla wrote: »

I think it's more that people exaggerate for effect. Take the comparisons made in Germany recently with Sophie Scholl and Anne Frank, for example.

you mean the anti-masker that compared herself to sophie scholl? a loon

lennyloulou · 24-11-2020 11:51pm

Does anyone on this forum actually work with vaccines or know someone who works in the industry, administers them or deals with the injuries caused by them.
I do.
Not hope will I get any of the Covid vaccines.
Do your homework- read the ingredients.
Cop on people!

_Brian · 24-11-2020 11:56pm

lennyloulou wrote: »

Does anyone on this forum actually work with vaccines or know someone who works in the industry, administers them or deals with the injuries caused by them.
I do.
Not hope will I get any of the Covid vaccines.
Do your homework- read the ingredients.
Cop on people!

It’s an anonymous forum for goodness sake. You could be Donald Trump or just some crank in their attic who hasn’t left the house in 10 years.

Nobody should listen to a word of advice given here.

King Mob · 24-11-2020 11:59pm

lennyloulou wrote: »

Does anyone on this forum actually work with vaccines or know someone who works in the industry, administers them or deals with the injuries caused by them.
I do.
Not hope will I get any of the Covid vaccines.
Do your homework- read the ingredients.
Cop on people!

So what are the ingredients that you are worried about?
In what capacity do you "work with vaccines"?
What did you get your PhD in?

The chan chan man · 25-11-2020 1:27am

I won’t be rushing out to take this.. let the guinea pigs go first - and ticketmaster can go and shove it up their hole anyway

Hqrry113 · 25-11-2020 6:52am

I'll tell them what they can do with their vaccine they can shove it up their hole cause it won't be comin anywhere near me

King Mob · 25-11-2020 8:12am

Hqrry113 wrote: »

I'll tell them what they can do with their vaccine they can shove it up their hole cause it won't be comin anywhere near me

Cause you read on the internet it was bad and that the virus was fake and just accepted that without question.

Good way to make a medical decision alright.

namloc1980 · 25-11-2020 9:51am

Hqrry113 wrote: »

I'll tell them what they can do with their vaccine they can shove it up their hole cause it won't be comin anywhere near me

I don't think that's how it would be normally administered.

25-11-2020 11:11am

Fodla · 25-11-2020 11:14am

Deleted User wrote: »

The same could be said of masks. The countries with 24/7 mask wearing (Peru, the US, France, Italy, Spain, the Philippines, among others) have the highest case numbers in the world.

circadian · 25-11-2020 11:20am

Fodla wrote: »

The same could be said of masks. The countries with 24/7 mask wearing (Peru, the US, France, Italy, Spain, the Philippines, among others) have the highest case numbers in the world.

Which came first? The mask wearing or the sharp increase in cases?

King Mob · 25-11-2020 11:20am

Fodla wrote: »

The same could be said of masks. The countries with 24/7 mask wearing (Peru, the US, France, Italy, Spain, the Philippines, among others) have the highest case numbers in the world.

Evidence for this?

Or is that something you just decided yourself?

25-11-2020 12:43pm

Fodla wrote: »

The same could be said of masks. The countries with 24/7 mask wearing (Peru, the US, France, Italy, Spain, the Philippines, among others) have the highest case numbers in the world.

Ignoring the flawed logic; the US with 24/7 mask wearing? Ha good one

Dohnjoe · 25-11-2020 12:47pm

King Mob wrote: »

Evidence for this?

Or is that something you just decided yourself?

Who needs facts when you can just make them up yourself.

chewed · 25-11-2020 2:49pm

The chan chan man wrote: »

I won’t be rushing out to take this.. let the guinea pigs go first - and ticketmaster can go and shove it up their hole anyway

So, when will you decide the take it? How long will you wait until you're satisfied?

Fodla · 25-11-2020 2:57pm

circadian wrote: »

Which came first? The mask wearing or the sharp increase in cases?

Does it matter? If masks are so effective then why are case numbers still through the roof in the countries I mentioned?

Fodla · 25-11-2020 2:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ignoring the flawed logic; the US with 24/7 mask wearing? Ha good one

In most states masks are mandatory everywhere and compliance is extremely high.

Dohnjoe · 25-11-2020 3:00pm

Fodla wrote: »

Does it matter? If masks are so effective then why are case numbers still through the roof in the countries I mentioned?

Masks are effective. Do they 100% stop the virus? no, of course not. They mitigate it. Likewise social distancing doesn't 100% stop the virus, it mitigates it.

Why with masks and social distancing, do people still get the virus? Think.

Dohnjoe · 25-11-2020 3:01pm

Fodla wrote: »

In most states masks are mandatory everywhere and compliance is extremely high.

Compliance is relatively low in the US. I have friends over there, they sent me a pic from just last month, it was huge amounts of people gathering, most didn't have masks. Another was from a packed beach in late Sept, basically no one had a mask on. It's pretty bad over there.

King Mob · 25-11-2020 3:17pm

Fodla wrote: »

Does it matter? If masks are so effective then why are case numbers still through the roof in the countries I mentioned?

Sorry, you were asked for the evidence. You ignored this.
Please supply the scientific study you are basing your claim on and quote where it states the corralation between usage of masks and the numbers of cases.

Fodla · 25-11-2020 3:31pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Masks are effective. Do they 100% stop the virus? no, of course not. They mitigate it. Likewise social distancing doesn't 100% stop the virus, it mitigates it.

Why with masks and social distancing, do people still get the virus? Think.

But it hasn't really mitigated it in any of those countries. It's still out of control in spite of the 24/7 mask wearing. In Spain they wear them everywhere. I was there a few weeks ago. 100% compliance. And still case numbers are through the roof there.

King Mob · 25-11-2020 3:36pm

Fodla wrote: »

But it hasn't really mitigated it in any of those countries. It's still out of control in spite of the 24/7 mask wearing. In Spain they wear them everywhere. I was there a few weeks ago. 100% compliance. And still case numbers are through the roof there.

Please provide the study that shows this.

You have proven to be very dishonest and willing to twist and distort things to defend you conspiracy theory beliefs. You are not trustworthy. No one will take your word for anything.

So provide the evidence.

breezy1985 · 25-11-2020 3:42pm

Can I ask cause I can never get my head around this bit of the conspiracy theory

What is the secret evil reason governments want us to get the vaccine?

Dohnjoe · 25-11-2020 3:44pm

Fodla wrote: »

But it hasn't really mitigated it in any of those countries. It's still out of control in spite of the 24/7 mask wearing. In Spain they wear them everywhere. I was there a few weeks ago. 100% compliance. And still case numbers are through the roof there.

You've missed the point, which is why I asked the below question

Here it is again:

Why with masks and social distancing, do people still get the virus? Think.

Fodla · 25-11-2020 3:58pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You've missed the point, which is why I asked the below question

Here it is again:

Why with masks and social distancing, do people still get the virus? Think.

The cynic in me says it's because the PCR test is useless and produces false positives.

But I guess you are arguing that it's still very infectious in spite of the mitigation measures.

Dohnjoe · 25-11-2020 4:02pm

Fodla wrote: »

But I guess you are arguing that it's still very infectious in spite of the mitigation measures.

Yes, a mask doesn't stop the virus fully, it mitigates it. You can still pick it up from touching items in the supermarket, talking to a friend, from your kid who picked it up in school, that time you went to the restaurant, when you went to the gym, when you met with 4 friends in a bar, etc, etc there are hundreds of ways to pick up the virus.

Masks, distancing and lockdown aren't there to "stop" the virus fully, they are there to curb it to stop it from overwhelming our health systems. Once it's relatively "under control" again, then measures are gradually lifted. Again, none of this is perfect, and in our eagerness to lift lockdown measures before, many countries experienced another large wave.

King Mob · 25-11-2020 4:02pm

Fodla wrote: »

The cynic in me says it's because the PCR test is useless and produces false positives.

And given that you've ignored completely my requests to supply evidence to your previous claim, this is also something completely unevidenced and without any merit and most likely not true.
There's no point in beating around the bush and asking for evidence and support we all know you don't have.

Ted_YNWA · 25-11-2020 6:22pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Can I ask cause I can never get my head around this bit of the conspiracy theory

What is the secret evil reason governments want us to get the vaccine?

Probably to reduce the amount of people getting it, getting sick & causing a drain on Healthcare resources.

Is it a big conspiracy for a government to have the welfare of the citizens it was elected to serve & protect, to do just that.

The more people around the more of them there is to vote us back in next time.

breezy1985 · 25-11-2020 6:57pm

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Probably to reduce the amount of people getting it, getting sick & causing a drain on Healthcare resources.

Is it a big conspiracy for a government to have the welfare of the citizens it was elected to serve & protect, to do just that.

The more people around the more of them there is to vote us back in next time.

I more wanted an answer from a conspiracy believer. I agree with your reason

Dohnjoe · 25-11-2020 7:12pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

I more wanted an answer from a conspiracy believer. I agree with your reason

Some of us have been asking since this started and I'd say the most "coherent" answer we got is that the government is actually part of a tyrannical global group backed by the devil (literally the devil) that wants to track and control everyone for unknown reasons.

Ted_YNWA · 25-11-2020 8:02pm

breezy1985 wrote:

I more wanted an answer from a conspiracy believer. I agree with your reason

I know, it is nigh on impossible to get an answer that holds up to a cursory level of scrutiny.

Dohnjoe · 25-11-2020 8:05pm

Fodla wrote: »

This is what a lot of people believe (just type 'The Great Reset' into Twitter and you'll see that thousands of people are incredibly suspicious of the Great Reset):

There are 10's of thousands of people online who think the world is flat. There are millions who believe in ghosts. Sorry, but it's not really a measure of anything but people's never failing ability to believe silly stuff.

Fodla · 25-11-2020 8:17pm

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

I know, it is nigh on impossible to get an answer that holds up to a cursory level of scrutiny.

Does controlling people through health apps and health passports worry you?

Hqrry113 · 25-11-2020 9:13pm

King Mob wrote: »

Cause you read on the internet it was bad and that the virus was fake and just accepted that without question.

Good way to make a medical decision alright.

I haven't read anything online, I don't need a vaccine I'm not worried about covid anymore than I'm worried about the flu, unless you're already half dead you don't need to worry about covid.

Dohnjoe · 25-11-2020 9:17pm

Hqrry113 wrote: »

I haven't read anything online, I don't need a vaccine I'm not worried about covid anymore than I'm worried about the flu, unless you're already half dead you don't need to worry about covid.

I'm not too worried about Covid either. I am worried about catching it and passing it to older relatives and others. As mentioned, several European cities hospitals came close to reaching max capacity, and certain health systems were just weeks away from becoming overwhelmed.

The sheer ignorance on this forum never ceases to amaze.

Ted_YNWA · 25-11-2020 9:27pm

Fodla wrote: »

Does controlling people through health apps and health passports worry you?

We are all controlled to a certain extent every day of our lives.

How will these apps control us.

Hqrry113 · 25-11-2020 9:30pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I'm not too worried about Covid either. I am worried about catching it and passing it to older relatives and others. As mentioned, several European cities hospitals came close to reaching max capacity, and certain health systems were just weeks away from becoming overwhelmed.

The sheer ignorance on this forum never ceases to amaze.

Well let the old people who can barely lift their arm in their wheelchairs get the vaccine then, I don't want it.

Ted_YNWA · 25-11-2020 9:35pm

Can we keep all the Great Reset comments to that thread.

Multiple posts have been moved to that thread

namloc1980 · 25-11-2020 9:38pm

Hqrry113 wrote: »

Well let the old people who can barely lift their arm in their wheelchairs get the vaccine then, I don't want it.

Pure ignorance and selfishness. There are a lot of people who aren't old or infirm but who have compromised immune systems. It's not all about you.

Also do you want to see our health service overwhelmed to the point that other medical conditions don't get treated? But I'm sure you'd be very understanding if someone you knew got very ill but couldn't get treated because the hospital was overrun.

Timberrrrrrrr · 25-11-2020 9:40pm

Hqrry113 wrote: »

Well let the old people who can barely lift their arm in their wheelchairs get the vaccine then, I don't want it.

So don't get it.

Hqrry113 · 25-11-2020 9:53pm

Apparently judging by this thread and elsewhere we have a moral duty to inject ourselves with whatever hastily made substance the powers that be cobble together for a virus we still dont fully understand

Dohnjoe · 25-11-2020 10:00pm

Hqrry113 wrote: »

Apparently judging by this thread and elsewhere we have a moral duty to inject ourselves with whatever hastily made substance the powers that be cobble together for a virus we still dont fully understand

On the one hand you're soapboxing that Covid is nothing to worry about, on the other you're obsessively fearmongering about the vaccine.

We get it. If you don't want to take the vaccine, don't.

25-11-2020 10:01pm

Hqrry113 wrote: »

Apparently judging by this thread and elsewhere we have a moral duty to inject ourselves with whatever hastily made substance the powers that be cobble together for a virus we still dont fully understand

I don't agree with your assessment of the upcoming vaccines but I think so, yes, every able body person does have a moral duty to take it. I wouldn't force it anyone however. I'll just think you're a selfish ****ing idiot if you don't.

breezy1985 · 25-11-2020 10:57pm

Fodla wrote: »

Does controlling people through health apps and health passports worry you?

How does a health passport control someone?

This passport conspiracy is new to me

Fodla · 25-11-2020 11:09pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

How does a health passport control someone?

This passport conspiracy is new to me

Based on whether the colour is green or red you can or can't go to a restaurant, bar, concert, football match, travel, go to the shop etc.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40077932.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/23/asia/china-xi-qr-code-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

The Vaccine

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