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Irish tourist scratches his name into the wall at Auschwitz

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  • #152
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,125 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Ok, I thought it was the inner prison wall where prisoners were regularly shot. I remember seeing several uniformed Israeli soldiers yelling and making the V sign in this area. I thought at the time it was incredibly disrespectful as most of those that perished in Auschwitz were not Jewish. Birkenkau was where the Jews suffered the most.

    We were on about Newgrange.

    Side tracked.


  • #153
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Danzy wrote:
    We were on about Newgrange.

    Crossed wires my bad.


  • #154
    Dan Jaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,906 ✭✭✭✭Dan Jaman


    There's a limit to the number of bad taste puns that can be absorbed. Jes'stop eh? 
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  • #155
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,125 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Crossed wires my bad.

    Easy to see how it happened though.


  • #156
    dublinman1990
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    I did not expect a 38 year old man to do this kind of stuff at a monument in a place which deserves a lot of respect & empathy from wide numbers of people. He should be a more mature person at that age. What he did by writing his name on the wall was not showing that at all. People with appropriate levels of decency in them will not be impressed one bit with this type of behaviour.

    He should get a harsh punishment from the authorities who arrested & charged him. I won't be giving him any sympathy.


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  • #157
    [Deleted User]
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    :DYe are a mad bunch over here in AH!!

    (heads back to the relative sanity of the weather forum)


  • #158
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,408 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    Danzy wrote: »
    Not sure if your hyper drole or being serious.

    How do you mean? Such actions inside the camps are taken very seriously by the authorities. It won't be a slap on the wrist he gets.
    Eh, it's in Poland. The Germans left some time ago.


  • #159
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,050 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Eh, it's in Poland. The Germans left some time ago.

    YES WE GET IT ! For the 20OTH TIME!

    I was thinking about Dachau!

    We have gone over and over this........................


  • #160
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Sardonicat wrote:
    Eh, it's in Poland. The Germans left some time ago.


    Yes Auschwitz is in Poland near Krakow. However during the 2nd world war Germany controlled Poland under a government ran by a guy called Frank ( German Nazi) who viewed Poles/Jews the same way as we view rats and the contraction camps of which there was many in Poland were under the authority and control of the Germans . Millions of Poles died under the occupation of the Germans and many of that number in the various camps.


  • #161
    Sardonicat
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Sardonicat wrote:
    Eh, it's in Poland. The Germans left some time ago.


    Yes Auschwitz is in Poland near Krakow. However during the 2nd world war Germany controlled Poland under a government ran by a guy called Frank ( German Nazi) who viewed Poles/Jews the same way as we view rats and the contraction camps of which there was many in Poland were under the authority and control of the Germans . Millions of Poles died under the occupation of the Germans and many of that number in the various camps.
    Yes, I am actually aware of this. But thanks for the potted history .


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  • #162
    keith_sixteen
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    You'll probably find most Poles think the Holocaust was a fake news story now. They seem to have become quite authoritarian right wing recently.

    You are uterrly clueless.


  • #163
    pajoguy
    Registered Users Posts: 828 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    I saw this as I was about to leave Krakow tonight. I was in auschwitz on Sunday also and took one of the english tours around 1pm. There were 8 of us but no other Irish in the group. We saw names on walls and one of our group said comin home tonight that he saw names of people and the year 2017 on walls so this is not a first.
    However having taken the tour which was hosted by a lovely, softly spoken lady I find it hard to comprehend how somebody could intentionally vandalise in any way this place. The person may not have killed anybody but at 38 and having taken the decision to visit this place you would imagine they would have some bit of intelligence. It was desperate what happened to the families here. I cannot understand what was going through his head. I am a year older than this man.


  • #164
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    Dan Jaman wrote: »
    There's a limit to the number of bad taste puns that can be absorbed. Jes'stop eh?

    At least no cute bunny rabbits were harmed.:)


  • #165
    sligojoek
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    I'd say the writing is on the wall for him.


  • #166
    extra gravy
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    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/us-tourists-caught-carving-names-into-colosseum-rome

    Reminded me of this from a few years ago.


  • #167
    Charles Ingles
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    Love to have a conversation with this idiot


  • #168
    Dan Jaman
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    extra gravy wrote: »
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/us-tourists-caught-carving-names-into-colosseum-rome

    Reminded me of this from a few years ago.


    Wouldn't be the first time.
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  • #169
    Larbre34
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    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Just in closing serious points made in this thread.

    Everybody thinks this guy is a total moron who deserves what he gets.
    Nobody on the thread has expressed the least bit of sympathy for him.

    If he has a job there is a good chance he will not have it for much longer.
    I am sure none of the people here cracking jokes would try and defend this knob in any way.

    I might make jokes about death but I show the greatest respect in a cemetery.

    Well put.

    I don't think it should or will cost him a job though. If he had attempted to vandalise the place or daub neo nazi graffiti or something, then he'd be looking at jail time and job loss / death threats / social isolation. He just did something very moronic following the disrespect of other morons. He admitted it right away and said he would accept whatever punishment deemed fit. A momentary lapse of reason that hopefully reminds people to be less selfish and thoughtless.

    For those feeling outraged about a few puns, remember that one of the great human coping mechanisms is humour. Often dark humour. It can be salutary, keeping the true horror of what happened in the memory. Some of the greatest jewish comedians and comic writers have reflected on the holocaust and the war, Larry David, Mel Brooks, David Baddiel, Jerry Seinfeld, Sarah Silverman and many more have done so to greater or lesser effect.

    One of the most effective I ever heard of was a line Woody Allen wrote for a character in one of his films:

    "Do you care even about the Holocaust or do you think it never happened??!”

    “Not only do I know that we lost six million, but the scary thing is records are made to be broken.....”


  • #170
    ANDREWMUFC
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    Ohhh grace just hold me in ur arms and let this moment linger, they’ll take me out at dawn and I will die, with all my love I’ll place this wedding ring upon ur finger


  • #171
    Snickers Man
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    MagicThree18 wrote: »
    "The fuck?"

    Do you mean What the fuck?

    I'd rather a little blackly-humoured punnery over your transatlantic-drift grammar any day of the week.

    Anyway, we say "Ah now hee-er!" in this country.


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  • #172
    harry Bailey esq
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    MagicThree18 wrote: »
    Wow. Just wow.

    Much worse things happened there, his mates thought it was gas.


  • #173
    fergus1001
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    Putinbot wrote:
    Mod- Knock it off. Anne can't answer or defend him/herself.


    which one ?


  • #174
    seamus
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    I wonder is he special needs.

    I can't see how a 38 year old man in his full faculties would ever consider this to be reasonable behaviour.


  • #175
    Hoboo
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    seamus wrote: »
    I wonder is he special needs.

    I can't see how a 38 year old man in his full faculties would ever consider this to be reasonable behaviour.

    You've obviously never been to Leitrim.


  • #176
    Wibbs
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    seamus wrote: »
    I wonder is he special needs.

    I can't see how a 38 year old man in his full faculties would ever consider this to be reasonable behaviour.
    The need to mark one's name is a very common and strong human need. Especially in places of high cultural relevance, no matter the relevance itself.

    Go to any historic site, even going back thousands of years and you will be nearly guaranteed to find "Kilroy was here" type graffiti going back many centuries. The only writing* so far found on the Great Pyramid of Egypt is graffiti of this type, written at the time of construction(and how we know who it was actually built for). It's also covered with names from the many centuries in between and up to today. There is thousand year old graffiti to be found in Newgrange and a few 17th, 18th and 19th century scribblings too.

    If there is already an area covered with names, this acts as a magnet for more names to follow and makes it seem somewhat accepted as a group effort(EG the wall of the Abbey Road studios covered in Beatle's fan scribblings). Even in such a place as Auschwitz. A blasphemy like Auschwitz can even add to the draw. Beyond the ego souvenir aspect, scratching a name into such a horror can be felt as a weird benediction and a memento mori and a reminder that you're at least alive to scribble it as a witness.

    Such places evoke many feelings. Our culture possesses it as a thing for us all. An individual may seek to possess or add to it on the personal level. Only a few years back a few idiots made off with the camp entrance sign. An icon indeed. It seemed they didn't steal it to sell it, but just to possess it as a cultural totem(IIRC it's now indoors in a museum and a replica takes its former place).

    So while I in no way condone such a thing, nor would even begin consider it myself, I can see that it doesn't require an explanation or excuse like "special needs" for someone to do such a thing.





    *unusually it's the only such structure of ancient Egypt that is devoid of hieroglyphs.

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  • #177
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
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    I come from the burren, the limestone pavements are a delicate landscape. There are signs up everywhere gently reminding tourists not to be building their own dolmens, they all get the exact same fit of inspiration after seeing them :D


  • #178
    dxhound2005
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    Memento mori.


  • #179
    Hitman3000
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    I think defacing a wall/ memorial such as Auschwitz is despicable. Strangely though on other sites (and I know it's a contradiction) don't bother me. An example I was on the tower in Charles bridge in Prague and saw a scratched name of someone dating from 1669, instead of being offended I wondered how the view looked to the graffiti artist at the time. Again I know a contradiction.


  • #180
    Bob24
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    seamus wrote: »
    I wonder is he special needs.

    I can't see how a 38 year old man in his full faculties would ever consider this to be reasonable behaviour.

    I think lack of respect/consideration for the past and pure edonism is a gradual slope our society is going through and different people are at different stages.

    I was in Auschwitz 2 years ago and while not a majority you wouldn’t believe the amount of adults who were there taking a selfie with a smiley face under the “arbeit macht frei” sign or in a death chamber.

    Of course carving one’s name is more severe. But I’d say the selfie people have already reached the point whereby it is just another tourist spot they are visiting with nothing special about it, with one major goal while visiting the site being to show off to people they know how much they are enjoying their life visiting places. To me the name carving thing is just the next step for someone who on top of that lack of empathy about the past of the site they are visiting has no respect for public property/monuments.


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  • #181
    Aglomerado
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    Remi Delicious Source wrote: »
    I come from the burren, the limestone pavements are a delicate landscape. There are signs up everywhere gently reminding tourists not to be building their own dolmens, they all get the exact same fit of inspiration after seeing them :D

    There used to be dozens of mini dolmens at Poulnabrone, long before they roped off the main one.

    This guy's a f*8ing idiot, as are the smiling selfie takers at the Arbeit Macht Frei gate...


  • #182
    indioblack
    Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭indioblack


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Well put.

    I don't think it should or will cost him a job though. If he had attempted to vandalise the place or daub neo nazi graffiti or something, then he'd be looking at jail time and job loss / death threats / social isolation. He just did something very moronic following the disrespect of other morons. He admitted it right away and said he would accept whatever punishment deemed fit. A momentary lapse of reason that hopefully reminds people to be less selfish and thoughtless.

    For those feeling outraged about a few puns, remember that one of the great human coping mechanisms is humour. Often dark humour. It can be salutary, keeping the true horror of what happened in the memory. Some of the greatest jewish comedians and comic writers have reflected on the holocaust and the war, Larry David, Mel Brooks, David Baddiel, Jerry Seinfeld, Sarah Silverman and many more have done so to greater or lesser effect.

    One of the most effective I ever heard of was a line Woody Allen wrote for a character in one of his films:

    "Do you care even about the Holocaust or do you think it never happened??!”

    “Not only do I know that we lost six million, but the scary thing is records are made to be broken.....”
    I recall Bruce Marshall's book about the British secret agent who was captured and sent to Buchenwald. He was suprised at the dark humour used by some of the inmates - Mel brooks would have approved. But this was humour used by the inmates themselves about their own ghastly situation.
    Some years ago I tried to explain the comedy of "Dad's Army" to a Polish workmate. He didn't think it funny at all.
    "There's nothing in bad taste as long as it's funny". Maybe.


  • #183
    Donald Trump
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    What a PanzarKnacker


  • #184
    Wibbs
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    Bob24 wrote: »
    I think lack of respect/consideration for the past and pure edonism is a gradual slope our society is going through and different people are at different stages.
    The ancient Greeks thought and worked about the exact same thing. Every culture does. Every culture thinks the past was somehow better, with more respect going on, current days are seen as a step back and the future is seen as a concern. The youth, or at least the generations without direct living experience of the horrors of previous generations also tend to lose some of the reverence for them. They're less affected by them. This is a good thing in my humble. We should remember and honour the past, especially as a warning to the future, but we shouldn't be trapped, enslaved to that past either, as that can bring horrors of its own

    Cultural icons change with time too. For the war generation in the west Belsen was the horror, not Auschwitz. It ended up on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain. It started to get more attention in the 1970's, but more so in the 90's.

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  • #185
    MarkY91
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    38 years old? I figured it would be someone under 21.

    Such a disrespectful act at the site of one of the worst atrocities in human history, if not worst.

    I was there a couple of years ago, it still had a death atmosphere to it. I don't know how anyone could just decide to deface a wall there


  • #186
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Wibbs wrote: »
    The ancient Greeks thought and worked about the exact same thing. Every culture does. Every culture thinks the past was somehow better, with more respect going on, current days are seen as a step back and the future is seen as a concern. The youth, or at least the generations without direct living experience of the horrors of previous generations also tend to lose some of the reverence for them. They're less affected by them. This is a good thing in my humble. We should remember and honour the past, especially as a warning to the future, but we shouldn't be trapped, enslaved to that past either, as that can bring horrors of its own

    Cultural icons change with time too. For the war generation in the west Belsen was the horror, not Auschwitz. It ended up on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain. It started to get more attention in the 1970's, but more so in the 90's.

    I agree that what is considered icons of the past can change over time as society evolves.

    However something which IMO shouldn’t change is a complete respect by everyone for what is currently considered an icon of the past in the society you live in or you are visiting - especially if it is a sad and memorial past (and in 2018 Western societies as well as in Polish society in particular, Auschwitz very much is part of that category). And this is where I was trying to explain we are shifting in the wrong direction with people considering it as just another background for today’s smiling selfie.


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  • #187
    Danzy
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    The ancient Greeks thought and worked about the exact same thing. Every culture does. Every culture thinks the past was somehow better, with more respect going on, current days are seen as a step back and the future is seen as a concern. The youth, or at least the generations without direct living experience of the horrors of previous generations also tend to lose some of the reverence for them. They're less affected by them. This is a good thing in my humble. We should remember and honour the past, especially as a warning to the future, but we shouldn't be trapped, enslaved to that past either, as that can bring horrors of its own

    Cultural icons change with time too. For the war generation in the west Belsen was the horror, not Auschwitz. It ended up on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain. It started to get more attention in the 1970's, but more so in the 90's.

    People where I live planted trees for timber,150 years ago, ready soon enough but not for a few more decades.

    Cathedrals were built with 300 year work period planned.

    Now it is all for the quarter or short few years.


  • #188
    Danzy
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    Bob24 wrote: »
    And this is where I was trying to explain we are shifting in the wrong direction with people considering it as just another background for today’s smiling selfie.

    While I would never take selfie there. It is sinking further in to time.

    To say it to an Asian it doesn't register.


  • #189
    Bob24
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    Danzy wrote: »
    While I would never take selfie there. It is sinking further in to time.

    To say it to an Asian it doesn't register.

    I actually visited the place with two Chinese in their 30s and both were extremely respectful and interested in the actual history. It’s more a matter of mentality and deciding to care about it or not - when you go there it is obvious what it represents and while an Asian might not feel as personally connected to it as a European, no one has to be a rocket scientist to understand the significance of the place so there is no saying “I didn’t know”. And equally a European visiting a Nanjing massacre memorial would be an idiot not to behave respectfully there knowing what it represents for the society they are visiting.


  • #190
    harry Bailey esq
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    The need to mark one's name is a very common and strong human need. Especially in places of high cultural relevance, no matter the relevance itself.

    Go to any historic site, even going back thousands of years and you will be nearly guaranteed to find "Kilroy was here" type graffiti going back many centuries. The only writing* so far found on the Great Pyramid of Egypt is graffiti of this type, written at the time of construction(and how we know who it was actually built for). It's also covered with names from the many centuries in between and up to today. There is thousand year old graffiti to be found in Newgrange and a few 17th, 18th and 19th century scribblings too.

    If there is already an area covered with names, this acts as a magnet for more names to follow and makes it seem somewhat accepted as a group effort(EG the wall of the Abbey Road studios covered in Beatle's fan scribblings). Even in such a place as Auschwitz. A blasphemy like Auschwitz can even add to the draw. Beyond the ego souvenir aspect, scratching a name into such a horror can be felt as a weird benediction and a memento mori and a reminder that you're at least alive to scribble it as a witness.

    Such places evoke many feelings. Our culture possesses it as a thing for us all. An individual may seek to possess or add to it on the personal level. Only a few years back a few idiots made off with the camp entrance sign. An icon indeed. It seemed they didn't steal it to sell it, but just to possess it as a cultural totem(IIRC it's now indoors in a museum and a replica takes its former place).

    So while I in no way condone such a thing, nor would even begin consider it myself, I can see that it doesn't require an explanation or excuse like "special needs" for someone to do such a thing.





    *unusually it's the only such structure of ancient Egypt that is devoid of hieroglyphs.

    Agreed. That's why dogs piss on poles wibbser


  • #191
    Wibbs
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    Bob24 wrote: »
    I actually visited the place with two Chinese in their 30s and both were extremely respectful and interested in the actual history. It’s more a matter of mentality and deciding to care about it or not - when you go there it is obvious what it represents and while an Asian might not feel as personally connected to it as a European, no one has to be a rocket scientist to understand the significance of the place so there is no saying “I didn’t know”. And equally a European visiting a Nanjing massacre memorial would be an idiot not to behave respectfully there knowing what it represents for the society they are visiting.
    Oh I agree, I just outlined why someone would do such a thing and why it doesn't automatically require either unusual stupidity or unusual malice.
    Bob24 wrote: »
    I was in Auschwitz 2 years ago and while not a majority you wouldn’t believe the amount of adults who were there taking a selfie with a smiley face under the “arbeit macht frei” sign or in a death chamber.
    Which is interesting in another way: both the sign and the gas chambers at Auschwitz are reproductions. The sign because they wanted to preserve the original and stop it being stolen, the gas chamber was a post war reconstruction by the Soviets as the Germans had dynamited the actual ones in an attempt to cover their crime(originals survive at Dachau and Majdanek. Belsen never had one). It shows the power of symbolism. One group take selfies of their dumb smiles, another is naturally repelled by that, both in front of duplicates.

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  • #192
    imme
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    First the guy going onto the Ryanair flight his way,
    Then Peter Casey
    And now this guy

    There must be something in the water


  • #193
    Humphrey BoaGart
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    The Polish authorities must be fuhrerious.


  • #194
    Graces7
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    Ignorant.... primitive.... ******* utterly shameful and despicable.


  • #195
    lawred2
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    indioblack wrote: »
    I recall Bruce Marshall's book about the British secret agent who was captured and sent to Buchenwald. He was suprised at the dark humour used by some of the inmates - Mel brooks would have approved. But this was humour used by the inmates themselves about their own ghastly situation.
    Some years ago I tried to explain the comedy of "Dad's Army" to a Polish workmate. He didn't think it funny at all.
    "There's nothing in bad taste as long as it's funny". Maybe.

    Never found Dad's Army funny either.


  • #196
    wingsof daun
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    Auschwitz is the biggest fraud of a memorial in history. The only gas chamber was put there by Stalin in, guess what year...1947. Two years after the Holocaust. The signs in Auschwitz in 1992 were taken down (some) because the info was being presented as fact to millions of tourists but was totally false. Whatever about the other camps, I cant stand Auschwitz for the above reasons. We had Amy The Holocaust Hubermann on Tubridy, it just goes on and on and on, it is nauseating. Seriously. Remember our own history. The Holocaust is a fking religion that could go on till the end of time.


  • #197
    Hitman3000
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    wingsof daun wrote:
    Auschwitz is the biggest fraud of a memorial in history. The only gas chamber was put there by Stalin in, guess what year...1947. Two years after the Holocaust. The signs in Auschwitz in 1992 were taken down (some) because the info was being presented as fact by millions of tourists but was totally false. Whatever about the other camps, I cant stand Auschwitz for the above reasons. We had Amy The Holocaust Hubermann on Tubridy, it just goes on and on and on, it is nauseating. Seriously. Remember our own history. The Holocaust is a fking religion that could go on till the end of time.


    Some of the buildings maybe 'fake' however the killings were not. It happened.


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    wingsof daun
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭wingsof daun


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Some of the buildings maybe 'fake' however the killings were not. It happened.

    If there was no gas chamber there during the Holocaust (at Auschwitz) how did the killings happen? And on that scale? I was never told people died from disease, lack of supplies or exposure at Auschwitz yet that is the most realistic answer.


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    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,408 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    wingsof daun wrote: »
    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Some of the buildings maybe 'fake' however the killings were not. It happened.

    I was never told people died from disease, lack of supplies or exposure at Auschwitz yet that is the most realistic answer.

    Oh! That makes it all right so! Thanks for clearing that up. I'm now reappraising my views on the Nazi's policy towards the Jews and other groups that died at their hands. Clearly, they were a great bunch of lads after all.


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    Bob24
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    Maybe people should have a look here before posting on what did or did not happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp

    It quotes an estimate of 1.1 million people killed at the Auschwitz camps (the article has more details on when and how the killings happened which is probably better for everyone to go review themselves only if they want to).

    Not saying Wikipedia is the absolute truth and people can question it if they want and provide other sources, but it seems like to me a bit of self-documentation would be a good thing before anyone posts about what happened or didn’t happen there.


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    Dan Jaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,906 ✭✭✭✭Dan Jaman


    wingsof daun wrote: »
    Auschwitz is the biggest fraud of a memorial in history. The only gas chamber was put there by Stalin in, guess what year...1947. Two years after the Holocaust. The signs in Auschwitz in 1992 were taken down (some) because the info was being presented as fact to millions of tourists but was totally false. Whatever about the other camps, I cant stand Auschwitz for the above reasons. We had Amy The Holocaust Hubermann on Tubridy, it just goes on and on and on, it is nauseating. Seriously. Remember our own history. The Holocaust is a fking religion that could go on till the end of time.


    Not sure whether you're trying to deny the awfulness that was the Holocaust or not, or whether or not Auschwitz was a death camp.
    It was certainly a death camp, but mainly as a result of the work-to-death policy of the slave regime in place around that area. There were various manufacturies in place, all drawing labour from the slave pool of Auschwitz camps (plural - it's a huge complex). Many thousands died there, in horrible conditions, but it wasn't actually a mass-extermination camp like a few others. Whatever, the net result was the same. 
    Вашему собственному бычьему дерьму нельзя верить - V Putin




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