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    #2942
    podge3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭podge3


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Did you contact them about it podge?

    I was going to order ovoids from them now that the price has dropped but I'm not sure after reading your post.
    I didn't contact them TBH as I don't really see any point. I can't send it back and it does burn, although not as good as previous batches.

    I have recommended these ovoids to lots of friends and family over the last few years but unfortunately can no longer do so based on what I now have.


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    #2943
    Vwsham
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Vwsham


    I’m fortunate enough to live in a border area for coal and oil. The best ovoids I have found are ‘Coalite’. Usually around €16 a bag, they produce far superior heat and a lot less ash than it’s competitors. It’s like they are harder or tighter compressed than the others. Coalite seems to have far less sulphur content too. Highly recommended as I find that quality of other ovoids seems to vary a lot.


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    #2944
    cranefly
    Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭cranefly


    Recently i have had a good amount of slag sticking to the grate every morning when cleaning the ashes, we use Kosyking kosy glo ovoids, every couple of days i have to get a hammer and chisel and try to get it all off, we only use coal, nothing else, it got to the point where it was eating through the grate of our esse 350gs boiler stove, so we ordered a new grate and fitted it a couple of weeks ago, and within 3 days the same slag is sticking to the grate like concrete, i was talking to the guys at Kosyking, who are very helpful, and they told me that no one else has this problem to their knowledge, and there is no change in their supplier of this type of coal.

    We have been using this type of coal for years, must have ordered 20 tons by now, and it is only recently with the last few pallets that we have had this slag sticking to the grate, they advised trying another type of coal, we have tried different types in the past, but found kosy glo to be the best for our needs. it must be the coal that has changed, as the last grate had no problems at all with kosy glo for years.


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    #2945
    corks finest
    Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭corks finest


    cranefly wrote: »
    Recently i have had a good amount of slag sticking to the grate every morning when cleaning the ashes, we use Kosyking kosy glo ovoids, every couple of days i have to get a hammer and chisel and try to get it all off, we only use coal, nothing else, it got to the point where it was eating through the grate of our esse 350gs boiler stove, so we ordered a new grate and fitted it a couple of weeks ago, and within 3 days the same slag is sticking to the grate like concrete, i was talking to the guys at Kosyking, who are very helpful, and they told me that no one else has this problem to their knowledge, and there is no change in their supplier of this type of coal.

    We have been using this type of coal for years, must have ordered 20 tons by now, and it is only recently with the last few pallets that we have had this slag sticking to the grate, they advised trying another type of coal, we have tried different types in the past, but found kosy glo to be the best for our needs. it must be the coal that has changed, as the last grate had no problems at all with kosy glo for years.

    Have similar problem, actually change my grate at least once a year (grates now are crap,don't last- 16 " one in my local co op is cheap enough though around the e18 mark ( dairygold co op Carrigalin)


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    #2946
    tinofapples
    Registered Users Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭tinofapples


    cranefly wrote: »
    Recently i have had a good amount of slag sticking to the grate every morning when cleaning the ashes, we use Kosyking kosy glo ovoids, every couple of days i have to get a hammer and chisel and try to get it all off, we only use coal, nothing else, it got to the point where it was eating through the grate of our esse 350gs boiler stove, so we ordered a new grate and fitted it a couple of weeks ago, and within 3 days the same slag is sticking to the grate like concrete, i was talking to the guys at Kosyking, who are very helpful, and they told me that no one else has this problem to their knowledge, and there is no change in their supplier of this type of coal.

    We have been using this type of coal for years, must have ordered 20 tons by now, and it is only recently with the last few pallets that we have had this slag sticking to the grate, they advised trying another type of coal, we have tried different types in the past, but found kosy glo to be the best for our needs. it must be the coal that has changed, as the last grate had no problems at all with kosy glo for years.


    Have had similar problems with grate in my solid fuel boiler but with Polish Doubles from Kosyking as well. :(


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    #2947
    Vwsham
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Vwsham


    tinofapples wrote: »
    Have had similar problems with grate in my solid fuel boiler but with Polish Doubles from Kosyking as well. :(

    The slag you mention is also known as ‘clinker’ and is usually a result of ash bonding at high temperatures. It can be like concrete alright, often it can only be removed when the range is not lit. Can’t say this is usually an issue with ovoids as the ash tends to be very fine and riddles well.


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    #2948
    Tinder Surprise
    Registered Users Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭Tinder Surprise


    podge3 wrote: »
    I'm very unhappy with my last delivery of ovoids from CW.

    I have been getting ovoids from them since this thread started, probably got about 12 tons in total now. I have always found they burn great, with very little ash left.

    However, the last delivery a few weeks back must be a different recipe. I used to have a few shovels of light (in weight) brownish grey ash in the morning but now I have about 20% of the original volume of ovoids in heavy black ash. Heat output seems down as well.

    Nothing to be done now but burn through the 2 tons and probably move onto another supplier for my delivery next winter.
    podge3 wrote: »
    I didn't contact them TBH as I don't really see any point. I can't send it back and it does burn, although not as good as previous batches.

    I have recommended these ovoids to lots of friends and family over the last few years but unfortunately can no longer do so based on what I now have.


    You're not alone Podge.



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    .. I've had the exact same experience. I've sent on images and my findings, and had a conversation over Facebook messenger with the manager, but it came to nothing.

    I'm relecutant now to order anymore from them tbh, as the quality of the last tonne was inferior to other years, and I knew I couldn't be the only one.

    If you are getting on to them you can mention my case if it helps, and I can PM you details and screenshots of the conversations I had.


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    #2949
    cranefly
    Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭cranefly


    tinofapples wrote: »
    Have had similar problems with grate in my solid fuel boiler but with Polish Doubles from Kosyking as well. :(

    This also happened years ago when we had the open fireplace burning normal household coal, it would burn through the grate every year or so, although when we built the house in 1995 the grate lasted well over 10 years, we only changed it because we thought it could do with a new one, not because it was too damaged or anything, with the newer grates, we were lucky to get 2 years out of them, before they completely got burnt through, so the materials they were using were not as good as they were in 95.

    The boiler stove we got in 2012 had a grate that lasted for 6 years burning first CW ovoids then kosy glo ovoids, and not a problem until the last 2 pallets, they are doing something different with the way they make these ovoids that is for sure, although it burns really well, gives off good heat, very little ash, compared to some others, leaves a nice amount of cinders to start the fire again the next day, but something has changed. They do not make anything now like they use to, that is for sure.


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    #2950
    Sheedy234
    Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭Sheedy234


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Did you contact them about it podge?

    I was going to order ovoids from them now that the price has dropped but I'm not sure after reading your post.

    I got large ovoids from easyglow this winter and was very happy with them. My last lot from CW were pure wet . Easyglow arrange the delivery themselves.


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    #2951
    podge3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭podge3


    Tinder Surprise wrote: »
    You're not alone Podge.



    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111894113&postcount=2889

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    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111914717&postcount=2898

    .. I've had the exact same experience. I've sent on images and my findings, and had a conversation over Facebook messenger with the manager, but it came to nothing.

    I'm relecutant now to order anymore from them tbh, as the quality of the last tonne was inferior to other years, and I knew I couldn't be the only one.

    If you are getting on to them you can mention my case if it helps, and I can PM you details and screenshots of the conversations I had.
    Thanks for the info.

    Another Boardsie also contacted me about a poor experience they had with CW. I was going to contact the company but now I'm thinking there is no real point. Even if they give me a discount on the next order, I won't be buying from them again.

    The only solution that would be of interest to me is the complete replacement of the 2 tons I have with a batch of a different recipe but I can see that happening with CW.


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    #2952
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    podge3 wrote: »
    Thanks for the info.

    Another Boardsie also contacted me about a poor experience they had with CW. I was going to contact the company but now I'm thinking there is no real point. Even if they give me a discount on the next order, I won't be buying from them again.

    The only solution that would be of interest to me is the complete replacement of the 2 tons I have with a batch of a different recipe but I can see that happening with CW.

    I contacted them after I read your post and told them I was going to place an order but had seen negative feedback on boards.ie about a recent batch of ovoids and asked if they had changed supplier recently.

    I was told they are using the same supplier as the previous few years and it's possible the customer got a load with a lot of dust in the bags.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #2953
    podge3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭podge3


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    I contacted them after I read your post and told them I was going to place an order but had seen negative feedback on boards.ie about a recent batch of ovoids and asked if they had changed supplier recently.

    I was told they are using the same supplier as the previous few years and it's possible the customer got a load with a lot of dust in the bags.
    Thanks for the update.

    No dust in the bags at all, the ovoids look like they always have, just not burning as well and with a lot of black dust left over. I also think they take longer to get going when lit.

    I probably will ring now just to see what they say.


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    #2954
    podge3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭podge3


    I just messaged them on Facebook, will report back if I get an update.


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    #2955
    septicsac
    Registered Users Posts: 485 ✭✭septicsac


    Vwsham wrote: »
    I’m fortunate enough to live in a border area for coal and oil. The best ovoids I have found are ‘Coalite’. Usually around €16 a bag, they produce far superior heat and a lot less ash than it’s competitors. It’s like they are harder or tighter compressed than the others. Coalite seems to have far less sulphur content too. Highly recommended as I find that quality of other ovoids seems to vary a lot.

    Where are you buying he Coalite, not heard of it before?
    Have used:
    Stovoids from King coal, dear but great heat
    Easyglo (a lot of broken ovoids looked like 2nds but burnt well)
    Kosyking ovoids, no issues, but worried about slag comments re recent batches
    Worst about buying half tonne or tonne is if you get bad stuff its a pain in the ####


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    #2956
    Tinder Surprise
    Registered Users Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭Tinder Surprise


    podge3 wrote: »
    Thanks for the update.

    No dust in the bags at all, the ovoids look like they always have, just not burning as well and with a lot of black dust left over. I also think they take longer to get going when lit.

    I probably will ring now just to see what they say.
    podge3 wrote: »
    I just messaged them on Facebook, will report back if I get an update.

    Keep us updated.

    If it helps I was speaking extensively to Ronan about the issue in December who I sent numerous photos about the quality and some observations I made.

    So you guys 100% won't have been the only ones on and I suspect many others too. It can do no harm.


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    #2957
    taytobreath
    Registered Users Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭taytobreath


    I too have noticed a decline in the quality of CW ovoids. They seem to have a lower heat output and lots more ash and they burn faster. I'm noticing also there are way too many broken bits and dust in the bags.
    I will send on a message also. Maybe if we all make complaints they might go back to the original quality. Otherwise its bye bye CW


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    #2958
    Tinder Surprise
    Registered Users Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭Tinder Surprise


    taytobreath wrote: »
    I too have noticed a decline in the quality of CW ovoids. They seem to have a lower heat output and lots more ash and they burn faster. I'm noticing also there are way too many broken bits and dust in the bags.
    I will send on a message also. Maybe if we all make complaints they might go back to the original quality. Otherwise its bye bye CW

    No harm.

    Yea, some of the photos I sent them in Dec noted the broken Ovoids and the crystalising is the center of them. They felt different too...weight wise.

    I do know they had a really bad batch of poiish coal the season before, would they have used that in the ovoids as a mix, or am I talking through my hole here?


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    #2959
    taytobreath
    Registered Users Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭taytobreath


    Tinder Surprise wrote: »
    No harm.

    Yea, some of the photos I sent them in Dec noted the broken Ovoids and the crystalising is the center of them. They felt different too...weight wise.

    I do know they had a really bad batch of poiish coal the season before, would they have used that in the ovoids as a mix, or am I talking through my hole here?

    That's a good point. U may well be right.

    In fairness to them they are good to respond to messages, I just got this reply from them.

    No, we have been using the same supplier this past few years, possible that it is a bad batch but thank you for letting us know and I am going to pass these messages onto to our supplier also. Will get chatting to Ronan tomorrow and come back to you.


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    #2960
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    taytobreath wrote: »
    That's a good point. U may well be right.

    In fairness to them they are good to respond to messages, I just got this reply from them.

    No, we have been using the same supplier this past few years, possible that it is a bad batch but thank you for letting us know and I am going to pass these messages onto to our supplier also. Will get chatting to Ronan tomorrow and come back to you.

    Seems odd that they are saying it's a bad batch but not Willing to rectify it


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    #2961
    podge3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭podge3


    Tinder Surprise wrote: »
    I do know they had a really bad batch of poiish coal the season before, would they have used that in the ovoids as a mix, or am I talking through my hole here?
    Actually, I must have gotten some of that coal also.

    I normally get an 8:1 mix of ovoids/coal from CW. Last year, the coal was really bad. I only use coal to light the fire so it didn't really bother me and had forgotten until you mentioned it.


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    #2962
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    I still have 4-5 of those red bags left, I remember getting some discount when I ordered the following ton after complaining about the quality of it.

    To be quite honest it's not that bad, burned a few bags of it last week and the week before mixed with blocks and it was okay, some cinders alright but just used them to start the next day's fire.

    I was going to order half and half ovoids and Polish again but I think I'll give the ovoids a skip now after reading the latest posts here, thinking maybe half a ton of Colombian doubles might be worth a go. Anyone try them in a stove or know of anything that might be better value?

    Also is McGovern's the cheapest courier at 60 euro plus vat per ton?

    Thanks for all the feedback by the way guys.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #2963
    taytobreath
    Registered Users Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭taytobreath


    I am just following up on coal warehouse current poor batch of ovoids. I got the following message from them today.

    "we have been onto our suppliers and we have been told due to the Covoid-19 shipping restrictions they have run out of their normal binder and have had to source a different binder which is not as good, they have assured me that before the end of the month they will have their old binder back in stock and therefore the ovoids will improve."


    I bought my tonne of coal before covid existed. So i'll take that message with a pinch of salt.


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    #2964
    SouthWesterly
    Registered Users Posts: 6,501 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    taytobreath wrote: »
    I am just following up on coal warehouse current poor batch of ovoids. I got the following message from them today.

    "we have been onto our suppliers and we have been told due to the Covoid-19 shipping restrictions they have run out of their normal binder and have had to source a different binder which is not as good, they have assured me that before the end of the month they will have their old binder back in stock and therefore the ovoids will improve."


    I bought my tonne of coal before covid existed. So i'll take that message with a pinch of salt.
    Have you gone back to them with that information?


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    #2965
    taytobreath
    Registered Users Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭taytobreath


    SouthWesterly wrote: »
    Have you gone back to them with that information?

    No


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    #2966
    vickers209
    Registered Users Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭vickers209


    Just to remind people suppliers down the south of Ireland will have to pay the increase in carbon tax from next friday 1st may.

    A Bag of 40kg coal is increasing 80c a bag
    Briquettes are going up 30c a bale
    small 11kg of gas around €1 increase
    large cylinders approx €4.50 increase
    heating oil will also increase around €20 for 1000litres
    .
    This won't effect buying from the north just local suppliers


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    #2967
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    vickers209 wrote: »
    Just to remind people suppliers down the south of Ireland will have to pay the increase in carbon tax from next friday 1st may.

    A Bag of 40kg coal is increasing 80c a bag
    Briquettes are going up 30c a bale
    small 11kg of gas around €1 increase
    large cylinders approx €4.50 increase
    heating oil will also increase around €20 for 1000litres
    .
    This won't effect buying from the north just local suppliers

    And the Green Party not even in Government yet.


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    #2968
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    mgn wrote: »
    And the Green Party not even in Government yet.

    They have an awful lot to answer for with their staggered taxes affecting the poorest and most vulnerable.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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    #2969
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    They have an awful lot to answer for with their staggered taxes affecting the poorest and most vulnerable.

    Its not going to effect Catherine Martin and her husband with 2 TDs wages of €192,000 plus expenses, but i suppose that's for another thread.


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    #2970
    Tinder Surprise
    Registered Users Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭Tinder Surprise


    taytobreath wrote: »
    I am just following up on coal warehouse current poor batch of ovoids. I got the following message from them today.

    "we have been onto our suppliers and we have been told due to the Covoid-19 shipping restrictions they have run out of their normal binder and have had to source a different binder which is not as good, they have assured me that before the end of the month they will have their old binder back in stock and therefore the ovoids will improve."


    I bought my tonne of coal before covid existed. So i'll take that message with a pinch of salt.

    Ehhhh I bought my tonne way before anyone even knew there was a place in China named Wuhan :)


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    #2971
    Tinder Surprise
    Registered Users Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭Tinder Surprise


    taytobreath wrote: »
    No

    If you want you can mention my complaint/report to Ronan over messanger way back

    Only if u want to mate


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