AIL 2020-2021

luke9311 · 25-06-2020 3:51pm

Five Eighth wrote: »

I agree. Malahide would have won the league but, I think, Wanderers would have been promoted through the play-offs. Division 2B is very hard to call with, last year, 6 sides vying for the top 4. Very good standard in 2B last season. Couldn't really make an informed prediction as to how it's going to go this season.

Yeah very true think malahide will go on to win outright next season tbh and rock will be there there abouts I think too blaney is a solid coach

Five Eighth · 25-06-2020 4:19pm

luke9311 wrote: »

Yeah very true think malahide will go on to win outright next season tbh and rock will be there there abouts I think too blaney is a solid coach

Blaney certainly knows his stuff and was very successful at Terenure. He will certainly have his work cut out to get Rock out of 2B this season. There's Malahide, the two Galway clubs, Rock, Wanderers, Greystones and even Sligo, who did very well last season, all in contention. Not to forget Dungannon and Belfast Harlequins. Very tight and all to play for!

FellasFellas · 26-06-2020 9:08am

Malahide are losing a lot of players to Bective. Would imagine this will affect them going forward, and could slip out of top 4.

Five Eighth · 26-06-2020 12:18pm

FellasFellas wrote: »

Malahide are losing a lot of players to Bective. Would imagine this will affect them going forward, and could slip out of top 4.

Surprised to read that Malahide are losing players as they were recruiting like mad over the last few seasons. Maybe the players they're losing are squad members more so than first team starters?

luke9311 · 26-06-2020 4:03pm

FellasFellas wrote: »

Malahide are losing a lot of players to Bective. Would imagine this will affect them going forward, and could slip out of top 4.

Yeah I think malahide have the odd few michaels lads out there wouldn’t surpise me if they go to Bective given the connection jackman has to the school but would have thought ail club would attract players rather than junior rugby Leinster league

Lucas44 · 26-06-2020 4:14pm

luke9311 wrote: »

Yeah I think malahide have the odd few michaels lads out there wouldn’t surpise me if they go to Bective given the connection jackman has to the school but would have thought ail club would attract players rather than junior rugby Leinster league

Or the fact there unable to offer there players the financial means and compensation for playing in 2b that they were promised within the last few years when joining.. malahide like many of these Dublin clubs in lower levels are only going to go as far as their financial backers take them

luke9311 · 26-06-2020 5:56pm

Lucas44 wrote: »

Or the fact there unable to offer there players the financial means and compensation for playing in 2b that they were promised within the last few years when joining.. malahide like many of these Dublin clubs in lower levels are only going to go as far as their financial backers take them

Yeah very true but still what benefit would they get in likes of Bective? I made the point a while back 9-10 years back Bective had a decent team got a flock of players from clubs like ucc Clontarf I think one of two from Belvo too and pushed for 1b that season (when they were playing 2a ail) and didn’t get it and then just went downhill from there coaches left players went to other clubs etc I could be wrong but I just see Bective doing the same again even if they get back into ail next year or season after can’t see players sticking around too long

The Lost Sheep · 26-06-2020 9:58pm

luke9311 wrote: »

Yeah very true but still what benefit would they get in likes of Bective? I made the point a while back 9-10 years back Bective had a decent team got a flock of players from clubs like ucc Clontarf I think one of two from Belvo too and pushed for 1b that season (when they were playing 2a ail) and didn’t get it and then just went downhill from there coaches left players went to other clubs etc I could be wrong but I just see Bective doing the same again even if they get back into ail next year or season after can’t see players sticking around too long

they were a side that never ultimately were near good enough to push for promotion from division 2 to division 1 or when the change came to division 1B. But were majority of seasons more than good enough to avoid relegation to division 3. In the time of 15/16 team divisions they finished more often than not 5th/6th but not near the top places. Only lasted 2 seasons in 2B before 1 season in 2C which was the season they went down to junior.
Bective wont get near senior or anything else unless they totally change their approach at every level including age grade. They used always be able to attract some very decent players to play for them but very very good players will just fo elsewhere now. They need to develop a far better age grade structure and develop within themselves. Tie in their ground in glenamuxk and field youths teams. Work more on their 20s to mix a youths team and the players returning from schools.

luke9311 · 27-06-2020 2:26pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

they were a side that never ultimately were near good enough to push for promotion from division 2 to division 1 or when the change came to division 1B. But were majority of seasons more than good enough to avoid relegation to division 3. In the time of 15/16 team divisions they finished more often than not 5th/6th but not near the top places. Only lasted 2 seasons in 2B before 1 season in 2C which was the season they went down to junior.
Bective wont get near senior or anything else unless they totally change their approach at every level including age grade. They used always be able to attract some very decent players to play for them but very very good players will just fo elsewhere now. They need to develop a far better age grade structure and develop within themselves. Tie in their ground in glenamuxk and field youths teams. Work more on their 20s to mix a youths team and the players returning from schools.

Yeah hard not to disagree with you there can’t see Bective or any club in junior or lower ail divisions going up the ranks without a good system in place your likes of the bigger clubs doing well these days like con tarf Lansdowne and Belvo to an extend in 1b have all strong enough 20s squads/strength and depth there to choose from etc. In that Bective squad I spoke about then it was kinda destined in a way to fail given they didn’t value the underage set up and heavily relied on players like Henry Bryce and players from other clubs etc coming in to do the work for them. Most of them coaches of that squad interestingly enough are over the Greystones seniors now and they have a 20s set up and going right down to underage ranks

The Lost Sheep · 27-06-2020 2:39pm

luke9311 wrote: »

Yeah hard not to disagree with you there can’t see Bective or any club in junior or lower ail divisions going up the ranks without a good system in place your likes of the bigger clubs doing well these days like con tarf Lansdowne and Belvo to an extend in 1b have all strong enough 20s squads/strength and depth there to choose from etc. In that Bective squad I spoke about then it was kinda destined in a way to fail given they didn’t value the underage set up and heavily relied on players like Henry Bryce and players from other clubs etc coming in to do the work for them. Most of them coaches of that squad interestingly enough are over the Greystones seniors now and they have a 20s set up and going right down to underage ranks

its not that bective didnt value underage system. They just couldnt attract players for 20s and when i said age grade i meant 13s to 18s. The club needs to be fielding at all these age groups year in year out. Getting kids in the rugby schools who are on 3rds, 4ths, 5ths, and then from the non rugby schools. Play in school-club or the youths leagues.
Con field at every age group after years of not having much at under 16s and 18s then fielding strong 20s. Lansdowne have decent underage teams as well fielding in school-club leagues

Five Eighth · 27-06-2020 4:04pm

FellasFellas wrote: »

Malahide are losing a lot of players to Bective. Would imagine this will affect them going forward, and could slip out of top 4.

While Jackman's high profile is surely an asset for Bective when recruiting, Malahide's player/head coach Guilfoyle is a recruiting machine. If it is true that Malahide are losing players to Bective and Monkstown, then something is not right in the Malahide kitchen.

luke9311 · 27-06-2020 4:12pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

its not that bective didnt value underage system. They just couldnt attract players for 20s and when i said age grade i meant 13s to 18s. The club needs to be fielding at all these age groups year in year out. Getting kids in the rugby schools who are on 3rds, 4ths, 5ths, and then from the non rugby schools. Play in school-club or the youths leagues.
Con field at every age group after years of not having much at under 16s and 18s then fielding strong 20s. Lansdowne have decent underage teams as well fielding in school-club leagues

Very true I wasn’t aware u were talking as low as 13-18s I thought u meant u20s mainly... hard thing to get right even when the club is located or any club for that matter in that area given how big schools rugby has gotten when a young lad plays club all through primary school then goes into 1st year of secondary school and further years u would imagine he would opt to focus solely on schools rugby. I know many michaels gonzaga blackrock players etc over the years that left clubs to play for their respective schools teams

The Lost Sheep · 27-06-2020 7:37pm

luke9311 wrote: »

Very true I wasn’t aware u were talking as low as 13-18s I thought u meant u20s mainly... hard thing to get right even when the club is located or any club for that matter in that area given how big schools rugby has gotten when a young lad plays club all through primary school then goes into 1st year of secondary school and further years u would imagine he would opt to focus solely on schools rugby. I know many michaels gonzaga blackrock players etc over the years that left clubs to play for their respective schools teams

it shouldnt be have to be that difficult as theres so many kids in Dublin and they could try in non rugby schools as well as kids who may be in the rugby schools but not on the centrepiece teams to attract then
They should be reminded of Brian o Driscoll and plenty others will have played some club rugby while still in secondary school.

Gatekeeper23 · 30-06-2020 9:05am

Any update on the format of the leagues for the year? Have heard the IRFU and clubs are keen to keep provincial leagues in order to protect finances etc

The Lost Sheep · 30-06-2020 10:55am

Gatekeeper23 wrote: »

Any update on the format of the leagues for the year? Have heard the IRFU and clubs are keen to keep provincial leagues in order to protect finances etc

it will be regional not provincial if it does change and hopefully if there is a change it's for one season only.

Gatekeeper23 · 30-06-2020 12:13pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

it will be regional not provincial if it does change and hopefully if there is a change it's for one season only.

Would make sense to return to regional/provincial tournaments. AIL is on it's knees, crowds are non-existent for the most part. A return to local derbies, less travel and provincial leagues would be welcomed by most clubs.

luke9311 · 30-06-2020 12:44pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

it will be regional not provincial if it does change and hopefully if there is a change it's for one season only.

How will they plan to run that? Given there’s 5 Dublin clubs in 1a 2 in cork and limerick and only 1 up north... I haven’t looked greatly at lower divisions but I’d imagine it’s somewhat close or similar stats... they gonna mix all the division 1 club with division 2 etc in the region or keep them separate...

The Lost Sheep · 30-06-2020 1:46pm

luke9311 wrote: »

How will they plan to run that? Given there’s 5 Dublin clubs in 1a 2 in cork and limerick and only 1 up north... I haven’t looked greatly at lower divisions but I’d imagine it’s somewhat close or similar stats... they gonna mix all the division 1 club with division 2 etc in the region or keep them separate...

if its regional I imagine it would be division 2 only.
If you look at provinces division 2 has 5 connacht, 9 Munster 8 Ulster and 8 Leinster

Though division 1 has 10 leinster sides 6 Munster and 4 Ulster so could be some compromise there as well

luke9311 · 30-06-2020 2:31pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

if its regional I imagine it would be division 2 only.
If you look at provinces division 2 has 5 connacht, 9 Munster 8 Ulster and 8 Leinster

Though division 1 has 10 leinster sides 6 Munster and 4 Ulster so could be some compromise there as well

Fair point I new thought about 1b clubs from a 1a perspective... if it goes Regional for one season while we overcome this I do think there will be the possibility the will look at it further and maybe do it for the future of the league too tbh

The Lost Sheep · 30-06-2020 3:14pm

luke9311 wrote: »

Fair point I new thought about 1b clubs from a 1a perspective... if it goes Regional for one season while we overcome this I do think there will be the possibility the will look at it further and maybe do it for the future of the league too tbh

I dont think it's the future of the league. At least for the top 30 clubs at least
The league needs more support. Both from within it's own membership, from the supporters of provinces who go to f all rugby beyond the pro game as well as the general public.
Regional league isnt the answer to most issues in the league.

Five Eighth · 30-06-2020 4:56pm

Gatekeeper23 wrote: »

Any update on the format of the leagues for the year? Have heard the IRFU and clubs are keen to keep provincial leagues in order to protect finances etc

There's an old saying 'Never waste a good crisis'. It isn't too long ago since the IRFU wanted to restructure the AIL. In 2018 the proposal was to have two Premiership divisions with eighth teams in each and two Championship divisions again with eighth teams in each. The Premiership and Championship, it was envisaged, would be played on a national basis. The restructuring also included two Conference divisions (also with eight teams in each) which would be regionally focused. The AIL clubs overwhelmingly rejected the restructuring plan. Is this the opportunity for the IRFU to revisit this plan?

We're now at the end of June, the AIL doesn't need to start until October, even later. If Ireland has maintained control of the virus and full-island travel is the norm, why not go for a 'normal' season fixture list?

Stainalert · 30-06-2020 5:10pm

Gatekeeper23 wrote: »

Would make sense to return to regional/provincial tournaments. AIL is on it's knees, crowds are non-existent for the most part. A return to local derbies, less travel and provincial leagues would be welcomed by most clubs.

The vast majority of clubs favour AIL over provincial / regional leagues

RuPi · 30-06-2020 7:45pm

Whilst previously the Majority of clubs were in favour of AIL, this last few months and the loss of revenue may have changed that. It seems the chat is Provincial leagues until Christmas with AIL in the New Year, the provincial games would mean less costs and potentially bigger crowds to try and get clubs back up on their feet.

it’s no secret the IRFU want to bridge the gap between club rugby and A games and if clubs felt this period of provincial rugby was financially more beneficial in the long run it may be the IRFU’s way to get the clubs to agree to the two divisions of 8 sides on an all ireland basis with the other clubs returning to provincial/regional rugby.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Five Eighth · 30-06-2020 7:47pm

Stainalert wrote: »

The vast majority of clubs favour AIL over provincial / regional leagues

I think only two AIL clubs (Cons and UCC - i'm open to contradiction) voted for the 2018 league restructuring. No senior club wants to be left behind. Once you have some clubs playing nationally and others playing regionally, then a huge gap will open up between the national and provincial clubs. Obviously any ambitious young rugby player will want to further their career chances by playing for the senior club that is playing in the national competition. This would just make the big clubs bigger.

Stainalert · 30-06-2020 8:22pm

RuPi wrote: »

Whilst previously the Majority of clubs were in favour of AIL, this last few months and the loss of revenue may have changed that. It seems the chat is Provincial leagues until Christmas with AIL in the New Year, the provincial games would mean less costs and potentially bigger crowds to try and get clubs back up on their feet.

it’s no secret the IRFU want to bridge the gap between club rugby and A games and if clubs felt this period of provincial rugby was financially more beneficial in the long run it may be the IRFU’s way to get the clubs to agree to the two divisions of 8 sides on an all ireland basis with the other clubs returning to provincial/regional rugby.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

The provincial argument is very much the view of some Munster clubs outside of 1A. Still a lot of travel involved if Munster clubs went provincial so it is not as cheap an option as you might think. Leinster have had a provincial league for years so less excitement about that idea in these parts.

I'm hopeful we can return to some sort of normality and all going well can have a decent amount of AIL this side of Christmas.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/saveas-new-zealand-example-again-highlights-how-ail-is-a-brutally-underused-resource-39327033.html 

The Lost Sheep · 30-06-2020 8:42pm

RuPi wrote: »

Whilst previously the Majority of clubs were in favour of AIL, this last few months and the loss of revenue may have changed that. It seems the chat is Provincial leagues until Christmas with AIL in the New Year, the provincial games would mean less costs and potentially bigger crowds to try and get clubs back up on their feet.

it’s no secret the IRFU want to bridge the gap between club rugby and A games and if clubs felt this period of provincial rugby was financially more beneficial in the long run it may be the IRFU’s way to get the clubs to agree to the two divisions of 8 sides on an all ireland basis with the other clubs returning to provincial/regional rugby.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out.

bigger crowds may occur with more games played on reguonalised basis but crowds will only really increase if a lot of other changes occur.
I dont think regional divisions below the top levels is right as some clubs/IRFU will try close that level off and that isnt good for the game.

Five Eighth wrote: »

I think only two AIL clubs (Cons and UCC - i'm open to contradiction) voted for the 2018 league restructuring. No senior club wants to be left behind. Once you have some clubs playing nationally and others playing regionally, then a huge gap will open up between the national and provincial clubs. Obviously any ambitious young rugby player will want to further their career chances by playing for the senior club that is playing in the national competition. This would just make the big clubs bigger.

totally agree. Players already leave in big numbers to the big city clubs at 20s and some do come back but many dont.

Stainalert wrote: »

The provincial argument is very much the view of some Munster clubs outside of 1A. Still a lot of travel involved if Munster clubs went provincial so it is not as cheap an option as you might think. Leinster have had a provincial league for years so less excitement about that idea in these parts.

I'm hopeful we can return to some sort of normality and all going well can have a decent amount of AIL this side of Christmas.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/saveas-new-zealand-example-again-highlights-how-ail-is-a-brutally-underused-resource-39327033.html ;

not that many outside division 1 from my experience. Leinster provincial league is the league cup and is pre season. Not same as Ulster who have senior league with all sides playing 5/6 games thru season

Five Eighth wrote: »

There's an old saying 'Never waste a good crisis'. It isn't too long ago since the IRFU wanted to restructure the AIL. In 2018 the proposal was to have two Premiership divisions with eighth teams in each and two Championship divisions again with eighth teams in each. The Premiership and Championship, it was envisaged, would be played on a national basis. The restructuring also included two Conference divisions (also with eight teams in each) which would be regionally focused. The AIL clubs overwhelmingly rejected the restructuring plan. Is this the opportunity for the IRFU to revisit this plan?

We're now at the end of June, the AIL doesn't need to start until October, even later. If Ireland has maintained control of the virus and full-island travel is the norm, why not go for a 'normal' season fixture list?

I dont think clubs want that. A big push for many clubs being senior is that they're playing nationally and not clubs just in their province. There is plenty of games with sides relatively close to each other and crowds aren't so much better than those who travel from a distance

Five Eighth · 30-06-2020 9:00pm

Was recently speaking with a die-hard of a club that dropped from 2C to junior a few years ago. He told me that all of the members were devastated after the relegation and they are doing all they can to get the club back to senior. Even though the costs of playing in an All-Ireland league are high, he said they would give their back teeth to play in the AIL. The members and players all much preferred playing teams from different towns, cities and provinces and he felt that they had greater status as a club when they were playing AIL.

The Lost Sheep · 01-07-2020 5:32pm

Are many here members of the 'AIL rugby and club rugby' Facebook group?

luke9311 · 01-07-2020 5:55pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Are many here members of the 'AIL rugby and club rugby' Facebook group?

Never heard of it

The Lost Sheep · 01-07-2020 9:57pm

Bohs coaching team confirmed for season
Cathal Sheridan Director of Rugby
George Murray head coach
BJ Botha forwards coach.
Tommy O'Donnell contact skills coach
Ólan Daly, UL Rugby Development Officer - skills coach

Five Eighth · 01-07-2020 10:10pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Bohs coaching team confirmed for season
Cathal Sheridan Director of Rugby
George Murray head coach
BJ Botha forwards coach.
Tommy O'Donnell contact skills coach
Ólan Daly, UL Rugby Development Officer - skills coach

Looks impressive enough and am surprised that BJ Botha is still in Limerick. Thought he may have returned to his native South Africa. Assume the Tommy O Donnell mentioned is the former Bohs and now professional Munster and Ireland player. If so, how can he possibly be named as 'contact skills coach'? He will surely be fully committed to Munster. What happened Tom Hayes and what's he up to now rugby wise?

The Lost Sheep · 01-07-2020 10:22pm

Five Eighth wrote: »

Looks impressive enough and am surprised that BJ Botha is still in Limerick. Thought he may have returned to his native South Africa. Assume the Tommy O Donnell mentioned is the former Bohs and now professional Munster and Ireland player. If so, how can he possibly be named as 'contact skills coach'? He will surely be fully committed to Munster. What happened Tom Hayes and what's he up to now rugby wise?

George Murray their head coach is Munsters head performance analyst and was last season as well
Bj botha has been doing some coaching in limerick I think and yes it's the pro player Tommy o Donnell. He would be able to do occasional sessions with Bohs every few weeks or every week if needed. How would he not be committed to Munster by doing that in his spare time in the evenings?

Tom hayes. No idea. Nothing announced if hes coaching club wise next season. If coaching at all next season could only be at schools cup level as he was doing some of that on top of his other roles the past few years

Squidgy Black · 01-07-2020 10:23pm

Five Eighth wrote: »

Looks impressive enough and am surprised that BJ Botha is still in Limerick. Thought he may have returned to his native South Africa. Assume the Tommy O Donnell mentioned is the former Bohs and now professional Munster and Ireland player. If so, how can he possibly be named as 'contact skills coach'? He will surely be fully committed to Munster. What happened Tom Hayes and what's he up to now rugby wise?

Role like that would just be in for contact training sessions so likely twice a week in the evenings. Wouldn't be a massive commitment at all. It's more getting him involved in the setup for experience.

Five Eighth · 01-07-2020 10:38pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

George Murray their head coach is Munsters head performance analyst and was last season as well
Bj botha has been doing some coaching in limerick I think and yes it's the pro player Tommy o Donnell. He would be able to do occasional sessions with Bohs every few weeks or every week if needed. How would he not be committed to Munster by doing that in his spare time in the evenings?

Tom hayes. No idea. Nothing announced if hes coaching club wise next season. If coaching at all next season could only be at schools cup level as he was doing some of that on top of his other roles the past few years

Fair enough but, as far as I know, no other current Ireland international is listed on an AIL coaching ticket. I know that some internationals have given the occasional coaching session to clubs but those sessions would be few and far between during a season.

The Lost Sheep · 01-07-2020 11:12pm

Five Eighth wrote: »

Fair enough but, as far as I know, no other current Ireland international is listed on an AIL coaching ticket. I know that some internationals have given the occasional coaching session to clubs but those sessions would be few and far between during a season.

I dont see the problem.
Plenty of pros have helped out at schools sides and then ail sides over the years.
Would be great if there was more doing it in clubs. Sean O Brien did plenty of coaching while he was playing with leinster and Ireland. Coached tullows 1sts as well as helping other aides as well.

Five Eighth · 01-07-2020 11:40pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

I dont see the problem.
Plenty of pros have helped out at schools sides and then ail sides over the years.
Would be great if there was more doing it in clubs. Sean O Brien did plenty of coaching while he was playing with leinster and Ireland. Coached tullows 1sts as well as helping other aides as well.

There's no problem. Think there's a difference between 'helping out' and being listed on the coaching ticket. It's good to see professional players giving something back to the clubs. I just thought it might be a case of Bohs using a high profile current international to help attract players to the club. Good luck to them.

Lucas44 · 02-07-2020 1:38am

Five Eighth wrote: »

There's no problem. Think there's a difference between 'helping out' and being listed on the coaching ticket. It's good to see professional players giving something back to the clubs. I just thought it might be a case of Bohs using a high profile current international to help attract players to the club. Good luck to them.

Why can’t it be both? No need to have such a miserable outlook on it... pro players essentially finish work during the week the same time anyone working a 9-5 does, nothing to stop him going down to training to help out on a tuesday&thursday and helping out on match day when possible, not like he’s going to be doing 40+ hours of video analysis and the rest of the duties of a head coach.. not to mention both teams train in the same location so he can go directly from one to the other and obviously it will help bohs attract players coming out of school if they are offered the opportunity to pick the brain of an international

FellasFellas · 02-07-2020 10:29am

Lucas44 wrote: »

Why can’t it be both? No need to have such a miserable outlook on it... pro players essentially finish work during the week the same time anyone working a 9-5 does, nothing to stop him going down to training to help out on a tuesday&thursday and helping out on match day when possible, not like he’s going to be doing 40+ hours of video analysis and the rest of the duties of a head coach.. not to mention both teams train in the same location so he can go directly from one to the other and obviously it will help bohs attract players coming out of school if they are offered the opportunity to pick the brain of an international

Pro players are usually finished training by midday or 1 or 2pm. They always start early and finish early. There's a lot of downtime as a pro player for other ventures, coaching being one of them.

arsebiscuits1 · 02-07-2020 11:07am

There is also the pro players actively looking at life after rugby.

They can't just go from playing to coaching seamlessly. They'll need to do their various coaching qualifications. All of which would have a practical element to them.

Countless professionals in Ireland getting their mentored hours in with various clubs. TOD might well be doing the same thing

The Lost Sheep · 02-07-2020 11:26am

Five Eighth wrote: »

There's no problem. Think there's a difference between 'helping out' and being listed on the coaching ticket. It's good to see professional players giving something back to the clubs. I just thought it might be a case of Bohs using a high profile current international to help attract players to the club. Good luck to them.

does it matter. If hes listed as a coach then Bohs aren't doing it just to try attract players
Tommy's played with Bohs and been affiliated with them since he moved to limerick from clanwilliam.

Five Eighth · 02-07-2020 12:21pm

Lucas44 wrote: »

Why can’t it be both? No need to have such a miserable outlook on it... pro players essentially finish work during the week the same time anyone working a 9-5 does, nothing to stop him going down to training to help out on a tuesday&thursday and helping out on match day when possible, not like he’s going to be doing 40+ hours of video analysis and the rest of the duties of a head coach.. not to mention both teams train in the same location so he can go directly from one to the other and obviously it will help bohs attract players coming out of school if they are offered the opportunity to pick the brain of an international

Didn't mean to appear 'miserable'. Was just wondering aloud about the extent of involvement in coaching and training a professional player such as Tommy O D can give to a club when he's named as the 'contact skills coach'. As I noted, it's great to see him involved and good luck to Bohs.

The Lost Sheep · 04-07-2020 4:27pm

Kolo Kiripati is bee Head Coach to Buccaneers RFC for 2020/21 Season

Management team as follows:-
-Head Coach. Kolo Kiripati.
-Assistant Coach. Henry Bryce.
-Scrum Coach. Dave Henshaw.
-S&C. Cormac Ward.
-Senior Team Manager. Mickey Carroll.
-Squad Manager. John Doyle.
-Kit Manager. Martin Webster.
-Recruitment & Senior Player Welfare Officer. Adrian Hanley.
-Physio. Jack Manion, Ed Scully.

Chico Flores · 04-07-2020 5:41pm

Five Eighth wrote: »

Didn't mean to appear 'miserable'. Was just wondering aloud about the extent of involvement in coaching and training a professional player such as Tommy O D can give to a club when he's named as the 'contact skills coach'. As I noted, it's great to see him involved and good luck to Bohs.

But that he is a pro player has no real impact on the extent of involvement. Him being a pro player is just his job, no more than someone who works in the bank and has his/her coaching badges.

He has expertise in contact and can surely add value. Very often good player doesn’t make good coach, but this is a specific role that he has a lot of experience in and good for him. Would love to see more of it.

Chico Flores · 04-07-2020 5:41pm

Lot of changes with us in Terenure, our entire u20s coaching staff is now being changed.

luke9311 · 04-07-2020 11:28pm

Chico Flores wrote: »

Lot of changes with us in Terenure, our entire u20s coaching staff is now being changed.

Skehan still about I take it he is?

Five Eighth · 05-07-2020 3:44pm

Chico Flores wrote: »

Lot of changes with us in Terenure, our entire u20s coaching staff is now being changed.

The school and 20's are doing a great job in supplying the Terenure firsts with quality players. When Nure are on song, they play some free flowing rugby and are a joy to watch. Thought Jamie Glynn was a big loss to them last season but I think they will be a handful for any team in 1A this season particularly if Marsh, Thompson and Brewer resign.

FellasFellas · 05-07-2020 8:28pm

Stephen O'Neill is captain and Harrison Brewer is vice captain of Terenure.

Stainalert · 06-07-2020 8:54am

FellasFellas wrote: »

Stephen O'Neill is captain and Harrison Brewer is vice captain of Terenure.

Good appointments - Think Stephen O'Neill is a really good player - very underrated.

Chico Flores · 06-07-2020 8:55am

luke9311 wrote: »

Skehan still about I take it he is?

He is.

Chico Flores · 06-07-2020 1:13pm

Five Eighth wrote: »

The school and 20's are doing a great job in supplying the Terenure firsts with quality players. When Nure are on song, they play some free flowing rugby and are a joy to watch. Thought Jamie Glynn was a big loss to them last season but I think they will be a handful for any team in 1A this season particularly if Marsh, Thompson and Brewer resign.

I don’t know, we sort of think we arent getting enough regular talent from the school/20s than we used to when we played/went there.

Adam La Grue and Sam Dardis (who can be hot and cold) are really the only two in last few years. We brought in two centres last year.

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