Denis Villeneuve’s Dune

pixelburp · 16-09-2019 10:41pm

Bumping the thread as for anyone interested, the IFI are screening a 70mm print of David Lynch's Dune this coming Sat & the following Tues. Would love to go but neither date suits annoyingly!

https://ifi.ie/dune-70mm-2/

mikhail · 16-09-2019 11:37pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Bumping the thread as for anyone interested, the IFI are screening a 70mm print of David Lynch's Dune this coming Sat & the following Tues. Would love to go but neither date suits annoyingly!

https://ifi.ie/dune-70mm-2/

I heard the Saturday showing is sold out.

Slydice · 19-09-2019 10:57pm

Effects · 30-09-2019 10:45am

Did anyone else go to see Dune?

I thought the quality wasn’t great myself.
The print had a lot of damage and jumped around a bit.

weemcd · 30-09-2019 12:28pm

I had a dream last night I watched an original cut of Dune. I've never seen Dune....

It was decent, if a little indulgent.

peteeeed · 30-09-2019 12:46pm

weemcd wrote: »

I had a dream last night I watched an original cut of Dune. I've never seen Dune....

It was decent, if a little indulgent.

you've seen it

EltonJohn69 · 30-09-2019 2:16pm

Should we have a separate thread for Dune related dreams ?

Slydice · 24-10-2019 11:20pm

Looks like Timothée Chalamet has been getting some decent prep in for the role of Young Paul.

Slydice · 28-10-2019 6:00pm

Looks to be a photo of Rebecca Ferguson as Jessica in a stillsuit on this page:
http://www.premiere.fr/Cinema/News-Cinema/Dune-Rebecca-Ferguson-parle-de-son-personnage

Much of the content of Rebecca Fergusons interviews give me the impression that people think the Bene Gesserit are somehow subservient .. or maybe that they've only read like.. i dunno.. book one or two.. maybe they continued the delusion with Children of Dune too.. I dunno

I guess they gotta work their way up through the public from scratch again. It's been 35 years since the film and 19 / 16 years since the two mini-series.

Slydice · 28-10-2019 6:02pm

Ah phew! It's not a still suit, that's Rebecca Ferguson as Morgana in a film called: The Kid Who Would Be King
https://femalevillains.fandom.com/wiki/Morgana_(The_Kid_Who_Would_Be_King)

Dades · 29-10-2019 1:22pm

Was wondering - that thing looked a bit... organic or something.

pixelburp · 29-10-2019 1:24pm

Damnit, each time there's a new post on this thread lately, I get excited. Oooh! Is the trailer finally out?

No.

Posts reported :P

Skerries · 30-10-2019 6:14pm

Dune or Dune?

Dufflecoat Fanny · 30-10-2019 9:22pm

https://www.cbr.com/dune-empowers-its-female-characters-says-rebecca-ferguson/

https://www.cbr.com/dune-the-sisterhood-tv-series-announced-warnermedia/

Slydice · 30-10-2019 9:33pm

Yeah, welcome to my post two days ago.

Seems they're trying to dumb down The Bene Gesserit before the film or tv series comes out.

Like if this doesn't come off as a failed multi-thousand year experiment going out of control.. then.. pffft

pixelburp · 30-10-2019 9:48pm

It's been a while, but wasn't Jessica's story much to do with her attempting to break away, or at least deviate, from that scheming? If so, I could see how Ferguson might project her own modern perspectives on that arc, of a woman trying to live beyond society's demands.

ixoy · 30-10-2019 10:29pm

pixelburp wrote: »

It's been a while, but wasn't Jessica's story much to do with her attempting to break away, or at least deviate, from that scheming? If so, I could see how Ferguson might project her own modern perspectives on that arc, of a woman trying to live beyond society's demands.

I think so and maybe that's what Fergus is taking from it. There is certainly no need to "empower" the Bene Gesserit from the original series given their power and reach.

Tony EH · 31-10-2019 2:17pm

Just more simpering shite.

The Bene Gesserit operate behind the scenes at all levels of power in 'Dune' and have a great amount of influence. They're intelligent and calculating and use that to guide outcomes favourable to themselves and their order, but rely on their secrecy to achieve this.

They're already "empowered". :rolleyes:

As far as Jessica is concerned, she's in her position because her order want to have a say in the affairs of House Atreides and their Empire and also control Melange, which affects so much of what happens in the story. She also central to the Bene Gesserit's pursuit of the Kwisatz Haderach.

mikhail · 31-10-2019 3:38pm

Tony EH wrote: »

They're already "empowered". :rolleyes:

They have a staggering amount of soft social and political power as a group, but individually they seem subservient to their order and many are directed into roles as concubines, possibly after a youth spent on indoctrination (and other training). Individually, it's not clear how free they are. It's possibly a more nuanced discussion than we can expect from a press tour.

Tony EH · 31-10-2019 4:00pm

mikhail wrote: »

They have a staggering amount of soft social and political power as a group, but individually they seem subservient to their order and many are directed into roles as concubines, possibly after a youth spent on indoctrination (and other training). Individually, it's not clear how free they are. It's possibly a more nuanced discussion than we can expect from a press tour.

They're a religious order that one chooses to join, that has a hierarchy. This is like every other organisation and order that's probably ever existed in real life.

Their methods may seem odd to modern 21st Century eyes, they were odd to 20th Century eyes, without al this "empowerment" crap. But in the context of the story, they are perfectly normal.

It's a mistake to look at a story like 'Dune' through the prism of the real world.

Of course, this might just be some flippant yap at a press junket and hopefully, Villeneuve will stick to the book as closely as he can without feeling the need to inject nonsense into the screenplay.

pixelburp · 31-10-2019 4:20pm

Tony EH wrote: »

They're a religious order that one chooses to join, that has a hierarchy. This is like every other organisation and order that's probably ever existed in real life.

Their methods may seem odd to modern 21st Century eyes, they were odd to 20th Century eyes, without al this "empowerment" crap. But in the context of the story, they are perfectly normal.

It's a mistake to look at a story like 'Dune' through the prism of the real world.

Of course, this might just be some flippant yap at a press junket and hopefully, Villeneuve will stick to the book as closely as he can without feeling the need to inject nonsense into the screenplay.

Wait now, the Dune series is about a literal, actually named "jihad" by a race of desert-dwelling people over the control of an important resource found in said locale. I can't speak to Herbert's intentions, but the parallels with the middle east & modern geopolitics over oil is ... well, it ain't subtle. He may have written it in the 1960s, but its still contemporary enough.

That said, this is one throwaway comment by a single lead actor, so I think we should probably hold fire here; there hasn't even been a production still, let alone a trailer so if Ferguson wants to draw parallels between Jessica's restricted life & what's going on cultural in America, fair enough. Dune is hardly apolitical in the first instance.

Tony EH · 31-10-2019 4:27pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Wait now, the Dune series is about a literal, actually named "jihad" by a race of desert-dwelling people over the control of an important resource found in said locale. I can't speak to Herbert's intentions, but the parallels with the middle east & modern geopolitics over oil is ... well, it ain't subtle. He may have written it in the 1960s, but its still contemporary enough.

Sure, but I'm talking about mores and attitudes.

Obviously Herbert took real world political examples and used them for his story.

pixelburp wrote: »

That said, this is one throwaway comment by a single lead actor, so I think we should probably hold fire here

Perhaps. But I am so tired of this kind of shite being attached to everything these days. America's empty "culture war" is a scourge on everything.

pixelburp · 31-10-2019 4:36pm

Tony EH wrote: »

Sure, but I'm talking about mores and attitudes.

Obviously Herbert took real world political examples and used them for his story.

Yeah, but that's the point. It looked at the real world through the prism of this universe. As does much SciFi. Maybe Herbert took his inspiration directly from events & it's there on the page, but who dictates how some other person chooses to interpret the arcs, stories or struggles of some other character? Death of the Author n' all that.

I may not agree with Ferguson's outlook about Jessica TBH, but it's her interpretation to draw from a source material already allegorical. Even divorced of the Middle Eastern influence, it's a proto Game of Thrones, all about dynastic families and the pressure of lineage. Emphasising feministic struggles is a stretch, but it's not totally whacky either IMO.

Tony EH wrote: »

Perhaps. But I am so tired of this kind of shite being attached to everything these days. America's empty "culture war" is a scourge on everything.

So ignore it, if it bothers you but as I said this is one case where drawing parallels is valid. Though given the user who shared the URL just dumped the link and ran, feels more like drive-by trolling TBH.

Tony EH · 31-10-2019 4:50pm

pixelburp wrote: »

So ignore it, if it bothers you but as I said this is one case where drawing parallels is valid. Though given the user who shared the URL just dumped the link and ran, feels more like drive-by trolling TBH.

It becomes difficult to ignore when these empty statements are lashed about and tacked onto everything in some form or another.

keane2097 · 31-10-2019 5:29pm

Yawn. It is not controversial for people to look at parallels, counterpoints, commentaries etc between art and life.

If you want art to be escapism maybe avoid reading commentary from the real life actors playing the characters.

If you insist on reading the commentary you will have to put up with how they interpret the art and how it relates to or is informed by their lives and opinions.

Varik · 31-10-2019 5:52pm

Could just be a load of nonsense, you see it all the time. People talking up their roles or the project and then the time comes and you realise they've got **** all lines. Trying to either grab a few free brownie points or point to a project's cultural importance when it can't stand on it's own merit.

Would be interested to see more of jessicas story before the move to arrakis, the bene gesserit don't seem the most forgiving or the most likely to live and let live after their plan was thwarted.

EltonJohn69 · 31-10-2019 8:40pm

The fact that there is yet to be a trailer at such a late stage... does suggests that filming and production had been abandoned ?

pixelburp · 31-10-2019 9:17pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

The fact that there is yet to be a trailer at such a late stage... does suggests that filming and production had been abandoned ?

Nope, filming finished 3 months ago, Brian Herbert announcing such on Twitter. So presumably it's in post production, with a trailer our once the FX are up to a good enough standard to cut a trailer.

Slydice · 06-11-2019 12:14am

SEQUEL!!!! (maybe)

In an article about the TV spin-off losing it's showrunner..

https://io9.gizmodo.com/hbo-maxs-dune-the-sisterhood-series-has-lost-its-showr-1839643455

Legendary TV was not happy with the early work Spaihts turned in and opted to remove him as showrunner on the production so he can instead focus on the yet-to-be formally announced film sequel to the forthcoming Dune feature.

Kidchameleon · 07-11-2019 10:06pm

AFAIK the film in 2020 covers half of the first book. I wouldn't be surprised if some scenes for the sequel have already been shot.

I hope they don't "straight white male-ify" Baron Harkonin. He is an evil despicable man who happens to be homosexual but in the current political zeitgeist, that may not go down too well. Stay true to the source material please filmmakers.

Brief_Lives · 07-11-2019 11:26pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

AFAIK the film in 2020 covers half of the first book. I wouldn't be surprised if some scenes for the sequel have already been shot.

I hope they don't "straight white male-ify" Baron Harkonin. He is an evil despicable man who happens to be homosexual but in the current political zeitgeist, that may not go down too well. Stay true to the source material please filmmakers.

Oh really, anything else in the book that might not go down well in the current climate?

Not sure how well sarcasm is transferred here.
I think Sicario is an incredible movie, I trust him with this.

Kidchameleon · 08-11-2019 7:50am

Brief_Lives wrote: »

Oh really, anything else in the book that might not go down well in the current climate?

Not sure how well sarcasm is transferred here.
I think Sicario is an incredible movie, I trust him with this.

I dont know I havnt read the book... Harkonin is my favourite character in Lynches movie so I'd hate for him to be airbrushed with social justice. I think thats a fair concern.

Dades · 08-11-2019 1:09pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Stay true to the source material please filmmakers.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I dont know I havnt read the book...

You haven't much skin in the game to be fair!

EltonJohn69 · 08-11-2019 1:13pm

To watch David Lynch’s Dune, having read the book is essesntial to understand the what’s going on, great movie though...

Kidchameleon · 08-11-2019 2:56pm

Dades wrote: »

You haven't much skin in the game to be fair!

I know enough to fear that they may mess with the Harkonen character

Sad Professor · 08-11-2019 3:06pm

Villeneuve has been criticised quite a bit for not being woke enough, so I think it will be okay. I wouldn’t mind what the actors are saying too much. They are trying to sell the movie.

EltonJohn69 · 08-11-2019 3:51pm

Will the harkonens have red have red hair ?

Skerries · 14-11-2019 9:05pm

Slydice · 14-11-2019 9:09pm

Solid!

I remember looking to find out who'd be Feyd but couldn't find anything.

Might still be auditioning .. or holding back a big announcement.

pixelburp · 14-11-2019 9:11pm

Wait are those random headshots or are those stills from the movie?

Slydice · 14-11-2019 10:49pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Wait are those random headshots or are those stills from the movie?

Headshots. That's Timothée Chalamet in the film The King .. which I've been meaning to watch.. but kinda put on the long finger after a not-so-great review on it's thread

lawred2 · 14-11-2019 10:50pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I know enough to fear that they may mess with the Harkonen character

That you know nothing about

Well except for his sexuality of course

Dufflecoat Fanny · 14-11-2019 11:46pm

Happy with the casting except for Jason Momoa

Slydice · 15-11-2019 12:03am

Dufflecoat Fanny wrote: »

Happy with the casting except for Jason Momoa

I'm wondering how could he possibly

last for seven or eight films or more.. although.. as the years go by I assume de-aging tech will have progressed further than where it is now.

Thargor · 15-11-2019 12:23am

Dufflecoat Fanny wrote: »

Happy with the casting except for Jason Momoa

Was just going to say that, that is a crazy bit of casting. How is he going to pull off everything that happens to Idaho? You could literally pick any other male in that pic and they'd be a better fit, including Skarsgard.

Slydice · 15-11-2019 1:03am

Thargor wrote: »

Was just going to say that, that is a crazy bit of casting. How is he going to pull off everything that happens to Idaho? You could literally pick any other male in that pic and they'd be a better fit, including Skarsgard.

I can only guess they are banking on de-aging tech

Kidchameleon · 15-11-2019 6:09am

lawred2 wrote: »

That you know nothing about

Well except for his sexuality of course

I have heard some of the characters are being gender swapped and we can see Pauls love interest is black. Its starting to look like they will not have an evil gay man in it now. And also, none of of us know for sure we will all have to wait and see

Dufflecoat Fanny · 15-11-2019 8:21am

Has Bijaz been cast yet? I'd imagine Peter Dinkledge would be a shoe in for that character.

pixelburp · 15-11-2019 10:10am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I have heard some of the characters are being gender swapped and we can see Pauls love interest is black. Its starting to look like they will not have an evil gay man in it now. And also, none of of us know for sure we will all have to wait and see

Who has been gender swapped? Everyone in that castlist photo is the gender they were written as. Don't see any major omissions either of the principal cast - especially as the film will go up to the midway point of the first book.

And of course Chani isn't white, she's a member of a desert race that live on Arakis/Dune; it'd be stupider & weirder if she was played by some pasty white person.

I mean if you want to be pedantic, they've got the ethnicity wrong for the Fremen, as Chani and Stilgar should be played by middle-eastern actors, but in Hollywood anyone vaguely tanned can pass. It's better than Chani being played by Daisy Ridley :rolleyes:

Stop trying to find something to get all "Grr, SJW", it's pretty transparent and the thread was doing perfectly fine until you started trying to curry some outrage

Brief_Lives · 15-11-2019 10:12am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I have heard some of the characters are being gender swapped and we can see Pauls love interest is black. Its starting to look like they will not have an evil gay man in it now. And also, none of of us know for sure we will all have to wait and see

This has to be a pi$$ take. it's too funny not to be.
Keep it coming kidchameleon, love your work...

Denis Villeneuve’s Dune

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