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Coronavirus Part II - Its arrived - We're Doomed!!! See OP for Mod warnings

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  • #1402
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,435 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    https://twitter.com/boucherhayes/status/1232374439716827136

    ''and they were not aware that Lombardy was affected.''

    WTF

    Are they living under a rock, or pissed out of their heads.


  • #1403
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    I'm a caretaker in the Mater hospital working for the HSE, and I'm very worried


  • #1404
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    What department does she work in?

    I've looked online and i can't see what your talking about. You made the claim, do you have a source?

    There was stories of chinese universities developing a rapid test, but those preliminary studies are way off being available for commercial use worldwide.

    That's none of your business

    You need to look harder


  • #1405
    Soulsun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Soulsun


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    I'm a caretaker in the Mater hospital working for the HSE, and I'm very worried

    What exactly are you worried about?


  • #1406
    Ironicname
    Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Ironicname


    Wombatman wrote:
    Would a clear out of coffin dodgers be such a bad thing? Could work wonders for the health and housing crisis stats.

    What kind of arsehole would make such a tasteless comment on a thread like this where a lot of older people are genuinely worried?


  • #1407
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    Soulsun wrote: »
    What exactly are you worried about?

    I'm worried about picking something up


  • #1408
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,222 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    froog wrote: »
    point is, it's the correct call to only test people if they have symptoms. no country in the world would do otherwise.

    Eh what do you think Italy are doing? They're testing people without symptoms who had close contact. Ditto for the cruise ships. People were tested without symptoms.
    Of course you don't test everyone, but it's not a safe assumption to mean that no symptoms mean not infectious.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #1409
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    We can't test everybody. The health budget is limited. We need to have cost effective use of that money. Testing everybody is not cost effective.

    Surely you can request/recieve more money for emergencies such as this?! I mean, we've literally just donated money to the W.H.O! Testing everyone obviously isn't practical, but testing any new case with flu like symptoms (in hospitals) as Spain are about to do is prudent. Spend more now to save later.


  • #1410
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    I'm worried about picking something up

    Do the manual handling course, that way youll know the correct way to pick things up.

    No more worries then


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  • #1411
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    We can't test everybody. The health budget is limited. We need to have cost effective use of that money. Testing everybody is not cost effective.

    Is it true HSE we're unaware of the ongoing epidemic in Northern Italy ?


  • #1412
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    twirlagig wrote: »
    Not being smart at all... but why not?

    Main reason is that I believe that mortality of the virus is overstated at the moment. Containment strategies like cancelling the Italy game will reduce the spread of the virus which will reduce acute overwhelming of the HSE.

    Secondly. We actually do have a great health service. The fact that we should have an even better health service for the money is a discussion for another day.

    We have one the highest health care professional/ capita ratios in the world.

    There are plans in place in hospitals (all around the country) to deal with virus if/when it arrives. Just because the general public doesn't hear about it doesn't mean it's not happening.

    The fact that we are coming into summer is also a bonus as viral illnesses decrease during the summer months as we are not so closely packed together.


  • #1413
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,435 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    https://twitter.com/Playtheangel1/status/1232417246854733825


  • #1414
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Western populations have a very old average age, Ireland would be similar to the cruise ship. Average Irish person is 37 years old,over 40 in the UK, in much of Eastern and Sourhern Europe and Germany and Japan and Korea the average person is almost 50 years old

    How many children were on the cruise? A quarter of the Irish population is under 18. A quarter of the ship were not children. Hence older demographic on cruise ship. 0.5% death rate needs to be factored down as a result.


  • #1415
    Elessar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,261 ✭✭✭Elessar


    From the Guardian:
    Only 3% of Italian coronavirus patients have died, and all of them had pre-existing conditions, Walter Ricciardi of the World Health Organisation told a Rome press conference Tuesday. “We must scale back this great alarm,” said Ricciardi, a former director at Italy’s Higher Health Institute (ISS).

    Of 100 sick people, 80 get well of their own accord, 15 have serious but manageable problems, 5% are extremely serious, of which 3% die. Furthermore, as you know, all the people who died already had serious health conditions.

    He said the alarm “is right, is not to be underestimated, but the disease must be placed within the correct terms”.

    People need to take a chill pill


  • #1416
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    Do the manual handling course, that way youll know the correct way to pick things up.

    No more worries then

    i mean something invisible


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  • #1417
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,034 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    I'm glad Harris and the IRFU are going to argue about this, so that the virus will finally get the media attention it warrants.


  • #1418
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    givyjoe wrote: »
    You are an administrator not a medical professional though, correct?

    No. I'm frontline staff. I do have directorate responsibilities though. Hence why I'm aware of HSE containment plans.


  • #1419
    all about the mane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Elessar wrote: »
    From the Guardian:


    People need to take a chill pill

    Big time


  • #1420
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Elessar wrote: »
    From the Guardian:


    People need to take a chill pill

    But someone will say this is fake news and wrong and we’re all in severe danger.


  • #1421
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Without giving away my exact job. I'm involved in a senior capacity in the HSE and whilst I am cautious about this potential virus in Ireland. I'm not particularly worried.

    interesting. i spoke with a nurse the other day and she had the same attitude as you. when i probed her, she seemed to think this was basically the same as the 2009 swine flu and we had nothing to worry about, just let it run its course. which it most certainly is not. 0.03% case fatality rate of swine flu versus possibly 3% of this current one. literally a hundred times more deadly.

    i'm getting worried if this is the prevalent attitude in the HSE.


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  • #1422
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,222 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We actually do have a great health service. The fact that we should have an even better health service for the money is a discussion for another day.

    Have you seen the waiting lists?
    You'll have to come up with more believable guff to be taken seriously.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #1423
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    joe_99 wrote: »
    How many children were on the cruise? A quarter of the Irish population is under 18. A quarter of the ship were not children. Hence older demographic on cruise ship. 0.5% death rate needs to be factored down as a result.

    Lads, if the mods start seeing percentages here the ban hammer is coming out.


  • #1424
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Elessar wrote: »
    From the Guardian:


    People need to take a chill pill

    Apart from people with pre-existing conditions, which could mean anything


  • #1425
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    i mean something invisible

    I know....i was just trying to lighten the mood with a poor joke


  • #1426
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    BanditLuke wrote:
    That's none of your business
    There are tens of thousands of people who work in the HSE. If your relative doesnt work in a department that is knowledgeable about the testing process then their opinion isn't valid.
    BanditLuke wrote:
    You need to look harder
    The person who makes the claim should back it up. That's how boards works.


  • #1427
    Soulsun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Soulsun


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    i mean something invisible

    Just take the suggested precautions and you should be okay. The next 7-8 weeks will be interesting.
    Do you have faith in the hse?


  • #1428
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Surely you can request/recieve more money for emergencies such as this?! I mean, we've literally just donated money to the W.H.O! Testing everyone obviously isn't practical, but testing any new case with flu like symptoms (in hospitals) as Spain are about to do is prudent. Spend more now to save later.

    It's all tied up in the children's hospital ;)


  • #1429
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    I know....i was just trying to lighten the mood with a poor joke

    Christmas cracker time


  • #1430
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    I'm worried about picking something up

    In fairness, a hospital isn't the best place to work if you're that worried about picking up illnesses...


  • #1431
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Wow now you're not required if you're over 50. When will we be down to 40 and 30? I say this as a 31 year old btw, so not too high risk myself.


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  • #1432
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    Soulsun wrote: »
    Just take the suggested precautions and you should be okay. The next 7-8 weeks will be interesting.
    Do you have faith in the hse?

    it will be the last job to let people go if the pandemic kills everybody safe bet for work in these times :-)


  • #1433
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    dark crystal wrote: »
    In fairness, a hospital isn't the best place to work if you're that worried about picking up illnesses...

    :rolleyes: Helpful


  • #1434
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Are the Iranian leadership born stupid through inbreeding or does their religion demand that they make stupid decisions? ......

    Clerics in the city (Masumeh shrine in Qom) had reportedly opposed closing the shrine, with Hojatoleslam Mohammad Saeedi, the Qom representative of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, saying that linking the shrine to the deadly virus is part of a U.S. plot to make the holy city appear unsafe.

    FFS are these people for real?

    https://www.rferl.org/a/coronavirus-coverup-iranian-officials-deny-that-qom-death-toll-at-50/30451933.html

    Another cleric, Hojatoleslam Ali Akbar Hosseininejad, was quoted by IRNA as saying that closing the shrine would send the wrong message.

    "Why is there a need to close the shrine? People should take precautions," said Hosseininejad, who is among the officials in charge of the shrine, as quoted by official government news agency IRNA. He said that mostly foreign pilgrims, including many from Pakistan and India, were visiting the shrine".


  • #1435
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's all tied up in the children's hospital ;)

    Lightbulb.. Quarantine everyone there!


  • #1436
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    I don’t know weather to panic or not as I’m not sure if countries like Spain, France, Germany, UK, Austria or even Italy are panicking.

    Currently I’m in the No Panic side of the Fence. Just concerned the our Government project this deafening silence.


  • #1437
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    There are tens of thousands of people who work in the HSE. If your relative doesnt work in a department that is knowledgeable about the testing process then their opinion isn't valid.

    The person who makes the claim should back it up. That's how boards works.

    They are knowledgeable

    Apparently not


  • #1438
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    Apart from people with pre-existing conditions, which could mean anything

    People with preexisting conditions could have serious health problems from the normal flu as well.


  • #1439
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,222 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Elessar wrote: »
    People need to take a chill pill

    Does that include people with a pre-existing condition, older people, smokers... or anyone with a loved one in that category?
    WTF.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #1440
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Lightbulb.. Quarantine everyone there!

    BAM the contractors would probably add a couple of hundred million quarantine fee.


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  • #1441
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Have you seen the waiting lists?
    You'll have to come up with more believable guff to be taken seriously.

    What has that to do with the coronavirus? I work in an acute aspect. I never said that the HSE was perfect but if somebody comes into hospital acutely unwell. The service is good. The waiting lists are elective procedures so that's a different aspect. I'd be in favour of a NHS type service but I think the majority of people would object as it would probably require an increase in income tax.


  • #1442
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    dark crystal wrote: »
    In fairness, a hospital isn't the best place to work if you're that worried about picking up illnesses...

    I wasn't expecting a pandemic when I applied


  • #1443
    Indestructable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    But someone will say this is fake news and wrong and we’re all in severe danger.

    But it's utter bollocks to dismiss the elderly and those with underlying illness. Ah shur they might be fuxked, no matter!

    What if it's your parent, sibling or child in getting their last chemo, kicking cancer and on the road to recovery and all of a sudden this bitch of a virus takes hold. That's a real threat.


  • #1444
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Lightbulb.. Quarantine everyone there!

    :pac: Problem solved


  • #1445
    Steer55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭Steer55


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Have you seen the waiting lists?
    You'll have to come up with more believable guff to be taken seriously.


    Have you seen the trollies more like :-(


  • #1446
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Imagine this. You're a relatively young person, say in your 30s or even 20s. You get coronavirus and get into a moderately severe condition. You pull through grand though as you're a young person. You wake up and your parents are both gone. How do you feel?


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  • #1447
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    amadangomor wrote: »
    BAM the contractors would probably add a couple of hundred million quarantine fee.

    Lock them up also.


  • #1448
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    tillyfilly wrote: »
    I wasn't expecting a pandemic when I applied

    Is there signs of a pandemic in your hospital?


  • #1449
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Indestructable wrote: »
    But it's utter bollocks to dismiss the elderly and those with underlying illness. Ah shur they might be fuxked, no matter!

    What if it's your parent, sibling or child in getting their last chemo, kicking cancer and on the road to recovery and all of a sudden this bitch of a virus takes hold. That's a real threat.

    Seen a fair bit of that on here unfortunately.


  • #1450
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Indestructable wrote: »
    But it's utter bollocks to dismiss the elderly and those with underlying illness. Ah shur they might be fuxked, no matter!

    What if it's your parent, sibling or child in getting their last chemo, kicking cancer and on the road to recovery and all of a sudden this bitch of a virus takes hold. That's a real threat.

    Which is the exact same with any illness.
    Any you can think of and those same people are at risk!


  • #1451
    tillyfilly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 567 ✭✭✭tillyfilly


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Is there signs of a pandemic in your hospital?

    a dustpandemic at the moment but I mean going forward


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