Peter McVerry Trust staff and wages

LirW · 04-12-2019 11:03pm

The Regime wrote: »

Maybe you should look for a better job?

Who exactly should work with vulnerable people with a myriad of issues if not people trained for it?
Social work isn't something that'll make you wealthy, it's demanding work, requires long training and the right demeanor to begin with.

downtheroad · 04-12-2019 11:11pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is an extract from Citizens’ Information listing the main Homeless charities:

Several voluntary organisations get government funding to provide temporary and permanent accommodation for homeless people and to provide advice and assistance to them. Of these, the main ones are:

Simon Communities in Ireland: simon.ie

Focus Ireland: focusireland.ie

Crosscare: crosscare.ie

St Vincent de Paul: svp.ie

De Paul Trust: depaulireland.org

Salvation Army: salvationarmy.ie

Peter McVerry Trust: pmvtrust.ie

Novas: novas.ie

Sophia: sophia.ie

Cope: copegalway.ie

Sonas: sonashousing.ie

Cuan-Teach Mhuire: cuanmhuire.ie

Merchants Quay Ireland provides a range of services to drug users and homeless people, including the Night Café in Dublin.

Threshold and Trust also provide advice and assistance to homeless people.

Some members of the Irish Council for Social Housing (voluntary housing organisations) offer services and

Amalgamate the lot of them and cut down the administration costs, remove several CEO salaries and spend the money on providing shelter and accommodation rather than on payroll.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 04-12-2019 11:17pm

I'm shocked at the nastiness of some of the responses on here. That the job is simple, that it shouldn't be paid, or paid as much as it is, (and salaries for this position are actually closer to €26k starting on average, not 37k).

Similar to eviltwin, I work for a homeless charity and we are underpaid for what the job entails. Those who work in hostels or on the street have a tough, tough job. It is not handing out soup or washing bowls, as someone ignorantly claimed.

We have to adapt to any situation that presents itself; violence towards us or other service users, serious mental health issues and emergencies, suicide interventions, live drug use, cleaning up drug paraphernalia and body fluids (all of them), drug overdoses, medical emergencies, room checks where you could find anything including dead bodies.

Someone mentioned chucking out homeless people who are violent or abuse staff... In extreme cases, this happens but our role is to help the clients to remain where they are so most of the time, anything less than serious physical assault is written off and they're given a warning. Verbal abuse, intimidation, threats are all such a commonplace happening that we learn not to blink an eye in situations that normal people would find traumatising. This population is so vulnerable that if we threw out everyone who did wrong, our hostels would be empty.

Staff hired in recent times are generally equipped with AT LEAST a degree, masters graduates are common and there are a few that have gone even further in their studies. We are educated, generally experienced and very capable professionals.

We work in shelters, services and hostels that never close, so this Xmas day or new year's eve, remember that there are workers who give up that time with family and friends at home to support homeless people through those times.

Yes, we do it for money and to pay the bills, but as someone else said, there are easier ways to earn a crust. We do it because we want to help and to support those who cannot do it for themselves.

limnam · 04-12-2019 11:17pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I think what OP is getting at is that it's become an industry which means it's never in their interests to actually solve the problem because then they would be put out of business.

I don't think Peter ever has to worry about the problem been solved.

Mrs OBumble · 04-12-2019 11:21pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I have a LOT of time for Father McVerry but those wages are unreal

Are they genuinely that high ?

What's unreal about them? 37k is pretty low for a skilled worker.

end of the road · 04-12-2019 11:22pm

anewme wrote: »

Nasty post in the first instance.

agreed, it was also unrealistic.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

No.

I’d like to see a better return for 120,000 of taxpayers money to a CEO.

Like any company would.

what better return would you like to see now that you know the actual remit of the organisation?
solving the problem won't and can't be a return just to be clear.

Deleted User wrote: »

Or, this is just a radical thought, people actually take responsibility for their own lives and house themselves?!

No need for the multiple “Charities” duplicating services.

if they were able to do exactly that then that is what they would be doing, or would already have done.

jimmycrackcorm · 04-12-2019 11:27pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Pay the CEO €40k a year and watch the charity fold within a year or two.

By that measure then pay the CEO a million a year and the homeless crisis will be solved

Logo · 04-12-2019 11:27pm

Anyone know of the outcome of the suicide bereavement charity Console, which had an income of €5m (2012-2014) generated by public donations and State funding?

HappyAsLarE · 04-12-2019 11:29pm

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

I'm shocked at the nastiness of some of the responses on here. That the job is simple, that it shouldn't be paid, or paid as much as it is, (and salaries for this position are actually closer to €26k starting on average, not 37k).

Similar to eviltwin, I work for a homeless charity and we are underpaid for what the job entails. Those who work in hostels or on the street have a tough, tough job. It is not handing out soup or washing bowls, as someone ignorantly claimed.

We have to adapt to any situation that presents itself; violence towards us or other service users, serious mental health issues and emergencies, suicide interventions, live drug use, cleaning up drug paraphernalia and body fluids (all of them), drug overdoses, medical emergencies, room checks where you could find anything including dead bodies.

Someone mentioned chucking out homeless people who are violent or abuse staff... In extreme cases, this happens but our role is to help the clients to remain where they are so most of the time, anything less than serious physical assault is written off and they're given a warning. Verbal abuse, intimidation, threats are all such a commonplace happening that we learn not to blink an eye in situations that normal people would find traumatising. This population is so vulnerable that if we threw out everyone who did wrong, our hostels would be empty.

Staff hired in recent times are generally equipped with AT LEAST a degree, masters graduates are common and there are a few that have gone even further in their studies. We are educated, generally experienced and very capable professionals.

We work in shelters, services and hostels that never close, so this Xmas day or new year's eve, remember that there are workers who give up that time with family and friends at home to support homeless people through those times.

Yes, we do it for money and to pay the bills, but as someone else said, there are easier ways to earn a crust. We do it because we want to help and to support those who cannot do it for themselves.

I’m so surprised you have to deal with all of that. The way people go on that all the homeless folk are salt of de earth fallin on hard times types.

Mad_maxx · 04-12-2019 11:33pm

mariaalice wrote: »

They are a victim of there own marketing and yes its an industry the charity NGO industry, then you have all the competing narratives around homelessness, but its not as simple as that and I suspect most know that a lot of the homeless are very vulnerable and would never maintain a tenancy without support and may need support all their lives.

St Brendan’s psychiatric hospital at Grangegorman, off the North Circular Road in Dublin. Most date from the 1950s and 1960s, when more than 20,000 people were living behind the high walls of mental hospitals.

Often there is nowhere long term for people who could need life long support to go all the long term mental hospitals have closed however the problem of individuals needing long term support has not.

closing down the old style mental institutions was a horrible act , the much lauded late Mary Raftery was allowed present a horribly biased representation of those institutions , as such the perception is that mental institutions were an evil akin to magdalene laundries , they were not , closing down those places ( at the behest of liberals ) resulted in vulnerable people ending up homeless

Geuze · 04-12-2019 11:33pm

noodler wrote: »

It really isn't.

Average industrial wage is about 35/36.

It's not terrible or anything of course.

Yes, average earnings are around 36-37k, but if you look at just full time workers, average is 46k.

That includes overtime, bonuses.

Mad_maxx · 04-12-2019 11:35pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

VcVerry seemed to be on every news and current affairs programme I turned on this week bitching and moaning but offering no solutions as usual, he gets a serious amount of money to fund his work so it's on him to make the best use of it.

Meanwhile Brother Kevin and the Capuchin Friars work quietly behind the scenes and have been doing so for the last 40 years with a lot less money coming their way than McVerry has and they don't need to be on the tele every other day either.

the capuchin centre is the only charity i donate to , the likes of simon and the mc verry gang are left wing activist groups

Mad_maxx · 04-12-2019 11:37pm

anewme wrote: »

I've renovated my home recently and none of the fees I've paid equate to the person being on 37000 pa. Nor should it in my mind.

i regularly employ tradesmen as i own several properties , anyone who can walk and chew gum at the same time in 2019 in the construction sector is on two hundred quid per day , electricians ( reci registered ) are 400 euro per day at the moment , carpenters circa 300

such is the famine of labour out there , wages are every bit as high as during the bubble years

anewme · 04-12-2019 11:42pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

i regularly employ tradesmen as i own several properties , anyone who can walk and chew gum at the same time in 2019 in the construction sector is on two hundred quid per day , electricians ( reci registered ) are 400 euro per day at the moment , carpenters circa 300

such is the famine of labour out there , wages are every bit as high as during the bubble years

Self employed Carpenter made me a unit. 1250, fitted in a half day. Reckon materials max 400.

Have no reservations recommending, the work was great.

end of the road · 04-12-2019 11:44pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

By that measure then pay the CEO a million a year and the homeless crisis will be solved

actually no as the remit of the charity isn't to actually solve the issue but to provide services to help people effected by the issue, which is what they do.
a CEO will generally have some experience of running an organisation, someone on 40k generally won't have the experience of running an organisation of a similar size to pmvt, so you aren't going to get someone of that experience level to work for 40 k to run the organisation.
so the logic does not work on your part but does on the other poster's.

SEPT 23 1989 · 04-12-2019 11:47pm

Charity is just another industry

Every street sleeper could live like kings for the rest of their lives if all money donated went directly to source

04-12-2019 11:50pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Some people can't for many reasons and it's naive to suggest otherwise.

But the question must’ve asked... with all the resources...the generally increased standard of living... the valuable time of highly qualified experts...why is the problem getting worse?

I had this answered on a visit to Vancouver, where tremendous resources have been put into trying to iron out people’s problems regarding housing and social issues. Both government employees and volunteers work very hard on the issue. Yet there too the problems get worse and worse. The answer, I’m told, is because of relentlessly increasing addiction which is making people’s lives more chaotic. Severe addicts do not want to be away from the street where they can get easier access to drugs. Drugs are being imported/manufactured/developed by a very corrupt sector of the world, indeed a growing segment of criminal bosses and network.

On the days of old, more vulnerable people, those more likely to succumb to severe addiction due to underlying mental illness, were housed in asylums and mental hospitals. Since thrown to living out in the community the criminal bosses have found an increased market for selling self-medication.

Solutions? I dunno.

end of the road · 04-12-2019 11:55pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

closing down the old style mental institutions was a horrible act , the much lauded late Mary Raftery was allowed present a horribly biased representation of those institutions , as such the perception is that mental institutions were an evil akin to magdalene laundries , they were not , closing down those places ( at the behest of liberals ) resulted in vulnerable people ending up homeless

the closure of the mental institutions had nothing to do with liberals, in fact, one of the most conservative governments in modern history, the government under maggie thatcher, absolutely supported the closure of such institutions to be replaced with care in the community.
what exactly was biassed about the representation made in relation to the institutions? either what was said was factual or it wasn't. if it wasn't factual, then that would have been found out.

end of the road · 04-12-2019 11:57pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Charity is just another industry

Every street sleeper could live like kings for the rest of their lives if all money donated went directly to source

it won't get to source without staff, who will need to be paid.

04-12-2019 11:58pm

end of the road wrote: »

the closure of the mental institutions had nothing to do with liberals, in fact, one of the most conservative governments in modern history, the government under maggie thatcher, absolutely supported the closure of such institutions to be replaced with care in the community.
what exactly was biassed about the representation made in relation to the institutions? either what was said was factual or it wasn't. if it wasn't factual, then that would have been found out.

Factual is that a lot of the same vulnerable individuals are not exactly better off now. Sadly.

Raconteuse · 05-12-2019 12:07am

BDI wrote: »

37 k is skilled tradesman/skilled office type money not unskilled work. The average wage is 37k how many are on little and how many are on crazy money. Handy out chickens or cleaning bowls in a soup kitchen is hardly worth 37k a week.

How many of these people on big money are religious/church people or part time people on another full wage sticking in an hour or two a week and heading home with the leftover(preselected) bread rolls and chickens?

It’s soup kitchens they arnt building the houses or teaching the homeless how to build the houses. A vast majority of them staff seem like they wouldn’t be earning 37 and a half grand anywhere else with a pension.

Do you get 37 and a half grand for standing at one of them little tables in the supermarket shaking a bucket?

Obviously you don't. Nor do people who hand out soup and chicken dinners. In fact much of said work is done by volunteers.

But you knew that.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 05-12-2019 12:08am

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

I’m so surprised you have to deal with all of that. The way people go on that all the homeless folk are salt of de earth fallin on hard times types.

The Regime wrote: »

If the homeless can't even be bothered to treat the people who are trying to help them with a bit of respect, then they should be fcuked back out onto the streets.

The hostels will be much more pleasant and safe for the decent ones then.

As someone who's been spit on, hit, threatened, verbally abused countless times... I'd love to say "yep, out they go, tough luck", but when I take my ego out of the equation, the fact of the matter is: homeless clients are generally deeply, deeply traumatised from early life experiences. Huge rates of mental illness, and exposure to drink and drugs as a child or teenager.
So while they can be a pain in the ass today, they're trying to deal with the awful stuff they've gone through early in life. If I'd been sexually abused, or seen someone batter my mother, I might want to blot out that pain too, and maybe drug use or alcohol is the only answer. Maybe it caused me to spiral in terms of mental health, and I had to leave my home and sleep on the streets. Homeless, mental health issues... Who's gonna hire me?

It's a real eye opener working in the job, in so many ways.

Raconteuse · 05-12-2019 12:09am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Charity is just another industry

Every street sleeper could live like kings for the rest of their lives if all money donated went directly to source

And who'd be able to do all that work for free? You?

Jimmy Bottlehead · 05-12-2019 12:11am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Charity is just another industry

Every street sleeper could live like kings for the rest of their lives if all money donated went directly to source

Cool. Give a homeless client €10,000 and see what happens to it and them.

easypazz · 05-12-2019 12:12am

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

We have less than 11,000 homeless people and 500 employees in PMV, how many do the other vested interest charities employ?

Seems to me that there are a lot of people whose job is dependent on the homeless.

I wonder if these organisations are actually helping the issue.

It would be in their interest to paint as grim a picture as possible.

05-12-2019 12:14am

The Regime wrote: »

If the homeless can't even be bothered to treat the people who are trying to help them with a bit of respect, then they should be fcuked back out onto the streets.

The hostels will be much more pleasant and safe for the decent ones then.

I think that’s why the gentle street people actually prefer to be on the street, they feel safer in a way, away from some violent types.

SEPT 23 1989 · 05-12-2019 12:19am

end of the road wrote: »

it won't get to source without staff, who will need to be paid.

Retired people who want to give something back or monied people who don’t need a wage

10k homeless 120 million a year donated to charity’s

Something is not adding up

anewme · 05-12-2019 12:20am

Raconteuse wrote: »

Obviously you don't. Nor do people who hand out soup and chicken dinners. In fact much of said work is done by volunteers.

But you knew that.

Op has an issue with salaries of all professions that dont involve working on a building site.

Teachers, Bus Drivers, office workers, IT people, Call centre workers, have all fallen foul of OP.

Logo · 05-12-2019 12:21am

Why can't charities just publish sums and sources of income, salaries and year end results from donations in simple terms. At the minute it's almost impossible to determine which charity is most effective. Personally I prefer to donate to those closest to the need - without having to feed the machine.

Raconteuse · 05-12-2019 12:23am

I don't think the senior executives of a charity should be getting paid six-figure salaries tbh, but social workers, counsellors, event organisers, managers - it's not scandalous for them to be getting paid the 40k mark.

BDI · 05-12-2019 12:24am

anewme wrote: »

Op has an issue with salaries of all professions that dont involve working on a building site.

Teachers, Bus Drivers, office workers, IT people, Call centre workers, have all fallen foul of OP.

Who pours the soup and makes the soup in the soup kitchen?

Are you telling me it’s people with degrees or are you telling me these people are on little to no money and then we have from the 500 staff maybe 20-30 absolutely coining it.

Skewing the average?

tayto lover · 05-12-2019 12:25am

I wonder how much money altogether is given to homeless charities?
There seems to be a lot of duplication of services and I wonder if we’re getting value for money?
Are the same people being helped by more than one service and abusing the system because it seems like it.

05-12-2019 12:26am

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

As someone who's been spit on, hit, threatened, verbally abused countless times... I'd love to say "yep, out they go, tough luck", but when I take my ego out of the equation, the fact of the matter is: homeless clients are generally deeply, deeply traumatised from early life experiences. Huge rates of mental illness, and exposure to drink and drugs as a child or teenager.
So while they can be a pain in the ass today, they're trying to deal with the awful stuff they've gone through early in life. If I'd been sexually abused, or seen someone batter my mother, I might want to blot out that pain too, and maybe drug use or alcohol is the only answer. Maybe it caused me to spiral in terms of mental health, and I had to leave my home and sleep on the streets. Homeless, mental health issues... Who's gonna hire me?

It's a real eye opener working in the job, in so many ways.

Then the answer is to prevent children being born into and growing up in chaotic households, however that may be achieved. There’s no good to be achieved facilitating generation after generation going on like this. The problem is apparently not getting better. We give out hell, rightly so, about clergy having abused children, yet we wring our hands now when children abused emotionally, physically or neglected go on to have children raised in exactly the same circumstance.

Maybe time for long-acting birth control to be part of a chaotic person’s life. It’s another argument. Throwing tons of charity resources at it is NOT apparently improving it or even dealing with it anywhere near adequately.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 05-12-2019 12:28am

BDI wrote: »

Who pours the soup and makes the soup in the soup kitchen?

Are you telling me it’s people with degrees or are you telling me these people are on little to no money and then we have from the 500 staff maybe 20-30 absolutely coining it.

Skewing the average?

Most soup runs use volunteers.

Hostel and Street staff are mostly paid, with some volunteers lending extra support.

And most back office staff (management, finance, communications, fundraising, all the usual business departments) are paid, again with some volunteers lending extra support.

Facts.

05-12-2019 12:29am

tayto lover wrote: »

I wonder how much money altogether is given to homeless charities?
There seems to be a lot of duplication of services and I wonder if we’re getting value for money?
Are the same people being helped by more than one service and abusing the system because it seems like it.

It’s what I wonder too, but I honestly don’t know enough to have an opinion on whether the multiplicity of services is making it actually worse by rendering helpless people even more apparently helpless. Greed tends to be a human condition whether we are rich or poor.

weldoninhio · 05-12-2019 12:31am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Surprised it took so long for an attack on McVerry tbh. He lambasts the government for the behaviour of Murphy for claiming 51k yet not doing the job he was elected to do whilst Peter accompanied a teenager to court who was caught stealing a bar costing a euro.

Anyone that believes the the DPP prosecuted a child for a €1 bottle of orange shouldn’t be allowed do anything without a carer watching over them.

weldoninhio · 05-12-2019 12:34am

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

We have less than 11,000 homeless people and 500 employees in PMV, how many do the other vested interest charities employ?

Seems to me that there are a lot of people whose job is dependent on the homeless.

I wonder if these organisations are actually helping the issue.

100% if they really cared they’d merge and save costs. Wouldn’t need to pay multiple CEOs, CFOs, COOs, but they won’t. It’s big business these days.

weldoninhio · 05-12-2019 12:35am

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

37k isn’t, exactly, a “decent” wage either. Grand for basis admin type roles.

If they were getting 70 or 80k it might raise a few “eyebrows”.

I’m failing to see what the problem is, cranky OP getting his crank on, perhaps?

37k is the average. There’ll be some on a lot less and some on an awful lot more.

griffin100 · 05-12-2019 12:35am

How many of the 10,000 plus ‘homeless’ utilise soup kitchens, hostels, etc? There are probably more people employed in the homeless sector than there are living in the streets or in homeless hostels.

Earthhorse · 05-12-2019 12:35am

Deleted User wrote: »

Then the answer is to prevent children being born into and growing up in chaotic households, however that may be achieved.

It likely can’t be. At least not in at a level where you would wipe out homelessness.

Maybe time for long-acting birth control to be part of a chaotic person’s life. It’s another argument.

Completely impractical and unethical though. No way an idea like that would fly.

Throwing tons of charity resources at it is NOT apparently improving it or even dealing with it anywhere near adequately.

An alternative way of looking at that is if we weren’t throwing these resources at the problem it would be way worse. Far more people sleeping rough, dying on the streets and causing trouble on them because they have no support.

I agree it’s not very satisfactory but it’s something lots of modern cities have to face and we haven’t got the real, workable solutions to it yet.

05-12-2019 12:42am

I laud people who work in difficult situations, eg with people affected by serious addiction etc, I know a tiny bit of what such people can be like from my job working in the public service, from which I am retired. I didn’t cope well, I would nevr volunteer to do it in a million years. So when I make criticisms here on this thread, it is more to do with the leftist notion that it will all somehow improve when enough resources are thrown at it. Neither will market forces of any kind improve it. But whatever is being overall done now is never going to succeed in the long run. The wily Illegal Drug industry is behind much of the worst of it.

And BTW I don’t think making heroin legal and freely available to everyone who feels like dosing themselves is a solution either. A society doped up to the eyeballs on legal or illegal drugs is a doped up society one way or the other. The only reduction in evil being less of gangs shooting each others’ members.

Earthhorse · 05-12-2019 12:46am

Deleted User wrote: »

So when I make criticisms here on this thread, it is more to do with the leftist notion that it will all somehow improve when enough resources are thrown at it.

Do you really think that is what leftists believe? No one I know on the left believes that. They’re well aware it’s a complex situation.

BDI · 05-12-2019 12:47am

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Most soup runs use volunteers.

Hostel and Street staff are mostly paid, with some volunteers lending extra support.

And most back office staff (management, finance, communications, fundraising, all the usual business departments) are paid, again with some volunteers lending extra support.

Facts.

So hostel and street staff are paid. Probably hostel and streets staff wages. Maybe a euro an hour more. 11 euro an hour.

Then the boyos in the offices away from the homeless people must be absolutely coining it. Probably get a lot of charity owner families and friends in these positions.

markodaly · 05-12-2019 12:53am

Ronin247 wrote: »

There are 189,000 employees in the charity sector in Ireland. There are approximately 10,000 registered charities. There are 300,000 unpaid volunteers

Homeless charities have approximately 2000 employees, even though there are only a few hundred sleeping rough nationwide.

If the average salary for working in the homeless "industry " is €37,000 then considering there are a lot of families in the numbers, we could probably fund 3 homes at a rent of €1000 per month from each salary, 2000 x 3 homes is 6000 homes..... no more homeless people.

Let me say there are a large number of very good people who work in these charities and I dont wish to tar them all with the same brush but it is an industry.

This.

It just seems that the whole 'charity' sector is hugely inefficient.
Too much overlap, too much repetition.
There are dozens of homeless charities, can we just not have a few of them? Each one needs its 'own' CEO being paid a 6 figure sum.

Very wasteful and they do not build one house either.

Highroad12 · 05-12-2019 1:02am

You think the profit from donations of clothes you make to Vincent's de Paul.....no!!

Only around 10% of the PROFIT goes to the charity.

I heard from a fella before that collected for charities that he was "great at getting donations and was going to set up his own one", as if it was a business!!! Gobsmacked!!

weldoninhio · 05-12-2019 1:04am

It’s like a giant Ponzi scheme. There is a finite amount of money that people can donate. The more charities there are, the more CEOs etc there are, the more overheads there are, the less money available for the actual cause you are donating to. Sickening.

The “charity” industry as it currently stands is the donating version of homeopathy. So diluted down that it’s useless.

Plumbthedepths · 05-12-2019 1:26am

weldoninhio wrote: »

Anyone that believes the the DPP prosecuted a child for a €1 bottle of orange shouldn’t be allowed do anything without a carer watching over them.

Irish Times December 3rd. Contact the editor there chief if you think it's BS.
https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/colette-browne-a-homeless-boy-in-court-over-1-drink-while-td-picks-up-51600-expenses-no-wonder-fg-is-on-the-ropes-38752301.html
Also the Indo.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-12-2019 1:35am

markodaly wrote: »

This.

It just seems that the whole 'charity' sector is hugely inefficient.
Too much overlap, too much repetition.
There are dozens of homeless charities, can we just not have a few of them? Each one needs its 'own' CEO being paid a 6 figure sum.

Very wasteful and they do not build one house either.

120,000 euro!!!!

05-12-2019 1:42am

Earthhorse wrote: »

Do you really think that is what leftists believe? No one I know on the left believes that. They’re well aware it’s a complex situation.

Well a certain media cohort purporting to have left or liberal views seems to speak as if to give the impression. I think most people really do know in their hearts it’s horribly complex. I am certainly the last to know any solutions.

05-12-2019 1:53am

BDI wrote: »

Who pours the soup and makes the soup in the soup kitchen?

Are you telling me it’s people with degrees or are you telling me these people are on little to no money and then we have from the 500 staff maybe 20-30 absolutely coining it.

Skewing the average?

Speaking of people with degrees, having a PhD in the Fine Arts of 17th Century Japan would hardly be useful when organising a roster for hostel workers. One has to presume when talking about degrees it has to be one directly relevant for the job to be of consequence as far as financially rewarding a charity employee. No good imagining a graduate of Biblical Aramaic is worth a cent more for a job where no knowledge is not called for.

Peter McVerry Trust staff and wages

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