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    #452
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    jh79 wrote: »
    All i am saying is only an extremely naive person would believe that the IRA didn't profit from the drug trade , they were willing to work with farc rebels after all.

    IRA rebels (I prefer volunteer or guerrilla to "rebel" but I'll go with your terminology ) were willing to work with the PLO rebels, ANC rebels and Basque ETA rebels.I think they worked with other rebel groups from Europe as well like Red Army Faction (or similar groups like thhat).
    I know they were helped by a British Red Brigade atleast as late as 1993, because the people who bombed Harrods in 1993 were both English men with no connection to Ireland what so ever who believed in revolutionary socialism.


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    #453
    Hannibal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭Hannibal


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    If there are drug dealers worth a billion and everyone knows that but can do nothing about it. It seams pretty obvious to me that we are fighting a losing battle with our war on drugs. Something needs to change here because our current plan for dealing with this problem is clearly not working. That's if we even have a plan?
    There was drug dealers worth billions in the 80's and the war on drugs was lost 30 years ago. The governments are wasting billions every year fighting something they will never ever win.

    Prohibition era bootlegging of alcohol in the US in the best example, it created crime families in every city plus gave the Kennedys a presidency.


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    #454
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »
    They wouldn't have needed to tax drug dealers. They were getting free weapons from Libya, thousands of Assault riffles, SMG's, GPMG's, Hand Guns, Revolvers, millions of rounds of ammunition, Military Flamethrowers, RPG7's, Single Shot Sniper Rifles, DShK Heavey Machine Guns, SAM's & tons & tons of Semtex, thousands of detonaters, anti-handling devices etc... plus £2million all for free.
    According to Brendan O'Brien there was actually an 'over-supply', especially regarding the AK-47s

    Although the Eksund that got captured by the French Navey in 1987 was the largest shippment ever for the IRA. I don't know how many people know about the IRA Army Councils plan of "TET Offensive" constructed for Ireland, which was to take place around the late 80's. But they needed the whole 5 shippments to get to Ireland, the first four landed without problem but the biggest one the Eksund was caught, wjich conatined double the amount of stuff I mentioned already plus contained Military Mortars and a 106-Millimetre Cannons. And they need all 5 shippments to through with the TET plan, so instead they decided in 1988 to go back to a more intense campaign on the British mainland than ever before.

    And then there was also all the help from the American Brigade, mainly from the Boston Battalion, D Company.
    Plus they also got help from the likes of the PLO, the Basque ETA, they got lots of help from people involved in Liberation struggles & the IRA & INLA supported people in Liberation struggles also, like carrying out reconnaissance missions for the ANC.

    http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/1106

    So they didn't need to tax drug dealers. The wiped out the IPLO for being involved in drug dealing. I think it was just before the ceasefire they handed a priest £20,000 worth of Cannabis, thats not signs of an organization that need to tax drug dealers.
    And they were robbing banks also, which I think they called "revolutionary funding" or something to that effect,they also did the same thing in the 1920's as well and I think the Fenians did something similar also during the bombing campaign in the 1880's.

    Not needing to doesn't mean they didn't. They trained FARC rebels, that money came from drugs. They could nearly assinate the PM of the UK but couldn't stop the drug trade in dublin. Not buying it.


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    #455
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    bubblypop wrote: »
    while they may not have needed to, they still did.
    call it protection if you like, but if you were a drug dealer & you paid the IRA some of your money, then they allowed you to deal.
    those that didn't pay up, paid the price in other ways, kneecapping etc.
    the dissident groups still do it to a certain extent, just a hand me down from the IRA ways, if you like.

    So why not taxt the IPLO instead of wast time, energy, men (they used about 100 volunteers for the Night of the Long Knifes) ammunition & security on wiping an Irish Republican paramilitary group out. They killed one & kneecapped about 15 people and sent about two dozen into exile. I thought you said kneecappings by the IRA was to make people pay up, not deter them from selling drugs which is what they did to the IPLO.


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    #456
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    jh79 wrote: »
    Not needing to doesn't mean they didn't. They trained FARC rebels, that money came from drugs. They could nearly assinate the PM of the UK but couldn't stop the drug trade in dublin. Not buying it.

    Well you & I don't need to do anything so by that logic you & me might be drug dealers.

    Do you mean the IRA trained FARC guerrillas & FARC paid them, and the money FARC used to pay them came from drugs?


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    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »
    Well you & I don't need to do anything so by that logic you & me might be drug dealers.

    Do you mean the IRA trained FARC guerrillas & FARC paid them, and the money FARC used to pay them came from drugs?

    Possibly or maybe they were paid in the one commodity of value farc had ie coke. Not like they have audited accounts. Both of us are assuming but neither of us can claim to have a definitive answer.


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    #458
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    jh79 wrote: »
    Possibly or maybe they were paid in the one commodity of value farc had ie coke. Not like they have audited accounts. Both of us are assuming but neither of us can claim to have a definitive answer.

    Alright, so do you have any reliable links to articles that say the IRA was paid by FARC in either money or Coke?


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    #459
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    What I'd like to know is who is bringing drugs in to the country now and what can be done to put a stop to it. The situation is totally out of control at the moment.


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    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    I guess that's a NO, or he's just going through Google to try find some articles about FARC Volunteers giving IRA Volunteers coke. An easy way to find out is to see what ex-Volunteers have coke addictions now lol. biggrin.png


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    #461
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »
    I guess that's a NO, or he's just going through Google to try find some articles about FARC Volunteers giving IRA Volunteers coke. An easy way to find out is to see what ex-Volunteers have coke addictions now lol. biggrin.png

    Ok lets say your right and the FARC rebels paid in cash, how is that different than taxing drug dealers?

    Are you really that naive to think the IRA would accept money off FARC but not off the Hutch drug gang for example? FARC wholesale to the European market and the Hutch gang to the Irish market.

    Make light of it all you like but the Columbia three and the Dowdals suggest SF and the IRA were not as anti drugs as you would like us to believe.

    But hey they knee capped a few pathetic street level dealers probably trying to fund their own habit. Cannon fodder for those in charge. How come they never got a big player in the market?


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    #462
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »
    Alright, so do you have any reliable links to articles that say the IRA was paid by FARC in either money or Coke?

    Even if they did it for free they helped an outfit known to supply drugs to the European market, are you ok with that as long as no money changed hands?

    What interaction with the drugs trade is acceptable to you and can you explain where the farc rebels fit in this outlook?


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    #463
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    jh79 wrote: »
    Ok lets say your right and the FARC rebels paid in cash, how is that different than taxing drug dealers?

    Are you really that naive to think the IRA would accept money off FARC but not off the Hutch drug gang for example? FARC wholesale to the European market and the Hutch gang to the Irish market.

    Make light of it all you like but the Columbia three and the Dowdals suggest SF and the IRA were not as anti drugs as you would like us to believe.

    But hey they knee capped a few pathetic street level dealers probably trying to fund their own habit. Cannon fodder for those in charge. How come they never got a big player in the market?

    All I know is the person in our local town suspected of being behind the drug business has never been caught with anything. No connection to SF as far as I can see. But making a total ass of the law.


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    #464
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No no, I was interested to know when the RUC or Army had used proxy bombings. You know, where the civilian was strapped into a truck or JCB laden with explosives and forced to drive at a target. I didn't say "the British Army and RUC never killed civilians", nor did I say "the crown forces were somehow above deliberately killing innocent people in contrast to the dreaded Provos".

    I am aware of the Glennane Gang. It was grotesque. Only a clown would suggest the RUC or Army or Loyalists were above killing civilians. But to say that the RUC had as their aim the killing of civilians, whereas the IRA were on some higher moral ground, despite burning them to death, or killing them because they were Protestant, or indeed strapping them to bombs, is simply nonsense.

    I wanted to return to this, the Proxy bomb attacks in 1990 in Coshquin & Newry were disgusting & should never have happened first of all, they were stupid second of all as it was obviously going to weaken support for them & give their enemies powerful propaganda aginst them. They knew they were wrong themselves as they never tried the tactic again.
    It was shameful.

    I know theres about 15 other IRA operations (out of like 50,000 operations) carried out that I condemn without hesitation. Enniskillen, Shankill bomb and Teeban. All horible acts.

    Loyalists actually retaliated to most of these type of attacks even when they only killed soldiers. The Miltown massacre was for Enniskillen, Sean Graham & James Murrays bookmakers shootings were revenge for Teebane & Greysteel was for Shankill.
    Six horrible acts the only difference was the IRA apollogized for their role in them, now it's not much & wont comfort anyone, but it's better to the Loyalist response who said they wished there was more in Greysteel or in James Murray one of the UDA attackers threw a grenade into the building while shouting "Youse deserve it, youse Fenian bastards".


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    #465
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »
    I wanted to return to this, the Proxy bomb attacks in 1990 in Coshquin & Newry were disgusting & should never have happened first of all, they were stupid second of all as it was obviously going to weaken support for them & give their enemies powerful propaganda aginst them. They knew they were wrong themselves as they never tried the tactic again.
    It was shameful.

    I know theres about 15 other IRA operations (out of like 50,000 operations) carried out that I condemn without hesitation. Enniskillen, Shankill bomb and Teeban. All horible acts..

    I wonder would the above poster be so quick to condem the Balcombe St gang & their actions?


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    #466
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users Posts: 1,791 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    jh79 wrote: »
    Ok lets say your right and the FARC rebels paid in cash, how is that different than taxing drug dealers?

    Are you really that naive to think the IRA would accept money off FARC but not off the Hutch drug gang for example? FARC wholesale to the European market and the Hutch gang to the Irish market.

    Make light of it all you like but the Columbia three and the Dowdals suggest SF and the IRA were not as anti drugs as you would like us to believe.

    But hey they knee capped a few pathetic street level dealers probably trying to fund their own habit. Cannon fodder for those in charge. How come they never got a big player in the market?

    It's completely different. They are providing a service to FARC in exchange for cash, there not involved in the process of were that money comes from. If there taxing drug dealers they are involved in the process and keep the drug game going.

    No, I think they could be capable of it there's just no proof to show me they have. I'm open to having my mind changed if you show me some evidence.

    Martin Cahill was a pathetic street level dealer? How high up do you want them to be?


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    #467
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    BalcombeSt4 wrote: »
    It's completely different. They are providing a service to FARC in exchange for cash, there not involved in the process of were that money comes from. If there taxing drug dealers they are involved in the process and keep the drug game going.

    No, I think they could be capable of it there's just no proof to show me they have. I'm open to having my mind changed if you show me some evidence.

    Martin Cahill was a pathetic street level dealer? How high up do you want them to be?

    Martin Cahill was supposedly killed for dealing with the UVF and wasn't involved in drugs (not that i'd believe that either).

    And training FARC rebels doesn't help keep the drug game going? They buy equipment using drug money and the IRA show them how to use it more efficiently. Or they use the knowledge imparted on them by the IRA to increase their influence on the European drug market.

    And your ok with that?


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    #468
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    Can you honestly say that training narco-terrorists (whatever terminology you like, the nacro part is the important bit) to be better narco-terrorists isn't helping the drug trade?


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    #469
    jh79
    Registered Users Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭jh79


    According to wiki (they reference the cia and dea), drug trafficing was not a major part of FARC funding and they tolerated it as long as the farmers got a fair price for it.

    Seems i was being a bit unfair to FARC and the IRA , i'm sure they'll get over it.


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    #470
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    FARC's involvement in drug dealing is often exaggerated. The biggest drug dealers in Colombia, since the fall of cartels, are the right wing paramilitaries.


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    #471
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Sinn Fein can't run a bath.

    They certainly don't want to run the country.

    They're perfectly aware they can't run a country.

    They're perfectly aware they can't be trusted to run a country.

    They're giggling away at anyone that thinks they can run a country.

    They're very comfortable where they are. Bitching and sniping from the sidelines.

    And that is where they will stay.
    end of the road wrote: »
    they can run a country. they will run this country north and south. they are trusted, will be trusted, can be trusted. it's only a matter of time. it's going to happen.

    We're close to me eating my hat here @end of the road! Three years down the road, scary times for Ireland.


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    #472
    Zebra3
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    jh79 wrote: »
    Martin Cahill was supposedly killed for dealing with the UVF and wasn't involved in drugs (not that i'd believe that either).

    He was supposedly killed for trying to flog off stolen paintings to the Portadown UVF (later King Rat's LVF) and for possibly colluding with the Loyalist attack on the Widow Scallan's which saw one Republican hero save the lives of dozens of innocent civilians inside the pub.


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    #473
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Little to be at if we're dragging three year old threads up.


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