jh79 wrote: » All i am saying is only an extremely naive person would believe that the IRA didn't profit from the drug trade , they were willing to work with farc rebels after all.
Farmer Ed wrote: » If there are drug dealers worth a billion and everyone knows that but can do nothing about it. It seams pretty obvious to me that we are fighting a losing battle with our war on drugs. Something needs to change here because our current plan for dealing with this problem is clearly not working. That's if we even have a plan?
BalcombeSt4 wrote: » They wouldn't have needed to tax drug dealers. They were getting free weapons from Libya, thousands of Assault riffles, SMG's, GPMG's, Hand Guns, Revolvers, millions of rounds of ammunition, Military Flamethrowers, RPG7's, Single Shot Sniper Rifles, DShK Heavey Machine Guns, SAM's & tons & tons of Semtex, thousands of detonaters, anti-handling devices etc... plus £2million all for free. According to Brendan O'Brien there was actually an 'over-supply', especially regarding the AK-47s Although the Eksund that got captured by the French Navey in 1987 was the largest shippment ever for the IRA. I don't know how many people know about the IRA Army Councils plan of "TET Offensive" constructed for Ireland, which was to take place around the late 80's. But they needed the whole 5 shippments to get to Ireland, the first four landed without problem but the biggest one the Eksund was caught, wjich conatined double the amount of stuff I mentioned already plus contained Military Mortars and a 106-Millimetre Cannons. And they need all 5 shippments to through with the TET plan, so instead they decided in 1988 to go back to a more intense campaign on the British mainland than ever before. And then there was also all the help from the American Brigade, mainly from the Boston Battalion, D Company. Plus they also got help from the likes of the PLO, the Basque ETA, they got lots of help from people involved in Liberation struggles & the IRA & INLA supported people in Liberation struggles also, like carrying out reconnaissance missions for the ANC.http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/1106 So they didn't need to tax drug dealers. The wiped out the IPLO for being involved in drug dealing. I think it was just before the ceasefire they handed a priest £20,000 worth of Cannabis, thats not signs of an organization that need to tax drug dealers. And they were robbing banks also, which I think they called "revolutionary funding" or something to that effect,they also did the same thing in the 1920's as well and I think the Fenians did something similar also during the bombing campaign in the 1880's.
bubblypop wrote: » while they may not have needed to, they still did. call it protection if you like, but if you were a drug dealer & you paid the IRA some of your money, then they allowed you to deal. those that didn't pay up, paid the price in other ways, kneecapping etc. the dissident groups still do it to a certain extent, just a hand me down from the IRA ways, if you like.
jh79 wrote: » Not needing to doesn't mean they didn't. They trained FARC rebels, that money came from drugs. They could nearly assinate the PM of the UK but couldn't stop the drug trade in dublin. Not buying it.
BalcombeSt4 wrote: » Well you & I don't need to do anything so by that logic you & me might be drug dealers. Do you mean the IRA trained FARC guerrillas & FARC paid them, and the money FARC used to pay them came from drugs?
jh79 wrote: » Possibly or maybe they were paid in the one commodity of value farc had ie coke. Not like they have audited accounts. Both of us are assuming but neither of us can claim to have a definitive answer.
BalcombeSt4 wrote: » I guess that's a NO, or he's just going through Google to try find some articles about FARC Volunteers giving IRA Volunteers coke. An easy way to find out is to see what ex-Volunteers have coke addictions now lol.
BalcombeSt4 wrote: » Alright, so do you have any reliable links to articles that say the IRA was paid by FARC in either money or Coke?
jh79 wrote: » Ok lets say your right and the FARC rebels paid in cash, how is that different than taxing drug dealers? Are you really that naive to think the IRA would accept money off FARC but not off the Hutch drug gang for example? FARC wholesale to the European market and the Hutch gang to the Irish market. Make light of it all you like but the Columbia three and the Dowdals suggest SF and the IRA were not as anti drugs as you would like us to believe. But hey they knee capped a few pathetic street level dealers probably trying to fund their own habit. Cannon fodder for those in charge. How come they never got a big player in the market?
Deleted User wrote: » No no, I was interested to know when the RUC or Army had used proxy bombings. You know, where the civilian was strapped into a truck or JCB laden with explosives and forced to drive at a target. I didn't say "the British Army and RUC never killed civilians", nor did I say "the crown forces were somehow above deliberately killing innocent people in contrast to the dreaded Provos". I am aware of the Glennane Gang. It was grotesque. Only a clown would suggest the RUC or Army or Loyalists were above killing civilians. But to say that the RUC had as their aim the killing of civilians, whereas the IRA were on some higher moral ground, despite burning them to death, or killing them because they were Protestant, or indeed strapping them to bombs, is simply nonsense.
BalcombeSt4 wrote: » I wanted to return to this, the Proxy bomb attacks in 1990 in Coshquin & Newry were disgusting & should never have happened first of all, they were stupid second of all as it was obviously going to weaken support for them & give their enemies powerful propaganda aginst them. They knew they were wrong themselves as they never tried the tactic again. It was shameful. I know theres about 15 other IRA operations (out of like 50,000 operations) carried out that I condemn without hesitation. Enniskillen, Shankill bomb and Teeban. All horible acts..
BalcombeSt4 wrote: » It's completely different. They are providing a service to FARC in exchange for cash, there not involved in the process of were that money comes from. If there taxing drug dealers they are involved in the process and keep the drug game going. No, I think they could be capable of it there's just no proof to show me they have. I'm open to having my mind changed if you show me some evidence. Martin Cahill was a pathetic street level dealer? How high up do you want them to be?
John_Rambo wrote: » Sinn Fein can't run a bath. They certainly don't want to run the country. They're perfectly aware they can't run a country. They're perfectly aware they can't be trusted to run a country. They're giggling away at anyone that thinks they can run a country. They're very comfortable where they are. Bitching and sniping from the sidelines. And that is where they will stay.
end of the road wrote: » they can run a country. they will run this country north and south. they are trusted, will be trusted, can be trusted. it's only a matter of time. it's going to happen.
jh79 wrote: » Martin Cahill was supposedly killed for dealing with the UVF and wasn't involved in drugs (not that i'd believe that either).
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