Peter McVerry Trust staff and wages

Plumbthedepths · 08-12-2019 5:31pm

easypazz wrote: »

You gave me a link to a coordinated effort by a charity on 2 specific dates.

You mention prague but cant say if its an organised effort or not.

It's you that seems fixated on whether it's organised or random. I never mentioned in any comment whether it was random or organised. My point was the hanging of coats out in public happens in other cities. I went and posted links of two examples for you. Anyway made my point I'm done. You carry on whinging if you wish.

corner of hells · 08-12-2019 5:31pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is what they don’t seem to be getting. A good idea badly executed.

Even you, with your blinkered outlook have to be able to see that it was a very adhoc idea by a group out people with the best if intentions, granted it didn't work out perfectly but ya know , that's life

"To err is human......

easypazz · 08-12-2019 5:36pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It's you that seems fixated on whether it's organised or random. I never mentioned in any comment whether it was random or organised. My point was the hanging of coats out in public happens in other cities. I went and posted links of two examples for you. Anyway made my point I'm done. You carry on whinging if you wish.

Off you go then. Its still a stupid idea the way it was implemented here.

Your examples merely showed how other countries do it properly.

08-12-2019 5:39pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Even you, with your blinkered outlook have to be able to see that it was a very adhoc idea by a group out people with the best if intentions, granted it didn't work out perfectly but ya know , that's life

"To err is human......

We are in agreement there. No blinkers here. Just concerned about the waste of seemingly good clothes.

easypazz · 08-12-2019 5:39pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Even you, with your blinkered outlook have to be able to see that it was a very adhoc idea by a group out people with the best if intentions, granted it didn't work out perfectly but ya know , that's life

"To err is human......

So you accept it was a stupid idea, albeit well intentioned.

The concept if fine, the execution was the problem. Thats all we are saying.

Dublin council were right to remove the coats, and give them to charity to use in a coordinated manner, but got slated for it.

Plumbthedepths · 08-12-2019 5:39pm

easypazz wrote: »

Off you go then. Its still a stupid idea the way it was implemented here.

Your examples merely showed how other countries do it properly.

Fair play it must be difficult though to find a negative in everything.
Not going anywhere just done with discussing the coats. Feel free to carry on whinging though about the good intentions of others. ;-)

corner of hells · 08-12-2019 5:39pm

easypazz wrote: »

Off you go then. Its still a stupid idea the way it was implemented here.

Your examples merely showed how other countries do it properly.

I wonder , in the examples of the other countries did it work out perfect first time.
Did they think of wrapping the coats in plastic, were they clean and dry ,was the weather good at the time ?
Did they have a bit of trial and error first couple of times ?
Obviously round these parts theres no margin for error.

08-12-2019 5:47pm

corner of hells wrote: »

I wonder , in the examples of the other countries did it work out perfect first time.
Did they think of wrapping the coats in plastic, were they clean and dry ,was the weather good at the time ?
Did they have a bit of trial and error first couple of times ?
Obviously round these parts theres no margin for error.

From Plumthedepths earlier post “ Warm clothing like jumpers and scarves are put on hangers, covered in a waterproof cover and often tagged with a note explaining that they’re for people in need. “I’m not lost, I’m for you if you’re cold”, is one of the typical messages left on the labels.”

easypazz · 08-12-2019 5:53pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Fair play it must be difficult though to find a negative in everything.
Not going anywhere just done with discussing the coats. Feel free to carry on whinging though about the good intentions of others. ;-)

I see no negative in recycling and donating goods to charity etc.

But a stupid idea will always be a stupid idea, no matter how well intentioned you are.

easypazz · 08-12-2019 5:55pm

corner of hells wrote: »

I wonder , in the examples of the other countries did it work out perfect first time.
Did they think of wrapping the coats in plastic, were they clean and dry ,was the weather good at the time ?
Did they have a bit of trial and error first couple of times ?
Obviously round these parts theres no margin for error.

In Limerick they hung the coats on a rail under shelter.

Its blindingly obvious that hanging them on a bridge in a storm was stupid.

corner of hells · 08-12-2019 6:06pm

easypazz wrote: »

In Limerick they hung the coats on a rail under shelter.

Its blindingly obvious that hanging them on a bridge in a storm was stupid.

So you keep saying.

08-12-2019 6:07pm

corner of hells wrote: »

So you keep saying.

Yet you still think it’s ok to just hang them outdoors in inclement weather.

corner of hells · 08-12-2019 6:08pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

From Plumthedepths earlier post “ Warm clothing like jumpers and scarves are put on hangers, covered in a waterproof cover and often tagged with a note explaining that they’re for people in need. “I’m not lost, I’m for you if you’re cold”, is one of the typical messages left on the labels.”

Brilliant, again first time done in Dublin and it didn't work out perfect.
Always room for improvement.

corner of hells · 08-12-2019 6:10pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yet you still think it’s ok to just hang them outdoors in inclement weather.

Once again, theres high footfall of homeless in that area between MQI and various hostels, it wouldnt be a great leap of imagination for a homeless individual to get a coat back to their hostel or even a drop in centre to get any coat cleaned and dried.

BDI · 08-12-2019 6:15pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That’s grand and fine IF the coat is clean and dry. This is Ireland after all. Again I ask what use are cold wet clothes to cold wet people.
It IS a good idea, but a bit of common sense is needed. At least put them in a waterproof cover.

You want to put homeless people in waterproof covers until you are good and ready to deal with them?

08-12-2019 6:20pm

BDI wrote: »

You want to put homeless people in waterproof covers until you are good and ready to deal with them?

Now, there’s a novel idea!

easypazz · 08-12-2019 6:23pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Once again, theres high footfall of homeless in that area between MQI and various hostels, it wouldnt be a great leap of imagination for a homeless individual to get a coat back to their hostel or even a drop in centre to get any coat cleaned and dried.

Bit stupid though. Putting extra strain on the overworked staff having to clean and dry additional clothes when it could be avoided.

ShamNNspace · 08-12-2019 6:30pm

I think a certain amount of homeless or streetsleepers will always be with us for whatever reason no matter what we or the government do. In this day and age there should be no reason for anyone to sleep in a doorway or outside. Just thinking would it be an idea to have these pods like they have in Japan which are lockable and clean with facility to charge a phone and sleep in peace in safety. There would be around 20 pods in a bank with shared shower facilities. In Japan workers and suchlike use them to catch a night or a few hours sleep

end of the road · 08-12-2019 6:31pm

easypazz wrote: »

Off you go then. Its still a stupid idea the way it was implemented here.

it's not.
it's grand hence it's being done in other countries.

easypazz wrote: »

OYour examples merely showed how other countries do it properly.

no his examples show that it is being done in other countries.

easypazz wrote: »

I see no negative in recycling and donating goods to charity etc.

But a stupid idea will always be a stupid idea, no matter how well intentioned you are.

it won't be if it's not, which it isn't, apart from in you and a couple of other's opinion.

easypazz · 08-12-2019 6:39pm

end of the road wrote: »

it's not.
it's grand hence it's being done in other countries.

no his examples show that it is being done in other countries.

it won't be if it's not, which it isn't, apart from in you and a couple of other's opinion.

No other country randomly hangs clothes on a bridge exposed to the elements because they know its stupid.

corner of hells · 08-12-2019 7:45pm

easypazz wrote: »

Bit stupid though. Putting extra strain on the overworked staff having to clean and dry additional clothes when it could be avoided.

You're flapping now , drop in centres and hostels provide laundry services for anyone accessing their services.

corner of hells · 08-12-2019 7:46pm

easypazz wrote: »

No other country randomly hangs clothes on a bridge exposed to the elements because they know its stupid.

Hardly stupid , we all make mistakes, it doesn't mean we're stupid.

HeidiHeidi · 23-10-2021 11:51pm

Holy mother of the divine 😱

24-10-2021 1:21am

How long were you typing for to produce that drivel?

vriesmays · 24-10-2021 11:52am

If it wasn't for people like Peter McVerry unemployable former addicts wouldn't be living 25 minutes from Grafton St on low rents while saps with jobs stand on trains for over an hours daily to get to work.

24-10-2021 11:57am

Imagine writing that wall of text only for no one to read it 😂

salmocab · 24-10-2021 1:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065668#Comment_118065668

At the very least you’d stick in a tldr

end of the road · 24-10-2021 2:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118065642#Comment_118065642

yes they would.

apache · 25-10-2021 8:42pm

Something about the man I don't like. I've met him a few times.

Very fond of the prisoner and showers them with gifts. I'm not a fan

riclad · 27-10-2021 2:55am

Those organisations provide hot food to people living on the streets and also advice to homeless people Re how to get accommodation

They have to be trained and paid they drive around the city at night it's not an easy job it's getting very hard for single people to find accommodation we have a housing crisis some people do not use hostels they live on the streets in tents Theres also people who volunteer for free at soup kitchens mcverry provides services to help people find accomodation

Do you expect people to work for nothing in 2021?

It's not like working in an office they work weekends Bank Holidays etc every day

27-10-2021 3:20am

Its a money train, 75% of the homeless in Ireland repeat homeless those who have been homeless and will continue to become homeless as they are caught in the system with no proper supports for addication or mental health, The Peter McVerry Trust, The DePaul Trust two of the biggest homeless charities in Ireland are also now two of the biggest landlords in the country as well no that they are on the Approved Housing Bodies list and they will continue to expand around the country setting up homeless services and buying up houses and apartments and renting them out.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/53ab7-approved-housing-bodies-ahbs/

Mad_maxx · 27-10-2021 8:31am

McVerry is a demagogue of the highest order

Loves to lecture governments about what they should do and well beyond his remit ,let him put his name on a balot paper

elperello · 27-10-2021 12:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118078340#Comment_118078340

He's not a demagogue at all.

He has no power but seeks to hold those with power to account.

The name on ballot paper thing is just a regular taunt thrown at people who lobby for sectoral interests.

Water John · 27-10-2021 12:56pm

It's quite clear that there are too many groups running night soup runs for the homeless in Dublin. Homeless people complain of being woken 5/6 times each night by different groups offering soup.

Cluaid and Respond have worked for years putting affordable housing in place all over the country. Not sure why the Peter McVerry Trust is expanding out the country?

Mrs OBumble · 27-10-2021 1:11pm

Does anyone know how Peter McVerry handle tenants who do not pay their (full) rent?

Being on the receiving end of how tenants treat landlords is sometimes an interesting experience for charities.

ShamNNspace · 27-10-2021 3:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118079726#Comment_118079726

Kililea is happy with it in Tuam anyways🤔

Thinkingaboutit · 27-10-2021 3:13pm

There was Fr Sean Healy SMA, head of the appropriately named Social Justice Ireland, a lover of holy high taxes, both him and his report producing charidee, but also fancy Mercs, has likely been mentioned. A lot of charidee bosses fancy themselves as Principal Officer or Sec Gen so pay themselves that salary (99k to 200k plus, unctuous faux holiness has its perks) out of mostly taxpayer money supporting a very cookie cooker charity business.

growleaves · 28-10-2021 8:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/111935845#Comment_111935845

Some charity workers do do it for nothing.

St Vincent de Paul is a mix of volunteers and paid professionals.

Email the charity concerned and just ask them about their volunteer element?

mariaalice · 28-10-2021 9:41am

Its a very complex issue and anyone with half a brain would know that, in Dublin and probably other urban areas, The famine brought a huge amount of very poor into urban areas the ones who always lived just above starvation, until comparatively recently Ireland was a poor country, why does anyone think joining the British army was so popular in Dublin people has no choice, any jobs for the unskilled such as being a day labour in the docks was very precarious.

A large amount of intergeneration poverty, alcoholism, addictions, mental health issues, borderline disabiliteis.

The closer of long-stay institutions St Brendans in Grangegorman as recently as the 1950s and 1960s 20,000 people were living there let alone all the other long-stay institutions such as doss houses which started out as model lodgings previous eras attempts to solve homelessness.

Different expectations and was of living, from some family history we know a great uncle joined the civil services in the 1930s and live in digs in Dublin all his life even after he retired, accessing housing becoming more complex and the expectations of higher standards.