Official Conor McGregor thread (part 6) Read Mod Note in Post 1 Revised 13-01-19

weldoninhio · 23-10-2018 8:34am

Mellor wrote: »

Copy and paste for the lazy.

Fairly fair assessment there imo. Concedes he made mistakes. That he wasn't switched on. He knows he only took the 3rd. and that the 2nd was the worst round of his career.

I said more or less the same thing about the big shot in the second. I really think it had a huge impact on the fight. Led directly to the mauling in the second. And the domino effect there is huge. Feel that a lot of people disregarded it beyond being a big shot.

No mention of his consistent rule breaking in there.

RoryMac · 23-10-2018 8:35am

Acidogusto wrote: »

Are you incapable of reading, he said Khabib won the first round.

Well he also said "from a fight standpoint the first round is mine."

Standman · 23-10-2018 8:38am

cliggg wrote: »

Ah I don't know about that, he says I the whole time. It's well established at this stage that Conor does what he wants and doesn't like being told no by anybody. If he wanted to train more standup then he would tell John that and they would. They didn't speak for a few weeks after the Aldo fight either so I'd say it's normal for them. John had 2 or 3 fighters on the Bellator cards a week after the fight and Conor almost immediately went on his whiskey tour thingy so texts were probably the best way for them to communicate.

To be honest, I felt like Kavanagh was unhappy with the camp from what he said on Rogan's podcast. He said something along the lines of "If we do it again, we have to get back to an old-school training camp." In my head I imagined Conor was just coming and going as he pleased and basically setting the rules of the camp himself. When you see Roddy's vlogs I always found it a bit weird that there seems to be such separation between him an his team.

505_ · 23-10-2018 8:38am

Nice honesty from mcgregor there at least. Some clinging to the fact khabibs huge right hand wasn’t a knockdown or didn’t do that much damage dispelled by mcgregor himself. The criticism of Kavanagh is interesting. Anyway hopefully he can come back more focused and give the rematch a better go whenever it may be.

Autecher · 23-10-2018 8:43am

Standman wrote: »

To be honest, I felt like Kavanagh was unhappy with the camp from what he said on Rogan's podcast. He said something along the lines of "If we do it again, we have to get back to an old-school training camp." In my head I imagined Conor was just coming and going as he pleased and basically setting the rules of the camp himself. When you see Roddy's vlogs I always found it a bit weird that there seems to be such separation between him an his team.

True that's a good point, it did seem like John wanted it to change. After the first Diaz fight I remember the same thing, John talked about how he'd be leaving the gym at 11 pm and Conor would just be arriving to train and when he lost they went back to how it used to be. Hopefully the same thing happens again. Also I liked the fact that Conor said his next fight doesn't have to be the rematch, if he is willing to fight Tony for the number 1 contender spot then that could be a cracker of a fight.

Whelo79 · 23-10-2018 8:45am

He left out one glaring detail, something all the fans want to know. Was it:

It's only business
Throwing kisses
Fine clinches
Flying fishes
Washing dishes

Or something else completely!

Alf Veedersane · 23-10-2018 9:07am

RoryMac wrote: »

Well he also said "from a fight standpoint the first round is mine."

I read that as meaning that while Khabib won the round in the context of how it would be scored. the way the round played out isn't so binary because he felt he engaged and nullified Khabib.

0cp71eyxkb94qf · 23-10-2018 9:09am

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djPSB · 23-10-2018 9:52am

'Listen to nobody but yourself on your skill set.'

Is Conor implying that the strategy was wrong from his team? And that his own skills were underestimated.

sonofenoch · 23-10-2018 10:04am

RoryMac wrote: »

Yeah more than a little, pretty clear he feels the training camp & gameplan nullified his qualities and played into Khabib's hands.

In JK's interview with Ariel he said he didn't speak to McGregor after the fight and a week later hadn't spoken to him aside from a few texts, that surely can't be normal for a coach & fighter

Kavanagh said much te same on Joe Rogan a few days after the fight ...they went into the fight too defensive minded

Commanchie · 23-10-2018 10:17am

It comes back to conor simply was so focused on Khabibs TD ability all other areas where neglected.

Mousewar · 23-10-2018 10:29am

djPSB wrote: »

'Listen to nobody but yourself on your skill set.'

Is Conor implying that the strategy was wrong from his team? And that his own skills were underestimated.

It does seem to imply that he perhaps tempered his natural attacking instincts somewhat in favour of a more defensive plan by his team. I don't think it implies a problem with them necessarily but it does suggest he won't temper what he wants to do going forward.

Gamb!t · 23-10-2018 10:50am

Wasnt there one of the round breaks in the fight where JK said dont stand with him which he ignored so it kind of answers those questions of not believing in his own skillset ?

Brussels Sprout · 23-10-2018 11:06am

I will be back with my confidence high.
Fully prepared.
If it is not the rematch right away, no problem.
I will face the next in line.
It’s all me always, anyway.

Sounds like he's realised that the rematch ain't happening which is great.

So who's next in line for him?

Assuming Tony is out of the picture as he's (hopefully) getting a title shot that leaves Kevin Lee (who has an upcoming fight), Poirier (injured) or a rematch with Aldo or Diaz.

LollipopJimmy · 23-10-2018 11:07am

That is probably the most sensible post I've ever seen him write. His assessment isn't far wrong either which is nice to see

jimwallace197 · 23-10-2018 11:13am

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Sounds like he's realised that the rematch ain't happening which is great.

So who's next in line for him?

Assuming Tony is out of the picture as he's (hopefully) getting a title shot that leaves Kevin Lee (who has an upcoming fight), Poirier (injured) or a rematch with Aldo or Diaz.

I'd like to see an Aldo rematch or Kevin Lee, I dont think fighting Diaz again is really going to do anything for him, Diaz will trade with him standing up & its just a case of having good cardio for Mcgregor then.

Aldo because there is a lot of history there and I dont think we ever got to see what a fight between them could be really like, id be very interested to see if Aldo tries to use any of his Ju-Jitsu & what his approach to the fight would be like.

Kevin Lee would be interesting also and would probably be the best preparation for him if he is likely to get another chance at Khabib.

Of course, this is only if Ferguson is being lined up for Khabib, if not, then absolutely that fight is the one to make imo

dulux99 · 23-10-2018 11:26am

That's the kind of post alot of us have been waiting for. Good to read. Very honest. It's been said to death but he needs the camp of a lifetime to beat Khabib and he obviously didn't have that the first time around. Ring rust was definitely a factor, a fight in mid 2019 against a Pettis or someone leading into a rematch this time next year is what I hope happens.

RoryMac · 23-10-2018 11:34am

Acidogusto wrote: »

And it clearly wasn't a fight standpoint that matters, it's the sport standpoint which matters and he gave the win to Khabib.

Since when are there different 'standpoints' in a bout?? He lost the first round on every conceivable standpoint

RoryMac · 23-10-2018 11:36am

dulux99 wrote: »

That's the kind of post alot of us have been waiting for. Good to read. Very honest. It's been said to death but he needs the camp of a lifetime to beat Khabib and he obviously didn't have that the first time around. Ring rust was definitely a factor, a fight in mid 2019 against a Pettis or someone leading into a rematch this time next year is what I hope happens.

It's a very positive comment from McGregor, it seems his hunger is back and rather than looking for the money fights as I had expected him to he intends on proving himself to be worthy of a title shot and to correct the mistakes he made first time round.

VW 1 · 23-10-2018 11:50am

RoryMac wrote: »

Since when are there different 'standpoints' in a bout?? He lost the first round on every conceivable standpoint

He lost on points, but realised from a confidence point of view that he could spend a decent amount of time on the bottom of Khabib without taking much/any damage or have his cardio affected too badly.

He's just taking the positive as a win which is important for a fighter.

Commanchie · 23-10-2018 12:27pm

Gamb!t wrote: »

Wasnt there one of the round breaks in the fight where JK said dont stand with him which he ignored so it kind of answers those questions of not believing in his own skillset ?

John said dont chase him.

VW 1 · 23-10-2018 12:35pm

John was right as well, walking him down was a bad move.

Even that looping overhand right which Conor got caught with, 99 times out of 100 he doesnt get hit with that in a fight. Look at his distance control v eddie and aldo, one of his greatest assets. Yet he was so intent on getting in on Khabib he neglected to notice that thing come from miles away.

Sofiztikated · 23-10-2018 12:42pm

Acidogusto wrote: »

I think his next fight should be the likes of Iaquinta, someone like that. Someone that he'll probably beat. He could easily lose to Kevin Lee or Ferguson. He doesn't want two losses in a row.

Ah would you quit. 1 loss, and you want him fighting outside top 10 ranked fighters, that he'd "probably" beat?

dulux99 · 23-10-2018 12:52pm

Couple of little comments few of you have picked up on regarding "you know your own skillet", along with some small comments made by John on both Joe Rogan and the Helwani interview... Maybe all is not rosy in the garden between those two?

I think it's pretty obvious at this stage John Kavanagh is a small, decent level coach who coaches mostly pretty average fighters, and has been blessed with one star pupil. Apart from McGregor, at the top level (UFC and Bellator) SBG have had a torrid few years.

It would be fascinating to see McGregor go somewhere else for a camp. He'd have to swallow his pride in a big way to do that though, as he's often lambasted people who shift from camps to camp.

LollipopJimmy · 23-10-2018 12:58pm

For me I think that's reading too much into what has been written.

dulux99 · 23-10-2018 1:01pm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

For me I think that's reading too much into what has been written.

Probably.

But we're gossips.

LollipopJimmy · 23-10-2018 1:09pm

dulux99 wrote: »

Probably.

But we're gossips.

:pac:

I can't see him ever walking away from JK or SBG especially this late in his career, if he was going to do it the time was after Diaz 1

mistersifter · 23-10-2018 1:22pm

dulux99 wrote: »

Couple of little comments few of you have picked up on regarding "you know your own skillet", along with some small comments made by John on both Joe Rogan and the Helwani interview... Maybe all is not rosy in the garden between those two?

Kavanagh made similar comments when talking about the loss to Diaz before. He said that that before the loss their training patterns had changed. He said he'd be leaving the gym in the evening and Mcgregor would be coming in and there wasnt much contact, but they realized this and sorted it out before the rematch.

He is saying similar stuff this time around about their lack of contact e.g. being stopped by Conor's security staff when trying to approach and that his fame/business interests were taking up lots of time.

I also think the scene in Roddy's vlog was telling, when McGregor walks in and straight past them with a camera crew behind him. When you compare this to the scenes from Khabib's camp with the whole lot of them together singing. I know these are only 2 short scenes , but they show how the fame side of things impacts on his relationship with those around him and causes a separation that cant possibly be good for his training.

I wonder if they will be able to review things again as they did before Diaz 2 and come back strong. Hope so, but not sure they will.

Axwell · 23-10-2018 1:23pm

Lads considering how long most of you are on boards this shouldnt need to be said but it seems some of you arent aware of the basics - if you are going to respond to someone attack the post, not the poster. Its quite easy to have civil discussion without needing to make comments towards a person just because you dont agree with what they wrote or think you are right and they are wrong.

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Axwell · 23-10-2018 1:35pm

Braylon Flabby Shoehorn wrote: »

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You were banned before on the forum - you are on boards long enough to know how you should and shouldnt carry on (as should everyone else). Seems though you prefer to ignore that. Continue to do so and you will be banned again. You replied via pm and I send you one back, if you have a problem discuss it there. You know where the report button is if you have an issue with a post. PS I am not your mate..

Mellor · 23-10-2018 1:46pm

RoryMac wrote: »

Well he also said "from a fight standpoint the first round is mine."

Meaning Khabib won under the rules of MMA. He won by controlling the round. But he didn't do much with it. I don't think anyone can really argue with that. There was very little striking in rd1 (from both). And even though Khabib dictated where the fight took place, I'm not sure if he even passed Conor's guard.

Tazzimus · 23-10-2018 3:07pm

Mellor wrote: »

Meaning Khabib won under the rules of MMA. He won by controlling the round. But he didn't do much with it. I don't think anyone can really argue with that. There was very little striking in rd1 (from both). And even though Khabib dictated where the fight took place, I'm not sure if he even passed Conor's guard.

Stayed triangling Conor's legs for the most part from what I remember.
Conor had good control of Khabibs hands, so he couldn't do a whole lot or advance much.
Conor also kept popping a leg out of the triangle, that generally doesn't happen.

I think he surprised Khabib a bit, being able to negate his advance like that.

paulieeye · 23-10-2018 3:54pm

MCG wrote:

...before being blessed with a right hand that changed the course of the round, and the fight. ....

isn't this the nature of fighting such a dominant grappler? being hyper aware of the take down to the determent striking defense?

And I wouldnt say khabib got blessed with that right hand...look at it here, perfectly executed feint going low then lightening quick strike...

Tazzimus · 23-10-2018 4:01pm

It was fairly telegraphed as he swung it from his rear ankle somewhere, but Conor missed it as he was too concerned with watching for take downs.

It was a very fast punch though I have to say, although fair play to Conor for not actually going down fully and recovering immediately. It deffo swung the balance in that round firmly to Khabib.

23-10-2018 4:14pm

Conor didn't register that incoming shot at all. His reactions were just not on point.

Even if he was expecting a takedown, even if the shot was crafty and fast (which it was) - you'd still think that Conor at his best would have seen it coming. It's like he was frozen. Even Khabib wasn't expecting it to land, you can see him brace for the counter that never comes

RoryMac · 23-10-2018 4:28pm

Mellor wrote: »

Meaning Khabib won under the rules of MMA. He won by controlling the round. But he didn't do much with it. I don't think anyone can really argue with that. There was very little striking in rd1 (from both). And even though Khabib dictated where the fight took place, I'm not sure if he even passed Conor's guard.

I'm not arguing any of that and yes Khabib did very little in that round but he did more than McGregor in whatever way I look at it.

Useful.Idiot · 23-10-2018 4:43pm

Yeah there's a shade of the Diaz brothers when he talks about from a "fight" standpoint as opposed to the rules. Also in a real fight there'd be no ref to stand them back up.

I think Conor isn't giving Khabib enough credit. He had no energy in the later rounds because he was worn down defending all the grappling and it's almost debatable that he won the 3rd round even when it was mostly standing so he shouldn't be patting himself on the back too much about that one.

Not sure if he fully believes all this or whether he's being purposely dismissive of Khabib's efforts to stoke the fires for a rematch down the line.

darced · 23-10-2018 4:55pm

RoryMac wrote: »

Since when are there different 'standpoints' in a bout?? He lost the first round on every conceivable standpoint

Not really true, Conor landed double Khabibs amount of strikes in round 1.

xtal191 · 23-10-2018 5:14pm

Surely all the fouls, fence grabbing, gloves/shorts pulling etc were preventing Khabib from getting in better positions?

I've still yet to re-watch it so maybe the fouls weren't as bad as I first thought.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 23-10-2018 5:27pm

Mellor wrote: »

I thinking you are projecting a subtext on to it that doesn't exist.
If he said "Relax, it's only business", "back off, it's only business" or similar. Then I'd agree that the 'I was only messing' parallel applies. But that wasn't what he said or the context.

The survival mode doesn't really apply either. The video clip that was circulated show Khabib ground and pounding, and Conor getting up to say it's only business. But that's a composite of different parts of the fight and not what actually happened. He didn't say it after getting battered, be said it after round 3, the round he won where Khabib failed to land a takedown. Khabib was getting frustrated after that round and shouting to Herb Dean. He says something to Conor. Conor pushes Khabibs head away with his head and says “it's only business” or whatever. I think people are making a mountain out of molehill here.

I'll be honest with you. I had to go back to what I'd posted as I'd an evening of food & whiskey tasting and had a few too many (Jameson Caskmates Stout Edition, beautiful with Roguefort blue cheese) then a meal of wild mushrooms & black garlic risotto & white wine (yup, I certainly over done it lol).

Certainly people are making a mole hill out of the whole thing and people will believe what they want to hear (to the point of delusion).

23-10-2018 5:31pm

Useful.Idiot wrote: »

Yeah there's a shade of the Diaz brothers when he talks about from a "fight" standpoint as opposed to the rules. Also in a real fight there'd be no ref to stand them back up.

The funny thing is that after getting beaten by Floyd he was going on about "limited ruleset" and how he was glad to be going back to his own sport of unrestricted fighting.

He can't make his mind up.

JJayoo · 23-10-2018 5:42pm

xtal191 wrote: »

Surely all the fouls, fence grabbing, gloves/shorts pulling etc were preventing Khabib from getting in better positions?

I've still yet to re-watch it so maybe the fouls weren't as bad as I first thought.

Shhhhhhh don't mention these things.

RoryMac · 23-10-2018 5:44pm

darced wrote: »

Not really true, Conor landed double Khabibs amount of strikes in round 1.

It wasn't a boxing match! Khabib clearly won the first round

mmmayonaise · 23-10-2018 8:27pm

Extremely disappointing statement.

Deluded.

He got whopped fair and square. He keeps changing the goalposts "I lost the bout but won the fight etc" whatever that means.

He seems to take digs at his own coaching team.

Very strange to post a photo of him hitting Khabib, his best punch in the fight, and it did not affect Khabib at all.

We are about to witness the downfall.

spix · 23-10-2018 8:28pm

mmmayonaise wrote: »

Extremely disappointing statement.

Deluded.

He got whopped fair and square. He keeps changing the goalposts "I lost the bout but won the fight etc" whatever that means.

He seems to take digs at his own coaching team.

Very strange to post a photo of him hitting Khabib, his best punch in the fight, and it did not affect Khabib at all.

We are about to witness the downfall.

It didn't affect khabib at all yet khabib moved his arms up and down 3 times after it landed as if he lost control of his limbs, then immediately shot for a takedown. It definitely stunned him. There's no downfall for Conor until he retires if he continues to be smart about which fights he chooses. He has surpassed winning/losing being important as long as he gives a decent showing.

Mousewar · 23-10-2018 8:38pm

mmmayonaise wrote: »

Extremely disappointing statement.

Deluded.

He got whopped fair and square. He keeps changing the goalposts "I lost the bout but won the fight etc" whatever that means.

He seems to take digs at his own coaching team.

Very strange to post a photo of him hitting Khabib, his best punch in the fight, and it did not affect Khabib at all.

We are about to witness the downfall.

There was undoubtedly some ego massaging going on in his interpretation of the fight but that's to be expected from Conor. He has a reputation to try to protect. Point is though that he seems to recognise where he went wrong and what he has to do to improve for next time. So that, and his indication that he will fight again soon make it a positive statement.

weldoninhio · 23-10-2018 8:40pm

Harper Crooked Season wrote: »

I'll be honest with you. I had to go back to what I'd posted as I'd an evening of food & whiskey tasting and had a few too many (Jameson Caskmates Stout Edition, beautiful with Roguefort blue cheese) then a meal of wild mushrooms & black garlic risotto & white wine (yup, I certainly over done it lol).

Certainly people are making a mole hill out of the whole thing and people will believe what they want to hear (to the point of delusion).

Al Iaquinta was on Ariels show today talking about how he’s lost a bit of respect for Conor after his “it’s only business” remark. So it’s not just Irish “begrudgers” that hears that.

Also seen Khabib met the Russian minister for sport about fighting Mayweather in Moscow’s “legendary” arena, presumably the Luzhniki??

JJayoo · 23-10-2018 8:45pm

spix wrote: »

It didn't affect khabib at all yet khabib moved his arms up and down 3 times after it landed as if he lost control of his limbs, then immediately shot for a takedown. It definitely stunned him. .

This is getting bizzare

spix · 23-10-2018 8:47pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Al Iaquinta was on Ariels show today talking about how he’s lost a bit of respect for Conor after his “it’s only business” remark. So it’s not just Irish “begrudgers” that hears that.

Also seen Khabib met the Russian minister for sport about fighting Mayweather in Moscow’s “legendary” arena, presumably the Luzhniki??

You do realise most people including Al obviously don't listen properly, they read the subtitles that were included on the video and just believe it.

Khabib meeting any Russian about a Mayweather fight is a complete waste of time, he must be doing it to make news or not to be rude when they express interest in talking about it. Mayweather will never fight outside Vegas and definitely not in his opponents country, and one known for sporting shenanigans at that. You think he'd trust Russia with potentially over 100 million dollars? He has talked about fighting in other countries before but again that's just to be nice to the people approaching him in said country.

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