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Oh lord, my first instinct is to casually dismiss this as mere tattle and overactive fanboy imagination, because if it were true it would effectively undermine all the arcs, journeys and themes of the batman trilogy.
Whatever about the ins and outs of just how "realistic" they were, the batman films were self-contained in a world without magic and the fantastic. If suddenly it turns out that Supes, Zod and the rest of the gang were knocking around all this time, I think it cheapens a lot of what happened to Gotham city, to the point where it all becomes a little meaningless. The battle for Gothams soul doesn't add up to much if superman could have saved them
A man jumping off roofs on wings of malleable fabric, fighting villains with pain-killer facemasks, ninja armies and fear-gas isn't fantastic!?Even setting aside the fantasy/sci-fi aspects it would completely undermine the ending and Bruce's character arch over the course of the trilogy.
I'm calling bs on the rumour for that reason alone.
It might... Or it might prove what us nerds know to be a bigger truth; Bruce Wayne could never really leave Batman behind.
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Nervous Wreck wrote: »A man jumping off roofs on wings of malleable fabric, fighting villains with pain-killer facemasks, ninja armies and fear-gas isn't fantastic!?
Compared with Superman? Yeah, pretty much. Like I said, whatever the arguments about how 'real' Batman was, Superman and his ilk are leaps and bounds above that level. There are grades of reality in these sort of things and Superman would be the thin end of the wedge here - you're opening a door that flies in the face of what has been established.
This argument was done to death in all three Batman threads, but most of the trilogy's tech was either the kind of heightened reality / physics that exists in 99% of blockbuster cinema anyway, so not sure why people got upset about Batmans - car doors don't shield bullets, barrels don't explode when shot, space isn't noisy etc. etc. - or just technologies exaggerated from real concepts or theories. 'Science of tomorrow' sort of thing; hell we're running around with tech in our pockets that would make the 1980s blush.
Nolan was fairly careful to make sure most of the ideas fit within the confines of the world he set it all in. If they suddenly turned around and said "well actually, magic exists. So too aliens with superpowers", suspension of disbelief goes out the window imo.
So to me, a guy wearing a gasmask, amped up on painkillers is infinitely more believable than a super powered alien with laser-beam eyes. It shouldn't really need saying tbh
And considering most of Hollywood can't portray the humble PC without presenting it as some ever-bleeping box of magic tricks, Batman was as realistic a blockbuster as you're ever likely to get! 0 -
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Nervous Wreck wrote: »I would argue this tbh. It's never actively established in any part of the trilogy that the wider DC universe doesn't exist/isn't a possibility. Same with the Burton Batmans etc. Not referred to, certainly. But never explicitly stated, and that gives room for it to be brought in. Also, I'm not arguing that Superman is more of a stretch of the imagination but to say that Nolan's trilogy exists without being fantastic is a stretch.
Well 'fantastic' purely in the sense of something containing fantasy - ie, magic, mysticism, flying superheroes; not in the sense of how easily or otherwise you're able to forgive a little speculative science-fiction I think the Bond comparison above works well to describe what the new trilogy is, realism-wise
As for the DC universe links, I think it's sufficiently established by the implied trajectory of the 3 films & the manner in which they were adapted from the comics. Everything was downplayed and dialed right back from their comic equivalents - the villains, Bane in particular, were a good example of this - and the absence of the more outlandish creatures such as Killer Croc or Clayface made it fairly clear we weren't watching a world of superhumans.
And I hope it stays that way - Nolans Batman showed you don't have to indulge in the more fanciful comic stylings to stay true to its story; it'd be a shame if all that deliberate work was negated by a man in red underpants flying around the world this particular Gotham exists in 0 -
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jonnyfingers wrote: »Superman could be introduced to the Nolan Batman universe like another poster has said. You could show in the upcoming film that Superman only decided to show his powers after TDKR. So up to then anyone like him was unknown in that world.
Would be a bit more difficult getting Green Lantern to fit in though as from what I barely remember from that forgettable film he was a bit more public and news should have gotten around about him.
I think a Batman & Superman film could work though, and maybe they discover more minor characters along the way. Personally I'd love to see a Flash film.
Green Lantern is a problem alright. Unless it was somehow made out that those events happened after Dark knight and maybe even man of steel. Could we see a reboot of the character similar to what hulk got
I have no problem with the other members of the justice league being introduced into the dark knight universe. Batman is a comic book character so expanding it to a larger universe with new elements is fine. I would just see it as the next chapter.
Although I sadly don't think it will happen
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As disappointing as MoS was for me I am really very excited about this, it's a great way to reboot batman too rather than retread the origins again. It would have been good to have another standalone superman film but hey.
I hope they up their game a bit though and realise that what makes a great superman and batman story is the charcters themselves, their friendship and rivalry, not punching people through buildings (though that has its place of course).
Would love them to do Tower of Babel for the eventual JLA film
Also hearing rumours they're going to announce Spider-Man will be in Avengers? Unlikely though.0 -
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paddy kerins wrote: »Looks like this
I just got home after being out all day to news of this. I couldn't be more excited
Meh. Still looks awful. Almost a rectangle.0 -
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Will this be a Batman vs Superman movie like The Dark Knight Returns? That's my absolute favourite Batman & Superman story/comic/movie EVER!
Link"Snyder officially confirmed the project at the San Diego Comic-Con today (July 20), bringing out his Man of Steel star Harry Lennix to read out a message from Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns.
"I want you to remember Clark," he said. "In all the years to come. In all your private moments. I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember, the one man who beat you."
If he got him to read that quote he must be going down that road! Have any of you seen the animated "The Dark Knight Returns"? It's unbelievably good.
If you haven't seen it, go watch it and enjoy how great it is.
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Sacramento wrote: »Will this be a Batman vs Superman movie like The Dark Knight Returns? That's my absolute favourite Batman & Superman story/comic/movie EVER!
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If he got him to read that quote he must be going down that road! Have any of you seen the animated "The Dark Knight Returns"? It's unbelievably good.
If you haven't seen it, go watch it and enjoy how great it is.
Excited.
It's not based on TDKR, just inspired by it. So that could just mean they're gonna fight at some point0 -
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Handsome Bob wrote: »While they didn't play up to it as much as they could have in the TDK Trilogy, Batman is still known as "The World's Greatest Detective".
You're right, Bruce can't add muscle to the situation (and this will be a big challenge for Snyder & Goyer to get around).
I'm guessing that they'll reboot Batman as the brilliant mind and world class detective (with vast resources) that he's always been in the comics.
I'm excited anyway, but if Snyder is using The Dark Knight Returns as inspiration, he better be careful with how he handles Clark. Snyder should be using this film to finally bring Superman onto an equal footing with Batman. If he unwittingly plays Clark up as the big blue scout while portraying Bats as the cool anti-hero, then it'll be an unmitigated disaster for a character that they should be trying to build up, and not tear down.
Yeah and there's also the aspect that they're two sides of the same coin, they both ultimately have similar goals but go about it in different ways with Supes not always agreeing with Batman's methods. Would be cool if they braught a bit of Batman's weariness and paranoia about superhumans too, i also like the way Batman might not have any powers but yet still illicits the most fear from the villains (and even the other members of the JLA too).
This was one of my favourite Batman scenes form the animated JL series (probably not the first time I've posted this :pac:):
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Yeah and there's also the aspect that they're two sides of the same coin, they both ultimately have similar goals but go about it in different ways with Supes not always agreeing with Batman's methods. Would be cool if they braught a bit of Batman's weariness and paranoia about superhumans too, i also like the way Batman might not have any powers but yet still illicits the most fear from the villains (and even the other members of the JLA too).
This was one of my favourite Batman scenes form the animated JL series (probably not the first time I've posted this :pac:):
WTF is at 44 seconds!!0 -
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norrie rugger wrote: »WTF is at 44 seconds!!
Ah I think whoever made the vid tried to crank up the volume so you can hear what Batman says. Kind of like a few folks did for the ending of Lost in Translation 0 -
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