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UFC 202 Event Thread: Diaz v McGregor 2 (Information in OP)

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  • #52
    Wetwipe65
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Wetwipe65


    Gamebred wrote:
    You dont seriously believe he was fine before that 1-2 landed? c'mon now,I agree he wins again.


    Not fine, but its not the reason he lost the fight. He couldn't handle Diaz's power. A good clean punch is all it will take again

    I hope to be proved wrong.


  • #53
    [Deleted User]
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    All this "gassed" talk is awful sh1te, Conor was thoroughly battered, the gas was knocked out of him.


  • #54
    Wetwipe65
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Wetwipe65


    Augeo wrote:
    All this "gassed" talk is awful sh1te, Conor was thoroughly battered, the gas was knocked out of him.


    Spot on there lad! He couldn't hurt Diaz with all his power but Diaz rocked him with a good jab.


  • #55
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    McGregor via Submission
    Augeo wrote: »
    All this "gassed" talk is awful sh1te, Conor was thoroughly battered, the gas was knocked out of him.

    so the multiple power shots he landed in the first didnt tire him at all? underestimated diaz' chin and swung for the fences to try get a highlight reel ko. its that simple, throw that many power punches and youll tire yourself out, dont get how some people cant understand that!


  • #56
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Disagree lads think he punched himself out and was down **** creek that just sealed the deal,weather it was a cardio problem,or just couldnt go the pace with Nate and panicked only he knows either way im not debating all night on ive been over it hundreds of times since,that was also a 12 day nate with no sparring leading up to it in fairness to Nate,


    nothing surprises me after the results of late but I'd be pleasantly surprised if he beat Nate.


  • #57
    Gamebred
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    Depp wrote: »
    so the multiple power shots he landed in the first didnt tire him at all? underestimated diaz' chin and swung for the fences to try get a highlight reel ko. its that simple, throw that many power punches and youll tire yourself out, dont get how some people cant understand that!


    There is no grey with people when it comes to Conor,its black or white one extreme opinion against an other you'll debate it for hours with people dont waste your time trying to convince people of your view I've learned that from debating mma.


  • #58
    Wetwipe65
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    Not looking to debate all night anyway, Just think its a lot more got to do with chin than gas, we will see anyway. I'm not looking forward to this as I was he's last few fights, suppose tis drawn out now and we have 200 to think about.
    .will this be conor first fight as underdog with the bookies?


  • #59
    Paully D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Augeo wrote: »
    All this "gassed" talk is awful sh1te, Conor was thoroughly battered, the gas was knocked out of him.
    Wetwipe65 wrote: »
    Spot on there lad! He couldn't hurt Diaz with all his power but Diaz rocked him with a good jab.

    Another 2 and a half months of this, followed by another 6 months if he loses again. Jesus wept.


  • #60
    Depp
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    McGregor via Submission
    Gamebred wrote: »
    There is no grey with people when it comes to Conor,its black or white one extreme opinion against an other you'll debate it for hours with people dont waste your time trying to convince people of your view I've learned that from debating mma.

    aye it seems that way, hard to understand some of them, dont know wether to think if its plain trolling or extreme stupidity!


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
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    Depp wrote: »
    aye it seems that way, hard to understand some of them, dont know wether to think if its plain trolling or extreme stupidity!

    Sure that could be applied to your point too.

    Conor came out and said he was "in_eff_i_c_ient" with his energy, from there the "he gassed" crap started to flow.

    He had a full training camp for a major fight, he was in tip top condition.


  • #62
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    he pulled out of fights with, what have to be considered as legit, injuries. He didn't just actively avoid defending it.

    He hasn't avoided defending it.

    Both Edgar and Aldo were offered a shot at it and both of them turned it down.


  • #63
    Depp
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    McGregor via Submission
    Augeo wrote: »
    Sure that could be applied to your point too.

    Conor came out and said he was "in_eff_i_c_ient" with his energy, from there the "he gassed" crap started to flow.

    He had a full training camp for a major fight, he was in tip top condition.

    yeah and he came out like an idiot swinging for the fences from the first bell, you try do that and not gas


  • #64
    [Deleted User]
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    Paully D wrote: »
    Another 2 and a half months of this, followed by another 6 months if he loses again. Jesus wept.


    I'm personally very sick of reading the gassed rubbish, will I have to endure more of that when Nate batters him again?


  • #65
    [Deleted User]
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    Depp wrote: »
    yeah and he came out like an idiot swinging from the fences from the first bell, you try do that and not gas

    No one was saying that after round 1 iirc.

    All was good in the hood, Conor on top and Nate was bleeding to death iirc was the speel.


  • #66
    [Deleted User]
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    McGregor via Submission
    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Should have been that defense before anything else. Aldo or Edgar would be ready to fight way sooner than mcgregor will after 202. It'll be over a year without attempting to defend it, 3 attempts (1 abandoned) at a higher weight. Not right, imo.
    Wetwipe65 wrote: »
    Not looking to debate all night anyway, Just think its a lot more got to do with chin than gas, we will see anyway. I'm not looking forward to this as I was he's last few fights, suppose tis drawn out now and we have 200 to think about.
    .will this be conor first fight as underdog with the bookies?

    Not yet anyway, Conor is 4/5 at the moment to win and Nate is evens. Conor is still slightly favourite for some strange reason.


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  • #67
    Depp
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    McGregor via Submission
    Augeo wrote: »
    No one was saying that after round 1 iirc.

    All was good in the hood, Conor on top and Nate was bleeding to death iirc was the speel.

    look back at the fight and watch the break between the rounds, there was a huge difference between this and his past fights that have made it to the break, he was breathing much heavier and visibly more tired than the other two times and it was pointed out at the time

    iirc my comment to the lads i was watching with was ''jesus he looks bloody knackered! i dont like this''


  • #68
    Tigger
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    McGregor via Submission
    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    he pulled out of fights with, what have to be considered as legit, injuries. He didn't just actively avoid defending it.

    There are those that cite the "Brazilian problem"


  • #69
    newbbieb
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    Depp wrote: »
    look back at the fight and watch the break between the rounds, there was a huge difference between this and his past fights that have made it to the break, he was breathing much heavier and visibly more tired than the other two times and it was pointed out at the time

    iirc my comment to the lads i was watching with was ''jesus he looks bloody knackered! i dont like this''

    Personally i think its a bit of both,he did gas to some degree no doubt,but in part because nate is so long and Made Conor work that much harder,connecting with anything solid was a lot harder work than he expected.

    He caught Nate plenty in round 1 but he missed an awful lot too,his whole fight preparation was not good for that fight and he will correct it this time around.

    But the same problems are still there,as in Nates length,size and he will be stronger next time out with a camp set for a fight at 170,Nate will be cutting down from 190 for the fight and will outweigh Conor significantly.


  • #70
    MayoSalmon
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    Just don't fancy Conor at 170...will be very good if he he beats Diaz at this weight...don't see it happening though


  • #71
    Cathy.C
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    Depp wrote: »
    look back at the fight and watch the break between the rounds, there was a huge difference between this and his past fights that have made it to the break, he was breathing much heavier and visibly more tired than the other two times and it was pointed out at the time

    iirc my comment to the lads i was watching with was ''jesus he looks bloody knackered! i dont like this''

    Yup. Spot on. He was panting heavy and noticeably trying to avoid looking so I thought.


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  • #72
    Mellor
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    McGregor via Submission
    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Should have been that defense before anything else. Aldo or Edgar would be ready to fight way sooner than mcgregor will after 202. It'll be over a year without attempting to defend it, 3 attempts (1 abandoned) at a higher weight. Not right, imo.
    August will be his 3 fight at a higher weight, not his 3rd.
    UFC 196, and UFC 202.

    12 months between fights is not unusual, no other champ is asked to be stripped.
    Anderson Silva fought at 205 twice, stripping him wasn't even mentioned.
    Augeo wrote: »
    Sure that could be applied to your point too.

    Conor came out and said he was "in_eff_i_c_ient" with his energy, from there the "he gassed" crap started to flow.

    He had a full training camp for a major fight, he was in tip top condition.
    Intensity has to match your pace.
    Usain bolt can't keep up with 100m speed for the 400m.
    A middle distance runner can't run at his mile pace in the 5000m, etc.
    That should be plainly obvious. Yet when it comes to MMA, people act like intensity has no bearing on energy levels or stamina. Fighting is bloody exhausting.

    We see fighters punch themselves or gas their arms grappling all the time. I'm not sure why it's hard to believe it may have bee none of the factors at play in that fight.


  • #73
    Gamebred
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    Many a man has come back from a loss to win the rematch you just gotta look at Bisping,or the great ALI when he came back for revenge against Fraizer and Ken Norton,the problem is the terms of the fight ie outside his normal weight would rather see it at 155 even,this obsession thing is odd,anyways he will be financially compensated win or lose so I wont worry too much about the result.


  • #74
    StringerBell
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    Diaz via Decision
    Cathy.C wrote: »
    He hasn't avoided defending it.

    Both Edgar and Aldo were offered a shot at it and both of them turned it down.

    No they weren't.

    Why is it you continue to post this lie?

    The mental gymnastics to spin someone refusing to defend their belt while being active and pursuing other fights is a joke.

    If Conor has the discipline to shred the front foot of Diaz, and can avoid getting tagged clean I think he might be able to win, maybe. If its a brawl there is only one winner, if it goes to the ground I can't see how he gets the better of it there.

    The first fight was immensely entertaining, I look forward to this one finally getting done.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #75
    newbbieb
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    Mellor wrote: »
    Intensity has to match your pace.
    Usain bolt can't keep up with 100m speed for the 400m.
    A middle distance runner can't run at his mile pace in the 5000m, etc.
    That should be plainly obvious. Yet when it comes to MMA, people act like intensity has no bearing on energy levels or stamina. Fighting is bloody exhausting.

    We see fighters punch themselves or gas their arms grappling all the time. I'm not sure why it's hard to believe it may have bee none of the factors at play in that fight.

    It could have been,but he was finding it hard to catch Nate and had to overextend and work harder to land anything,cardio wasn't causing him to miss so many shots in the first round,cardio also wasn't anything to do with the fact that Nate was able to take Conors best shot.


  • #76
    StringerBell
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    Diaz via Decision
    Gamebred wrote: »
    Many a man has come back from a loss to win the rematch you just gotta look at Bisping,or the great ALI when he came back for revenge against Fraizer and Ken Norton,the problem is the terms of the fight ie outside his normal weight would rather see it at 155 even,this obsession thing is odd,anyways he will be financially compensated win or lose so I wont worry too much about the result.

    Why? Are you on a %?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #77
    Gamebred
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    StringerBell wrote: »
    Why? Are you on a %?


    No I mean I wont lose sleep if he losses hes getting well paid for the risk.


  • #78
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    StringerBell wrote: »
    No they weren't.

    Why is it you continue to post this lie?

    Dana:
    "Let me tell you, there was a long list of people that said they wanted the chance to fight Conor McGregor. We called Jose Aldo, Jose Aldo turned the fight down. We called Frankie Edgar, Frankie Edgar turned the fight down.

    Source.


  • #79
    Gamebred
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    Ah not this ****e again its been done 100 times over Dana was caught lying trying to hang the pair of them in public.


  • #80
    StringerBell
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    Diaz via Decision
    Gamebred wrote: »
    No I mean I wont lose sleep if he losses hes getting well paid for the risk.

    But why would his financial compensation affect you?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #81
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    First I heard of it.

    I read that quote at the time and hadn't heard it said since that it was a lie.


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  • #82
    StringerBell
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    Diaz via Decision
    Cathy.C wrote: »
    Dana:



    Source.

    Yeah, so like I said.

    Why do you keep posting this lie?

    Aldo was not offered a 45 title shot, Frankie was not offered a 45 title shot.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #83
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Diaz via Decision
    Cathy.C wrote: »
    First I heard of it.

    I read that quote at the time and hadn't heard it said since that it was a lie.

    Who do you think believes that though, really?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #84
    Gamebred
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    StringerBell wrote: »
    But why would his financial compensation affect you?


    It wont effect me thats my point,people get too emotionally invested in him wanting the win or loss,the debates on here of which ive had many rage on,who cares, it will effect no ones life bar his own is my point.


  • #85
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Who do you think believes that though, really?

    Believes what? I don't get you. Are you saying I'm lying or something? Why would I bother.

    I read the Dana quotes on SportsJoe at the time and I haven't heard them questioned since.

    The only other article I read regarding it was a while after that where Jose made a comment about turning down the 10-days notice fight offer as it wasn't a 'cockfight' and he'll fight when he has time to train.


  • #86
    Gamebred
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    Frankie was injured with a groin tear sent them x rays to prove it and Aldo wasnt ready iirc,they were both no go's Dana tried to make it look like they were dodging Conor.


  • #87
    Wetwipe65
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Wetwipe65


    Jesus lads it seems I can't even give my view on the fight and how I think the rematch will go without being called an idiot or a troll. People often have completely different opinions on the same thing, what would sites like this be for if everyone agreed with each other, and anyone that didn't isn't allowed speak. MMA fans are so precious, a bunch of bitchy moaners. relax!!

    Yes, Conor did look to be breathing a bit heavier than normal between the rounds, and im not arguing that swinging wildly isnt going to make you tired but I would not say he was gassed, he wasn't in a spot of bother until Diaz started working. Couple of knees to the body and a clean shot to chin, game over. Himself an Kavanagh seem to think he was going to batter Diaz for the rest of the fight if he didn't "gas". I don't care if your the worlds fittest man, when you get the wind kneed out of you and a good slap in the jaw, Your done.


  • #88
    Wetwipe65
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Wetwipe65


    Didn't Nate say after the fight that he heard conor gulp for air after a knee or shot to the body, Cardio training can't help there


  • #89
    Mellor
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    McGregor via Submission
    pone2012 wrote: »
    Look at the stats

    http://www.sportsjoe.ie/mma/stats-a-look-at-how-conor-mcgregor-vs-nate-diaz-went-down/68430

    Diaz trumped him in everything except legs....hardly on top
    Stats are great, but they can also be presented in a different ways.
    Overalls are do tell a lot of info. But its makes more sense to look at round by round stats, as that's how fights are scored.

    Here's the full stats

    Both fighters had a 37% accuracy (significant strikes). But Conor threw more (+22%) and landed over more in Rd1. Conor accuracy was slightly higher in terms of total strikes.

    Both fighters had better accuracy in rd 2, 50% and 60% respectively. They both also threw only 1 of 2 strikes in that round.
    Diaz obviously landed more (54 vrs 33). A large part of that was his strikes from the clinch and on the ground. Strikes from range where closer. (39 vrs 30).

    Overall they both threw 133 significant from striking range. Conor landed 56 vrs 62 (+11%) for Diaz.

    In terms of the stats, the flight was clearly Diaz, not suggesting any different. But it wasn't significantly overwhelming. It was on course to be a clear 19-19 going into the 3rd. Nate should be the favourite in August, but I think its silly to give Conor no chance*.




    *Consider the people who gave "pillow hands" Bisping no chance yesterday


  • #90
    finglashoop
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    Cathy.C wrote: »
    First I heard of it.

    I read that quote at the time and hadn't heard it said since that it was a lie.

    Thats a lie. Was pointed out to you numerous times by more than one person


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  • #91
    Mellor
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    McGregor via Submission
    finglashoop wrote: »
    Thats a lie. Was pointed out to you numerous times by more than one person
    They were both offer the fight, but not at 145. Neither was able to take it on short notice. Completely understandable.

    Saying they "turned the fight down" is BS media spin.
    But it's also silly to keep repeating "it was a lie" ignoring that the fights were considered but not possible. The points at either extreme are wrong and not what actually happen. Not what the drama is.


  • #92
    Cathy.C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    finglashoop wrote: »
    Thats a lie. Was pointed out to you numerous times by more than one person

    Link to a post on this forum where a user, addressing me, points out that Frankie Edgar called Dana out about his comments and provided an xray as proof that he was lying.
    Gamebred wrote: »
    Frankie was injured with a groin tear sent them x rays to prove it and Aldo wasnt ready iirc,they were both no go's Dana tried to make it look like they were dodging Conor.

    Fair enough re Frankie. Just reading this article on it. Bad form from Dana so.

    Tbh, I just took what he said at face value and even thought that the fight was offered at '45. See now that it wasn't and neither was the Aldo offer.

    Should have known really what with the RDA fight going to be at '55.


  • #93
    Wetwipe65
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    He was offered the fight and turned the fight down because he was injured.

    Dana tells the world he turned it down but said nothing about the injury..

    What are ye arguing about


  • #94
    finglashoop
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    Cathy.C wrote: »
    Link to a post on this forum where a user, addressing me, points out that Frankie Edgar called Dana out about his comments and provided an xray as proof that he was lying.



    Fair enough re Frankie. Just reading this article on it. Bad form from Dana so.

    Tbh, I just took what he said at face value and even thought that the fight was offered at '45. See now that it wasn't and neither was the Aldo offer.

    Should have known really what with the RDA fight going to be at '55.

    Why bother. Your spouting the same stuff you were at the time.

    Not being medically cleared is different to being healthy and saying no. I cant quite remember but not sure if aldo was over his medical suspension and if fight ofered was for belt.


  • #95
    darced
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    Diaz via Submission
    This post has been deleted.


  • #96
    Cathy.C
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    finglashoop wrote: »
    Why bother. Your spouting the same stuff you were at the time.

    That's because I still believed what Dana had said to be true, Jesus.

    Not sure what you think I have to gain from lying about it. I didn't know.
    I cant quite remember but not sure if aldo was over his medical suspension and if fight ofered was for belt.

    I wasn't sure about that either, but seems it was at '55:
    "The fight was not at featherweight. Why would I rematch him in a different weight class with no belt?"

    "Now, to make this fight at 155, where he was full of juice in his body, where he hides and nobody tests him, only when he gets to Las Vegas, a week before the fight, and then it’s way easier for you to clean the body and fight."

    "We called and texted him every day (asking for the rematch) and nothing. There was no talk for a month."

    "I waited for a call from Dana (White) for three weeks, and when he texted ‘Dede’ (Pederneiras) I was doing a charity soccer match in Manaus, and he talked about replacing Rafael. He knew I wasn’t training because I was coming back from (medical) suspension."

    Source for the above.


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  • #97
    jcd5971
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    Aldo talking about anyone being full of juice is beyond comical. Never seen that quote before


  • #98
    Mellor
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    McGregor via Submission
    jcd5971 wrote: »
    Aldo talking about anyone being full of juice is beyond comical. Never seen that quote before
    Prior to 194, he questioned whether or not Conor was being tested in Ireland we've no commission. Idiotic stuff for two reasons;
    1. We've been sending athletes to the Olympics forever. UFC is playing catch-up to the Olympics, WADA, not the other way around
    2. Brazil :pac: :pac: :pac: :pac:


  • #99
    Depp
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    McGregor via Submission
    jcd5971 wrote: »
    Aldo talking about anyone being full of juice is beyond comical. Never seen that quote before

    one thing ill say about the whole aldo thing, he can thank his lucky stars he never learned english, if he was able to flow fully with the bitterness and accusations his reputation would be gone completely,
    hed make rocksalt look like a pillar of humility


  • #100
    jcd5971
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    Ah yeah but Aldo has dodged fights due to "injury" wink wink for years coz he got heads up to stop juicing. Only lad worse than him was renan barao. Cheeky **** lol


  • #101
    StringerBell
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    Diaz via Decision
    Gamebred wrote: »
    It wont effect me thats my point,people get too emotionally invested in him wanting the win or loss,the debates on here of which ive had many rage on,who cares, it will effect no ones life bar his own is my point.

    But if people didn't care, one way or the other, then people wouldn't watch. They wouldn't be interested, they wouldn't part with their money.

    How people feel about him, either wanting to see him do well, or wanting to fail is vital to him. In truth it doesn't matter whether the public love you or hate you, as long as they will pay to see you.

    This is something Conor worked out very early, and reaped the benefits of, playing the villain has always been a great way of raising your profile, and having the skills to back up the talk (for the most part) is what propels you to super stardom.

    Saying people shouldn't care whether he wins or loses is grand, but not very realistic, thats the sport.

    If he had beaten Nate I am sure you would still be banging that "he will never be beaten again" drum and extolling the virtues of his character and skill levels ad nauseum.

    To try make out you have no interest in whether he wins or loses now seems pretty hollow to me.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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