Where Is George Gibney?

Beersmith · 10-10-2020 9:59am

John_Rambo wrote: »

Yeah, well observed, thanks for that. He might be best staying quiet till the full podcast is revealed. It's clearly building the story to people not acquainted with the whole atrocity. A story he's more than familiar with. He could bit annoyed this telling is getting so much attention. That's human nature, he's put a lot of effort in to this and may feel he could have been part of it.

He had a lot of valid points though and if you are dropping the episodes weekly it is fair to give your opinion on them weekly imo.

The podcast had delivered little in the first half of episodes, good that it is changing that.

Larsso30 · 10-10-2020 10:27am

One thing this podcast has really done is given the vicitms a voice, which was so horribly denied to them via the Irish Court system. Regardless of any other criticism and if it achieves little else, allowing the victims the chance to tell their story is important.

Plus allows another demographic of people who may never of heard of GG hear first hand his despicable acts

Obrieski · 10-10-2020 10:57pm

Larsso30 wrote: »

One thing this podcast has really done is given the vicitms a voice, which was so horribly denied to them via the Irish Court system. Regardless of any other criticism and if it achieves little else, allowing the victims the chance to tell their story is important.

Plus allows another demographic of people who may never of heard of GG hear first hand his despicable acts

I couldn't agree more with this post.

I have no recollection of ever hearing the name George Gibney ( in my late 20s) so hearing all this for the first time is so despicable to think about what this mad did, and got away with

John_Rambo · 10-10-2020 11:12pm

Beersmith wrote: »

He had a lot of valid points though and if you are dropping the episodes weekly it is fair to give your opinion on them weekly imo.

The podcast had delivered little in the first half of episodes, good that it is changing that.

Yes, of course. Personally, I'd have waited till the final episode before talking. The podcast may not have delivered much on George Gibney in the first half of the episodes, but as Larsso30 pointed out it did give voice to the victims.

I think Muchnik was overseen and could have been an excellent inclusion to the podcast. He's obviously done a lot of groundwork and may have made and excellent interviewee. I think he'd agree with me on this!

Looking forward in a weird way to next Thursdays episode.

radharc · 12-10-2020 3:02pm

yosser hughes wrote: »

He has revised his opinion after hearing the latest episode; in fairness to him.

He saw the light after he was name checked in the most recent episode

Agree with many that the private investigator routine is unnecessary and could have been omitted. It's hard to see how it will lead to anything other than a ten second confrontation in the next episode.

Just a query on Banks, I wasn't clear on the detail. Was it stated that the application for the green card was made the year before any abuse allegations?

Brock Turnpike · 12-10-2020 3:33pm

radharc wrote: »

Just a query on Banks, I wasn't clear on the detail. Was it stated that the application for the green card was made the year before any abuse allegations?

Yes, it was before any allegations had come about. Honestly, the fact he acted sketchy in relation to the job offer reflected so poorly on him. It could certainly be interpreted in different ways, some of which are not good for him.

Slideways · 15-10-2020 9:24am

Just listened to ep 8

So bloody frustrating. They faffed about and completely fûcked up the face to face. They should have lured the dirty fücker into a false sense of security or at least stirred him or his accomplice up.

The interviews at the end were good and I’m sure had some comforting affect on the victims

Salvation Tambourine · 15-10-2020 9:29am

Slideways wrote: »

Just listened to ep 8
So bloody frustrating. They faffed about and completely fûcked up the face to face. They should have lured the dirty fücker into a false sense of security or at least stirred him or his accomplice up.

The interviews at the end were good and I’m sure had some comforting affect on the victims

Yeah, it was really underwhelming.

Still Ill · 15-10-2020 10:23am

Underwhelming is the word alright. Didn't expect him to say much, but thought we might get something. Maybe I missed it, but did they never touch on who this man he's living with is? Seems strange if they didn't.

15-10-2020 1:15pm

Slideways wrote: »

Just listened to ep 8
So bloody frustrating. They faffed about and completely fûcked up the face to face. They should have lured the dirty fücker into a false sense of security or at least stirred him or his accomplice up.

The interviews at the end were good and I’m sure had some comforting affect on the victims

I presume there's a lot of legal requirements for approaching and recording someone on the street like that. They probably had to say they were from BBC straight away, otherwise they couldn't use the footage. I can't think of any other reason why they'd take that tact.

Larsso30 · 15-10-2020 1:39pm

To be fair, they were being dictated by the BBC and Florida state law. Not sure what people expected?

delta_bravo · 15-10-2020 1:45pm

Larsso30 wrote: »

To be fair, they were being dictated by the BBC and Florida state law. Not sure what people expected?

Yeah like I'm sure they could have done a rogue traders style charge at him and throw all the allegations but it would have guaranteed he would have fled.

Their approach gave a very slim chance he might engage but I don't think anyone realistically expected him to considering his history of absconding. It's not the actions of a man who wants to talk

radharc · 15-10-2020 1:47pm

Larsso30 wrote: »

To be fair, they were being dictated by the BBC and Florida state law. Not sure what people expected?

I certainly never expected that Gibney would open up, regardless of the approach taken by the guys.

But it does make all the fluff around the stakeout over the past eight episodes a little more frustrating, now that we know there was no payoff in the end.

brick tamland · 15-10-2020 2:01pm

About the only thing i took out of it all was that his housemate/friend/partner is obviously fully aware of his allegations/past so now i wonder if he has a similar past too.

If there is new evidence and new victims coming forward could he be extradited and tried under our amended laws?

Tell me how · 15-10-2020 3:35pm

brick tamland wrote: »

About the only thing i took out of it all was that his housemate/friend/partner is obviously fully aware of his allegations/past so now i wonder if he has a similar past too.

If there is new evidence and new victims coming forward could he be extradited and tried under our amended laws?

Seriously doubt it after a highly advertised, BBC funded podcast was broadcast. Surely his immediate defence would be that society has already decided he's guilty and cannot get a free trial.

padd b1975 · 16-10-2020 7:16am

I really don't know how they expected anything to happen other than what did.

It was nice to hear an 'okie doke' from Bill though!

finglashoop · 16-10-2020 11:53am

Unsubscribed.

Overproduced muck. Have stuck it out to see if it inproved.

The parts in the car are nothingness convoluted in a way to make it sound like something is happening.

16-10-2020 11:56am

It's definitely dragged out and the reporter tries to make himself the center of it all. But nonetheless, I knew nothing about George Gibney so still found it very interesting. Surely he can't get away with it all.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 16-10-2020 12:05pm

interesting overall but all the car stuff proved unnecessary with that final episode. Coul have cut all that stuff and done a really good show in 4/5 episodes

16-10-2020 5:21pm

Gibney was never ever going to do an interview was he?

With that in mind the car surveillance stuff seems completely pointless from the start as there wasn't even a fart out of Gibney when they confronted him.

What will come out of the last 2 episodes- some more victim accounts by the sounds of it.

patob · 16-10-2020 9:20pm

Very disappointing this week. What reaction did they really expect, the surprise at Gibney's lack of engagement sounds very odd and seems like a bit of mock drama.

Raoul · 16-10-2020 9:56pm

patob wrote: »

Very disappointing this week. What reaction did they really expect, the surprise at Gibney's lack of engagement sounds very odd and seems like a bit of mock drama.

Yeah I agree with that. It really was a damp squib. Probably would have been better pitching the podcast as simply giving the victims a voice.

cloudatlas · 16-10-2020 11:26pm

patob wrote: »

Very disappointing this week. What reaction did they really expect, the surprise at Gibney's lack of engagement sounds very odd and seems like a bit of mock drama.

Yes, I guess it has been a success as in they have put the events back into the public consciousness but not successful in terms of journalistic rigour.

Daisy78 · 17-10-2020 3:35pm

Obrieski wrote: »

I couldn't agree more with this post.

I have no recollection of ever hearing the name George Gibney ( in my late 20s) so hearing all this for the first time is so despicable to think about what this mad did, and got away with

The story was never out of the papers during the mid nineties. And then, with his disappearance it kind of went away. I found some of the stories of his victims incredibly difficult to listen to. It’s appalling to think that he got away with what he did, at a time in the not too distant past. At the very least it has given a platform to his victims to vocalise the pain and suffering he has caused to so many people.

yosser hughes · 17-10-2020 3:44pm

Daisy78 wrote: »

The story was never out of the papers during the mid nineties. And then, with his disappearance it kind of went away. I found some of the stories of his victims incredibly difficult to listen to. It’s appalling to think that he got away with what he did, at a time in the not too distant past. At the very least it has given a platform to his victims to vocalise the pain and suffering he has caused to so many people.

For those who hadn't been aware of this story and other scandals associated, it would be worthwhile to look up another coach-Frank McCann. He burned his house down with his wife and daughter in it. Shocking stuff. Mentioned in the podcast.

https://magill.ie/archive/esther-was-murdered-save-franks-image

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/man-who-murdered-his-wife-and-toddler-daughter-gets-day-release-from-prison-to-attend-college-38163541.html

generalgerry · 18-10-2020 9:08am

Damp squib is actually too soft a term to use for this podcast. I think the most ridiculous point for me was where Mark Horgan was winding back the tape to see if George Gibney may have uttered even one single word, one morsel of new data, one single quote which he could then have put in large font on the top of his newspaper article.

All of the charade with the "car chase" scenes was a waste of time I found to be something of a ruse. And very inappropriate given the serious nature of the topic. The interviews were quite good, albeit going over old ground.

BPKS · 18-10-2020 9:47am

radharc wrote: »

I certainly never expected that Gibney would open up, regardless of the approach taken by the guys.

But it does make all the fluff around the stakeout over the past eight episodes a little more frustrating, now that we know there was no payoff in the end.

They learned he was working in a hospice, where very vulnerable people reside, from their stakeout so that was something.

yaboya1 · 18-10-2020 10:00am

yosser hughes wrote: »

For those who hadn't been aware of this story and other scandals associated, it would be worthwhile to look up another coach-Frank McCann. He burned his house down with his wife and daughter in it. Shocking stuff.

https://magill.ie/archive/esther-was-murdered-save-franks-image

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/man-who-murdered-his-wife-and-toddler-daughter-gets-day-release-from-prison-to-attend-college-38163541.html

Gibney was never tried and this guy only got 25 years for the double murder of his wife and child.
Our justice system is a joke.

generalgerry · 18-10-2020 7:16pm

I found it very odd that for all the thinking that they put in to the eventual confrontation, that they thought it was a good idea for him to say "I'm a journalist with the BBC". He was going to go running either way probably, but you can be sure he was going to head for the hills when the letters BBC were mentioned.

Still Ill · 19-10-2020 12:19am

generalgerry wrote: »

I found it very odd that for all the thinking that they put in to the eventual confrontation, that they thought it was a good idea for him to say "I'm a journalist with the BBC". He was going to go running either way probably, but you can be sure he was going to head for the hills when the letters BBC were mentioned.

Not really about the podcast, but I find it so confusing that someone that's so religious could even contemplate committing such horrific acts. How does such a monster even compartmentalise that? I know all about the Catholic church scandals obviously, but I always just presumed those offenders sought out priesthood for opportunistic reasons. Would be fascinated to know if he thinks he's a good person with his volunteer work in the hospice and going to mass every week.

yosser hughes · 19-10-2020 9:15am

generalgerry wrote: »

I found it very odd that for all the thinking that they put in to the eventual confrontation, that they thought it was a good idea for him to say "I'm a journalist with the BBC". He was going to go running either way probably, but you can be sure he was going to head for the hills when the letters BBC were mentioned.

I found the eventual 'confrontation' very weak really. It reminded me of Charlie Bird's feeble approach to David Drumm in the U.S. years ago.

19-10-2020 1:51pm

yosser hughes wrote: »

I found the eventual 'confrontation' very weak really. It reminded me of Charlie Bird's feeble approach to David Drumm in the U.S. years ago.

In fairness at least there was a few words exchanged between Bird and Drumm.

Gibney didn't even squeeze a fart out during "the discussion".

Gave them absolutely nothing.

generalgerry · 22-10-2020 8:44pm

No episode today? Have they given up on the series same as the rest of us?

Daisy78 · 22-10-2020 8:47pm

Think the next one is scheduled for December, perhaps they are hoping more people will come forward to talk to them in the next couple of weeks after hearing the podcast.

Garlinge · 22-10-2020 8:47pm

It was announced at end of last episode that there is a break. I think two further episodes dealing with victims stories and maybe some date in December for broadcast?

generalgerry · 22-10-2020 9:16pm

Thank you - I must have missed that.

cisco92 · 02-11-2020 10:54pm

sheroman01 wrote: »

I love it - almost an underwater sound to it, blended with nursery rhyme vibes - it's very fitting for the show. It was also specially written and composed for the show by Aaron Dessner of The National.

The soundtrack for this podcast - very similar to what's used at the end of the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary on Jimmy Connor's unlikely run in the 1991 US Tennis open

http://www.espn.com/30for30/film/_/page/thisiswhattheywant

At the end of the doc Connors reminisces on an empty court about '91 - the music for me is almost identical !
( For what its worth - one of the best sports documentaries ever made - you don't have to like tennis to enjoy it )

cisco92 · 03-11-2020 12:19am

This is very a very well laid out chronology of events over the years.

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/04/29/unreasonable-delay/

from the podcast - that John Mullins - Gibney's assistant coach at Trojans for 8 years knew nothing of the abuse - its a possibility - but is in my opinion stretching it.

Its incredible that Swim Ireland were unaware either of Mullin's close association with or posting bail for Gibney.

Oct 8, 2020
“Swim Ireland confirms that John Mullins tendered his resignation from the Swim Ireland Board on Thursday 1st of October. The Board has accepted his resignation following deep concern expressed by the Board and Executive over the content of his contribution in a recent podcast, which was not previously known to the Board or Executive of Swim Ireland.”

BPKS · 30-11-2020 11:38am

Just hearing on Radio One that two more women (from different countries) have come forward to make abuse allegations against Gibney and the Gardaí are now investigating these cases.

This came about from these women listening to the podcast.

delta_bravo · 30-11-2020 3:37pm

Did people listen to the second captains follow up episode a few weeks ago?

What I found interesting was that basically they did the attempted gibney doorstep first and after that did all the other interviews with the victims etc.

Their justification was they didn't want getting out that they were doing the show which might filter out to gibney.

That made sense but I think the premise of the show was a bit disingenuous that all along it was very much being played as they were in the hunt for gibney and collecting info along the way but in reality it sounds more like they found him pretty easily, that didn't go well and then went down another road of talking to the victims and giving them a story.

I thought the show was good but do think they over egged the gibney search part significantly

30-11-2020 3:55pm

delta_bravo wrote: »

Did people listen to the second captains follow up episode a few weeks ago?

What I found interesting was that basically they did the attempted gibney doorstep first and after that did all the other interviews with the victims etc.

Their justification was they didn't want getting out that they were doing the show which might filter out to gibney.

That made sense but I think the premise of the show was a bit disingenuous that all along it was very much being played as they were in the hunt for gibney and collecting info along the way but in reality it sounds more like they found him pretty easily, that didn't go well and then went down another road of talking to the victims and giving them a story.

I thought the show was good but do think they over egged the gibney search part significantly

not surprised at all really

the narrative structure for these types of podcasts is planned out in advance obviously

the whole keystone-cops Gibney "search" didn't work that well at all but I can see why they did it - to try to add some drama and "what is going to happen" element to the historical part of the story

duffman13 · 30-11-2020 3:59pm

delta_bravo wrote: »

Did people listen to the second captains follow up episode a few weeks ago?

What I found interesting was that basically they did the attempted gibney doorstep first and after that did all the other interviews with the victims etc.

Their justification was they didn't want getting out that they were doing the show which might filter out to gibney.

That made sense but I think the premise of the show was a bit disingenuous that all along it was very much being played as they were in the hunt for gibney and collecting info along the way but in reality it sounds more like they found him pretty easily, that didn't go well and then went down another road of talking to the victims and giving them a story.

I thought the show was good but do think they over egged the gibney search part significantly

I think they were glad they did it that way from listening to them. Mark in particular said his reaction was tempered a little by not having met any of the victims at that point. I think it was well known he was in Florida from listening to a few interviews in recent times but not his location or place of work etc. Was a bit dramatised but the way it was done has shone a light and *may* bring the bollocks to some justice finally

generalgerry · 01-12-2020 9:50am

BPKS wrote: »

Just hearing on Radio One that two more women (from different countries) have come forward to make abuse allegations against Gibney and the Gardaí are now investigating these cases. This came about from these women listening to the podcast.

Yeah I think the podcast certainly did some service, and the interviews with the victims was the most important part. But the whole thing was cheapened by the Miami Vice car chase and confrontation nonsense. Gibney was never going to say anything, and he was never going to give them an interview. They would have been better off leaving any confrontation until they had some powder in their gun.

Garlinge · 02-12-2020 10:48pm

Next episode to be broadcast tomorrow.

John_Rambo · 02-12-2020 11:44pm

I wonder who Gibneys supportive buddy is? They guy he lives with and was in the car with. Is he Irish? Does he know if Gibneys past, is he himself a predator or indeed a victim? Gibney is not the type of company anyone normal would want to keep.

Still Ill · 02-12-2020 11:55pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

I wonder who Gibneys supportive buddy is? They guy he lives with and was in the car with. Is he Irish? Does he know if Gibneys past, is he himself a predator or indeed a victim? Gibney is not the type of company anyone normal would want to keep.

Yeah, I mentioned it before here that I found it strange they never delved into that at all.

John_Rambo · 03-12-2020 12:01am

Still Ill wrote: »

Yeah, I mentioned it before here that I found it strange they never delved into that at all.

I forgot you mentioned that actually, sorry. I'm guessing they can't name him, he's doing nothing wrong. The company he chooses is definitely weird, hopefully he's not one of Gibneys victims still under his influence.

generalgerry · 03-12-2020 10:11am

Still Ill wrote: »

Yeah, I mentioned it before here that I found it strange they never delved into that at all.

Yeah I never even thought of that either. Seems to play more of a bodyguard / personal security role than anything else.

03-12-2020 10:16pm

Crazy how pedos like Gibney were able to effectively get away with this depraved behaviour back in the day.

What number of those (then) children were unable to have normal lives after encountering this scumbag?

You'd have to hope that there is no way that this could happen today.

Although these sickos are everywhere

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110413/reviews?ref_=tt_urv

punchdrunk · 04-12-2020 1:32am

I’ve a slightly different take on the Florida stakeout stuff and the confrontation, I too found it hugely frustrating when in the end all they got was silence-no answers, no moral victory but this parallels the experience of the victims exactly (but magnify those feels of fustration, disapontment and anger by a thousand!) this is a glimpse into the limbo they’ve been stuck in.

I’ve read 18 new victims have come forward, you have to give them the credit for that.

Where Is George Gibney?

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