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Where Is George Gibney?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭Menelaun


    Does anyone else feels that John Mullins and Peter Banks know more than they let on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭punchdrunk


    Menelaun wrote: »
    Does anyone else feels that John Mullins and Peter Banks know more than they let on?

    100%

    Banks’ “I don’t remember but I may have writen the letter” is horse****!


  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    what are the requirements for the gardai pursuing a new file - cases that weren't involved in the previous court cases?

    what are the chances of getting an extradition if they went ahead I wonder?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭punchdrunk


    glasso wrote: »
    what are the requirements for the gardai pursuing a new file - cases that weren't involved in the previous court cases?

    what are the chances of getting an extradition if they went ahead I wonder?

    Yeah I think they just need to be new cases not previously involved in the failed previous case.


    If charged in his absence they’d have an excellent case for extradition; the fear would be if he flees the USA before that time and disappears into South America or the Far East


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,301 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    I just finished listening to all ten episodes together. It was an interesting listen and I am delighted that the podcast has encouraged new victims to come forward, making it an important podcast. However I must say that it had a huge amount of flaws. The title is nonsense, they knew where he was from the get go.

    The stuff in America where they are following Gibney is pointless, it should have been left out and instead the podcast should have purely been based on the story behind Gibney and interviews with survivors etc. The producers tried to promote it as something it wasn't and so it ended up being a frustrating listen.

    Fingers crossed that legally something can be done with all the new victims coming forward.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭Menelaun


    punchdrunk wrote: »
    100%

    Banks’ “I don’t remember but I may have writen the letter” is horse****!

    His story of him turning up at the pool and never seen no him again is so fishy.

    I bet he knows John Gibney quite well.

    Mullins was a tool, got thrown off the board of swim Ireland over what he said on the podcast


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,824 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    I just finished listening to all ten episodes together. It was an interesting listen and I am delighted that the podcast has encouraged new victims to come forward, making it an important podcast. However I must say that it had a huge amount of flaws. The title is nonsense, they knew where he was from the get go.

    The stuff in America where they are following Gibney is pointless, it should have been left out and instead the podcast should have purely been based on the story behind Gibney and interviews with survivors etc. The producers tried to promote it as something it wasn't and so it ended up being a frustrating listen.

    Fingers crossed that legally something can be done with all the new victims coming forward.

    I'm up to Episode 8 now. There's certainly a lot of padding in there. I'm guessing they were contracted to provide the 5 or 6 hours of material and had to fill it out with all the dramatic car chase stuff, which doesn't really work in audio only.

    Susan's case broke my heart - an Olympic class swimmer whose life was literally destroyed by that fúcker having his jollies to the extent that she is permanently in an institution - a whole-of-life sentence for her.

    You'd have to wonder about Gibney's financial situation. If he's been mostly volunteering in recent years, what the hell does he actually live off? USA is no place for the destitute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,015 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Wondering what he put down on his green card application form.

    Don't you have to disclose to US immigration if you've been charged with a serious offence?

    If he lied to US immigration and they can be arsed, then his feet won't touch the ground on his way back here

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭Robert McGrath


    Wondering what he put down on his green card application form.

    Don't you have to disclose to US immigration if you've been charged with a serious offence?

    If he lied to US immigration and they can be arsed, then his feet won't touch the ground on his way back here

    Charged or convicted?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,824 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Wondering what he put down on his green card application form.

    Don't you have to disclose to US immigration if you've been charged with a serious offence?

    If he lied to US immigration and they can be arsed, then his feet won't touch the ground on his way back here

    https://www.otbsports.com/other-sports/olympian-gary-otoole-on-george-gibney-he-snuck-into-my-bedroom-242040

    Irvin Muchnik had some limited success checking the paperwork around the Green Card application


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,824 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Did anyone listen to the bonus Q&A episode? Looks like you have to download the BBC app to access this. Is it worth it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭punchdrunk


    Menelaun wrote: »
    His story of him turning up at the pool and never seen no him again is so fishy.

    I bet he knows John Gibney quite well.

    Mullins was a tool, got thrown off the board of swim Ireland over what he said on the podcast

    Yes, sounded like a pack of lies to me!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭generalgerry


    punchdrunk wrote: »
    100% Banks’ “I don’t remember but I may have writen the letter” is horse****!

    I did find that odd as well. Surely at the time, if he had written the letter vouching for Gibney, a cold pulse would have gone through his body when he heard of the allegations against Gibney. The sort of thing that would keep you sleepless at night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    If he's been mostly volunteering in recent years, what the hell does he actually live off? USA is no place for the destitute.

    And certainly not Florida.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭generalgerry


    punchdrunk wrote: »
    I’ve read 18 new victims have come forward, you have to give them the credit for that.

    I was very critical of the podcast at the start for the whole Miami Vica car chase nonsense that they went on with. But at the end of the day, they did the State some service. And hopefully the podcast will lead to some sort of action being taken against George Gibney.


  • Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Larsso30


    Creol1 wrote: »
    And certainly not Florida.

    Wondered exact same thing all way through, where is his money coming from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    Larsso30 wrote: »
    Wondered exact same thing all way through, where is his money coming from?

    Not really sure where the above confusion about his money is coming from.

    They were saying throughout he was working in all the places he lived and they followed him to some place in florida where they suspected he worked too.

    Mentioned many times he lives with another man. Most likely some sort of sexual partner relationship and that person could be loaded. They didn't explore that much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,824 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Beersmith wrote: »
    Not really sure where the above confusion about his money is coming from.

    They were saying throughout he was working in all the places he lived and they followed him to some place in florida where they suspected he worked too.

    Mentioned many times he lives with another man. Most likely some sort of sexual partner relationship and that person could be loaded. They didn't explore that much.

    They said he was volunteering at the last workplace, the hospice.

    It could indeed be living off the partner, but even that would e a bit unusual in itself.

    Anyway, just in case you run into the bloke out and about;

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/where-is-george-gibney-podcast-releases-new-photograph-1.4469271

    image.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Running Balance


    The production and approach taken re Florida is not to everyone s liking but I'm not sure how else you go about making a project like this.

    It seems that the first thing they did was go find/follow gibney around before interviewing the victims.

    Which I guess makes sense??

    They seem to use the Florida audio chase material as audiobeds to break up each episode to go from victim to victim or to interviewee.

    I think they have done a good service just to highlight how fcuked up the state and gibneys friends were to help him. It's a harrowing podcast and as a parent makes me to just want to hug my kids.

    Hopefully it will lead to some closure (as much as possible) for the victims - their bravery is amazing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭deekster


    I'd say the news today* concerning Trent Reznor is going down well over at SC Towers.

    *(innocent until proven guilty, etc)...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭punchdrunk


    deekster wrote: »
    I'd say the news today* concerning Trent Reznor is going down well over at SC Towers.

    *(innocent until proven guilty, etc)

    what's the relevance?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭punchdrunk


    punchdrunk wrote: »
    what's the relevance?

    Do you mean Aaron Dessner? Not Trent Reznor?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,938 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    What was the reason actually reason he got away with it on trail ?

    Was it just to much time had passed ?

    Was there someone in the judicial system who had his back ? if so that person who made that call needs to be named and questioned ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,566 ✭✭✭✭BPKS


    What was the reason actually reason he got away with it on trail ?

    Was it just to much time had passed ?

    Was there someone in the judicial system who had his back ? if so that person who made that call needs to be named and questioned ,

    Am it was detailed in the early episodes of the podcast if you listened?

    Theres a link from another post dated 12/09/2020 earlier in this thread if you don't want to bother listening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,938 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    BPKS wrote: »
    Am it was detailed in the early episodes of the podcast if you listened?

    Theres a link from another post dated 12/09/2020 earlier in this thread if you don't want to bother listening.

    Cheers mate,
    I listened its just that episode was so long ago now ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭punchdrunk


    it was alleged that too long of a time had passed (not sure we actually had official statute of limitations guidelines in law at the time)
    the judge agreed with the defense in this regard and dismissed the case


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    punchdrunk wrote: »
    it was alleged that too long of a time had passed (not sure we actually had official statute of limitations guidelines in law at the time)
    the judge agreed with the defense in this regard and dismissed the case

    That's right. The complaints weren't excluded by any statute of limitations. The argument was that the lapse of time combined with the allegedly imprecise nature of the allegations meant Gibney wouldn't be able to mount a proper defence. The DPP could have appealed the judgment but didn't.

    The courts changed their attitude to historic offending once they were forced to deal with all the historic sex abuse allegations that came to light later in the 1990s and there have been many convictions where the time lapse has actually been significantly greater than was the case for Gibney. He wouldn't have got off today so that's why it's interesting that the Gardaí are looking at new allegations which could potentially be prosecuted afresh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,421 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Creol1 wrote: »
    That's right. The complaints weren't excluded by any statute of limitations. The argument was that the lapse of time combined with the allegedly imprecise nature of the allegations meant Gibney wouldn't be able to mount a proper defence. The DPP could have appealed the judgment but didn't.

    The courts changed their attitude to historic offending once they were forced to deal with all the historic sex abuse allegations that came to light later in the 1990s and there have been many convictions where the time lapse has actually been significantly greater than was the case for Gibney. He wouldn't have got off today so that's why it's interesting that the Gardaí are looking at new allegations which could potentially be prosecuted afresh.

    Yes, it was just slightly before a rush of similar historic abuse cases coming before the courts.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,015 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Love to know how those who got Gibney off can sleep at night

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 517 ✭✭✭benji79


    Trish Kearney who told her story on podcast will be on Late Late Show tonight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,968 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Bring him home.


  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Was the episode where they confronted him (before the break) really as bad as people said? I stopped at that one as it was destroyed here and I didn’t want the experience of the whole thing ruined by that. Never went back to it after but was thinking I might.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭Beersmith


    Was the episode where they confronted him (before the break) really as bad as people said? I stopped at that one as it was destroyed here and I didn’t want the experience of the whole thing ruined by that. Never went back to it after but was thinking I might.

    The better episodes were at the end.

    They tried to play the "hot on his trail" angle, but it was never really that type of pod which is why I think it annoyed a few of us.

    The latter half of the series is just more survivors coming forward and mark interviewing them really. So it becomes just an outlet for them to be heard,which is worth a listen. This is what it should have been sold as at the start really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 517 ✭✭✭benji79


    benji79 wrote: »
    Trish Kearney who told her story on podcast will be on Late Late Show tonight

    She spoke very well. I’d certainly like to read her book


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭generalgerry


    Beersmith wrote: »
    The better episodes were at the end. They tried to play the "hot on his trail" angle, but it was never really that type of pod which is why I think it annoyed a few of us. The latter half of the series is just more survivors coming forward and mark interviewing them really. So it becomes just an outlet for them to be heard,which is worth a listen. This is what it should have been sold as at the start really.

    Yeah that sums it up for me as well. It seemed like the Miami Vice part of it was what they needed to sell it to the BBC, but the bread and butter of the story (i.e. the victim's stories) was very well done. And they certainly did the state some service. Hopefully this will lead to something tangible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,421 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,092 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,576 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    I see he's still getting things fundamentally wrong about the legal proceedings that led to his trial being prohibited in the 1990s. The Supreme Court never made an order prohibiting the trial. That court held that Gibney could seek to leave to bring judicial review proceedings in the High Court. The test for leave to bring judicial review proceedings that stemmed from that case (G v. DPP [1994] 1 IR 374) remains good law is cited pretty much every week in the High Court so can hardly be regarded as "controversial". That was also a judgment of then Chief Justice Finlay, not Denham as Muchnik and Broadsheet like to imply conspiratorially.


    He then went back to the High Court, which granted an order prohibiting his trial.



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