Where Is George Gibney?

generalgerry

First proper episode of it dropped this morning. Just listened to it. Pretty good so far.

dastardly00

Yup I enjoyed it. Looking forward to next week's episode already

Beersmith

Good start. Wish it wasn't week by week though.

BPKS

Good start - pity it wasn't hour long episodes though.

Although given the nature of the content, its probably better in the 30 minute format.

KaneToad

generalgerry wrote: »

First proper episode of it dropped this morning. Just listened to it. Pretty good so far.

I thought I already listened to this a few weeks ago?? Must have been something else ..

dastardly00

KaneToad wrote: »

I thought I already listened to this a few weeks ago?? Must have been something else ..

The trailer has been played a good bit on Second Captains so maybe you heard that?

DH2K9

Yeah, I should have waited until they all came out before I started listening. Now I'm going to have to tune in every week!

Brilliant first episode.

Was excellent. I know nothing of the story only the vague who he was/what he did so I'm looking forward to hearing it all unfold.

yosser hughes

Review here by a journalist who has written about this for many years

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/08/27/gibney-didnt-vanish

padd b1975

yosser hughes wrote: »

Review here by a journalist who has written about this for many years

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2020/08/27/gibney-didnt-vanish

Talk about sticking the knife in!!

Brock Turnpike

Enjoyed it overall. Slightly slow start but once Chalkie started telling his story it really grasped me.

finglashoop

Did they say how many episodes?

I might hold off til its finished and listen to them together

generalgerry

Jesus that review is a bit harsh after only one episode! He is certainly right there is nothing new about the first episode, I have heard Gary O'Toole tell almost the exact same story to OTB a while back. But if it's one of ten, could you not at least let him lay out the background for international listeners in the first episode before criticizing him?

"Sources in Florida tell me that Horgan and company botched their Gibney stakeout."

If it's true that Horgan did make a botch out of the stakeout and then simply faked the "car chase" then he deserves to be called on it for sure. And tbh, the subject is far too serious to be getting up to that sort of oul b0ll0x if that is in fact what happened. I think Horgan should address this.

What is with the "theme tune" though. Like you little brother messing with a 1980s Casio keyboard.

sheroman01

generalgerry wrote: »

What is with the "theme tune" though. Like you little brother messing with a 1980s Casio keyboard.

I love it - almost an underwater sound to it, blended with nursery rhyme vibes - it's very fitting for the show. It was also specially written and composed for the show by Aaron Dessner of The National.

Beersmith

sheroman01 wrote: »

I love it - almost an underwater sound to it, blended with nursery rhyme vibes - it's very fitting for the show. It was also specially written and composed for the show by Aaron Dessner of The National.

Don't see the point in theme tunes for podcasts. I understand in visual media to have people's names come up but its just a waste of time in pods

generalgerry

Talk with the producers of the podcast on with Brendan O'Connor on the 12.30-13-00PM part of the show. The last half hour I mean.

Aidric

sheroman01 wrote: »

I love it - almost an underwater sound to it, blended with nursery rhyme vibes - it's very fitting for the show. It was also specially written and composed for the show by Aaron Dessner of The National.

Agreed. Had a very melancholic feel to it and was a perfect fit.

dr.kenneth noisewater

generalgerry wrote:

Talk with the producers of the podcast on with Brendan O'Connor on the 12.30-13-00PM part of the show. The last half hour I mean.

Worth a listen or just a promotional piece?

dr.kenneth noisewater

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Worth a listen or just a promotional piece?

they didn't answer anything asked that was going to be in future episodes so not a lot there!

Spanish Eyes

Sounds good. But will hold off until there are a few episodes and binge them. Hate waiting for the next one. That is the one thing about these podcasts that drives me mad, but hey, they have lives too I suppose.

I do build up the podcasts for a binge lol..

AndrewJRenko

glasso wrote: »

they didn't answer anything asked that was going to be in future episodes so not a lot there!

I got the feeling they were holding back and didn't want to let the cat out of the bag with Brendan.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I got the feeling they were holding back and didn't want to let the cat out of the bag with Brendan.

I would have said that it was very obvious - more than a feeling!

They went on to drum up more listeners for the podcast - not tell the story

BPKS

2nd episode was a tough listen.

Horrible to think what that man got away with.

Still Ill

Yeah, that was pretty hard hitting alright. Can't say it's an enjoyable listen, but worth listening to all the same.

generalgerry

It really is ridiculous that he got away with this for so long. The two poor girls being abused every day for years and years. I can't imagine the guilt that the parents must feel, but how were they to know when everybody was fawning all over George Gibney.

TRANQUILLO

Aidric wrote: »

Agreed. Had a very melancholic feel to it and was a perfect fit.

Serial esque.


Love the national. Have seen them 22 times!

JuanJose

As others have said, can't call it an enjoyable listen but it's enthralling thus far, probably as much for the fact that he's still free as for anything else. 2nd episode was a definite step up on the 1st.

I may be in the minority here, I'm enjoying the weekly drop of a podcast. It allows you to absorb the content & mull over it rather than gorging on the whole thing rapidly. Although if the production is to consist of 10 episodes of 30 minute duration, they could've condensed them a bit and ramp each episode up to 45 minutes perhaps.

padd b1975

Really enjoyable so far.

Gary O' Toole is such a great speaker and a really decent guy.

Still Ill

One particular moment in the second episode made my stomach drop... Such a disgusting story.

TRANQUILLO

I don't mean this in a prurient way, but more than one person so far has accused him of almost daily abuse. The ****er was prolific. How did he not get caught. He was at it the whole time

JuanJose

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

The ****er was prolific. How did he not get caught. He was at it the whole time

Episode 3 sheds some light on that question.
The culture of the time had a lot to do with it. Church & state figures were treated with such exorbitant reverence when you look back now. Off the scale really. I was a Dublin school-leaver in 1993, had no interest in swimming but I knew who George Gibney was (and this was before the charges) so I can only imagine his demi-god like status in swimming circles.
Episode 3 also hints at who he might've had in his corner when the heat came on.

Mad, bad stuff.

TRANQUILLO

This podcast is listenable but not as good as it thinks it is or pretends to be.

BPKS

Good episode today.

I'd have a few question marks about the assistant coach who posted bail. The description of the phone calls Gibney used to take by the swimming pool along with the allocations being made didn't ring alarm bells for him? Hmmmmm.

Also I would love to know which barristers/legal firm represented him. I wonder are they able to sleep well at night.

Still Ill

BPKS wrote: »

Good episode today.

I'd have a few question marks about the assistant coach who posted bail. The description of the phone calls Gibney used to take by the swimming pool along with the allocations being made didn't ring alarm bells for him? Hmmmmm.

Also I would love to know which barristers/legal firm represented him. I wonder are they able to sleep well at night.

I thought the phone calls came before the allegations and it was just something that he recalled afterwards? I didn't get the significance of the phone calls myself though? Anyone know what they were supposed to be, or just something weird?

duffman13

I'm enjoying it for the most part! The constant withholding small bits of info like names etc is a bit annoying though. Like Gary, I was friends with this swimmer girl, I sent this swimmer girl messages, I sent a letter to a girl etc. Then that girl is xxxx

Other than that its interesting

John_Rambo

Haven't had a chance to listen to todays one, but just to echo peoples admiration for Gary O'Toole, he was only 21 when he set out on this hunt. Brave young man.

allybhoy

Enjoying it so far, but if i had one criticism is that it the editing or direction\narrative seems a bit off to me going by the first two episodes. Hard to explain but there isnt enough like introduction or scene setting done beforehand. You just have to kind of guess whats happening, Like the part where they are driving to celbridge, they dont explain where or why they are going there, until they actually get there. Could be due to time contstraints but just wish they would slow it down a small bit and give a bit of context.

dastardly00

allybhoy wrote: »

Enjoying it so far, but if i had one criticism is that it the editing or direction\narrative seems a bit off to me going by the first two episodes. Hard to explain but there isnt enough like introduction or scene setting done beforehand. You just have to kind of guess whats happening, Like the part where they are driving to celbridge, they dont explain where or why they are going there, until they actually get there. Could be due to time contstraints but just wish they would slow it down a small bit and give a bit of context.

I have the feeling that it's meant to be like that.

sheroman01

sheroman01 wrote: »

I love it - almost an underwater sound to it, blended with nursery rhyme vibes - it's very fitting for the show. It was also specially written and composed for the show by Aaron Dessner of The National.

yes - very good tune

has a watery feel to it and evokes vibes of childhood and innocence - taken away by this selfish depraved pedo.

sounds of the period also.

so it is indeed very apt

Raoul

Still Ill wrote: »

I thought the phone calls came before the allegations and it was just something that he recalled afterwards? I didn't get the significance of the phone calls myself though? Anyone know what they were supposed to be, or just something weird?

Yeah, I didn't really get who you were meant to think was on the other side of the call or what they were about.

Raoul

Raoul wrote: »

Yeah, I didn't really get who you were meant to think was on the other side of the call or what they were about.

yes - a real red herring unless they are going to come back to that later and are not revealing it now to string you along....

Arghus

I'm holding off on this until there's a few more episodes to listen too.

Though the fact that the Second Captains guys talk about it at least once in every single episode is beginning to put me off the whole thing

Spanish Eyes

How the heck has GG never been arrested, charged or incarcerated.

I suppose he turned into a normal person on his arrival in Florida.

I am saving up the episodes for a binge listen, so forgive me if I am speaking out of turn here.

padd b1975

Raoul wrote: »

Yeah, I didn't really get who you were meant to think was on the other side of the call or what they were about.

Derry O' Rourke I presume.

Birds of a feather etc etc

Still Ill

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

How the heck has GG never been arrested, charged or incarcerated.

I suppose he turned into a normal person on his arrival in Florida.

I am saving up the episodes for a binge listen, so forgive me if I am speaking out of turn here.

He was arrested and charged.

DeepBlue

BPKS wrote: »

Also I would love to know which barristers/legal firm represented him. I wonder are they able to sleep well at night.

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/04/29/the-chief-justice-her-brother-and-how-george-gibney-got-away/

It would appear his legal team set a precedent that not only allowed him to escape justice but also gave other abusers a get-out-of-jail free card. :eek:

padd b1975

DeepBlue wrote: »

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/04/29/the-chief-justice-her-brother-and-how-george-gibney-got-away/

It would appear his legal team set a precedent that not only allowed him to escape justice but also gave other abusers a get-out-of-jail free card. :eek:

Lawyers gonna lawyer.

dr.kenneth noisewater

Definitely the best episode and the toughest to listen to today. That Frank McCann was some piece of work

wheres me jumpa

Started over lunch today, the binge is kicking in, feels like it is going to a story well told even if the content is pretty grim.

John_Rambo

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Definitely the best episode and the toughest to listen to today. That Frank McCann was some piece of work

He was some piece of work. Between him, Gibney, O'Rourke, Doyle and Bennett there was a right life destroying racket going on.

If anyone's interested in victim bravery against all odds read up on Kyle Stephens and her life long fight with her abuser Larry Nasser who groomed her parents and the parents of scores of children.

applehunter

RTE already did this podcast.

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/whistleblowers/

Didn't drag it out either.