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Christmas Racing: Leopardstown, Kempton, Chepstow

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    #332
    Joe_ Public
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    Kauto wrote: »
    Patrick gave Melon an absolute shocker. Id be surprised if he didn't get a box in the face from Willie. He was the main cause of the Mullins camp not winning the race. Crazy ride.

    Fair enough, blaming patrick for melon not winning or whatever is a legitimate debating point, but blaming him for kemboy not winning just seems like ott hypercriticism to me. It's not team tactics there as far as i know anyway.

    Personally i thought patrick rode a brave, imaginative race, though many will no doubt disagree. Horse was keen, as ever, tanking along so he let it stride on, rode it like a stayer and he stayed, just came up short as he tends to do. Nothing new there. Maybe lost it at second last where he didn't see a stride, i wouldn't hammer jockey for that anyway. Even davy said before that jump he thought he had the race nearly won. Not sure he'd have won even with a good jump there, but it does show the margins between a great ride and a "shocker" can be pretty fine sometimes.

    Anyway, i think it shows the horse is a stayer though where he'd fit into the current pecking order is tricky to gauge. I think a king george on decent ground would be a good fit for one.


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    #333
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    I think the really good horses always cover up jockey errors and bad decisions.

    A Plus Tard looks to be a genuine stayer - albeit on soft/heavy ground. In fairness he has taken a few names now - Chacun Por Soi, Kemboy , Mellon , only just beaten by Min in last years Ryanair.

    I think if you don't get 3 miles at Leopardstown you can't get 3m2 1/2f's at the festival. Given that the same owners are going for the treble I can only see Mellon going Ryanair, where he would have a lovely chance.


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    #334
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Coneygree wrote: »
    Yeah, I know it's not their real job and only a top up to the wages but jockey's columns are often as dull as dishwater.

    My point exactly, it is nice to see him speaking his mind. Most of those columns are pure ghostwritten muck.


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    #335
    Pogue eile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Fair enough, blaming patrick for melon not winning or whatever is a legitimate debating point, but blaming him for kemboy not winning just seems like ott hypercriticism to me. It's not team tactics there as far as i know anyway.

    Personally i thought patrick rode a brave, imaginative race, though many will no doubt disagree. Horse was keen, as ever, tanking along so he let it stride on, rode it like a stayer and he stayed, just came up short as he tends to do. Nothing new there. Maybe lost it at second last where he didn't see a stride, i wouldn't hammer jockey for that anyway. Even davy said before that jump he thought he had the race nearly won. Not sure he'd have won even with a good jump there, but it does show the margins between a great ride and a "shocker" can be pretty fine sometimes.

    Anyway, i think it shows the horse is a stayer though where he'd fit into the current pecking order is tricky to gauge. I think a king george on decent ground would be a good fit for one.

    I would certainly agree with the bolded part anyway. And I think most of the time the thin margin between a great ride and a shocker is the critiques pocket!


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    #336
    RivetingRoger
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    Gordon at home with Covid
    His horses reported to be coughing and pulled from Limerick today

    Explains a lot
    Knew Abacadabras, Percy and Ballyadam were too bad to be true
    That yard not operating at full tilt at all


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    #337
    Anniepowaa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 126 ✭✭Anniepowaa


    RivetingRoger wrote: »
    Gordon at home with Covid
    His horses reported to be coughing and pulled from Limerick today

    Explains a lot
    Knew Abacadabras, Percy and Ballyadam were too bad to be true
    That yard not operating at full tilt at all
    and what does having covid got to do with his horses running


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    #338
    costacorta
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    Anniepowaa wrote: »
    and what does having covid got to do with his horses running

    Maybe they were close contacts ðŸ˜႒


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    #339
    Anniepowaa
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    costacorta wrote: »
    Maybe they were close contacts ðŸ˜႒

    Absolute straw clutching just because Abacadabras bang average


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    #340
    Pogue eile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Only catching up with this thread/forum now and I'm not sure if it is good or bad news for you but I have done the exact same bet :D

    My best bet over the Christmas period is Secret Reprieve in the Welsh National, got 10s two weeks ago, best price 7/2 now but still juice in that, horse is officially 8lbs well in and I think he is value for a few more.

    I'm also told that Ha D'or is very highly thought of by those in the know at Closutton, is currently available at 50s for the Triumph and is expected to run in Leopardstown.

    Worth the wait!!


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    #341
    Dr. Bre
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    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Worth the wait!!

    Will He win the aintree national ?


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    #342
    Pogue eile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Will He win the aintree national ?

    Be very interesting to see what the handicapper does with him, as I said I thought the 12lbs rise was lenient and he is almost certainly still on the upgrade, has only raced 9 times in total.

    He won the trial off 130, won today off 142 and imo was worth more than the winning margin, if he gets raised to 150 he would have a lovely racing weight of just over 10st.

    25/1 seems fair, I will wait and see what the handicapper does first.

    I do have another one in mind for the national who finished down the field in todays race, just have no idea if the national is his target or not.


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    #343
    Shemale
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    He won it snugly in the end, considering his girth snapped I think before 2 out, he certainly had the snapped girth going over the last.


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    #344
    IAMAMORON
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    He doesn't stand a chance against Discorama.

    It will be interesting to see what mark he gets now.

    Is The Conditional entered in Aintree?


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    #345
    Pogue eile
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    He doesn't stand a chance against Discorama.

    It will be interesting to see what mark he gets now.

    Is The Conditional entered in Aintree?

    Entries not open yet.

    Problem with Discorama is that he keeps running well without actually winning so not sure he is very well handicapped, an interesting one though for sure if it was confirmed as a target.

    The one I was refferirng to above that I quite like is Lord Du Mesnil.


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    #346
    The Mig
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    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Entries not open yet.

    Problem with Discorama is that he keeps running well without actually winning so not sure he is very well handicapped, an interesting one though for sure if it was confirmed as a target.

    The one I was refferirng to above that I quite like is Lord Du Mesnil.

    Lord Du Mesnil overheated again on Saturday in the welsh national and trainer also said the ground wasn’t as heavy as he wanted it. He’s not exactly a plot job for the big one in April unless it’s bottomless!

    https://twitter.com/RHBloodstock/status/1348006628285673472?s=20


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    #347
    Pogue eile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    Cheers, was holding off until there was some indication that Aintree was the plan.

    Back to the drawing board for now, but mindful that 90% of what comes out of Trainers mouths is scutter!


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    #348
    Pogue eile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Will He win the aintree national ?
    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Be very interesting to see what the handicapper does with him, as I said I thought the 12lbs rise was lenient and he is almost certainly still on the upgrade, has only raced 9 times in total.

    He won the trial off 130, won today off 142 and imo was worth more than the winning margin, if he gets raised to 150 he would have a lovely racing weight of just over 10st.

    25/1 seems fair, I will wait and see what the handicapper does first.

    I do have another one in mind for the national who finished down the field in todays race, just have no idea if the national is his target or not.

    Incredibly the handicapper has only put him up to 144, I have him at least 6lbs higher with a P beside it. My first reaction was brilliant now where is that 25/1 but now that I am thinking about it, will he get in off 144? Should do but not guaranteed.


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