Summer 2020 - General Discussion

Gaoth Laidir · 04-06-2020 1:17pm

Farmer2017 wrote: »

I understand people looking for the nice settled weather back but it is of grave concern of farmers and horticulturist to have rain back for a while. There is a serious drought taking hold that has the potential to be worse than 2018. I know it doesn’t bother a lot of ye But imagine your yearly income been determined by the weather and waking up every morning to look across at crops failing or animals hungry due to want to a bit rain. It a serious situation out there and I would like to highlight that to ye.

Too much rain is equally a problem for farming. There's a narrow sweet spot when it comes to this industry and it is a tough life, but just remember that it makes not one bit of difference what weather someone on an online forum wishes for, it's not going to change what weather we get in the end. The tourism industry will be looking for the opposite to you this year as many areas look for staycation business and don't want a washout. There are lots of competing heads trying to drink from the weather trough [/pun] but none has any influence on how much of a drink they will get.

Gaoth Laidir · 04-06-2020 1:21pm

I see Met Éireann are back to launching 4 weather balloons per day from Valentia instead of the previous 2 (12Z & 00Z) they reduced it to several years ago. I hope it continues.

https://www.met.ie/latest-reports/valentia-tephigram

Gonzo · 04-06-2020 1:21pm

Farmer2017 wrote: »

I understand people looking for the nice settled weather back but it is of grave concern of farmers and horticulturist to have rain back for a while. There is a serious drought taking hold that has the potential to be worse than 2018. I know it doesn’t bother a lot of ye But imagine your yearly income been determined by the weather and waking up every morning to look across at crops failing or animals hungry due to want to a bit rain. It a serious situation out there and I would like to highlight that to ye.

The real issue is not the lack of rain but the lack of planning. Between local authorities and the farmers themselves, they do nothing to conserve water in order to have it at the ready when they need it the most in times like this. Other countries do a fairly decent job of conserving water but we don't do any of it here. Every 2 to 3 years we get a fairly lengthy dry spell and we have this problem every time. We live in the wettest country in Europe and receive enough rain throughout the year to have a perfect supply of water all the year around, if it was conserved. Thankfully it doesn't rain continuously for 12 months of the year every year, but for the few dry months we do get a bit of planning, forward thinking and water conservation would go along way!

Gaoth Laidir · 04-06-2020 1:34pm

Gonzo wrote: »

The real issue is not the lack of rain but the lack of planning. Between local authorities and the farmers themselves, they do nothing to conserve water in order to have it at the ready when they need it the most in times like this. Other countries do a fairly decent job of conserving water but we don't do any of it here. Every 2 to 3 years we get a fairly lengthy dry spell and we have this problem every time. We live in the wettest country in Europe and receive enough rain throughout the year to have a perfect supply of water all the year around, if it was conserved. Thankfully it doesn't rain continuously for 12 months of the year every year, but for the few dry months we do get a bit of planning, forward thinking and water conservation would go along way!

Yes, places in the Med, such as Sardinia, never have a shortage of water despite going from May-September or October without any appreciable rain. Every evening in the summer I drive by massive crop fields with huge spanning overhead irrigation systems on wheels lashing out water by the tonne. The total annual rainfall there is around 500-650 mm, mostly in winter, but they have something like 30 lakes on the island, only one of which is natural. Everything is conserved and not a drop goes to waste.

Obviously they're better geared for this as this is their climate, but farmers here could do better if it's such a bad problem.

highdef · 04-06-2020 1:35pm

Gonzo wrote: »

We live in the wettest country in Europe

I don't think is true. The UK and Norway are wetter. I would imagine Austria and Switzerland are wetter too. Probably a few others that are wetter.

US2 · 04-06-2020 1:41pm

highdef wrote: »

I don't think is true. The UK and Norway are wetter. I would imagine Austria and Switzerland are wetter too. Probably a few others that are wetter.

In mm terms probably but I'm sure Ireland has more days with rain than those places

Farmer2017 · 04-06-2020 1:48pm

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Yes, places in the Med, such as Sardinia, never have a shortage of water despite going from May-September or October without any appreciable rain. Every evening in the summer I drive by massive crop fields with huge spanning overhead irrigation systems on wheels lashing out water by the tonne. The total annual rainfall there is around 500-650 mm, mostly in winter, but they have something like 30 lakes on the island, only one of which is natural. Everything is conserved and not a drop goes to waste.

Obviously they're better geared for this as this is their climate, but farmers here could do better if it's such a bad problem.

If Ireland did that the goodie goods be shouting that farmers are polluting the waterways. Farmers can’t win in this country. I love the way people tell how others should do there job when in reality they haven’t a clue what there talking about. But everyday ye thank a farmer 3 times for putting food on your table. Sad reality s this country needs rain for the survival of it crops. Good weather is welcome but not for prolonged periods. It cost massive massive investment to conserve water at a local authority level and will the tax payer be willing to pay for it ?????? ....................No they won’t. So the next time your sitting out in your garden think about the countryside and wildlife suffering from lack of water. A balance weather is what needed but it either too wet r too dry.

Thelonious Monk · 04-06-2020 1:52pm

Gonzo wrote: »

The real issue is not the lack of rain but the lack of planning. Between local authorities and the farmers themselves, they do nothing to conserve water in order to have it at the ready when they need it the most in times like this. Other countries do a fairly decent job of conserving water but we don't do any of it here. Every 2 to 3 years we get a fairly lengthy dry spell and we have this problem every time. We live in the wettest country in Europe and receive enough rain throughout the year to have a perfect supply of water all the year around, if it was conserved. Thankfully it doesn't rain continuously for 12 months of the year every year, but for the few dry months we do get a bit of planning, forward thinking and water conservation would go along way!

Exactly. Where my parents live in Spain it very rarely rains, but they conserve all of it. My Dad says he's never heard of a drought down there.
With the climate changing farmers should be investing in ways to conserve water, given that beef and dairy are up there with the most water intensive foods there are and that's all we really produce here.

Thelonious Monk · 04-06-2020 1:54pm

Farmer2017 wrote: »

If Ireland did that the goodie goods be shouting that farmers are polluting the waterways. Farmers can’t win in this country. I love the way people tell how others should do there job when in reality they haven’t a clue what there talking about. But everyday ye thank a farmer 3 times for putting food on your table. Sad reality s this country needs rain for the survival of it crops. Good weather is welcome but not for prolonged periods. It cost massive massive investment to conserve water at a local authority level and will the tax payer be willing to pay for it ?????? ....................No they won’t. So the next time your sitting out in your garden think about the countryside and wildlife suffering from lack of water. A balance weather is what needed but it either too wet r too dry.

You're already polluting the waterways. And wildlife in Ireland mostly suffers from farmers not lack of water. Agriculture is the biggest polluter of waterways in Ireland, oh and not all of us eat beef so you're not putting food on my table.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/farming-pollution-sees-water-quality-in-ireland-deteriorate-1.3715715

Farmer2017 · 04-06-2020 1:57pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You're already polluting the waterways. And wildlife in Ireland mostly suffers from farmers not lack of water. Agriculture is the biggest polluter of waterways in Ireland, oh and not all of us beef so you're not putting food on my table.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/farming-pollution-sees-water-quality-in-ireland-deteriorate-1.3715715

Wrong you are. What about all the raw sewage been let out of into the Irish Sea by the local authorities.

Gaoth Laidir · 04-06-2020 2:02pm

Farmer2017 wrote: »

If Ireland did that the goodie goods be shouting that farmers are polluting the waterways. Farmers can’t win in this country. I love the way people tell how others should do there job when in reality they haven’t a clue what there talking about. But everyday ye thank a farmer 3 times for putting food on your table. Sad reality s this country needs rain for the survival of it crops. Good weather is welcome but not for prolonged periods. It cost massive massive investment to conserve water at a local authority level and will the tax payer be willing to pay for it ?????? ....................No they won’t. So the next time your sitting out in your garden think about the countryside and wildlife suffering from lack of water. A balance weather is what needed but it either too wet r too dry.

No point having a go at us here. Years ago I worked for my neighbour who built his own resevoir and collected all the rainwater that collected on his glasshouse roofs. He used this water to irrigate the glasshouses (1 acre) throughout the year. He also dug a well that he used in weather such as this to fill the tractor sprayer with water and we used a hose off it to water acres of iceberg, chinese leaves, cabbage, etc. out in the fields plant by plant.

This didn't cost him a fortune. Saved him a fortune, actually.

Clonmel1000 · 04-06-2020 2:10pm

Nobody enjoyed the recent weather as much as I did but you have to call it for what it is today miserable and the forecast looks even worse. The danger of course is that we revert to type now with the weather pattern and the next 2 months bring nothing but the gloom and overcast conditions and people on here defending 16 degrees and cloudy as something good.

US2 · 04-06-2020 2:11pm

Farmer2017 wrote: »

If Ireland did that the goodie goods be shouting that farmers are polluting the waterways. Farmers can’t win in this country. I love the way people tell how others should do there job when in reality they haven’t a clue what there talking about. But everyday ye thank a farmer 3 times for putting food on your table. Sad reality s this country needs rain for the survival of it crops. Good weather is welcome but not for prolonged periods. It cost massive massive investment to conserve water at a local authority level and will the tax payer be willing to pay for it ?????? ....................No they won’t. So the next time your sitting out in your garden think about the countryside and wildlife suffering from lack of water. A balance weather is what needed but it either too wet r too dry.

Why should the taxpayer pay for it? Majority of farmers produce is consumed outside of Ireland isnt it.

Gonzo · 04-06-2020 2:17pm

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Nobody enjoyed the recent weather as much as I did but you have to call it for what it is today miserable and the forecast looks even worse..

I definitely enjoyed the good weather as much as you did and yep today is not nice at all. Drizzly muck showers here for the past hour, luckily I did my walk this morning before the rain arrived. Things will deteriorate further over the next 3 days but we should see a half decent improvement for next week. I am fairly certain this first half of June will be fairly forgettable and hard to take after 3 glorious months, but I'm still hopefull we will see a significant improvement towards the end of June and into July. Considering the wonderful Spring we had, if we even manage a decent July we will be ahead of ourselves. Wishing for a decent August is a bit more of a dream but miracles can happen, hopefully this is the year for August to shine!

Slashermcguirk · 04-06-2020 2:52pm

US2 wrote: »

In mm terms probably but I'm sure Ireland has more days with rain than those places

Scotland is way wetter than Ireland. It’s unbearable the weather over there. It literally never stops raining from my experience over there. I also have a friend that moved from Glasgow to Dublin and he said the weather in Dublin is infinitely better!

Wales and the northern half of England also have awful weather.

Thelonious Monk · 04-06-2020 3:06pm

Slashermcguirk wrote: »

Scotland is way wetter than Ireland. It’s unbearable the weather over there. It literally never stops raining from my experience over there. I also have a friend that moved from Glasgow to Dublin and he said the weather in Dublin is infinitely better!

Wales and the northern half of England also have awful weather.

I spent a year in Edinburgh and it barely rained at all, but I believe Glasgow, even though it's only an hour away, is far wetter

pad199207 · 04-06-2020 3:42pm

Heavy Rain Shower here in Kildare. A treat.

DellyBelly · 04-06-2020 3:50pm

Despite the change i think we can all agree that is was a great summer. Those last few weeks and especially the last week will make 2020 one to remember...

new2tri19 · 04-06-2020 3:58pm

DellyBelly wrote: »

Despite the change i think we can all agree that is was a great summer. Those last few weeks and especially the last week will make 2020 one to remember...

we are only 4 days into Summer

pauldry · 04-06-2020 4:15pm

Lots of years we have had a dry spell between late March and early June. Even remember a couple of years ago March 25th to June 4th was good.

I think this period offers optimum sunshine in Connaught

Gonzo · 04-06-2020 4:18pm

DellyBelly wrote: »

Despite the change i think we can all agree that is was a great summer. Those last few weeks and especially the last week will make 2020 one to remember...

It was an amazing Spring and indeed felt more like summer than spring. I have a feeling we are far from done with warm and settled weather, we are not even one week into Summer! There is certainly potential in the models for some warm or seriously warm days yet this month, or there may not be. This June is already proving very difficult to forecast more than a few days ahead and just about anything is possible over the next few weeks.

Thelonious Monk · 04-06-2020 4:19pm

Yeah I recall many years we've had decent Aprils and Mays with everyone getting set up for a great bbq summer only for a few months of washout to ensue. Ah it isn't even that bad out today, at least it's not that dark and isn't bucketing down, not the kind of weather that would stop you from enjoying the outdoors anyway if you wanted to go for a hike or something (which I can't do because of restrictions!).

Gonzo · 04-06-2020 4:23pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yeah I recall many years we've had decent Aprils and Mays with everyone getting set up for a great bbq summer only for a few months of washout to ensue. Ah it isn't even that bad out today, at least it's not that dark and isn't bucketing down, not the kind of weather that would stop you from enjoying the outdoors anyway if you wanted to go for a hike or something (which I can't do because of restrictions!).

Weather today isn't that bad, it is dissapointing and feels worse than it is because we have become so used to days on end of blue skies and warm temperatures. Even the cool spell at the beginning of May was rather pleasant with plenty of sunshine once we got May the 1st out of the way. We have to make it through this Saturday first and once we into Sunday afternoon, I feel we will be turning a corner and will see an improving situation overall.

endainoz · 04-06-2020 5:09pm

It's not really a topic for a weather forum to be going in about farming but there needs to be a bit more said about it I feel. The water conservation idea is a bit tricky, it's not recommended to keep water for horticulture in say an IBC tank for more than a week. Too much of a risk of e coli developing from algae forming due to stagnant water.

The whole countries water system is horrendously out of date with a huge amount of leaks. The idea they have is to pump it from the Shannon instead of fixing said leaks, a ludicrous idea imo.

A practical way to take a great amount of pressure off the system would be to have all households the chance to avail of a grant to make a rain water collection system for toilets and other non drinking water applications.

We're still not used to drought conditions in Ireland, (though I do reckon they'll be more frequent in future) but warmer places are used to using irrigation and such technology. I wouldn't really agree with that approach however. A better way would be to promote soil health overall with crop diversity and building top soil. Better soil retains water more and releases it when needed. It also builds up humus in the soil which is important for aiding carbon sequesteration.

The hope is that the new CAP reform will cover a lot of these issues.

new2tri19 · 04-06-2020 5:17pm

It certainly feels like the weather is better in May than June each year would be interesting to see statistics.

compsys · 04-06-2020 6:00pm

Gonzo wrote: »

The real issue is not the lack of rain but the lack of planning. Between local authorities and the farmers themselves, they do nothing to conserve water in order to have it at the ready when they need it the most in times like this. Other countries do a fairly decent job of conserving water but we don't do any of it here. Every 2 to 3 years we get a fairly lengthy dry spell and we have this problem every time. We live in the wettest country in Europe and receive enough rain throughout the year to have a perfect supply of water all the year around, if it was conserved. Thankfully it doesn't rain continuously for 12 months of the year every year, but for the few dry months we do get a bit of planning, forward thinking and water conservation would go along way!

Rome, New York, Sydney and Dallas all receive more rain than Dublin. Rainfall in the east, at around 700 to 800mm a year is on a par with Lisbon.

It’s different in the West. But in the east where over a million live the weather is far drier than people think.

Slashermcguirk · 04-06-2020 6:06pm

That’s mad, my sister lived in Edinburgh for 3 years and found the weather atrocious !

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I spent a year in Edinburgh and it barely rained at all, but I believe Glasgow, even though it's only an hour away, is far wetter

Donegal Storm · 04-06-2020 8:02pm

compsys wrote: »

Rome, New York, Sydney and Dallas all receive more rain than Dublin. Rainfall in the east, at around 700 to 800mm a year is on a par with Lisbon.

It’s different in the West. But in the east where over a million live the weather is far drier than people think.

In continental and Mediterranean climates a lot of the rain outside of winter is short lived thundery downpours though. In Ireland we tend to get light drizzly rain throughout the year so I would guess the actual time spent with rain falling is much higher here. Evaporation rate would also be a lot lower with the cooler and cloudier days so any rain that does fall stays in the ground for longer.

SouthWesterly · 04-06-2020 10:32pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You're already polluting the waterways. And wildlife in Ireland mostly suffers from farmers not lack of water. Agriculture is the biggest polluter of waterways in Ireland, oh and not all of us eat beef so you're not putting food on my table.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/farming-pollution-sees-water-quality-in-ireland-deteriorate-1.3715715

So you don't eat meat but how about the veg or do you import all that from far flung places?

Oscar Bravo · 04-06-2020 10:33pm

Todays rather dismal maximum temperatures

Phoenix Park 17.9 degrees
Dublin Airport 17.4
Grange 16.9
Mount Dillon 16.5

Down the very bottom Knock Airport with a cool 11.8 degrees

sryanbruen · 04-06-2020 11:10pm

That’s far better than most days last June ðŸ˜‚

Oscar Bravo · 04-06-2020 11:12pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

That’s far better than most days last June &#55357;&#56834;

Very true, I remember the June bank holiday last year. wash out and blustery to.

Gonzo · 05-06-2020 12:09am

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

Very true, I remember the June bank holiday last year. wash out and blustery to.

The first day of June last year wasn't too bad, think we got to about 19C. From the 2nd to the 17th of June it was basically 9 to 14C everyday here in Meath, several of those days were wet from dawn to dusk with rain coming down in sheets some days combined with strong north-easterly winds, it really was awful. We kept our fire going every evening all through Spring and on into the summer and didn't stop lighting it till about the 22nd of June.

The 3rd week of June looked like we were finally going to get some properly warm weather, we had a plume move up over us from the continent with +16 or +17C uppers. We got the warm uppers but the easterly wind was curtains for any warm weather here and temperatures barely rose to 18C during this plume which added insult to injury after several weeks of very cool and wet weather. Once the failed plume moved out of the way and we went into 'cooler' westerlies and temperatures actually improved into the final days of the month where we finally had high teens to low 20's. June 2019 will take some serious work to be beaten, it was a train wreck of a month.

Thelonious Monk · 05-06-2020 8:26am

SouthWesterly wrote: »

So you don't eat meat but how about the veg or do you import all that from far flung places?

Fingal isn't that far away

Farmer2017 · 05-06-2020 8:28am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Fingal isn't that far away

How do you think that grown????? It needs water also and needs it worse than grass

Thelonious Monk · 05-06-2020 9:11am

Farmer2017 wrote: »

How do you think that grown????? It needs water also and needs it worse than grass

You're not much of a farmer if you don't know it takes a lot more water and land to produce a kg of meat than it does veg.

Farmer2017 · 05-06-2020 9:12am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Fingal isn't that far away

How do you think that grown????? It needs water also and needs it worse than grass

Oscar Bravo · 05-06-2020 9:56am

A cool bright and breezy morning here in Castlebar. Dry for the moment but cloud bubbling up

compsys · 05-06-2020 11:17am

Donegal Storm wrote: »

In continental and Mediterranean climates a lot of the rain outside of winter is short lived thundery downpours though. In Ireland we tend to get light drizzly rain throughout the year so I would guess the actual time spent with rain falling is much higher here. Evaporation rate would also be a lot lower with the cooler and cloudier days so any rain that does fall stays in the ground for longer.

Of course. I'm not saying Dublin's weather is better overall than those cities. It's not imo.

But we're talking about water restrictions and access to water. In which case 700mm of rainfall is the same amount no matter where or how it falls really.

Irish people seem to think that because our 700mm/800mm is spread out over so many days that it's more than the 700mm or so that falls elsewhere in sunnier climates. It's not.

The point still stands that in terms of water falling from the sky that we can capture for drinking etc, we get far less than a lot of other cities. In Dublin at least.

Oscar Bravo · 05-06-2020 11:37am

Could get a rumble or two of thunder today. High cloud tops popping up

Gaoth Laidir · 05-06-2020 12:19pm

compsys wrote: »

Of course. I'm not saying Dublin's weather is better overall than those cities. It's not imo.

But we're talking about water restrictions and access to water. In which case 700mm of rainfall is the same amount no matter where or how it falls really.

Irish people seem to think that because our 700mm/800mm is spread out over so many days that it's more than the 700mm or so that falls elsewhere in sunnier climates. It's not.

The point still stands that in terms of water falling from the sky that we can capture for drinking etc, we get far less than a lot of other cities. In Dublin at least.

But Dublin's water supply comes from Wicklow, where total rainfall is multiples of that which falls on Co. Dublin itself. The annual Wicklow total should be enough to supply Dublin's needs but it's not because more than half of it gets lost through leaks. But in Dublin itself, an annual total of around 700 mm it means that every square metre of roofing gets 700 litres of rain falling onto it. A typical semi-detached roof could therefore yield tens of thousands of litres of collectable rain water per year, which would go some way to preserving the main reservoir stocks in spells like this.

SleetAndSnow · 05-06-2020 12:36pm

I also find it strange, and I mentioned this in the drought thread, that so much water gets flushed out into our oceans. There's a stream that runs by my house, a small stream but it goes a very long distance and ends up out at sea.

Could this not be diverted into a resovoir if needed with the flick of a switch and put through the cleaning process? There's been no rain for a while and it's still flowing strongly. Similar scenes right across the country and seems like quite a waste. Is it just that it is too much money? If that's the case then they would need to start putting money aside for such projects as this is most likely the future

Gonzo · 05-06-2020 12:58pm

looks like most areas will see showers today and tomorrow, some of them look quite heavy, a few mm of rain is possible in some areas if they manage to get a few heavy showers throughout the day while other areas will get very little if they avoid the showers. Looks very showery over much of Europe over the next 2 to 3 days.

The low pressure and cool conditions that we are experiencing is now quite widespread across Europe stretching down to northern Spain and most of the continent as far as Poland, plenty of cool and unsettled weather. The warmth is now confined to Greece and southern Spain.

Thelonious Monk · 05-06-2020 1:00pm

Bucketing down in Dublin 5 now

Farmer2017 · 05-06-2020 1:07pm

Gonzo wrote: »

looks like most areas will see showers today and tomorrow, some of them look quite heavy, a few mm of rain is possible in some areas if they manage to get a few heavy showers throughout the day while other areas will get very little if they avoid the showers. Looks very showery over much of Europe over the next 2 to 3 days.

The low pressure and cool conditions that we are experiencing is now quite widespread across Europe stretching down to northern Spain and most of the continent as far as Poland, plenty of cool and unsettled weather. The warmth is now confined to Greece and southern Spain.

Any chance of thundery showers in this upcoming warmth spell and does it look to b a prolonged spell like 2018

Gonzo · 05-06-2020 1:09pm

Farmer2017 wrote: »

Any chance of thundery showers in this upcoming warmth spell and does it look to b a prolonged spell like 2018

Not much chance of thundery showers for us over the next week but there is a chance we could turn thundery in about a week to 10 days time, that depends if we get warmth + instability from the continent. Over the course of next week we will watch how this warm spell develops and we will have a better idea of how long we get warmer weather and if things become more unstable with thunderstorms throwing into the mix. Lots of model watching over the next week. Right now it is far too early to tell how the weather will perform from mid week with any great confidence. It does appear once we get this weekend out of the way we are going to have a mostly dry week next week.

nacho libre · 05-06-2020 1:26pm

Very blustery in the heavy rain at the moment. We had escaped the showers up till now.

Gonzo · 05-06-2020 1:29pm

nacho libre wrote: »

Very blustery in the heavy rain at the moment. We had escaped the showers up till now.

we've had a few showers here in Meath already but as soon as they start they are already over. A few damp patches on the ground every now and then but they dry out very quickly. Looks to be a fairly beefy shower heading my way now, this will effect the north Kildare area over the next hour and maybe south-western parts of Dublin.

Showers look a bit more widespread than I expected today so that is probably good news for some who want there gardens watered.

edit: that big shower has mostly passed to my south already, had about 50 seconds of rain.

Gaoth Laidir · 05-06-2020 1:43pm

Gonzo wrote: »

we've had a few showers here in Meath already but as soon as they start they are already over. A few damp patches on the ground every now and then but they dry out very quickly. Looks to be a fairly beefy shower heading my way now, this will effect the north Kildare area over the next hour and maybe south-western parts of Dublin.

Showers look a bit more widespread than I expected today so that is probably good news for some who want there gardens watered.

edit: that big shower has mostly passed to my south already, had about 50 seconds of rain.

Got about 10 minutes from it here in north Kildare

Donegal Storm · 05-06-2020 1:51pm

Looking at the radar today is the first 'April showers' day we've had all year so far. Some heavy showers here in Donegal, horrible day but probably needed to top up water levels

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