Keeper league

Iang87 · 19-02-2013 2:30pm

damn you 8-10 I was just about to say I planned on winning

8-10 · 19-02-2013 5:57pm

boccy23 wrote: »

You were stacked on pitching last year AFAIR. So a good chance to go 1 better.

Another word to use might be lopsided! Got lucky once I got to the playoffs, wasn't offensive enough during the season to be consistent. Will be keeping 4 pitchers this time around as I don't have the batting quality to justify keeping more than 2 of them so still need to draft well and maybe give up an arm for a bat early on if there's a willing trade.

Looking forward to it anyway, good competitive league

Iang87 · 19-02-2013 7:31pm

alright i'm all re registered just looking at my team again I dont know who to keep already. So it begins :mad:

Coeus · 19-02-2013 11:20pm

boccy23 wrote: »

Yes. Reverse positions.

Last years finishing positions were:

10th Tolka Drakes
9th Golden Nuggets
8th Seattle Monkeys
7th K Kings
6th Hot Balls
5th Albuquerque Isotopes
4th Homers Homer
3rd Artful Dodgers
2nd Judean Peoples Front
1st Henry Le Cheat II

So draft order will be as above, i.e. Tolka 1st, Nuggets 2nd etc. etc.

It is a standard snake draft after that.

Draft order is fine by me. Have the keepers set already in case I miss the deadline. Of course things may change as spring training and WBC progress. Looking forward to it

fisgon · 09-03-2013 12:41am

I see that the draft is now set for Sunday March 24th, at 10pm. Is this now fixed? It suits me fine if it is.

smackbunnybaby · 09-03-2013 1:49pm

I'm grand as well

8-10 · 11-03-2013 10:51am

I'd prefer a weekday to be honest but that's just a preference thing, I can make the Sunday night.

Coeus · 11-03-2013 9:53pm

Draft day and time is fine with me

boccy23 · 13-03-2013 1:28pm

We'll continue with aiming at 10PM on Sunday the 24th. If there are more who wish for change, then we can look at it again.

boccy23 · 18-03-2013 11:03pm

Right lads. Keeper set has past and three teams didn't set their keepers and 1 only selected 4. We have 6 keepers. The teams with none were Albuquerque Isotopes, Seattle Seamonkeys and Hotballs. Golden Nuggets only selected 4 of.

I have set the top 6 players on each of these rosters with the additional 2 for GN based on the Yahoo rankings, nothing else.

Lads, please look at your rosters and if you don't want any of these, then PM me and I can change until Friday midnight.

smackbunnybaby · 18-03-2013 11:10pm

boccy23 wrote: »

Right lads. Keeper set has past and three teams didn't set their keepers and 1 only selected 4. We have 6 keepers. The teams with none were Albuquerque Isotopes, Seattle Seamonkeys and Hotballs. Golden Nuggets only selected 4 of.

I have set the top 6 players on each of these rosters with the additional 2 for GN based on the Yahoo rankings, nothing else.

Lads, please look at your rosters and if you don't want any of these, then PM me and I can change until Friday midnight.

Sorry man. I will do this and pass on changes.

Iang87 · 19-03-2013 1:54pm

**** man sorry I'll do this now

leave mine as is I'm happy enough I'm going to be drafting some pitching staff which was how I was going to do it anyway

boccy23 · 19-03-2013 10:07pm

Hi All

I have had a couple of requests to change the keepers as selected. I have declined this as it stands as the deadline was clear on the website to all.

Also based on this logic, the teams that hasn't set their keepers will not have a chance to change the 6 I have picked based on Yahoo rankings. The reason for selecting these 6 was to be fair to the integrity of the league and allowing changes now would be unfair.

So unless people have a serious issue with this, the keepers are now set and no changes will be made.

smackbunnybaby · 20-03-2013 9:50am

boccy23 wrote: »

Lads, please look at your rosters and if you don't want any of these, then PM me and I can change until Friday midnight.

boccy23 wrote: »

Hi All

I have had a couple of requests to change the keepers as selected. I have declined this as it stands as the deadline was clear on the website to all.

So unless people have a serious issue with this, the keepers are now set and no changes will be made.

Why the sudden change of heart?

I'm sorry I forgot to set the keepers, the date creeped up and me, but isn't this a bit harsh given we havent drafted yet and the season hasn't even started yet?

I thought this league was a bit of fun, what with us going into year 3 with pretty much the same members.

I did want some changes to my keepers. but I'll refrain from asking now.

fisgon · 20-03-2013 9:52am

boccy23 wrote: »

Hi All

I have had a couple of requests to change the keepers as selected. I have declined this as it stands as the deadline was clear on the website to all.

Also based on this logic, the teams that hasn't set their keepers will not have a chance to change the 6 I have picked based on Yahoo rankings. The reason for selecting these 6 was to be fair to the integrity of the league and allowing changes now would be unfair.

So unless people have a serious issue with this, the keepers are now set and no changes will be made.

I suppose my question is, Why is the keeper deadline so far before the draft? I honestly wasn't even aware of a deadline for keepers, I've played in fantasy football and the draft is the deadline for setting keepers. Not sure why it is different here.

I actually set my keepers provisionally a couple of weeks ago but had been intending to reassess them this week, and there's a change I want to make. The deadline was not made obvious at any stage, and I still fail to see the reason for having a keeper deadline set so long before the draft happens. In fact it seems that the majority of the league failed to notice the deadline.

fisgon · 20-03-2013 9:59am

smackbunnybaby wrote: »

Why the sudden change of heart?

I'm sorry I forgot to set the keepers, the date creeped up and me, but isn't this a bit harsh given we havent drafted yet and the season hasn't even started yet?

I thought this league was a bit of fun, what with us going into year 3 with pretty much the same members.

Agree with this.

Coeus · 20-03-2013 10:24am

fisgon wrote: »

I actually set my keepers provisionally a couple of weeks ago but had been intending to reassess them this week, and there's a change I want to make. The deadline was not made obvious at any stage, and I still fail to see the reason for having a keeper deadline set so long before the draft happens. In fact it seems that the majority of the league failed to notice the deadline.

I forgot about the deadline aswell

I remember the post alright stated it was Paddies weekend but I can see why people forgot it with it been so far ahead of the draft.

I personally don't agree with Yahoos preseason rankings on some players so I guess I can see why others might want to change. I set my keepers when the league was reopened and I'm happy to stick with them. If others need to change 1 or 2, I'm OK with that if it makes the league more competitive

8-10 · 20-03-2013 10:29am

I can see both points of view really and it's a shame that some missed the deadline.

Is it possible to do a compromise as an extenuating circumstance?

I'm thinking the deadline is open again until the end of the week, and every team is entitled to ONE keeper change?

That way the integrity is still there in that people who missed the deadline are stuck with 5 of the 6 set per rankings, but affords them the ability to make the one change that they most wanted had they realised.

As it stands I support the commissioner and will accept his choice (already had mine set so this is no advantage to me), however I agree that it's an amiable league and support fairness.

In my first season in this league you might remember that I accidentally accepted a trade rather than reject on my phone and I really appreciated others vetoing in the interest of fairness.

What would you all think of a deadline for 1 more keeper change?

Edit: I see Coeus already posted similar

fisgon · 20-03-2013 1:04pm

8-10 wrote: »

I'm thinking the deadline is open again until the end of the week, and every team is entitled to ONE keeper change?

To me this seems fair.

Strictly speaking Boccy is right, the date was set in mid February, and it is on the league homepage.

In practice though, when a deadline is arbitrary like that, and a whole week before the draft, people need to be reminded of the date at least a week before, by email, or with a post on the thread. Especially outside of the season, when people have busy lives and other things on their minds.

This can be seen by the fact that only a minority of members actually remembered the deadline. If this is supposed to be fun then it would seem to me the only fair thing is to extend the keepers deadline.

smackbunnybaby · 20-03-2013 3:27pm

fisgon wrote: »

Strictly speaking Boccy is right, the date was set in mid February, and it is on the league homepage.

I do agree with this. I just want a bit of leniency.
Apologies if we come across as harsh boccy.

boccy23 · 20-03-2013 4:17pm

Hi Lads

Offline for the morning, so I didn't get a chance to chime in.

The post from last night was to try and bring a level playing pitch to all. If we are to allow 1 change, multiple changes or none, then I am totaly on board with this. As I say, it is simply to ensure that everyone has the same opportunities.

And it is definitely a fun thing for me as well. Even the Commissioner thing!

At this stage I have set the keepers and a full opening up of this would create a lot of work that I have already done. If it was ok with everyone, 1 change by Friday seems to be the best compromise.

boccy23 · 21-03-2013 11:40am

Hi Lads

Due to the US being only 4 hours behind us at the moment, the draft time for Sunday is now set for 9Pm instead of 10PM.

Do people want to stay with 10PM on next Sunday, the 24th?

smackbunnybaby · 21-03-2013 11:41am

I'm ok for 9.

If people need to go 10 , Im ok withn that too.

8-10 · 21-03-2013 12:11pm

9 suits me better. I say go with it unless there are massive objections.

Coeus · 21-03-2013 12:20pm

I'm good with 9 aswell but 10 is no problem either. Happy to go with the majority...

boccy23 · 21-03-2013 12:30pm

As 1 has expressed a preference for 9PM and the rest are unaffected, then let 9PM be the default time at the moment.

So unless we have a major move against 9PM, then the draft will be Sunday 24th March @ 9PM.

Coeus · 23-03-2013 1:04pm

I was checking out the non-keeper league this morning and noticed that Yahoo have added NA position as a roster slot. Yahoo says the "NA" position will allow you to place players there, rather than using a bench slot. This is especially useful for leagues that want to hold onto minor league players.

Any thoughts on this for the keeper league? As I posted on the non-keeper thread out I like the idea. I like it more for keeper leagues...

smackbunnybaby · 24-03-2013 12:29pm

Seems like a great idea. How do we know when we draft if a player is N/A?

Like, during the season you know because the player has an N/A against them but around draft time, they mightn't have the N\A against their name?

I certainly havent noticed in a draft room before the player having an N/A! But I could be wrong.

Coeus · 24-03-2013 2:32pm

smackbunnybaby wrote: »

Seems like a great idea. How do we know when we draft if a player is N/A?

Like, during the season you know because the player has an N/A against them but around draft time, they mightn't have the N\A against their name?

I certainly havent noticed in a draft room before the player having an N/A! But I could be wrong.

Basically players who have been assigned to their minor leagues teams already or players without a team should have NA against their name if Yahoo are keeping their status up to date. Trevor Bauer was optioned to the indians triple-A team during the week and he is NA beside his name. I'm not sure if this status is displayed in the draft client though. We'll find out tonight.

boccy23 · 24-03-2013 4:32pm

Ok. I have assigned one N/A player as part of the roster. Lets try it and see.

smackbunnybaby · 25-03-2013 1:05pm

It's possible to drag that player to N/A already.
No need to wait until the season starts, like the DL.

Iang87 · 26-03-2013 8:28pm

dont ask me why but i thought the draft was this thursday

brilliantboy · 05-04-2013 9:43am

I (Seattle Seamonkeys) have far too many catchers

so if anyone wants to suggest a trade I'm all ears

8-10 · 05-04-2013 10:54am

I'm having a disaster with closers. Stupidly drafted Axford and Marmol both of whom try their hardest not to close games. Shifted both out for their understudies. Pick them up if you like. They'll break your heart.

Also if anyone wants Halladay....

Iang87 · 06-04-2013 10:59am

finally got an hour to sit down today and mess with my team and look up to see how opening week went. Bit late to the party but the love for this is back a million fold

8-10 · 23-04-2013 11:38am

First trade completed. Delighted. I think it was very fair. Has everybody updated their trading blocks? Going to do that myself now as I still want to tweak a little.

smackbunnybaby · 30-04-2013 1:49pm

How's the season going guys?

Coeus · 30-04-2013 10:01pm

smackbunnybaby wrote: »

How's the season going guys?

In this league, not too good, no matchup wins yet

Bad start from Trout kinda shows how much he carried my team last year. Melky was a draft bust aswell, was kind of a punt as I saw value (he was good in spring) where I selected him but he obviously aint the same player when he is not on the juice. Think my pitching should be OK now that I sorted out who I want to keep.

8-10 · 02-05-2013 9:35am

smackbunnybaby wrote: »

How's the season going guys?

I feel I've been tinkering way too much. Happy enough with my roster now though I think.

Weak point is 1st base. If anyone needs a SS and wants to offer a fair trade for Rollins I think that would help me out. Im happy playing Segura everyday instead of him. Eric Hosmer has been a disaster.

Actually might look through the teams and may throw some trade offers around

8-10 · 02-05-2013 11:14am

Also can't remember did we have a rule on how many years you can keep the same player for? I know we have it in my work league but wasn't sure here?

boccy23 · 02-05-2013 11:30am

We never discussed this when the league was set up.

By the rules of calling this a Keeper League, you are right. We should have a max. no. of years, i.e. 3.

Or do we run it as a semi Dynasty League wehere you keep those players indefinitely?

What do people think?

If we are putting a finite value, then I think 3 years is reasonable, i.e. next year we need to put back a lot of players into the draft pool.

8-10 · 02-05-2013 12:02pm

boccy23 wrote: »

We never discussed this when the league was set up.

By the rules of calling this a Keeper League, you are right. We should have a max. no. of years, i.e. 3.

Or do we run it as a semi Dynasty League wehere you keep those players indefinitely?

What do people think?

If we are putting a finite value, then I think 3 years is reasonable, i.e. next year we need to put back a lot of players into the draft pool.

I would agree with that but we'd definitely need a majority consensus.

Only worry is how we track it? For instance Harper would be a keeper but I didn't draft him, I just picked him up last season and I'm not sure we'd know the date? Or how would it work?

I think 3 years is reasonable, any longer would probably be too much and be too presumptuous of how long we will all be participating.

Coeus · 02-05-2013 12:42pm

Yea, I would be up for setting a limit on how long a keepers are kept but I'm in the same boat as 8-10. None of my current keepers are from the first seasons draft. They were either traded for, drafted last season or picked up via FA. Is there any thing in Yahoo to track a players ownership rules in keeper leagues?

8-10 wrote: »

Im happy playing Segura everyday instead of him.

I have Segura in the non-keeper league. Drafted him in case Escobar didn't work out but both are producing so Segura is an everyday player for me aswell. I expect his production to continue...

8-10 · 21-05-2013 1:07pm

Do I have to drop a player in order to add an N/A?

That's very annoying. I have a blank N/A spot but can't put a player into it. I need to add him, drop another, move him to N/A and then pick up the player I dropped again a few days later if he's not called up by waivers.

Is there an alternative to this? It seems unfair. DL works the same I believe.

smackbunnybaby · 21-05-2013 1:08pm

yeah, thats correct.
you need to have a roster space available to do it.

8-10 · 24-05-2013 9:17am

Well that's annoying. What is equally annoying is that my regular 2B is hurt, and despite having Rangers' current 2B on my roster (Profar), he isn't position eligible!

Why is Profar down as just "IF" when he's clearly a SS and how many games does he have to play at 2B for him to be eligible for that spot?

Coeus · 24-05-2013 11:41am

8-10 wrote: »

Well that's annoying. What is equally annoying is that my regular 2B is hurt, and despite having Rangers' current 2B on my roster (Profar), he isn't position eligible!

Why is Profar down as just "IF" when he's clearly a SS and how many games does he have to play at 2B for him to be eligible for that spot?

I would have thought Profar would have been a SS once called up, maybe he was playing at 2B in the minor. For position eligibility, player needs to make 5 starts or 10 appearances at a position to become eligible for the position.

8-10 · 04-06-2013 3:20pm

Stanton, Harper, Crawford, Utley, Lawrie.

All on DL. My bats are decimated.

Coeus · 04-06-2013 10:17pm

8-10 wrote: »

Stanton, Harper, Crawford, Utley, Lawrie.

All on DL. My bats are decimated.

Wow, thats alot of injured players to carry. And Strasburg could be on his way there if he cant get through his upcoming bullpen session.

Rendon has been called up from AAA so you'll have to make a roster move to get him into your lineup.

8-10 · 05-06-2013 5:49pm

Coeus wrote: »

Wow, thats alot of injured players to carry. And Strasburg could be on his way there if he cant get through his upcoming bullpen session.

Rendon has been called up from AAA so you'll have to make a roster move to get him into your lineup.

Yeah I dropped Crawford. Always likely to go on the DL and OF is the easiest to replace. Stanton could be back next week it turns out, Harper and Utley aren't far either.

It's a long season. Punting some offensive stats for a couple of weeks then hopefully keep in touch after that.

Strasburg keeping off the DL would be nice.

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