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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,562 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    They actually claim that they do but there is a long running debate here which suggests that everyone is not happy with the current output.

    I'm suggesting that we put everything on the table and for once and for all decide what we want from a PSB.

    You correctly identify some of the dangers inherent in direct funding but I think with the proper structures, and checks and balances put in place it could work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    They claim. What do we think? Where is the debate?

    But when do we get to put it on the table, when will that decision be made? And who makes that decision.

    But we have direct funding to one PSBer and that funding was cut during a down turn.

    And in the current situation has shown that An Post has never been taken to task about their collection of the fee.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,562 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The debate is in this thread.

    Maybe best if you scroll back a few pages and you will get the gist of it.

    Lot's of stuff to be decided.

    The TV Licence was an answer to a 20th century question. We need to move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Ok what has this thread decided? (I have the gist of the thread, I was once here in another form!).

    So we move on and in ten years the gov cuts funding because we are in a recession?


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    18 months by recent calculations, there'll be no appetite for bailing out anyone,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭garrettod


    No offence - but this is Ireland - we don't do "proper checks and balances" in this country.

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,506 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    "Some of the infrastructure in Montrose is showing it's age anyway but a move would be vey expensive and there would be little point in it unless you were prepared to fund a complex with the best of modern technology. I'd be open to the idea but would like to see the figures."

    RTE sold 8 acres of Montrose for €107m a year or 2 back. The remaining site there is approximately 30acres, so extrapolating that out and not counting for land price inflation, they are looking at €400m+ for the whole site if it went for sale. Imagine what size of site that would get you elsewhere, not even in the middle of nowhere, but somewhere within 1hr of Dublin - say in Offaly or Westmeath. They could have space, new buildings, tech, and change out of that €400m, as well as bringing industry, jobs, economic activity to somewhere (slightly) outside the pale that would badly need it.

    But then Dee might actually have to use here car allowance to leave the city, and tubridys commute would take him away from the rock road or N11, so no chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,562 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Like I said I'm open to the idea.

    There would be the need to keep a studio in Dublin to consider as well.

    Obviously travel would be an extra cost also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,721 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    He has about as much charisma as the bead of sweat running down my left ball as I got intimate with Mrs BoBandy the other night!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,562 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Well we should.

    Your caveat applies to all areas of public administration and is not unique to the matter under discussion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,562 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I wouldn't have the time or energy to try to sum up a thread with more than than 8000 posts but ultimately it's just an online forum and doesn't get to decide anything really.

    Welcome back.

    If the government of the day cut funding to PSB you would expect that the quality of the output would suffer.

    However the amount required to run a PSB is so small in the context of the overall government budget you'd hope that they would concentrate cost savings in more fruitful areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,802 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf



    Exchequer funding has it problems. 1. Political influence and 2. During a downturn the easy at which a government may decided to cut funding to public service broadcasting.

    Are these not also a risk under the current system?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    If the government of the day cut funding to PSB you would expect that the quality of the output would suffer.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    They shouldn't be. However we have see that Successive Irish government (without Tory malice) were able to implement almost everything that the Tories in the UK would like to do.

    1. Failed to increase the license fee on a inflationary basis, thus cutting the fee to an extend (not massively but some what), a freeze.
    2. Cut exchequer funding from TG4 (one of those small areas they wouldn't dare go after) only to pass part of the license fee over to TG4 to replace what they lost. Full exchequer funding returned in 2019.
    3. And they also cut funding from the over 70s, which hasn't been fully return.

    The quick simple answer is exchequer funding. It certainly saves An Post having to defend their non-collection of the fee.

    In the meantime RTÉ have done very little. They right bemoan the above. But they also fail to properly use their income.

    1. Cutting Children's Content
    2. Ring Fencing Imported Programming
    3. Cutting Drama
    4. Doing away with what little comedy that they had
    5. Giving 2fm funding from the licence fee while failing to grow its audience or to prove its public service remit.
    6. Cutting Lyric FM by nearly a million in 2021.

    They have no strategy for the money the currently have, as seem unwilling to tell us what they will do with the 65m of fees that An Post fail to collect each year.

    RTÉ basically say: -


    "To continue to provide the kind of service we currently provide into the future we need to insure we get all of the license"


    Sorry RTÉ but if you think that your current service is worth 65 million extra per year you really need to consider what you have.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭garrettod


    Please ignore....

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭jippo nolan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    This post is aimed at a Mod so I can link it and I don't have to try to fit all this into a pm.

    Pre the boards.ie move to the new platform, the poll results were very different to the results seen it the OP now. I don't know how that happened and I doubt it can be undone. Can a Mod please edit the OP and include the snip below to more accurately reflect the true thoughts of posters. Perhaps the poll should be closed too.

    The credit goes to @Varik on this one as he dug this out of his cache shortly after the change.

    Pre platform change (approx July 2021) :

    Post platform change :


    Thanks.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,497 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Sorry guys, but even with my Admin powers I do not seem to be able to change or even delete the poll

    I'll check if they can do anything at the office



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k



    The Valentine's special is coming back... dear God... this has been a car crash every &*@!ing times they've done it. Nobody's enjoyed it, nobody's walked away from it thinking 'that was worth the time'...

    Instead it descends into a mess, something out of Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer. Even the 'usually' positive twitter folks never have a decent thing to say about it.

    I'd say it's beating a dead horse, but that would be far less insulting to people's intelligence than this dross.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    TLLS need this type of one of special. TLLS 2019/2020 season relied on the deaths of a number of well known people (including Gay Byrne) and COVID. Prior to both TLLS had been losing audiences, expect for these types of "specials"

    Valentines Day (Massacred in mascara)

    EuroSong

    Irish Country and Western Music special

    and throw in a few birthdays or anniversaries


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Firstly, @Beasty has put an edit/caveat into the OP in this thread as ye can see - *poll not working - pl ignore* - good job👍️


    Secondly, y'know this whole Public Service Broadcasting craic, I'd like to see more of the 'Public' bit brought into play. RTE's interpretation of PSB is 'The public will get what we give them'. I believe PSB should mean giving the public what they want.

    An example of the above:- SOR's slot became available some time back and iirc, Sarah Mc did a 6 month stand-in slot and was excellent in the position. This was pretty much reflected around these parts and I presume elsewhere on SM, in fact, I'd say it was visible from space. I would also presume RTE knew this because I hear on the grapevine, they actually have some computers in there. So in a bid to fulfil their PSB remit, RTE must have thought 'Right, it looks like the public want Sarah Mc in the slot, what will we do?'...I know, says some cretin, lets put Claire Byrne in there instead...feck the public'. How is that public orientated? This shows an astounding level of arrogance or the 'Noel effect' as I like to call it.

    How did all that pan out in the end. Well, the show has tanked, it is struggling to get a sponsor and it has basically become a vehicle to promote people from Claire's own agency. Also, I don't recall SOR needing expensive TV ads made to promote/rescue his show. More cash down the drain.

    D'Arcy - another disaster! I've pretty much said it all about him on his thread but just to add - RTE have paid him about €3m since 2015. I'd confidently say that the public would get rid of him in an instant if asked - now that would be real PSB

    The public need way more influence on how this omnishambles of an organisation operates, possibly on a daily/micro level basis because frankly, RTE are incapable of making good decisions themselves. They have become completely institutionalised and are not capable of change.

    Because RTE behave like an unruly child, there needs to be an Independent Oversight Committee that reviews all decisions/actions/promotions/contracts/new shows/salaries/fees etc, before they are taken and they have the final say to Y or N it. It might work like this:- RTE proposes that their Washington correspondent returns to Ireland, resigns from RTE, signs up with a agent and is contracted back in to co-anchor the 6.1 news and is paid extortionate fees way in excess of what an employee would earn. The Independent Oversight Committee can then reply to this proposal with: "Yeah nice try lads, not going to happen"

    There's a whole world of hate out there for RTE and imo, it's justified. This hate has been brought onto RTE by RTE and nobody else.


    Lets sit down and talk about all that Moya.


    Jaysus...I feel better now😀



  • Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    All very valid/ good points......i totally agree Montrose is a basket case....... the whole " model" is inverted..........i doubt many would disagree that it's basically on an artificial 'life support' ..... in its present guise it can't have many years left......but nobody is going to 'face the dragon' ....too many vested interests



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,756 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    I completely get why they want to do the Valentine's special i.e. it'll trend on social media because people will unable up avert their eyes or resist commenting on it.


    However, I do think they are taking a huge risk - by ploughing a load of 20s/30s full of drink - that something will go badly wrong in terms of the behaviour/comments of some pissed audience member(s). This risk is multiplied given recent events in the news i.e. all the talk about how men should treat women with respect, etc. following the death in Tullamore.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,355 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    Saw a good parody of that, set to different music. 😂

    I don't watch the show, so I slightly hoped it wasn't based on something that he really did.

    But of course, like the toy show, it's all about the host... 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The only reason they do specials is because they have absolutely no idea how to produce an entertaining show each week. TLLS run out of ideas very quickly.

    It's interesting to see how a thread about RTÉ has become a thread about TLLS, because much like TLLS RTÉ have no idea how to create something outside of TLLS.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,161 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Ray D'arcy (and Dustin) used The Den's cancellation/non-renewal to go after Dee Forbes. I'm no fan of Forbes, but it's the height of arrogance to condemn your employer whilst claiming a wage that's more than the American President gets in a year. She could easily kick D'arcy to the curb. She won't, but she could. Tells you all about the type of prat he is.

    The 'Country' special gets more pathetic and depressing every year... especially because a good chunk of the acts die due to old age. Or they draft in failed pop stars who've 'gone country' because it's their last thread of relevancy.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd like to see more public access tv. Sure, you will get some loo lahs (or even mostly loo lahs) but it would surely fit into the public service requirement?

    I enjoy going through the RTE archives, looking at stuff from the 50s-70s that I wasn't around to see at the time. Vox pops on the street are great.. even if people are only talking about whether they would eat horse meat or not. I was doing this one day and realized that a lot of the value of the content RTE produces is only evident maybe decades after it was made and it's relevance is as a record/archive of Ireland's social history. With that in mind, I say, more vox pops, more nationwide-type trips around Ireland talking to local people, and less of the light entertainment stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    IFAIK they are supposed to have something for public access under the broadcasting act 2009, but I could be wrong about that.

    I would love to look at stuff from the 1950s only RTÉ TV just started at the end of 1961. Ireland was always 10 years behind.

    You will be glad to hear that RTÉ produce very little light entertainment. Though in years to come we will be looking back at First Dates!

    Do people notice that RTÉ produce relatively little programming?


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    @RabbleRouser2k "The 'Country' special gets more pathetic and depressing every year... especially because a good chunk of the acts die due to old age. Or they draft in failed pop stars who've 'gone country' because it's their last thread of relevancy."

    That is TLLS gold... dead people ... I can see Tubs slavating just at the thought that he might have to talk about a dead person.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭Ballycommon Mast


    I have seen a few people mention the Clare Byrne & Sarah Mac thing, the reality is, RTE would have decided long before Sarah Mac's summer fill-in that Clare Byrne was getting the today show when SOR retired.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    "retired" I hear he's looking to get back in, surprised Newstalk weren't on the phone to him since golfgate!

    RTÉ have an odd way off announcing thing just look the the 2 Johnnies coming to 2fm, but schedule changes launched the day before?


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭Ballycommon Mast


    Yes RTE are an odd bunch, I posted about the two Johnnies getting 2fm drive at the start of the new year because it was in the Sunday world. Back in 2014 2fm drip fed their then new schedule over the course of about 2 weeks but every single bit of it had already been in the papers and posted here 3 months earlier



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Trying to appeal to the 'youth'... who are listening to playlists on spotify, or podcasts. Weirdly, didn't those guys have a podcast? Is their podcast failing now, so they're trying to get onto radio to seem 'legit'?

    I don't listen to any Irish podcasts - their subject matter don't interest me. So hence my question.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    In the 1950s Ireland had fighter jets and could defend its airspace. Not anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,792 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Ah shur stick on the bourne supremacy and killnascully for the umpteenth time it'll kill a few hours of a Saturday night



  • Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But you never mentioned the appetizer for such fine fare.......pat short on d'telly....... if that's not worth €160 I just don't know what Is!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    So SOR to return to RTÉ!


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,506 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    It would be peak-RTE if they end up putting money in for the continuation of Neighbours, while the begging bowl is out with the government



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Do they currently piggy back off C5, like VM do off ITV for their soaps?

    Channel 5 are/were paying £5million a year for the rights but couldn't sell enough adverts to cover it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,506 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    I wouldn't think there would be an agreement between CH5 and RTE, would be between RTE and Fremantle media who make it. Apparently when the Aussie channel that showed it cancelled it a few years back, CH5 came to an agreement with them to effectively continue funding it. Now theyve pulled out, they are looking at RTE for help. From the Metro UK - https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/07/rte-in-talks-with-neighbours-over-shows-future-after-it-is-axed-16063093/

    "Not all is hope is lost yet, however, as Network 10 – which produces Neighbours in Australia – is reportedly intent on continuing their association with the show, with a spokesperson telling TV Tonight that they are ‘hopeful’ Freemantle will find a new broadcast partner. Over in Ireland, RTÉ has aired Neighbours for over two decades, after the channel acquired it in 2000.

    When asked about the future of the soap, a spokesperson for the Irish broadcaster told Metro.co.uk: ‘RTÉ is currently in talks with Fremantle in relation to Neighbours.’"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    So 5mil on top of whatever they're currently paying, yikes!



  • Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yep.......... now to get big Phil back onto that European gravy train



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    RTÉ pay around €2000 for an hour of TV from abroad. 5 EPS A WEEK 30 MINS 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR ~€260,000 (give or take for inflation, been a few years since I heard €2000 for an hour of TV).

    Channel 5 and the BBC were paying to broadcast in the UK, most likely the BBC realized it was cheaper to fund it, not sure if either the BBC or Channel 5 make a return on their investment.

    RTÉ negotiations with Fremantle will be to look at what they replace neighbours with and if they will continue with the contract. RTÉ couldn't give €5m to neighbours when it is only willing to pay €3m to indo producers in Ireland for drama.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Was on the road this morning & had Claire Byrne on......next thing she introduces her next guest.......RACHEL ENGLISH. So Rachel has written a book & Claire is gushing/ gooing all about this book....oh its the greatest book ever......& I'm thinking 'Rachel English ..... I know that name from somewhere'.then the penny dropped......its her from " morning Ireland". So Claire's special guest was a presenter from earlier in the morning. Brilliant free advertising for her book ....you can't BUY advertising like that.......but seriously, what kind of codology was that interview???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Still, on a more positive note Ken, if your pelvic floor is a bit rough around the edges, stay tuned.

    Pelvic floor specialist on line 3

    I'd like to sponsor the show.

    Brilliant, that'll be three fifty for the year.

    Great, I'll leave the €3.50 at the security hut.

    It's actually €350 thousand sir.

    Right, I'll leave it so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Was watching RTE investigates tonight. A very sensitive, and serious topic, with Domestic Violence being highlighted. For the most part, well made, well researched, and some absolutely horrific cases highlighted. Whilst some parts of the doc sort of brushed aside elements, barely mentioning some things that I feel did a disservice.

    But some parts of the doc threw me off. There were moments when subtitles were used, and they were full of misspellings. (The one that really caught my eye was 'Your' being used instead of 'You're').

    And then it showed footage of the recent vigil for that teacher murdered in Offaly. This felt... unjustified, and somewhat insulting. Whilst the topic of the documentary was about domestic abuse in a relationship, that case, that spawned the vigils (and I'm trying not to discuss this too much, because the case is ongoing and I don't want to harm the case or say anything untoward) was not a domestic partner.

    That 'bookending'... felt like it was doing a disservice to the brave individuals who were speaking out about the horrific crimes they suffered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,984 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    To be fair I think subtitling is not done by humans any more.

    So you'd often get spelling mistakes on it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Good post. Sounds like a typical RTE production (especially wrongly conflating the vigil into it) I didn't watch it. I think I subconsciously avoided it because of the way they were pushing it so hard. It was the lead story on the 6.1 and fell to the 3rd story on the 9 news.

    RTE won't like your post at all so expect all 38 of the Morning Ireland presenters to do a live broadcast from outside your place in the morning. Hopefully there's a 4* hotel close by that they can stay in tonight.



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