Kevin Spacey...WTF?!

greencap · 24-12-2018 11:38pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Regarding any allegations I would say let justice take its course.

As for his reputation in Hollywood it appears to be ruined.

So 5 is it?

(ibf any se7en jokes)

paleoperson · 24-12-2018 11:38pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That was strange.

I love him as Frank Underwood, and certainly there's a few points well made about the whole "trial by social media" era we're in... But releasing a video in character now - presumably as a response to the allegations and the new charges - is just very, very odd.

Not sure what the end result he's trying for is. As much as I think most fans missed him from season 6, a TV show does not trump real life crimes (if indeed he is ultimately found guilty and convicted).

As I said.. strange

I feel like he thinks he is one of the calculating, cunning characters he plays. I believe it's highly inappropriate though and is unlikely to help him. Drop the accent and the character, modify the dialogue, drop the "doing something else" and release it after christmas.

MarkHenderson · 24-12-2018 11:44pm

Enjoy the showers Frank.

squawker · 24-12-2018 11:44pm

Trial by social media, what a world it's become

HappyAsLarE · 25-12-2018 12:04am

The man is guilty of randy-ness. Not the worst crime.

DS86DS · 25-12-2018 12:04am

He does a good Al Pacino impression.

https://youtu.be/x4n1bORDkz0

Beechwoodspark · 25-12-2018 12:14am

He’s a bit of a degenerate ain’t he

Venom · 25-12-2018 12:17am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Regarding any allegations I would say let justice take its course.

As for his reputation in Hollywood it appears to be ruined.

Roman Polanski was convicted of worse and it didn't hurt his reputation with Hollyweird none.

Under His Eye · 25-12-2018 12:29am

Venom wrote: »

Roman Polanski was convicted of worse and it didn't hurt his reputation with Hollyweird none.

Polanski has been kicked out of the Academy.

AllForIt · 25-12-2018 12:31am

The youtube views on this are off the scale. Nearly 1 million already. 30K thumbs up 14K thumbs down. Surely will be one of the most watched non-music video youtube vids ever.

Canis Lupus · 25-12-2018 12:39am

Kevin Spacey is a person that no one really knows, you could believe the allegations against him.

Frank is a character that's loved. Frank could never have done these things, they're lies.

Venom · 25-12-2018 12:43am

Under His Eye wrote: »

Polanski has been kicked out of the Academy.

Yeah in 2018, only 41 years after his conviction but I'm sure they were kinda busy with other more important things :rolleyes:

Avatar MIA · 25-12-2018 12:46am

peasant wrote: »

and btw..the acting certainly was sub par in this clip

Was thinking the same. Underneath it all he knows his goose is cooked.

As much as I liked him as an actor there are too many allegations for the suspension of disbelief.

Richard Hillman · 25-12-2018 12:58am

This is a very epitome of a sleb living in a bubble. Somebody actually said to him that this was a good idea.

Ash.J.Williams · 25-12-2018 1:02am

That's excellent

orourkeda1977 · 25-12-2018 1:03am

This made the news on the BBC.

Guy:Incognito · 25-12-2018 1:09am

Edgarfrndly wrote: »

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/kevin-spacey-sexual-assault-charge-1203095488/

Nice bit of gutter journalism by variety. Trying their best to make it our like the guy was an underage kid.

"Kevin Spacey is facing a felony charge of sexual assault for allegedly assaulting a former Boston TV news anchor’s teenage son in 2016, Variety has confirmed.

According to the Barnstable County Superior Court clerk’s office, Spacey will be arraigned on a charge of indecent assault and battery on a person 14 or over at Nantucket District Court on Jan. 7."

Then hope no one will read past the first paragraph and stick in "her 18-year-old son (who had told Spacey he was 21)" .

Snickers Man · 25-12-2018 1:17am

evolving_doors wrote: »

To be fair Jimmy Saville did a lot of good charity work too... and Gary Glitter had some good songs...

Part one is true, part two......come on! (come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on)

Glitter was always crap!

s7ryf3925pivug · 25-12-2018 1:26am

He should do the trial in character.

RobbingBandit · 25-12-2018 1:30am

K-pax Alien mode with a little Lex Luthor you're not seeing the big picture here.

ixoy · 25-12-2018 1:42am

Alvaro Bewildered Wallaby wrote: »

He should do the trial in character.

Excellent idea. The asides he used to do to the camera can be to the jury instead.

eagle eye · 25-12-2018 1:48am

What exactly constitutes sexual assault? Did he grab the lads arse or cock or ball bag? Would that be enough for a charge like this? Are there witnesses?

Augme · 25-12-2018 1:54am

Trigger Happy wrote: »

As did Paul gambiancini, Cliff Richard, Jim Davidson, Nigel Evans, Jimmy Tarbuck and Harvey Proctor...all accused falsely and since declared innocent.
Spacey May well be guilty of what he is accused of but I would not be rushing to tar and feather him until convicted of wrong doing.

Jimmy Saville was never convicted of wrong doing either.

Under His Eye · 25-12-2018 1:55am

Augme wrote: »

Jimmy Saville was never convicted of wrong doing either.

But he is dead and you cannot libel the dead.

BuboBubo · 25-12-2018 2:01am

Whether he is innocent or guilty, that video gave me the creeps.

I used to love his films, even had a bit of a crush on him years ago, now he just creeps me out.

Weird...

25-12-2018 2:20am

I think that is absolutely fantastic.

irishchris · 25-12-2018 2:40am

Epic video and finally standing up to the ridiculous social media battering he had been receiving before even hearing his account of what could be fictional allegations against a rich successful man (not for the first time in history) also see it as a two fingers to netflix for writing him out without proof of guilt, when he was the one who brought success to house of cards in the first place. Brilliant to use their monologue and writing his own ending ie Frank still alive with that wedding band.

Bobtheman · 25-12-2018 8:51am

batgoat wrote: »

Do you say that about all sexual predators?

He might do prison time. what exactly do you want him to do ? He can seek work like any human being.
To answer your question I would not feel that way about every sexual predator. I would lock up child or violent predators for life

batgoat · 25-12-2018 9:01am

Bobtheman wrote: »

He might do prison time. what exactly do you want him to do ? He can seek work like any human being.
To answer your question I would not feel that way about every sexual predator. I would lock up child or violent predators for life

He deserves to do prison time. Any sexual assault is an act of violence. It's making a person do something against their will that can destroy their lives. Eg Bill Cosby drugged his victims but still an act of violence that caused long term damage.

Canis Lupus · 25-12-2018 9:47am

batgoat wrote: »

He deserves to do prison time. Any sexual assault is an act of violence. It's making a person do something against their will that can destroy their lives. Eg Bill Cosby drugged his victims but still an act of violence that caused long term damage.

If convicted I assume you mean.

Bobtheman · 25-12-2018 9:57am

batgoat wrote: »

He deserves to do prison time. Any sexual assault is an act of violence. It's making a person do something against their will that can destroy their lives. Eg Bill Cosby drugged his victims but still an act of violence that caused long term damage.

Yes that is very true

mean gene · 25-12-2018 10:07am

Massive fan of house of cards -saw the first 5 series which were great -series 6 is a disaster its taking me 3 weeks to go through 2 episodes keep turning it off without spacey its crap but im determined to finish it

FrancieBrady · 25-12-2018 10:20am

Hilarious to see the mob (happy to condemn on the basis of an allegation) get upset when the accused uses social media to fight back.

Stephen Gawking · 25-12-2018 12:07pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZveA-NAIDI

Just posted

In character vs real life?

Happy Xmas!

That whole clip is so much better than season 6 of house of cards. Tried to watch it but couldn't get past more than one episode. As for the accusations? Whatever happened to due process instead of being tried in the court of public opinion? Why didn't the accusers go to the police instead of the media? Not saying he's innocent as i don't know but we have due process rather baying mobs with blazing torches & pitchforks.

batgoat · 25-12-2018 12:08pm

Stephen Gawking wrote: »

That whole clip is so much better than season 6 of house of cards. Tried to watch it but couldn't get past more than one episode. As for the accusations? Whatever happened to due process instead of being tried in the court of public opinion? Why didn't the accusers go to the police instead of the media? Not saying he's innocent as i don't know but we have due process rather baying mobs with blazing torches & pitchforks.

He's been charged so the accuser did go to the police and it looks like there's enough evidence to pursue a prosecution... You don't see anything creepy about the fact that he releases it on the same day the charges come out?

sonofenoch · 25-12-2018 12:14pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Awful accent

Terrible hammy acting

Such a creep

Absolutely ...don't much care of what he's accused of, doesn't affect me

but I never liked him, never rated him as an actor at all

Pac1Man · 25-12-2018 12:15pm

2019 is Kevin's comeback season.

Come on Kevin!

mikhail · 25-12-2018 12:52pm

Innocent until proven guilty is a legal doctrine. I belive in it - and Spacey hasn't been locked up without trial.

Doesn't mean I have to suspend forming an impression he's a creep though.

padd b1975 · 25-12-2018 1:08pm

Under His Eye wrote: »

Polanski has been kicked out of the Academy.

Was that before or after he got a standing ovation led by Streep?

bnt · 25-12-2018 2:43pm

batgoat wrote: »

He's been charged so the accuser did go to the police and it looks like there's enough evidence to pursue a prosecution... You don't see anything creepy about the fact that he releases it on the same day the charges come out?

Not really: he knows that he's facing two trials: one in the courtroom, one in the media. This is his first strike in the inevitable media war - telling us he knows what's coming and sowing some uncertainty among the public.

It's an interesting strategy. I don't entirely know what to make of it. I expect to see academic papers and books appearing once the dust has settled. Maybe even a book by Spacey himself, and/or a movie about the Spacey story with the man himself as a paid consultant ... either way, it's not *boring*. Having a criminal record is no real barrier to working in Hollywood: just ask Mark Wahlberg or Tim Allen.

AllForIt · 25-12-2018 2:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think that is absolutely fantastic.

#metoo

evolving_doors · 25-12-2018 4:35pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

As did Paul gambiancini, Cliff Richard, Jim Davidson, Nigel Evans, Jimmy Tarbuck and Harvey Proctor...all accused falsely and since declared innocent.
Spacey May well be guilty of what he is accused of but I would not be rushing to tar and feather him until convicted of wrong doing.

Wagner was a had a whiff of NAzi off him too

TomSweeney · 25-12-2018 4:51pm

Sorry , I'm sure it's been posted already, but who in the name of christ thought it would be a good idea for Kevin Spacey to post a video of himself in character of Frank Underwood ( a slimeball murdering scumbag) that he is innocent ???

Jesus, those PR people need a sackingg ...

Atoms for Peace · 25-12-2018 5:06pm

Creepy as ****, should have done it as the character he played in Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.

The Talking Bread · 25-12-2018 5:15pm

He is using the gay card and now maybe the mental health card, or maybe perhaps playing the screw the media, I'm clearly innocent if I can show you how ridiculous these charges seem to be that I am confident I am innocent by releasing a ridiculous sketch, i am not going to hide away .......... clever ploy if you ask me heading in front of an American jury

eagle eye · 25-12-2018 5:15pm

Well imo it's what an innocent person would do. The guilty guy usually takes the advice of counsel and keeps very quiet.
People nearly convicting him before he is guilty and backing it up with comments about how it's going to court and that's enough.
They don't understand the American Justice system at all and how much it's different from the Irish system.
The DA is an elected official. In many cases the DA moves on to state or even federal politics later in life. Mr O'Keefe will get huge exposure out of this regardless of the outcome. It's all good for him. If Spacey gets convicted then he is the man who will get the credit, if Spacey is found not guilty then he still has the publicity surrounding the trial nearly guaranteeing him another term as DA or maybe moving up to State politics.

Potential-Monke · 25-12-2018 5:19pm

Ok, I haven't watched the video as I didn't watch House of Cards so the whole character thing will be lost on me. I don't care to watch it either, but I did want to chime in with my 2 cents. Yes, a lot of people have made allegations, and yes some of them are getting to a court case. While it would be unusual for the state to proceed with a prosecution if there was no enough evidence, it's also likely that they are proceeding in the public interest, ie: the state has to be seen to take these allegations seriously due to trial by social media. Even if there is not enough evidence, the state would still bring a case due to the celebrity status and the whole #metoo movement which is basically demanding a court case. It wouldn't be the first time, and it won't be the last time, that a case gets to court without enough evidence, so won't surprise me if this is similar.

Yes, the stories are not great, but right now that is all they are, stories. I've seen first hand how a false allegation can lead to a prosecution, and it happens a lot more than people realise, especially in the he-said-she-said* sexual assault cases. I don't know how they will prove historical abuse, the majority of evidence in these cases are usually from clothes and swabs the same day/day after. Also, due to the time, there will be no cctv, and I haven't heard any mention of other forms of media to be used as evidence, so this will 100% be a he-said-she-said case.

If this had come out maybe 10 years ago, before I was a Garda, I would probably have jumped on the guilty by social media bandwagon, but having worked in law, with law and seeing how courts operate (granted, different countries have different processes, but the core would be the same), I'm firmly in the innocent until proven guilty side. Again, it doesn't look good for him, but there is nothing to stop anyone making any kind of allegation against another person, and in the he-said-she-said cases it all boils down to who is more believable.

Also, not sure about the US but I'd imagine it's the same, criminal cases (of which this is one) need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, which will be extremely hard to prove at this stage imo, unless he admits it (which it doesn't look like he will). I can see this going through all the twists and turns of a social media sexual assault case, and there will be no difference in the end, as I'd imagine there won't be enough to convict him, but people will still consider him guilty. He's screwed either way.

*In the interest of the soft society we have, he-said-she-said covers all genders and relationships.

Augme · 25-12-2018 5:27pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Ok, I haven't watched the video as I didn't watch House of Cards so the whole character thing will be lost on me. I don't care to watch it either, but I did want to chime in with my 2 cents. Yes, a lot of people have made allegations, and yes some of them are getting to a court case. While it would be unusual for the state to proceed with a prosecution if there was no enough evidence, it's also likely that they are proceeding in the public interest, ie: the state has to be seen to take these allegations seriously due to trial by social media. Even if there is not enough evidence, the state would still bring a case due to the celebrity status and the whole #metoo movement which is basically demanding a court case. It wouldn't be the first time, and it won't be the last time, that a case gets to court without enough evidence, so won't surprise me if this is similar.

Yes, the stories are not great, but right now that is all they are, stories. I've seen first hand how a false allegation can lead to a prosecution, and it happens a lot more than people realise, especially in the he-said-she-said* sexual assault cases. I don't know how they will prove historical abuse, the majority of evidence in these cases are usually from clothes and swabs the same day/day after. Also, due to the time, there will be no cctv, and I haven't heard any mention of other forms of media to be used as evidence, so this will 100% be a he-said-she-said case.

If this had come out maybe 10 years ago, before I was a Garda, I would probably have jumped on the guilty by social media bandwagon, but having worked in law, with law and seeing how courts operate (granted, different countries have different processes, but the core would be the same), I'm firmly in the innocent until proven guilty side. Again, it doesn't look good for him, but there is nothing to stop anyone making any kind of allegation against another person, and in the he-said-she-said cases it all boils down to who is more believable.

Also, not sure about the US but I'd imagine it's the same, criminal cases (of which this is one) need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, which will be extremely hard to prove at this stage imo, unless he admits it (which it doesn't look like he will). I can see this going through all the twists and turns of a social media sexual assault case, and there will be no difference in the end, as I'd imagine there won't be enough to convict him, but people will still consider him guilty. He's screwed either way.

*In the interest of the soft society we have, he-said-she-said covers all genders and relationships.

So do you think the mutplie people who have accused him are all lying about it? For what purpose? Money? Attention?

The Talking Bread · 25-12-2018 5:37pm

Augme wrote: »

So do you think the mutplie people who have accused him are all lying about it? For what purpose? Money? Attention?

If he is innocent....... I am choosing this.

Social media has ridden us of the presumption of innocence. This is case in point.

Potatoeman · 25-12-2018 6:00pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

Was that before or after he got a standing ovation led by Streep?

It’s the hypocrisy of Hollywood. He got plenty of work when he was out of the country. Plenty of his supporters are jumping on the me too bandwagon because it’s the current trend. Hollywood is a bigger cesspool than politics.

Kevin Spacey...WTF?!

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