The Frederick St protest and reaction

Hurrache · 12-09-2018 11:56pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The political parties behind the protests - SF and PBP - are the same ones that are running DCC and preventing the implementation of a high-rise policy. Only in Ireland could they get away with that kind of hypocrisy.

South Dublin County Council, with a mayor and deputy mayor from Sinn Fein, with the rest of the council being https://www.sdcc.ie/en/services/our-council/councillors/ only this week decided to reduce the property tax by the full 15% allowed.

Wheeliebin30 · 12-09-2018 11:58pm

Renua rep done well on the tonight show definitely has my attention.

Hurrache · 13-09-2018 12:00am

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Remus rep done well on the tonight show definitely has my attention.

Remus?

NIMAN · 13-09-2018 12:00am

20Cent wrote: »

Never heard of her.
It's not about one person.

You're interested in the homelessness crisis yet don't know who Margaret Cash is?
Seriously?

Do you live in Ireland?
Do you watch or read any news at all?

Samsong · 13-09-2018 12:01am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm surprised no one asks this question more often.

How many county councillors and planners are landlords who have no personal interest in increasing supply dramatically?he worst person to have as your boss

We could have built 30 storey + buildings all over the docklands with ample apartments over the last 10 years. Many developers have tried down the years.

Ask yourself this...

Do you really believe the primary concern is Dublin's beautiful skyline being ruined?

The paddy is the worst person to have as your boss. He will work you hard and take advantage whenever possible.

I heard this or something similar from fellow irishmen when i used live and work abroad.

For Forks Sake · 13-09-2018 12:09am

Hurrache wrote: »

South Dublin County Council, with a mayor and deputy mayor from Sinn Fein, with the rest of the council being https://www.sdcc.ie/en/services/our-council/councillors/ only this week decided to reduce the property tax by the full 15% allowed.

Some of the most valuable property in the country under their remit, and the same hypocrites will have the gall to whine about a lack of funds...

Gimme A Pound · 13-09-2018 12:12am

Samsong wrote: »

The paddy is the worst person to have as your boss. He will work you hard and take advantage whenever possible.

I heard this or something similar from fellow irishmen when i used live and work abroad.

Kinda lacking self awareness when they are also "paddys".

13-09-2018 12:16am

Bethany Long Pensioner wrote: »

I completely agree that there are disgustingly greedy landlords. Not sure why the government are to blame for them. The government are responsible for drafting legislation for sure, but these things take time unfortunately.

Are you fúcking kidding me?

"These things take time", the crisis has been ongoing for four years now, and was well flagged. Fine Gael have been in office continuously for seven years.

The Government isn't simply responsible for "drafting legislation", it's responsible for gathering up all the money that you and i work hard to give to them, and deciding how to spend it. You'd think that the provision of stable, long-term shelter for 3,000 homeless children would be a greater priority than an annual fiver for every pensioner in the audience, but, VOTES.

Bethany Long Pensioner wrote: »

It's not in fairness - I prefer privileged people caring about those who are less privileged, than being rotten snobs. But what I don't agree with is privileged people pretending they are working-class and lecturing middle-class people.

Nobody is lecturing middle class people. I'm middle class like most people on this thread, and nobody is lecturing me -- in fact, all I see among my friends and relations is a genuine struggle to find affordable property to buy (for family purposes), or to rent, in Dublin.

Do you genuinely not see how this crisis is also affecting middle class people, especially those under the age of 40?

Samsong · 13-09-2018 12:27am

Bethany Long Pensioner wrote: »

Kinda lacking self awareness when they are also "paddys".

Not really.

20Cent · 13-09-2018 12:31am

Four of the people evicted were hospitalised due to injuries suffered during the eviction. Assault by masked men protected by the Gardai, a sinister thing to happen.

NIMAN · 13-09-2018 12:32am

20Cent wrote: »

Four of the people evicted were hospitalised due to injuries suffered during the eviction. Assault by masked men protected by the Gardai, a sinister thing to happen.

What were the injuries?
Have you any links to reports of these 4 injured people?

Gimme A Pound · 13-09-2018 12:35am

Of course I know it affects middle-class people - I didn't suggest otherwise. What do you mean "Do you genuinely believe" in relation to something when I didn't mention believing anything about it. I was specifically referring to the likes of Paul Murphy, who DO lecture other middle-class people. I didn't mention anything about middle-class people in general who support this protest. I would support protest but not through breaking into a private property and occupying it.

There are a lot of self loathing middle-class people though. Speaking of self loathing:

Samsong wrote: »

Not really.

It is really. By their logic, they'll be terrible to work for if they become bosses. And why do they have to use the derogatory "paddy" term about themselves.

Topgear on Dave · 13-09-2018 12:36am

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Some of the most valuable property in the country under their remit, and the same hypocrites will have the gall to whine about a lack of funds...

A gang of bluffers.

If the property tax rose along with property prices electoral pressure would force construction.

It really pisses me off. Im a house owner now and i rented for years so Iv seen both sides, feel bad for renters but have no quarrel with landlords.

If the LPT goes up by 100 euro annually there is holy war and politicians lose their seats and its talked about in the papers and the dail, but the rent on my old apartment went up by several hundred quid A MONTH and nobody bats an eyelid. :rolleyes: :mad:

Topgear on Dave · 13-09-2018 12:42am

NIMAN wrote: »

What were the injuries?
Have you any links to reports of these 4 injured people?

https://twitter.com/ruairimckiernan/status/1039905371685613568

Not the worst Iv ever seen. The social media exaggeration bs doesn't help things.

NIMAN · 13-09-2018 12:44am

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ruairimckiernan/status/1039905371685613568

Not the worst Iv ever seen. The social media exaggeration bs doesn't help things.

Is that it? A scratched hand.

My wee boy had worse falling off his bike.

20Cent · 13-09-2018 12:46am

NIMAN wrote: »

Is that it? A scratched hand.

My wee boy had worse falling off his bike.

Concussion and neck injuries as well.

Laneyh · 13-09-2018 12:47am

J_E wrote: »

Was it necessary to have 2 groups of masked security for this? One still unknown with an illegally parked/registered vehicle? This is a scary police response. You can't tell me this was in any way necessary.

Is there evidence the occupiers were violent and warranted this level of force?

To be fair, they couldn't have known exactly how many people were inside.
As it turns out there were only 4 people inside

They're the same people who occupied Summerhill Parade which they left without any violence
There would have been no reason to assume they would violently resist this time. I completely agree that the private security sent there and the Garda backup were way in excess of what was needed

NIMAN · 13-09-2018 12:50am

4 people inside yet 5 reported with injuries.

Must be looking for a personal claim, or else time off work.

I'd say these protesters are easily persuaded to attend an A&E Dept with concussion and neck injuries to suit an agenda. Not surprisingly, hard injuries to prove by medical staff.

blackwhite · 13-09-2018 12:52am

20Cent wrote: »

Concussion and neck injuries as well.

Fact sheets that you can lift from the information boards in the hospital aren’t exactly evidence of anything.

But then again, when you’re dealing with someone who vocally advocates violence against people with different politics to yours then I’m not sure rational thought is what I should be expecting

Trasna1 · 13-09-2018 12:54am

NIMAN wrote: »

4 people inside yet 5 reported with injuries.

Must be looking for a personal claim, or else time off work.

I'd say these protesters are easily persuaded to attend an A&E Dept with concussion and neck injuries to suit an agenda. Not surprisingly, hard injuries to prove by medical staff.

Work?!

Samsong · 13-09-2018 12:54am

Balliffs with balaclavas on usually hug and gently remove people. Especially when they have the riot squad protecting them

13-09-2018 12:57am

Bethany Long Pensioner wrote: »

Of course I know it affects middle-class people - I didn't suggest otherwise. What do you mean "Do you genuinely believe" in relation to something when I didn't mention believing anything about it. I was specifically referring to the likes of Paul Murphy, who DO lecture other middle-class people.

Middle class people are affected by the crisis in far greater numbers than those who are homeless!

Obviously, I'm not comparing the stress or anxiety of homelessness to househunting, I'm simply saying the use of the verb "to lecture" is a pretty strange choice of word, when those people you claim are being lectured to, are actually victims of the crisis also.

I disagree with Paul Murphy on a lot of things -- I think his role in the Water charges and Property Charge protest was deeply cynical and opportunistic, and the latter was totally at odds with his socialist credentials.

But he's dead right when it comes to the housing crisis, and anyone with a shred of concern for their community, and cannot acknowledge the valid points he is making, seems to me to have some pretty odd priorities. Nobody -- not ordinary workers, nor their children, nor the wider economy -- benefits from this crisis and the lack of public investment.

The only people who benefit from the lack of investment (and therefore, lack of competition in the market) are landlords. Fair enough if they benefit, but excuse me if i don't join the majority of people in this thread in seeming to cheer them on, whilst booing and hissing at calls for public investment in housing.

end of the road · 13-09-2018 1:00am

weldoninhio wrote: »

Another wall of nonsense. When did I say the building owners family were in the “industry”? The building owner has the right to enforce the court order.

2nd part of the nonsense. Anyone “calling on your person” while you are illegally occupying someone else’s house would have to show you ID?? FFS.

3rd paragraph. You read “somewhere” online? I’ll go with the Garda spokesperson on this one.

And the final para of nonsense. As far as you are aware. Jesus wept. Maybe it fell off and they had informed the Gardaí of same, which the Gardaí took at face value.

i wonder what would happen tomorrow if my front plate "fell off" and i informed the gardai. not sure it would go well for me?

McMurphy · 13-09-2018 1:02am

Gatling wrote: »

Where was the "States police " hired ,

Why inverted commas? AGS are the states police force last I heard.

By all accounts they attended what could have been an eviction which could have turned nasty considering all the social media waffles about it .

They did their duty and kept the peace which is what they are paid to do

I've no problem with the guardians of the peace keeping the actual peace.

However , it doesn't sit very easy with me that it (optics wise) appears that they have been drafted in to enable some (thus far) unknown, unnamed anonymous group of masked men who have turned up on our capitals streets to carry out a high court eviction notice, in an unmarked van which appears to be registered outside the state.

The guards refusing or unwilling/unable to confirm who actually employed the services of these masked men doesn't appear to be doing them much favours either.

For the record, I have no qualms that the guards who attended had their faces covered, in the social media world we all reside in these days, I get their reason to hide their faces.

The fact that they seem to have been deployed in this instance to support masked men who were there to carry out an eviction on behalf of the high Court is where it doesn't sit easy with me.

Before I get accused of being some Marxist dole scrounging teen, I would like to point out that I'm a university educated professional - married to another university educated professional.

The protesters illegally occupying the property should absolutely have been evicted, but true to form the manner in which it was carried out was wrong, aesthetically at least.

In order words, 2 x wrongs don't make a right.

Not a great start to the newly (though I predict fairly short served) commisoniers role imo.

NIMAN · 13-09-2018 1:03am

end of the road wrote: »

i wonder what would happen tomorrow if my front plate "fell off" and i informed the gardai. not sure it would go well for me?

If your plate fell off, nothing would happen you.
If caught with no plate I am sure 99.9% of guards would inform you you have no plate and to get one fitted.

No drama.

end of the road · 13-09-2018 1:08am

Hurrache wrote: »

So they had blacked out plates now, and were out of state security operatives.

This just keeps giving.

well, this is what happens when shadowy hired private goons have no id, people begin to think all sorts. if they had id, then there would be no theories as to who they may be.

DwightSchrute1 · 13-09-2018 1:08am

end of the road wrote: »

i wonder what would happen tomorrow if my front plate "fell off" and i informed the gardai. not sure it would go well for me?

Here’s a crazy suggestion, maybe the Garda would just tell you to get it fixed as soon as you can.

Samsong · 13-09-2018 1:09am

People on twitter offering money for names of the masked Gardai and any other information.

Madness

DwightSchrute1 · 13-09-2018 1:15am

end of the road wrote: »

well, this is what happens when shadowy hired private goons have no id, people begin to think all sorts. if they had id, then there would be no theories as to who they may be.

It’s more than likely that the Guards knew the identity of these so called “hired goons” and would have liased with them before the eviction begun. What makes you think that these people were required to identify themselves to the protesters on the street?

Mongfinder General · 13-09-2018 1:15am

Samsong wrote: »

People on twitter offering money for names of the masked Gardai and any other information.

Madness

Duckheads. They’ll do **** all except harass and troll Garda on the internet. Any attempt to interfere in Garda business or pervert the course of justice should mean custodial sentences. Gardaí should be monitoring I.P. Addresss for clowns like these

The Frederick St protest and reaction

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