Tesla Model 3 thread - V2.0

kuro68k · 15-05-2019 9:09am

Presumably Ireland will get the recent $400 price bump, and more expensive "Fake Self Driving".

The $35k Model 3 is officially cancelled now, the cheapest model even in the US, only available "off menu", is over that price. Cheapest model in the UK is £44k before grant.

dingledosser · 15-05-2019 11:45pm

I got to test drive a Model 3 today. Just magic, an absolute joy to drive.

jfk75 · 16-05-2019 12:05am

dingledosser wrote: »

I got to test drive a Model 3 today. Just magic, an absolute joy to drive.

Any info from the showroom on opening up the configuration website?

dingledosser · 16-05-2019 12:39am

No, I'm in San Jose, I drove one over here.

ted1 · 16-05-2019 4:28am

kuro68k wrote: »

Presumably Ireland will get the recent $400 price bump, and more expensive "Fake Self Driving".

The $35k Model 3 is officially cancelled now, the cheapest model even in the US, only available "off menu", is over that price. Cheapest model in the UK is £44k before grant.

Not Cancelled , just increased to $34k or 34.4 stop posting fake news.

Which when you take into consideration inflation and duty from trumps trade war isn’t to bad.

jusmeig · 16-05-2019 7:28am

dingledosser wrote: »

I got to test drive a Model 3 today. Just magic, an absolute joy to drive.

Where, in Ireland?
My own fail edit...I've read the rest of the thread!!

kuro68k · 16-05-2019 8:50am

ted1 wrote: »

Not Cancelled , just increased to $34k or 34.4 stop posting fake news.

Which when you take into consideration inflation and duty from trumps trade war isn’t to bad.

A) You can't buy it in Europe

It's not $35k any more

C) Even in the US they try really, really hard not to sell you one

D) If you do manage to buy one you just get an SR+ with some stuff disabled in software, i.e. they aren't actually making the $35k model

ELM327 · 16-05-2019 9:22am

kuro68k wrote: »

A) You can't buy it in Europe

It's not $35k any more

C) Even in the US they try really, really hard not to sell you one

D) If you do manage to buy one you just get an SR+ with some stuff disabled in software, i.e. they aren't actually making the $35k model

There was never going to be a $35k car in europe.
It was never offered or announced,

What was offered was a uk GBP price based on an exchange rate of 1.45. Now it is a couple of years later and the rate is 1.1-1.2, but using the exchange rate at the time of the announcement, the uk price is what was announced

Are you a begrudger for everything or just for things you can't afford?

hatrack · 16-05-2019 11:38am

I think if we don’t see the Irish configurator opening this week we’ll be looking at August / September deliveries.

The impression that I got from speaking with Tesla was that although our configurator was opening after the UK our deliveries would be in with theirs (which would make sense). If it doesn’t open this week it’s hard to see us getting anything from the first shipment (and given the smaller numbers I don’t expect multiple shipments).

Will be interesting to see the first proper batch for RHD VINs, the time between first large VIN batch for EU vehicles and delivery was about four weeks. If we’re to see June deliveries in UK you’d expect a few thousand RHD VINs in the next few days.

jusmeig · 16-05-2019 11:45am

hatrack wrote: »

I think if we don’t see the Irish configurator opening this week we’ll be looking at August / September deliveries.

The impression that I got from speaking with Tesla was that although our configurator was opening after the UK our deliveries would be in with theirs (which would make sense). If it doesn’t open this week it’s hard to see us getting anything from the first shipment (and given the smaller numbers I don’t expect multiple shipments).

Will be interesting to see the first proper batch for RHD VINs, the time between first large VIN batch for EU vehicles and delivery was about four weeks. If we’re to see June deliveries in UK you’d expect a few thousand RHD VINs in the next few days.

Might not be a bad thing to miss the first batch of RHD Model 3's. There has been a pattern of consistent improvement in terms of quality as Tesla iterate!

ted1 · 16-05-2019 11:48am

kuro68k wrote: »

A) You can't buy it in Europe

It's not $35k any more

C) Even in the US they try really, really hard not to sell you one

D) If you do manage to buy one you just get an SR+ with some stuff disabled in software, i.e. they aren't actually making the $35k model

A.) yet
B.) it is, it’s 34k, or 34,400 which is fair enough as inflation has increased over 3 years as have duties due to trade wars.
C.) but you can still buy it.
D.) so it’s still available, but with a better battery that will still give 100% even it it degrades.

catharsis · 16-05-2019 5:52pm

ted1 wrote: »

A.) yet
B.) it is, it’s 34k, or 34,400 which is fair enough as inflation has increased over 3 years as have duties due to trade wars.
C.) but you can still buy it.
D.) so it’s still available, but with a better battery that will still give 100% even it it degrades.

Why do you keep saying $34.4K - I have seen no reference to that anywhere except in your posts?

e.g. from https://electrek.co/2019/05/14/tesla-model-3-increases-price/ (which is hardly an anti-Tesla source)

In an email sent to employees obtained by Electrek, Tesla said that it also applies to the base Model 3 off-the-menu:

“Today, in the U.S., Model 3 base prices increased by $400. This price increase applies to all Model 3 variants, including off-menu Standard Range and Long Range Rear-Wheel Drive. Leasing for Model 3 Standard Range Plus continues to be available for $399/month.”

The cheapest Model 3 on or off-the-menu now starts at $35,400.

Sabre Man · 16-05-2019 8:52pm

Review by Autogefühl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrPgO7YW-z4&fbclid=IwAR2XQN8GvwQQD4oIX7xK41cZM7w6YKSirWnRq5U0SUmpVPSCMeautI2TuYY

BobbyBingo · 16-05-2019 10:28pm

BobbyBingo wrote: »

Thursday, would be my guess..

:mad:

ted1 · 16-05-2019 10:58pm

catharsis wrote: »

Why do you keep saying $34.4K - I have seen no reference to that anywhere except in your posts?

e.g. from https://electrek.co/2019/05/14/tesla-model-3-increases-price/ (which is hardly an anti-Tesla source)

Typo. Meant 35,400. My points are still valid. Increases due to inflation and trade war.

“The cheapest Model 3 on or off-the-menu now starts at $35,40

kuro68k · 17-05-2019 8:46am

The $35,400 model will never come to Europe. It will be quietly cancelled in the US and never arrive here.

They are not going to keep selling cars they lose money on any longer than they have to in order to say they complied with Musk's promise.

hatrack · 17-05-2019 12:42pm

Anyone been speaking to the guys in Sandyford recently? Really thought the Irish configurator would open by now.

Seeing as we’re so small and our cars are likely to come via the UK I really don’t understand the logic of not opening Irish orders at the same time as the UK.

Gumbo · 17-05-2019 12:57pm

hatrack wrote: »

Anyone been speaking to the guys in Sandyford recently? Really thought the Irish configurator would open by now.

Seeing as we’re so small and our cars are likely to come via the UK I really don’t understand the logic of not opening Irish orders at the same time as the UK.

The guys in Sandyford know just as much, if not less than this forum!

Mike9832 · 17-05-2019 10:44pm

Not looking for Tesla

Over in 10 months?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/17/18629166/elon-musk-tesla-money-changes-cfo-employee-expenses

Sabre Man · 18-05-2019 10:34am

Mike9832 wrote: »

Not looking for Tesla

Over in 10 months?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/17/18629166/elon-musk-tesla-money-changes-cfo-employee-expenses

Would you like to place a bet?

ted1 · 18-05-2019 2:06pm

Mike9832 wrote: »

Not looking for Tesla

Over in 10 months?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/17/18629166/elon-musk-tesla-money-changes-cfo-employee-expenses

I’d say they will be grand. This is to pressure suppliers , staff etc to get costs down

discostu1 · 18-05-2019 7:10pm

Not sure if this is the right thread or if it has been posted

Tesla completes Maxwell acquisition, ushers another era of battery breakthroughs
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-tsla-completes-maxwell-acquisition/

jarrieta · 20-05-2019 8:14am

One more generalist review of the Model 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpTO24kRk8k

ELM327 · 20-05-2019 10:39am

Mike9832 wrote: »

Not looking for Tesla

Over in 10 months?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/17/18629166/elon-musk-tesla-money-changes-cfo-employee-expenses

If Tesla is over in 10 months I will eat my car.
And I'm in a Superb at the moment, that's a big car so it's no ford ka!

20-05-2019 11:24am

ELM327 wrote: »

If Tesla is over in 10 months I will eat my car.
And I'm in a Superb at the moment, that's a big car so it's no ford ka!

That would be a superb spectacle if Tesla failed and you had to eat your Skoda. What happened to the BM?

ELM327 · 20-05-2019 2:13pm

samih wrote: »

That would be a superb spectacle if Tesla failed and you had to eat your Skoda. What happened to the BM?

Nothing, still sitting at the house.
Got p1ssed off at the cost of insuring it so decided to play the insurance company game and get something newer.

There is more chance of angels flying out of my ar$e than of tesla failing within 10 months.

The absolute worst comes to worst scenario they will be bought, but I can't see that happening. The demand for their products (they make more than just cars) is too strong.

KCross · 20-05-2019 2:19pm

ELM327 wrote: »

There is more chance of angels flying out of my ar$e than of tesla failing within 10 months.

iirc, the 10 months figure was based on cash at hand at the end of the quarter and projecting it out based on their current burn rate. They have subsequently raised more cash from the market (havent they?) and havent they also done a deal for several billion with Fiat-Chrysler to offset their emissions fines so thats more cash in the bank.

As Musk would say... funding secured! :pac:

ELM327 · 20-05-2019 2:27pm

I thought the 10 months was after the cash raising and the fca deal

KCross · 20-05-2019 2:45pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I thought the 10 months was after the cash raising and the fca deal

Yea, reading it again, I think it includes the cash raising...

Tesla earlier this month closed a $2.7 billion offering of stock and convertible notes, giving it much needed cash as it ramps up production.

Musk in an email to employees, seen by Reuters, said its net proceeds from the offering gave Tesla only 10 months to achieve breakeven at the rate it was burning cash in the first quarter.

I dont know if it incldues the FCA money though?

slave1 · 20-05-2019 2:47pm

Jeez lads, the last thread got closed for all the Tesla Company chat and going OT.....

zep · 20-05-2019 3:30pm

Folk, please start a new thread to discuss anything other than the Model 3.

20-05-2019 5:10pm

Yes, finally some new mods here!

ELM327 · 21-05-2019 8:44am

Ireland site still not showing "order" for model 3

September1 · 21-05-2019 8:46am

ELM327 wrote: »

Ireland site still not showing "order" for model 3

I think they will want to satisfy immediate demand on UK market, so I would expect they open orders in about 2 months from now.

ELM327 · 21-05-2019 8:50am

I don't get why the separate process for UK and Ireland.
We are the two RHD markets in Europe surely they should be produced at the same time.
Anyway I can't order mine at the moment either way (mortgage application process) so no skin off my nose :P

jfk75 · 21-05-2019 8:57am

ELM327 wrote: »

I don't get why the separate process for UK and Ireland.
We are the two RHD markets in Europe surely they should be produced at the same time.
Anyway I can't order mine at the moment either way (mortgage application process) so no skin off my nose :P

The only thing I can think of is this. So Tesla has made its deal with Fiat Chrysler to sell off its Carbon Credits for the EU. Now with the UK leaving the EU, Tesla would have to get as many cars into the UK as possible before Brexit in order to get the carbon credit money for those vehicle. If this is the case, we unfortunately, will be left waiting as will Australia etc.

kev22185 · 21-05-2019 10:07am

September1 wrote: »

I think they will want to satisfy immediate demand on UK market, so I would expect they open orders in about 2 months from now.

Not a chance in my opinion. It'll be this week or next.

Neworder79 · 21-05-2019 10:25am

The Irish website is doing it's bit to highlight the US price differential. Everyone who visits the Model 3 order page sees "starting $31,800" for a couple of seconds before the re-direct, almost €20K off expected.

Has anyone made enquiries about Model 3 insurance here yet? Are the rates still higher than ICE?

https://www.axa.ie/car-insurance/tesla/

backlashs · 21-05-2019 11:06am

Neworder79 wrote: »

Has anyone made enquiries about Model 3 insurance here yet? Are the rates still higher than ICE?

https://www.axa.ie/car-insurance/tesla/

I rang a couple last week,
None of them had even heard of the car,

Zurich said they dont insure any teslas

Sabre Man · 21-05-2019 12:05pm

I suggest checking with Allianz and 123. I know they insure Teslas.

smokybacon · 21-05-2019 2:46pm

Don’t think insurance that bad in Ireland for them.

Separate question. If you took the motors and batteries out of Tesla’s and substituted with an ICE what brands would it correspond to / a brand that we know In EU with regard to build quality? Peugeot? Seat?

[Extract from pub conversation:-
Q: “What car do you drive?” A: “ I drive a fiat.”
Response “Sure aren’t they all built the same nowadays and don’t break down like in the 80s”]
I think fiats still break down nowadays.

maclek · 21-05-2019 8:40pm

Got a quote from 123 for a P100D of €509.11 which isn't half bad. Model 3 has got be less right because insurance in this country is completely logical?

Allianz don't insure Teslas, but they will cover your extended warranty.

sk8board · 21-05-2019 9:40pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I don't get why the separate process for UK and Ireland.
We are the two RHD markets in Europe surely they should be produced at the same time.
Anyway I can't order mine at the moment either way (mortgage application process) so no skin off my nose :P

If I was Tesla, I’d prioritize getting those initial boats of RHD orders into a single large market first, and then worry about the additional shipping logistics of a ‘bolt on’ market which is over 25 times smaller in terms of annual new car registrations (100k v 2.6m), probably even smaller still in terms of Tesla orders - we might be barely 2-3% of UK tesla volumes, given our relatively low EV adoption rate versus the UK.

Given their financial situation, it makes commercial sense to satisfy the easy volume first

BigAl81 · 22-05-2019 8:15am

Was in the show room in Dublin yesterday, the guy said Irish configurator could open in a few days, but also said my guess was as good as his!

Great to see the car in it flesh, it's obviously a good bit smaller than the S, and seemed a little small inside compared to my Ioniq. I'm 6 foot 3 so if you're tall you might want to sit in one before buying.

Build quality seemed very good to me and it did have a premium feel in my opinion, certainly compared to the Ioniq with cloth seats anyway!

The boot is absolutely massive in the 3 which would be nice. Would love one, but it will be a bit too rich for my blood for now.

jfk75 · 22-05-2019 8:26am

BigAl81 wrote: »

Was in the show room in Dublin yesterday, the guy said Irish configurator could open in a few days, but also said my guess was as good as his!

Great to see the car in it flesh, it's obviously a good bit smaller than the S, and seemed a little small inside compared to my Ioniq. I'm 6 foot 3 so if you're tall you might want to sit in one before buying.

Build quality seemed very good to me and it did have a premium feel in my opinion, certainly compared to the Ioniq with cloth seats anyway!

The boot is absolutely massive in the 3 which would be nice. Would love one, but it will be a bit too rich for my blood for now.

Had a look through the showroom yesterday too ðŸ€£ Got the same answer about the configurator as well. Car looks fantastic. Controls are very intuitive. Tons of storage space. Buckets of room in the back seats. Didn't find it cramped at all in the driver seat (just over 6'1"). It'll be worth the wait.

kuro68k · 22-05-2019 8:42am

BigAl81 wrote: »

Great to see the car in it flesh, it's obviously a good bit smaller than the S, and seemed a little small inside compared to my Ioniq. I'm 6 foot 3 so if you're tall you might want to sit in one before buying.

Build quality seemed very good to me and it did have a premium feel in my opinion, certainly compared to the Ioniq with cloth seats anyway!

Did you notice that the bonnet was warped? It's a known issue with the frunk, if you don't close it carefully with both hands it warps the metal.

The main issue I had was that it was very low. I'm used to taller cars now, don't like stooping or awkwardly clambering out. But then again if you are used to the Ioniq it's probably fine for you.

unkel · 22-05-2019 9:28am

BigAl81 wrote: »

seemed a little small inside compared to my Ioniq. I'm 6 foot 3 so if you're tall you might want to sit in one before buying.

Could you please elaborate? Surely the space in the back is at least the same as in Ioniq (head space and leg room)?

Also, my best mate bought a Model 3 and he is 6'4 and he didn't even mention it was tight

jfk75 · 22-05-2019 9:40am

unkel wrote: »

Could you please elaborate? Surely the space in the back is at least the same as in Ioniq (head space and leg room)?

Also, my best mate bought a Model 3 and he is 6'4 and he didn't even mention it was tight

Didn't find the display model small at all in either front or back seats. Also didn't find the car "low", I really don't like those low to the ground cars where the seats are nearly lying down and the Model 3 definitely didn't feel like any of these things. The bonnet I didn't find funny at all and when I opened and closed it, it did so with a reassuring clunky.

dingledosser · 22-05-2019 10:23am

What colour choice are you guys making? Red was always my first choice, but I was in San Francisco last week (where you'd swear 1 in every 10 cars is a Model 3) and I noticed that unless it's really well polished, the red can actually look quite dull. I like the black too, but the general consensus on the Model 3 Facebook groups is that you only have to look at the black to scratch it. The blue and grey are nice, but just not for me. So now I'm thinking white.

ELM327 · 22-05-2019 10:29am

I like the blue.
I think if I was in my new house and the Irish order books opened tomorrow that would be my color of choice.

But there's a lot to be said for performance in white with black alloys.

Tesla Model 3 thread - V2.0

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