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Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

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  • #52
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    eamondunphy wrote: »
    Could you send me the link to the group please?

    The one on the FB group is mine. It's also on adverts.

    https://www.adverts.ie/other/ev-tethered-type-1-home-charger-32-amp-evse/16400752


  • #53
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    n97 mini wrote: »
    The one on the FB group is mine. It's also on adverts.

    https://www.adverts.ie/other/ev-tethered-type-1-home-charger-32-amp-evse/16400752

    Great thanks! Could you put the group link up also please, I'd like to join Any ev discussion groups, always interesting to read


  • #54
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    eamondunphy wrote: »
    Could you send me the link to the group please?

    https://m.facebook.com/groups/107445206006743


  • #55
    eoferrall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭eoferrall


    Hi All,

    quick question, will there ever be the option to install the wall charger outside connected directly to the meter box outside?

    my fuseboard is quite internal and I am reluctant to have several walls drilled through to the utility room to the fuseboard.

    thanks


  • #56
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    eoferrall wrote: »
    Hi All,

    quick question, will there ever be the option to install the wall charger outside connected directly to the meter box outside?

    my fuseboard is quite internal and I am reluctant to have several walls drilled through to the utility room to the fuseboard.

    thanks

    Technically possible but as I understand it you are not officially allowed put anything into the meter box itself (eventhough some people do).

    You can put another consumer unit next to it (in its own box) and connect that to the meter box and then connect the charge point to the new consumer unit.

    You'd have to weigh up which option is cheaper.... new consumer unit outside or run the cable back to the old consumer unit. You'd need to get a spark onsite and give a quote.


    Is there no option to run the cable through the attic and down from the ceiling to the existing consumer unit?


  • #57
    eoferrall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭eoferrall


    KCross wrote: »
    Technically possible but as I understand it you are not officially allowed put anything into the meter box itself (eventhough some people do).

    You can put another consumer unit next to it (in its own box) and connect that to the meter box and then connect the charge point to the new consumer unit.

    You'd have to weigh up which option is cheaper.... new consumer unit outside or run the cable back to the old consumer unit. You'd need to get a spark onsite and give a quote.


    Is there no option to run the cable through the attic and down from the ceiling to the existing consumer unit?

    Thanks, hadn't thought of a new unit beside.

    yes the attic is a possibility, but would involve the landing upstairs which is above the utility room. most likely is run the cable around the utility room, through the wall into the kitchen and run behind the kitchen units and out the back wall and then around the house... a lot of cabling!

    would have thought new builds would be taking account of this issue in placing the fuseboards.


  • #58
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,719 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    eoferrall wrote: »
    would have thought new builds would be taking account of this issue in placing the fuseboards.

    Taking into account the coming of EVs? In Ireland? :)

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    https://www.adverts.ie/member/5856/ads



  • #59
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    Stealthirl wrote: »
    I explained the last part to him saying that there's a sensor the goes on the main board feed the monitors usage and then adjusts power between 6 & 32A.

    Ill see what he come back with

    did you get this installed in the end? i have a zappi and harvi and am looking for a registered electrician


  • #60
    Stealthirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Stealthirl


    Yup it's in a few days now [only used it twice] and it's working as i expected.
    Leon from Darkin EV did the installation

    43743561_10155762412632747_5271240742797312000_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&oh=c4d407cc14ce3beae4bf7f4c67d1f2a5&oe=5C56367C


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  • #61
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,719 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Any reason he put in the AC disconnect switch? I'd have thought the RCBO would do the job?

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  • #62
    Stealthirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Stealthirl


    Just a standard operating procedure for the company was what i was told, i like the idea i can lock it out if i wish though.


  • #63
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    thansk very much, zappy looks great!!

    sorry if its a stupid question, i know nothing about electrical work, whats the ac disconnect box about? is it needed for all zappis?


  • #64
    Stealthirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Stealthirl


    Thanks,the disconnect is just something the company do as a standard operating procedure on any installation,others may not. Far as im aware it's not a requirement.


  • #65
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    Thanks, i've emailed them looking for a quote, would you mind telling me how much you paid for installation please?

    If you want, could you PM me if dont want to publish price please?


  • #66
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Any idea how long the home charger grant takes to come through? I sent off the info over two 1/2 weeks ago. that €600 would be handy around now.


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  • #67
    denismc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭denismc


    Can anyone recommend an electrician Kinsale/Cork to install my Zappi?
    I have the unit but I am struggling to even get a quote.
    I have contacted 8 different electricians and have yet to even get a quote,
    I guess there are some jobs that are just too small!


  • #68
    TOLLOT
    Registered Users Posts: 98 ✭✭TOLLOT


    denismc wrote: »
    Can anyone recommend an electrician Kinsale/Cork to install my Zappi?
    I have the unit but I am struggling to even get a quote.
    I have contacted 8 different electricians and have yet to even get a quote,
    I guess there are some jobs that are just too small!


    I got one done recently in Cork by Hepburn electrical . Was happy with it .
    PM me if you want more detail.


  • #69
    Delofan
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭Delofan


    Hi

    I just purchased a 2017 Nissan Leaf Tekna 30 and want to have a home charger installed. I live just outside Letterkenny. Can anyone recommend an installer in the Donegal area. I received my grant approval today.

    Thanks


  • #70
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Grumpypants wrote: »
    Any idea how long the home charger grant takes to come through? I sent off the info over two 1/2 weeks ago. that €600 would be handy around now.


    Sent mine in about 3 weeks ago and still waiting too.


  • #71
    icom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭icom


    Grumpypants wrote: »
    Any idea how long the home charger grant takes to come through? I sent off the info over two 1/2 weeks ago. that €600 would be handy around now.

    Took 5 weeks for my grant to come through, they seem to have quite a large backlog of applications.


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  • #72
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    had a registered electrician out today to price installation of a zappi.

    Said that to get a cert, i'd need 3/4 things done in the house, further increasing the price.

    So it'll be almost at the stage that getting a friend to install it and skipping the grant will end up cheaper that using a registered electrician with grant.

    Has anyone else had an electrician point out things that need to be fixed, i've not heard of anyone having had this happen


  • #73
    BigAl81
    Registered Users Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭BigAl81


    eoferrall wrote:
    quick question, will there ever be the option to install the wall charger outside connected directly to the meter box outside?

    Hi

    Just wondering did you manage this in the end? I'm in the exact same scenario with a fuse board in the middle of the house ;(

    It's like an episode of crystal maze trying to figure out the logistics. I'd have to drill through 4 rooms, and it's a new show house so wifey not impressed!!

    If anyone has managed to connect directly to the meter (by adding another consumer unit / fuse board etc) I'd love to hear about it!!

    Thanks,
    Al.


  • #74
    _dof_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭_dof_


    eamondunphy wrote: »
    had a registered electrician out today to price installation of a zappi.

    Said that to get a cert, i'd need 3/4 things done in the house, further increasing the price.

    So it'll be almost at the stage that getting a friend to install it and skipping the grant will end up cheaper that using a registered electrician with grant.

    Has anyone else had an electrician point out things that need to be fixed, i've not heard of anyone having had this happen

    Don't skimp on the electrics. You must get a RECI electrician to connect to the distribution board anyway. If there are a few things to get fixed, then get them fixed.

    When I got mine installed, the testing of the electrics in the house identified one of the sockets in the kitchen didn't have any earth connection :eek: The earth wire was there, but not connected to anything, ever since the house was built!! It was the socket that the metal bodies microwave and metal bodied toaster were plugged into, so potentially deadly.

    So well worth doing it correctly (apart from being required by the regulations)


  • #75
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    BigAl81 wrote: »
    Hi

    Just wondering did you manage this in the end? I'm in the exact same scenario with a fuse board in the middle of the house ;(

    It's like an episode of crystal maze trying to figure out the logistics. I'd have to drill through 4 rooms, and it's a new show house so wifey not impressed!!

    If anyone has managed to connect directly to the meter (by adding another consumer unit / fuse board etc) I'd love to hear about it!!

    Thanks,
    Al.


    Mine was not connected to the internal fuse board.


  • #76
    Zenith74
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭Zenith74


    BigAl81 wrote: »
    Just wondering did you manage this in the end? I'm in the exact same scenario with a fuse board in the middle of the house ;(

    If anyone has managed to connect directly to the meter (by adding another consumer unit / fuse board etc) I'd love to hear about it!!

    I had a new consumer unit added into the meter cabinet, which was connected to the meter and became the primary CU in the house. The existing CU within the house was fed from this primary unit, making it a secondary. All certified.


  • #77
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    eamondunphy wrote: »
    had a registered electrician out today to price installation of a zappi.

    Said that to get a cert, i'd need 3/4 things done in the house, further increasing the price.

    So it'll be almost at the stage that getting a friend to install it and skipping the grant will end up cheaper that using a registered electrician with grant.

    Has anyone else had an electrician point out things that need to be fixed, i've not heard of anyone having had this happen

    Its really a case of whether you believe that electrician or not. If you are suggesting he is making it up to jack up the price then get a second opinion.

    Ultimately, you should get it fixed if it needs fixing. Your mate coming in and doing it without fixing those issues is not doing you any favours.


    What exactly were the issue he pointed out as needing fixing?


  • #78
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    He pointed out a few things including needing earth to some of the wall lights, but also 10sq cables to the emersion and boiler.

    And that the cable to the outside earth rod wasn't large enough either, so that I'd need a new one.

    I'm not suggesting he's trying to Rob me, he's an electrician recommended to me through a friend and he seems genuine, I'm just surprised at all the extras now involved


  • #79
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Grumpypants wrote: »
    Any idea how long the home charger grant takes to come through? I sent off the info over two 1/2 weeks ago. that €600 would be handy around now.

    €600 landed in my account today. So look like it is roughly 3 weeks to get the grant paid back.


  • #80
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Grumpypants wrote: »
    €600 landed in my account today. So look like it is roughly 3 weeks to get the grant paid back.
    Mine was completed last week of sept and I sent the form back on the 1st of October. Hopefully I will get it soon then.
    Did you get a letter in reply first or just the funds straight in?


  • #81
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    eamondunphy wrote: »
    He pointed out a few things including needing earth to some of the wall lights, but also 10sq cables to the emersion and boiler.

    And that the cable to the outside earth rod wasn't large enough either, so that I'd need a new one.

    I'm not suggesting he's trying to Rob me, he's an electrician recommended to me through a friend and he seems genuine, I'm just surprised at all the extras now involved

    They are not required because of the EVSE though. They are required simply because your house wiring isnt up to scratch. I presume its a relatively old house? Regulations have moved on.

    For him to provide you with a cert he is staking his reputation that the house wont burn down. He has to ensure earthing etc is up to regulation before he installs any new equipment. He is doing his job, assuming you trust him.

    The only one that seems odd is the 10sq cable to the immersion. Thats a hefty cable for an immersion but obviously he thinks the one you have isnt up to the job so whether its 6sq or 10sq wont matter really from a price perspective, its about making it safe and he probably saw some scorching or something.

    Maybe get a second opinion?
    How much extra is this remedial work?


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  • #82
    17larsson
    Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭17larsson


    KCross wrote: »
    They are not required because of the EVSE though. They are required simply because your house wiring isnt up to scratch. I presume its a relatively old house? Regulations have moved on.

    For him to provide you with a cert he is staking his reputation that the house wont burn down. He has to ensure earthing etc is up to regulation before he installs any new equipment. He is doing his job, assuming you trust him.

    The only one that seems odd is the 10sq cable to the immersion. Thats a hefty cable for an immersion but obviously he thinks the one you have isnt up to the job so whether its 6sq or 10sq wont matter really from a price perspective, its about making it safe and he probably saw some scorching or something.

    Maybe get a second opinion?
    How much extra is this remedial work?
    Before a new circuit can be added to an existing installation there are a few minimum requirements. All main bonding must be minimum 10sq (hot press, gas boiler, earth rod) and the mains tails minimum 16sq with the neutralizing link 10sq.

    If any of those aren't up to scratch he is not able to issue a cert for new circuits so it sounds like the electrician is right in what he is saying there


  • #83
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Mine was completed last week of sept and I sent the form back on the 1st of October. Hopefully I will get it soon then.
    Did you get a letter in reply first or just the funds straight in?

    Similar timeline to me. I heard nothing from them at all, the funds just popped into my account this morning.


  • #84
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    Yes it's about 35 years old. Not saying that he is wrong, I'm just surprised at how much is involved, I've gone from thinking the grant will help me save money to it actually costing me much more.

    Electrician is to get back to me with a price and even said a friend could do some of them things before he installs the charger in order to keep costs down so I do trust him.


  • #85
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    eamondunphy wrote: »
    Yes it's about 35 years old. Not saying that he is wrong, I'm just surprised at how much is involved, I've gone from thinking the grant will help me save money to it actually costing me much more.

    Well, look at it this way, if you had to replace the boiler in the morning (or decided you wanted an extra socket somewhere etc etc) and you got an electrician in you would be hit with the very same bill for that remediation work.

    The EV grant has nothing to do with it really.

    It doesnt make it easier for you to pay for it but its not the EV is the problem or causing it or that your house wiring has to be upgraded to support an EV. Its just that your house wiring isnt up to regulation in general and you have to fix that before you do any new wiring in the house.


  • #86
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    Yes I agree, I'm not saying that it's not necessary work long term, but not something I wanted or can necessarily afford to do, so the grant, instead of saving me money is actually looking like I'll be out of pocket.

    Was surprised also as I've not heard anyone here or on Facebook pages etc say that they've endup up with extra work and to be done


  • #87
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    eamondunphy wrote: »
    Yes I agree, I'm not saying that it's not necessary work long term, but not something I wanted or can necessarily afford to do, so the grant, instead of saving me money is actually looking like I'll be out of pocket.

    Was surprised also as I've not heard anyone here or on Facebook pages etc say that they've endup up with extra work and to be done
    But it's necessary with or without the grant.


  • #88
    BigAl81
    Registered Users Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭BigAl81


    ELM327 wrote:
    Mine was not connected to the internal fuse board.
    Zenith74 wrote:
    I had a new consumer unit added into the meter cabinet, which was connected to the meter and became the primary CU in the house. The existing CU within the house was fed from this primary unit, making it a secondary. All certified.

    Thanks for the replies, really appreciate it. Delighted to hear it can be done ;)

    Would you be able to share the name of the company / electrician that did the work and I'd happily give them my business too.

    And a cheeky ask, if you care to share the price as well (maybe by PM) that would be great.

    Thanks again, wifey will be delighted too!


  • #89
    Stealthirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Stealthirl


    Grumpypants wrote: »
    Any idea how long the home charger grant takes to come through? I sent off the info over two 1/2 weeks ago. that €600 would be handy around now.

    Well i got a refusal letter a week after i sent off everything, Shannon spelt my surname wrong on the VLC so have to get a new one and then submit again to the appeals bored :rolleyes:


  • #90
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Stealthirl wrote: »
    Well i got a refusal letter a week after i sent off everything, Shannon spelt my surname wrong on the VLC so have to get a new one and then submit again to the appeals bored :rolleyes:
    Wow that's annoying for sure.
    Still radio silence on my account, nearly 4 weeks now and still nothing - no refusal though so that's sometjing!


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  • #91
    b.gud
    Registered Users Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭b.gud


    Just got the grant and planning on getting all the stuff myself, as outlined by KCross earlier in the thread. Just wondering does anyone have any recommendations for an electrician in Galway who would be able to install it for me?


  • #92
    Stealthirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Stealthirl


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Wow that's annoying for sure.
    Still radio silence on my account, nearly 4 weeks now and still nothing - no refusal though so that's sometjing!

    Supper annoying,hope i have the money this side of Christmas.


  • #93
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,223 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Stealthirl wrote: »
    Supper annoying,hope i have the money this side of Christmas.
    Yeah it's sitting on my credit card bill waiting for the grant money.

    Hope I have it before christmas too, that would be over 2 months waiting!


  • #94
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    I got an email the day after getting the money to say it was sent. So at least you get some notification.


  • #95
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,453 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Sorry if I've missed it when skimming the thread, but am I right in thinking that I don't need to produce the individual bills for the charger and the spark, just apply for the grant, send in the electrician's certificate and they send me the money?

    I have a Rolec installed at the minute but I was thinking of upgrading to a Zappi. The spark should be dirt cheap as he is a friend of the family and also the wiring etc is already done and dusted so it's literally just remove one and mount the other.

    If the spark is cheap then I could have a new zappi for very little money as the grant is worth more than the charger is so I'd essentially only have to pay the spark.


  • #96
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    The Electrician filled in the form with the amount he charged. I didn't send any receipt. So as long as you put the amount in the total on the form the electrician fills out then I don't see why you shouldn't get the full 600. Unless they go down the "it has to be on the first charger" rule route.


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  • #97
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,453 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Grumpypants wrote: »
    The Electrician filled in the form with the amount he charged. I didn't send any receipt. So as long as you put the amount in the total on the form the electrician fills out then I don't see why you shouldn't get the full 600. Unless they go down the "it has to be on the first charger" rule route.
    My previous charger wasn't bought via grant. I bought the car second hand at a time the grant was only for new cars.


  • #98
    denismc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭denismc


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    My previous charger wasn't bought via grant. I bought the car second hand at a time the grant was only for new cars.

    One of the questions on the payment request form does ask "Was an EV charge point already fitted to this premises before you started work?"

    But afaik the grant is associated with your houses MPRN so if you haven't applied for the grant before at that address you should be fine.


  • #99
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,453 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    denismc wrote: »
    But afaik the grant is associated with your houses MPRN so if you haven't applied for the grant before at that address you should be fine.

    Yeah that was my understanding, the limit is only if you have already claimed a grant in the past.

    I might call ahead to investigate.


  • #100
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    just a follow up question if thats ok.

    I had another electrician out over the weekend, and like previous ones, stated that i'd need to do thousands of euros of work to the house to get the it passed, which i cant afford, the house is nearly 40 years old.

    I was wondering, is it compulsory to get all the work done before sending in for the grant?

    Like can i get a cert saying the charger was put in successfully but that, the electrician stated that x,y,z in other parts of the house need to be updated and still claim the grant?

    I'm aware that i should get the work done asap but i cant afford to right now.

    If every house in the country was to try get a charger and the grant tomorrow, easily over 50% would need work done in order to get a cert and the 600e and in that case, instead of getting money back, it would actually end up costing much more


  • #101
    eamondunphy
    Registered Users Posts: 748 ✭✭✭eamondunphy


    just a follow up question if thats ok.

    I had another electrician out over the weekend, and like previous ones, stated that i'd need to do thousands of euros of work to the house to get the it passed, which i cant afford, the house is nearly 40 years old.

    I was wondering, is it compulsory to get all the work done before sending in for the grant?

    Like can i get a cert saying the charger was put in successfully but that, the electrician stated that x,y,z in other parts of the house need to be updated and still claim the grant?

    I'm aware that i should get the work done asap but i cant afford to right now.

    If every house in the country was to try get a charger and the grant tomorrow, easily over 50% would need work done in order to get a cert and the 600e and in that case, instead of getting money back, it would actually end up costing much more


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