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Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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    #4712
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    Apparently Patrick left the court via a side entrance and sped off on the back of a waiting motorbike.

    Mago picking him up.


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    #4713
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    you know how you can tell some one is a real gangsta ?

    you get shot in the face with a rusty gun by a coked up teenager for 200 euro and a push on debt forgiveness.

    your funeral gets attended by a load of cowards who sold you out and wouldn't work in a fit and who run home to their mammy's every time the cops come through the door

    at the end of the day most of your money ends up being paid to a pos hiding in a foreign country and you get 10 euro for every bag you sell


    and some plonker on a thread on boards pretends he knew ya when you dead

    Word. I didn't choose the game yo. The game chose me. Later dawg, me ma's doing fish fingers and jam sandwiches for me lunch back in her gaff.


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    #4714
    spider baby 172
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭spider baby 172


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    Apparently Patrick left the court via a side entrance and sped off on the back of a waiting motorbike.

    Jesus could they not find any safer mode of transport, maybe like an army tank.


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    #4715
    ParkRunner
    Registered Users Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Why would a dead copper stop a case?

    This is a very strange outcome.

    The evidence obviously became compromised in some way and the Det Supt was put in a very difficult position. Beyond that I don’t think we’ll know for a long time what exactly happened


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    #4716
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    ParkRunner wrote: »
    The evidence obviously became compromised in some way and the Det Supt was put in a very difficult position. Beyond that I don’t think we’ll know for a long time what exactly happened

    Come on. He took notes. He must have been to briefings. They had cctv and other evidence. Him being alive is irrelevant.

    Ireland is heading towards a lawless society.


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    #4717
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    spider baby 172 wrote: »
    Jesus could they not find any safer mode of transport, maybe like an army tank.

    Can you imagine if the bike driver was switched to one of the Byrne's prior to the pickup? :eek: Well, they were ahead of the posse with the banners this morning!

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #4718
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Liveline discussing this today some of those outside the court might be on


    If we are confused now about what happened wait til Joe is finished with it, so to speak!


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    #4719
    ParkRunner
    Registered Users Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Come on. He took notes. He must have been to briefings. They had cctv and other evidence. Him being alive is irrelevant.

    Ireland is heading towards a lawless society.

    His death is obviously very relevant in this case, and in particular whatever happened regarding the evidence in the lead up to his death


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    #4720
    P.Walnuts
    Registered Users Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Come on. He took notes. He must have been to briefings. They had cctv and other evidence. Him being alive is irrelevant.

    Ireland is heading towards a lawless society.

    You obviously haven't been paying attention to this case.


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    #4721
    spider baby 172
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭spider baby 172


    ParkRunner wrote: »
    His death is obviously very relevant in this case, and in particular whatever happened regarding the evidence in the lead up to his death
    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Come on. He took notes. He must have been to briefings. They had cctv and other evidence. Him being alive is irrelevant.

    The answer must be in those notes, everything changed when the prosecution brought those notes forward to the court


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    #4722
    Calltocall
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    So the states prosecution counsel noted that the state had an obligation to ensure the trial proceeded fairly and because of the death of the lead investigator they could no longer do that, now why would that be........


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    #4723
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    You obviously haven't been paying attention to this case.

    No I haven’t as I don’t follow gangland stuff. I’m not getting much of an explanation here either, or from the papers.


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    #4724
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    No I haven’t as I don’t follow gangland stuff. I’m not getting much of an explanation here either, or from the papers.


    If you don't follow Gangland why are you looking for Info here? :confused:

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



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    #4725
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Gadgetman496 wrote: »
    If you don't follow Gangland why are you looking for Info here? :confused:

    Because a trial has collapsed for no apparent reason and this is the only thread on it.

    Still not getting any explanation.


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    #4726
    spider baby 172
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭spider baby 172


    No one knows thats why


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    #4727
    White lighting
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭White lighting


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Come on. He took notes. He must have been to briefings. They had cctv and other evidence. Him being alive is irrelevant.

    Ireland is heading towards a lawless society.


    What cctv had they of Patrick Hutch?


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    #4728
    Calltocall
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭Calltocall


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Because a trial has collapsed for no apparent reason and this is the only thread on it.

    Still not getting any explanation.

    You are unlikely to either, gangland journalists are very close to the Police so it’s unlikely that whatever was going on here will come into the public domain, perhaps in years to come, the whole regency affair has been a tragedy, so many deaths from one incident that still rumbles on today.


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    #4729
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Dead man walking.
    League of Ireland team trying to take out Champions League Team. Could ever only be one result.


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    #4730
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    He's probably gone straight to his local to celebrate.


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    #4731
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    He's probably gone straight to his local to celebrate.


    He might be meeting you soon


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    #4732
    spider baby 172
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭spider baby 172


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    He might be meeting you soon

    Hopefully not. Am I right in saying this lad had no criminal record before the crap began?


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    #4733
    SeaFields
    Registered Users Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    I see a tribunal coming....


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    #4734
    P.Walnuts
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Because a trial has collapsed for no apparent reason and this is the only thread on it.

    Still not getting any explanation.

    Basically....

    - Prosecution case relied soley on a photograph which allegedly showed the accused (dressed as a woman) at the scene with a gun

    - Only 2 Guards identified the accused out of nearly 100 shown the photo

    - The defence requested emails from the lead investigator to other Gadai

    - Lead investigator kills himself. Leaves note pertaining to the case

    - Case collapses


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    #4735
    STB.
    Registered Users Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    Indeed Walnuts that's what I took from it too.

    The trial was stalled this time last year over the disclosure by the prosecution of emails between four gardaí.

    Interesting that the Independent has published a story of todays case with the unredacted photo outside the Regency.

    Regency-1.jpg


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    #4736
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    STB. wrote: »
    Indeed Walnuts that's what I took from it too.

    The trial was stalled this time last year over the disclosure by the prosecution of emails between four gardaí.

    Interesting that the Independent has published a story of todays case with the unredacted photo outside the Regency.

    Regency-1.jpg

    Always wondered who the people were in the background of that photo??


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    #4737
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/his-life-is-not-in-danger-from-us-david-byrnes-family-reacts-as-patrick-hutch-walks-free-from-court-37835054.html


    Mrs Byrne said:
    "No one wants to listen to me. Nobody."
    and
    "His life is not in danger from us."


    I'm guessing only one of those statements is true.


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    #4738
    spider baby 172
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭spider baby 172


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Always wondered who the people were in the background of that photo??

    I always wondered the same. And the two with the guns are running towards the main entrance of the hotel, you would think they would be running the other way


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    #4739
    reg114
    Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭reg114


    The nolle prosequi ruling today will have huge implications. First of all for the gardai because it basically suggests that if the leading garda in a serious crime investigation dies then there's a good possibility the case against the accused will be dismissed. The mafia have a long history of eliminating members of law enforcement and the judiciary in order to achieve the same result, so how long before Irish gangsters take that approach given the perceived benefits to them.

    The other issue is for the state and judiciary. How and why a case can fall due to the death of one garda is beyond comprehension. Witness and photographic evidence should have been sufficient to obtain ruling without evidence of one leading garda.

    Then you have the ramifications on the streets. This verdict will just antagonise those in gangland circles. You can expect retaliation sadly.


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    #4740
    spider baby 172
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭spider baby 172


    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Basically....

    - Prosecution case relied soley on a photograph which allegedly showed the accused (dressed as a woman) at the scene with a gun

    - Only 2 Guards identified the accused out of nearly 100 shown the photo

    - The defence requested emails from the lead investigator to other Gadai

    - Lead investigator kills himself. Leaves note pertaining to the case

    - Case collapses

    Good points. So if it was the case that these emails proved that guards discussed the identity of the man dressed in drag, would that be enough to collapse the case??


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    #4741
    P.Walnuts
    Registered Users Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    spider baby 172 wrote: »
    Good points. So if it was the case that these emails proved that guards discussed the identity of the man dressed in drag, would that be enough to collapse the case??

    Almost certainly I imagine.

    But I'm not going to pretend I know what was in those emails.

    Certain amount of reading inbetween the lines and reasonable conclusions can be made though.


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