Is Organised Child Trafficking in America for Real?

TaurenDruid · 30-10-2019 2:33pm

Maybe you've the full URL. If there's a series of dots in the middle, it's not one.

Spencerfreeman · 30-10-2019 2:39pm

How dat?

TaurenDruid · 30-10-2019 3:37pm

Because a chunk of the URL is missing?

Spencerfreeman · 30-10-2019 3:40pm

Sorry, thought it was sorted, will try again.

K now?

TaurenDruid · 30-10-2019 4:15pm

Yeah. A 324-page PDF, some of which is typed, some handwritten, and that has lots of redactions. What, exactly, are we supposed to be seeing?! Please be specific.

Representative Tom Lewis of Florida elaborated. “Could our own government have something to do with this Finders organization and turned their backs on these children? That’s what all the evidence points to.” He went on. “And there is a lot of evidence. I can tell you this: we’ve got a lot of people scrambling, and that wouldn’t be happening if there was nothing here.”

...is exactly the sort of thing Trumpians and conspiracy theorists say about Pizzagate...

Spencerfreeman · 30-10-2019 4:40pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Yeah. A 324-page PDF, some of which is typed, some handwritten, and that has lots of redactions. What, exactly, are we supposed to be seeing?! Please be specific.

...is exactly the sort of thing Trumpians and conspiracy theorists say about
Pizzagate...

I'm reading it and filling in some redactions as it happens.

Specifically; You will see collusion between the paedo and satanic worship group called "The Finders" and the CIA.

You are comparing that comment by the Congressman to Trumpians, conspiracies and pizzagate?
He didn't last much longer in Congress after making it.

I put it up for people to read. What do you make of it?

I've figured out some of the key names if you find some that you'd like to know.

Spencerfreeman · 30-10-2019 5:11pm

Sorry, I used the word collusion. Far too mild. It was run by the CIA.

If you get to p155 where a name is redacted that takes military flights out of Andrews Airbase, it's Marion David Pettie, leader of the Finders and a CIA operative.
A lot of this information was already available but now what was supposed can be confirmed and lots more.
Lots more, plenty of similarities with Epstein.

Spencerfreeman · 30-10-2019 6:17pm

To put a bit of meat on the bones as it were, Marion Pettie;

Pettie began his career with assorted OSS contacts, served as a chauffeur to General Ira Eaker, became a protege of Charles Marsh (an intimate of FDR and LBJ who ran his own private intelligence network), and was trained in counterintelligence in Baltimore and Frankfurt, Germany. His wife worked for the CIA, and Pettie himself was run by Col. Leonard N. Weigner (whose September 1990 Washington Post obituary confirms that his career was spent in air force intelligence and the CIA).

Dohnjoe · 30-10-2019 6:52pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

To put a bit of meat on the bones as it were, Marion Pettie;

Pettie began his career with assorted OSS contacts, served as a chauffeur to General Ira Eaker, became a protege of Charles Marsh (an intimate of FDR and LBJ who ran his own private intelligence network), and was trained in counterintelligence in Baltimore and Frankfurt, Germany. His wife worked for the CIA, and Pettie himself was run by Col. Leonard N. Weigner (whose September 1990 Washington Post obituary confirms that his career was spent in air force intelligence and the CIA).

You are claiming the Central Intelligence Agency of the US traffics children for abuse?

Spencerfreeman · 30-10-2019 7:48pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You are claiming the Central Intelligence Agency of the US traffics children for abuse?

Trafficked.
I am claiming such a thing.

(i'm not correcting your spelling Dohnjoe)

Dohnjoe · 30-10-2019 7:54pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

Trafficked.
I am claiming such a thing.

Okay, and from when to when?

And for what purpose?

Spencerfreeman · 30-10-2019 7:57pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Okay, and from when to when?

And for what purpose?

In this case until 1987 at least.

Satanic Ritualised Child Sex abuse.

I can't give you the start date here.

"The Finders" operation began in 1971

Dohnjoe · 30-10-2019 9:21pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

In this case until 1987 at least.

Satanic Ritualised Child Sex abuse.

I can't give you the start date here.

Isn't this just pizzagate, but "in the past"

Spencerfreeman · 30-10-2019 9:22pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Isn't this just pizzagate, but "in the past"

Maybe indicating that Pizzagate might not be complete shyte??

Dohnjoe · 30-10-2019 9:51pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

Maybe indicating that Pizzagate might not be complete shyte??

Go on..

Spencerfreeman · 30-10-2019 9:52pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Go on..

lol, did you read any of the FBI release yet?

Dohnjoe · 30-10-2019 9:54pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

lol, did you read any of the FBI release yet?

Meh, too long, not gonna bother

Spencerfreeman · 30-10-2019 9:55pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Meh, too long, not gonna bother

Since it's you...
I give you p212 "chips in childrens heads" to get you going.

Don't come back with the "unsubstantiated" bit, I know.

Spencerfreeman · 30-10-2019 9:59pm

I'll have pizzagate one for you when you get back.

banie01 · 30-10-2019 9:59pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

lol, did you read any of the FBI release yet?

Spencer, you keep dangling info and alluding to connections.
I don't know if it's in the hope of having people read the file and broadcast their own conclusion? But I'm hard pushed.

DJ has already alluded to the Pizzagate similarities, but could you lay out what you think the conspiracy here is?
Lay out what your belief is?

I'm not saying no it's never happened, because it's quite difficult to tease out exactly what you are claiming has happened.

Overheal has posted a semi-confirming story of an elected official trafficking children for adoption.
But that seems to be quite different to the satanic child abuse you are claiming.
What's your theory? What are the timelines, what are you basing it on?
Anything apart from the finders document?

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 2:16pm

References to the 'game caller' and 'The Stroller' also refer to Marion Pettie.

References to the 'two school teachers' arrested in the van vary. The have different names given. In court reports the are called "Douglas Ammerman" and "James Holwell".
WaPo identified Both as "Douglas E. Ammerman" and "Michael Houlihan"

References to the two mothers are identified as "Kirstin Knauth" and "Pat Livingston"

Overheal · 31-10-2019 5:47pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

References to the 'game caller' also refer to Marion Pettie.

References to the 'two school teachers' arrested in the van vary. The have different names given. In court reports the are called "Douglas Ammerman" and "James Holwell".
WaPo identified Both as "Douglas E. Ammerman" and "Michael Houlihan"

References to the two mothers are identified as "Kirstin Knauth" and "Pat Livingston"

“The Pope” “Kelly Clarkson” “Duran Duran” “George Soros” “Tommy Robinson” “Donald Trump” “Peter Schaefer” “Bob Sagat” “Ted Bundy” “Sonic the Hedgehog” and “Lois Lerner”

Connect the dots people!

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 5:50pm

Overheal wrote: »

“The Pope” “Kelly Clarkson” “Duran Duran” “George Soros” “Tommy Robinson” “Donald Trump” “Peter Schaefer” “Bob Sagat” and “Lois Lerner”

Connect the dots people!

ohh, touchy.
That will get some bot hits, thanks.

Do you need page numbers to confirm the truth from the FBI doc?

Proof for "game caller" name below.

St. Petersburg Times Sunday Feb 14th 1987

Pettie, 66, founded the organization in the late '60s or early '70s,

Finders members include former editors, lawyers, accountants and professors, says Ann Reiss, a Reston, Va., housewife who says she has known Finders members for several years.

Most of the time, Shapley says, Marion Pettie acts as Game Caller.He has not been available for comment since the arrests."He is one of the eccentrics of our time, a totally benevolent and benign man," Shapley says. "He's like a character out of Alice in Wonderland. I think he can be the Mad Hatter sometimes, and I think he can be the Rabbit sometimes, and sometimes the Red Queen. He has kind of a twinkle in his eye all the time." The trek to Florida Sometimes the Game Caller sends the Finders on what they call "adventures."

Overheal · 31-10-2019 5:56pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

ohh, touchy.
That will get some bot hits, thanks.

Do you need page numbers to confirm the truth from the FBI doc?

I just ask you would post coherently is all. It’s a discussion site.

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 5:57pm

The confirmation and expansion on some details can be found in the official FBI document linked to in an earlier post.
What you are about to read had been confirmed as a Satanic Child Sex abuse ring.
This is what the WaPo reported then.

"Officials of the U.S. Customs Service, called in to aid in the investigation, said that the material seized yesterday includes photos showing children involved in bloodletting ceremonies of animals and one photograph of a child in chains. Customs officials said they were looking into whether a child pornography operation was being conducted.

According to U.S. District Court records in Washington, a confidential police source had previously told authorities that the Finders were "a cult" that conducted "brainwashing" techniques at the warehouse and the Glover Park duplex at 3918-20 W St. NW. This source told of being recruited by the Finders with promises of "financial reward and sexual gratification" and of being invited by one member to "explore" satanism with them, according to the documents. According to the affidavit, the source told authorities that children were used in "rituals" by the members, and though the source had never witnessed abuse of the children, the source said the children's grandparents feared for their safety."

The person killing the animals was referred to as "Stan". Add a letter yourself.

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 6:02pm

Overheal wrote: »

I just ask you would post coherently is all. It’s a discussion site.

Howzat, no umbrage taken. Thanks.

Dohnjoe · 31-10-2019 6:13pm

Here's the link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1987/02/07/officials-describe-cult-rituals-in-child-abuse-case/11f05df1-48e0-41f7-b46d-249c0bd2bc39/

Sounds like a cult. Haven't bothered to look much into it but a cursory search is showing that conspiracy theorists have really run with this one

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 6:15pm

Overheal wrote: »

“The Pope” “Kelly Clarkson” “Duran Duran” “George Soros” “Tommy Robinson” “Donald Trump” “Peter Schaefer” “Bob Sagat” “Ted Bundy” “Sonic the Hedgehog” and “Lois Lerner”

Connect the dots people!

Why don't you spend your time in a better fashion and read the FBI report that you are suggesting is fantasy?

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 6:18pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Here's the link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1987/02/07/officials-describe-cult-rituals-in-child-abuse-case/11f05df1-48e0-41f7-b46d-249c0bd2bc39/

Sounds like a cult. Haven't bothered to look much into it but a cursory search is showing that conspiracy theorists have really run with this one

That is all they were allowed to have, which is confirmed by the FBI.

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 6:40pm

Are you all actually that callous that you don't care about the sexual abuse and murder of children?

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 6:55pm

Ted Gunderson FBI bureau chief RIP said;

It has TOP CLEARANCE and PROTECTION in its ASSIGNED task of kidnapping and torture-programming young children throughout the US. Members are specially trained GOVERNMENT KIDNAPPERS known to be sexual degenerates who involve children in Satanic sex orgies and bloody rituals as well as murders of other children and slaughter of animals."

TaurenDruid · 31-10-2019 7:24pm

Links. Some basis for naming those you have done. Anything like, y'know, actual *evidence*?

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 7:25pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Links. Some basis for naming those you have done. Anything like, y'know, actual *evidence*?

Start with the major FBI one, you know actual *evidence*
https://vault.fbi.gov/the-finders/the-finders-part-01-of-01/view?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Ask Donhjoe to get you the link to this story which I posted above and see what they've changed?

Washington Post Feb 7th 1987

Ipso · 31-10-2019 7:53pm

Gunderson definitely seems like a lucid source.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2009/08/29/secret-camps-and-guillotines-groups-make-birthers-look-sane/

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 7:56pm

Ipso wrote: »

Gunderson definitely seems like a lucid source.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2009/08/29/secret-camps-and-guillotines-groups-make-birthers-look-sane/

I think the FBI are a better source.
Gunderson explained who was out to destroy him and named them.
I'l probably post a link to a talk he gave on the subject, but it doesn't just relate to this story which is confirmed by the FBI as having been a CIA operation which therefor confirms his assertion.
There is a reference to a school in Ca. mentioned in the report with tunnels on p49 which Gunderson actually examined himself before the they knocked it down. People of course chose to disbelieve him due to malicious propaganda similar to what you have linked to.

Now that I think of it, he's probably one of the redacted names. I'll probably figure out which one but it's a hard slog.

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 8:54pm

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.”
– Edward Bernays (“the father of public relations”), Propaganda, 1928

Dohnjoe · 31-10-2019 9:09pm

Would you reckon this goes all the way to the Clintons..

Treppen · 31-10-2019 9:14pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

I think the FBI are a better source.
Gunderson explained who was out to destroy him and named them.
I'l probably post a link to a talk he gave on the subject, but it doesn't just relate to this story which is confirmed by the FBI as having been a CIA operation which therefor confirms his assertion.
There is a reference to a school in Ca. mentioned in the report with tunnels on p49 which Gunderson actually examined himself before the they knocked it down. People of course chose to disbelieve him due to malicious propaganda similar to what you have linked to.

Now that I think of it, he's probably one of the redacted names. I'll probably figure out which one but it's a hard slog.

Was that the school where kids claimed satanic abuse, then it became a textbook study in psychology where mass brainwashing took place inadvertently by well meaning elders.
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Same way pizzagate is going.

Ipso · 31-10-2019 9:25pm

Treppen wrote: »

Was that the school where kids claimed satanic abuse, then it became a textbook study in psychology where mass brainwashing took place inadvertently by well meaning elders.
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Same way pizzagate is going.

Of course not, it was another character assassination on Gunderson's pure character.

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 9:32pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Would you reckon this goes all the way to the Clintons..

There are many similarities to the type of groups and technologies used that their friend Epstien was involved with so it could be possible.

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 9:36pm

Treppen wrote: »

Was that the school where kids claimed satanic abuse, then it became a textbook study in psychology where mass brainwashing took place inadvertently by well meaning elders.
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Same way pizzagate is going.

The name is on p49. could be I don't know. There was a court case that Ted talked about where I think that was talked about. They escaped conviction.

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 9:37pm

Ipso wrote: »

Of course not, it was another character assassination on Gunderson's pure character.

Is there something that we should know?

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 9:38pm

Ipso wrote: »

Of course not, it was another character assassination on Gunderson's pure character.

That's a scummy smear on a very brave dead man.

Dohnjoe · 31-10-2019 9:42pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

There are many similarities to the type of groups and technologies used that their friend Epstien was involved with so it could be possible.

So you reckon it's possible that the ex President of the United States and his wife, the 2016 Democratic party election candidate were possibly involved in satanic child abuse

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 9:44pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So you reckon it's possible that the ex President of the United States and his wife, the 2016 Democratic party election candidate were possibly involved in satanic child abuse

I see you aren't familiar with Jeffery Epstien.

banie01 · 31-10-2019 9:45pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

So you reckon it's possible that the ex President of the United States and his wife, the 2016 Democratic party election candidate were possibly involved in satanic child abuse

Well that's not what he's saying...
He is laying out a trail of bread crumbs all leading in that very direction and rather than actually laying out his own thoughts on the matter

He seems to be engaging in some weak attempt at inception.
Maybe if we follow his trail and figure it out for ourselves?
It will be truer???

Dohnjoe · 31-10-2019 9:49pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

I see you aren't familiar with Jeffery Epstien.

Familiar with Epstein. Also with Jimmy Saville, who was friends with a lot of people.

I knew this thread was pizzagate when it started

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 9:52pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Familiar with Epstein. Also with Jimmy Saville, who was friends with a lot of people.

I knew this thread was pizzagate when it started

You will be delighted to know when this story broke they called it Goatgate.

I didn't know that Bill and Hilary knew Jimmy Savile, do tell.

Ipso · 31-10-2019 10:13pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

That's a scummy smear on a very brave dead man.

I invoke Poe’s law.

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 10:25pm

Ipso wrote: »

I invoke Poe’s law.

Is that reading comprehension?
I can recommend someone to help.

Is Organised Child Trafficking in America for Real?

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