Anyone hazard a guess for when the gyms will re-open

Alf Veedersane · 15-05-2020 9:48pm

If the gym doesn't have alcohol sanitiser for people to clean machines before and after (though a lot wouldn't bother their hole cleaning after themselves), I'll have my own sanitiser with me. Simple. If you're mostly in a rack, distancing is taken care of for the most part.

I'll have no problem going back.

Sheep Shagger · 15-05-2020 10:06pm

Surely pools will reopen, can the virus spread in water I wonder?

Balmed Out · 15-05-2020 10:12pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Surely pools will reopen, can the virus spread in water I wonder?

The chlorine will kill it and the humidity will mean it wouldn't travel as far in the air but how a pool would operate with social distancing I can't imagine. Their allowed open before gyms which I think would be easier to control for social distancing.

Fitz* · 15-05-2020 10:21pm

A bit more self control would be required too - if you have symptoms, then stay home and don't risk the spread.

Previously, people would often have advised to try 'sweat out' a cold or flu but that won't be an option now.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2020 8:45am

brianblaze wrote: »

Nope

I would say gyms will have to raise their fees too. You won't be able to have as many nos in for fitness classes ....PTS I would say will have to raise their fees.

The rent PTs pay to gyms etc isn't going to go down the rent for studios isn't going down for fitness instructors and if you are employed by the gym the rent isn't going down for the gym itself.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2020 8:46am

FitzShane wrote: »

A bit more self control would be required too - if you have symptoms, then stay home and don't risk the spread.

Previously, people would often have advised to try 'sweat out' a cold or flu but that won't be an option now.

But sure people don't know they have it for up to 2 weeks and some people NEVER know they have it.

brianblaze · 16-05-2020 10:20am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I would say gyms will have to raise their fees too. You won't be able to have as many nos in for fitness classes ....PTS I would say will have to raise their fees.

The rent PTs pay to gyms etc isn't going to go down the rent for studios isn't going down for fitness instructors and if you are employed by the gym the rent isn't going down for the gym itself.

Nope. Again.

Let's be fair here. You are not an epidemiologist, a small business owner or politician. You are speculating, wildly, about something you more than likely have no actual knowledge of. To be honest, we all are, but there's not a hope of this closing gyms and changing fitness as we know it. If it impacts anything, it will be hygiene.

Then we'll get a vaccination, treatment or cure, and we'll all just forget about that, go back to normal, until the next disease!

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2020 10:22am

brianblaze wrote: »

Nope. Again.

Let's be fair here. You are not an epidemiologist, a small business owner or politician. You are speculating, wildly, about something you more than likely have no actual knowledge of. To be honest, we all are, but there's not a hope of this closing gyms and changing fitness as we know it. If it impacts anything, it will be hygiene.

Then we'll get a vaccination, treatment or cure, and we'll all just forget about that, go back to normal, until the next disease!

I am a PT. I just finished a year course.

Interestingly an epidemiologist was one of my lecturers ..for exercise and the immune system

Prof John Jackson.

You are correct I am not an epidemiologist though.

But i do know hygiene in gyms is hard enough already.

Why would i be a politician?

brianblaze · 16-05-2020 10:26am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am a PT. I just finished a year course.

Interestingly an epidemiologist was one of my lecturers ..for exercise and the immune system Prof John Jackson.

You are correct I am not an epidemiologist though.

But i do know hygiene in gyms is hard enough already.

Being a PT or knowing an epidemiologist still doesn't mean much in this conversation. I have been in all sorts of gyms, they all have terrible hygiene, but people will be more aware of it now. The government can't tell businesses to close because they assume they're not going to be clean, they open them and tell them to be clean!

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2020 10:31am

brianblaze wrote: »

Being a PT or knowing an epidemiologist still doesn't mean much in this conversation. I have been in all sorts of gyms, they all have terrible hygiene, but people will be more aware of it now. The government can't tell businesses to close because they assume they're not going to be clean, they open them and tell them to be clean!

Being in all kinds of gyms...doesn't mean much.

You think I haven't been in all kinds of gyms?

People were aware of it before. The truth is machines and weights in gyms come into close bodily contact with many people...don't talk to me about the yoga mats!

They already have to meet public health standards.

Yes they will open them. But things will be different.

brianblaze · 16-05-2020 10:35am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Being in all kinds of gyms...doesn't mean much.

You think I haven't been in all kinds of gyms?

People were aware of it before. The truth is machines and weights in gyms come into close bodily contact with many people...don't talk to me about the yoga mats!

I've also done the NTC course (back i 2013), if that helps? But again, has no bearing on a conversation about businesses opening. We're all guessing, but there's no way the government says 'No more gyms' and hits a €300m p/a industry like that.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2020 10:41am

brianblaze wrote: »

I've also done the NTC course (back i 2013), if that helps? But again, has no bearing on a conversation about businesses opening. We're all guessing, but there's no way the government says 'No more gyms' and hits a €300m p/a industry like that.

Not sure it does ....i just finished a year long course ..and i think tbh i learn more on my own!
They aren't going to say no more gyms of course not. But they will give guildelines.

And i would say business wise they will be restrictive.

I am not talking about the effects if will have on YOU the customer.

I am talking the effects it will have on the people working in it. I.E me.

DM_7 · 16-05-2020 10:55am

Gyms will be back. Initially they will have to have a level of social distancing that will limit numbers and it will be relatively safe.

Many gyms will struggle if members do not feel the need to go back straight away. Membership renewals would fall, classes will not be viable.

It might be a case of getting through to January for many.

I expect more strength focussed gyms see their members back quickly compared to the more fitness club types?

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2020 10:59am

DM_7 wrote: »

I expect more strength focussed gyms see their members back quickly compared to the more fitness club types?

I would say the same. They have the more dedicated members. And its harder to do at home. Its a niche market.

Fitness in general you can do at home etc.

Gyms deffo won't be hiring tho.

Me sad.

jrosen · 16-05-2020 11:01am

bluewolf wrote: »

Cant waiiiit to go back spinning

Im going to start dreaming about it soon lol

billybonkers · 16-05-2020 11:16am

Crumbled and ordered a pull up mate

antimatterx · 16-05-2020 1:37pm

I've been more consistent and I'm getting better results than ever with home workouts. A set of dumbbells, body weight exercises and being innovative with furniture is doing better.

I've never felt better, I bought clothes in March before this started and they wouldn't fit me, now I have room to move in them, despite the scale showing a 2lb drop.

I'm not sure if I'll go back immeadietly. I might wait until I stop seeing results.

jrosen · 16-05-2020 1:41pm

antimatterx wrote: »

I've been more consistent and I'm getting better results than ever with home workouts. A set of dumbbells, body weight exercises and being innovative with furniture is doing better.

I've never felt better, I bought clothes in March before this started and they wouldn't fit me, now I have room to move in them, despite the scale showing a 2lb drop.

I'm not sure if I'll go back immeadietly. I might wait until I stop seeing results.

Thats amazing, well done. Are you doing your own workouts or following an online program.

jrosen · 16-05-2020 1:41pm

Just got an email from my gym saying from next week they are doing outdoor classes, max 4.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2020 1:58pm

antimatterx wrote: »

I've been more consistent and I'm getting better results than ever with home workouts. A set of dumbbells, body weight exercises and being innovative with furniture is doing better.

I've never felt better, I bought clothes in March before this started and they wouldn't fit me, now I have room to move in them, despite the scale showing a 2lb drop.

I'm not sure if I'll go back immeadietly. I might wait until I stop seeing results.

Cool! Well done Anti!

rubadub · 16-05-2020 2:05pm

I was cutting down branches in my garden and found a grand sturdy branch on one tree, I am able to sling a climbing rope over it and do pullups, a towel would do the job too.

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Alf Veedersane · 16-05-2020 2:12pm

rubadub wrote: »

I was cutting down branches in my garden and found a grand sturdy branch on one tree, I am able to sling a climbing rope over it and do pullups, a towel would do the job too.

Yeah saw one lad on IG doing that. Another using the flat canopy over the front door!

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2020 2:16pm

I have trees in my neighborhood ..maybe i could try..

lads back to basics this could be us!

antimatterx · 16-05-2020 2:47pm

jrosen wrote: »

Thats amazing, well done. Are you doing your own workouts or following an online program.

Doing my own workout, but I make sure I hit every body part during the week.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2020 3:46pm

I have just found out there is a calisthenics park near me! YAY!

rubadub · 16-05-2020 4:41pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I have just found out there is a calisthenics park near me! YAY!

Mine has signs from the council not to use them. There is a rugby club with pullup bars welded to 40ft containers. There are also railings that meet at a right angle so you can do dips in the corner. There are lots of things I have spotted over the years in my area, just have to be on the lookout.

ILoveYourVibes · 16-05-2020 4:42pm

rubadub wrote: »

Mine has signs from the council not to use them. There is a rugby club with pullup bars welded to 40ft containers. There are also railings that meet at a right angle so you can do dips in the corner. There are lots of things I have spotted over the years in my area, just have to be on the lookout.

I prob can't use them now. I would say after he 18th i can though.

Black Sheep · 16-05-2020 5:21pm

I just want to throw something out there relating to the discussion a few posts back and whether or not the government will be responsible for effectively closing gyms, as a result of imposing particular requirements going forward.

Whether it's a gym, pub, restaurant or whatever... Yes, it is possible that government requirements into the future could mean that businesses which already have small margins or were just not that viable to begin with would struggle to operate. That's businesses failing because of 'top down' government action.

But actually there's some evidence that there is a lot of 'bottom up' action being taken by the public in relation to how they are patronising businesses due to covid 19. Nicholas Nassim Taleb wrote an article in the FT lately where he showed that in some locations the public had already effectively begin self isolating and footfall had dropped massively in places like bars and resatarants before the government formally acted in any way. There are graphs showing mad nosedives in terms of how people were spending their money.

You can actually see this for yourself on Irish Twitter if you look back at what restaurants were reporting in the run up to the lock down. No one was eating out. The 'big parties' that occurred in Temple Bar pubs got a lot of airing but really they were the exception rather than the rule if you zoom out and consider consumer spending habits from a broader perspective.

Even if gyms were open and not closed by the government, throughout this whole thing, I suspect the hit they would have taken in terms of membership would have sunk a lot of the ones that weren't that competitive anyway.

When most sports and gym type businesses are open again - whether that's on track in August or not - I would say that the gym business is going to take a big hit no matter what. Yes, the sort of fitness fanatic probably reading this thread is going to be rushing back in, but many gyms depend on a turnover and a lot of people are not going to be coming back. Possibly not just because of covid 19. The other elephant in the room is that as a State we are spending basically billions on dealing with this public health emergency and guaranteeing income support to people, and when this is all over we're going to be in recession. And what do people do in recessions? They cut back on things like gym memberships.

Cill94 · 16-05-2020 5:47pm

Black Sheep wrote: »

And what do people do in recessions? They cut back on things like gym memberships.

I would disagree with this last part. Many people will be unable to afford the financial burden of healthcare bills from a chronic disease, making more cost-effective and preventive measures like exercise a much more appealing option.

For example, the last recession period of 2008 through to the 2010s saw a huge growth in the fitness industry, with CrossFit in particular becoming very popular.

Fitz* · 16-05-2020 6:22pm

One of my biggest regrets is during the last recession I did not using my free time to go to the gym for a couple hours every day instead of sitting at home re-watching boxsets.

caviardreams · 16-05-2020 6:37pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I prob can't use them now. I would say after he 18th i can though.

I wouldn't say so - they are potentially a high contact surface so a no-no. It would be pretty selfish to use it without fully cleaning it afterwards, including all bars etc. imo

Black Sheep · 16-05-2020 6:40pm

Cill94 wrote: »

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I would disagree with this last part. Many people will be unable to afford the financial burden of healthcare bills from a chronic disease, making more cost-effective and preventive measures like exercise a much more appealing option.

For example, the last recession period of 2008 through to the 2010s saw a huge growth in the fitness industry, with CrossFit in particular becoming very popular.

That's an interesting perspective. I am pretty sure that when a recession hits then all discretionary income takes a hit. Gym memberships, eating out, going to the cinema, weekend breaks and whatnot. But I am not an economist and don't even play one on TV, so I could be wrong.

If the fitness industry did not stumble during the last recession but in fact grew then I could stand corrected! Any links where I could read about it?

Whether I'm right or wrong about the way gyms perform in recessions, I guess it's only one of two big issues... The other being what portion of gym goers will return when restrictions are lifted. Even if it is a minority who adopt a conservative approach and stay away, and even if they 'only' do it for 1-2 years, then that's a big hit.

Relevant article here with some comments from UK chains. The comments about freezing memberships when they starting haemorrhaging memberships in March are interesting. There's also an estimate of 1 in 5 memberships falling, plans for expansion shelved etc. I guess broadly what I would have thought, to be honest.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/16/how-uk-gyms-can-survive-post-coronavirus-lockdown-health-warning-coronavirus

And Ben Dunne's business take on it here...

‘Some people will do things online, some people will exercise at home. And I think where there is good social distancing, people will want to work out in a gym or go to the gym.

‘People will not be interested, for the foreseeable future, in using facilities if there’s somebody very close by them.

‘In my opinion, people will not go into gyms that are packed, will not be going to pubs that are packed. There’s got to be a change in people’s behavior.’

https://extra.ie/2020/05/10/news/irish-news/interview-ben-dunne-gym-future

Jim Root · 16-05-2020 6:41pm

I don’t think I’ll ever set foot in my local Ben Dunne gym again. It was hardly a clean place at the best of times. Wish I hadn’t renewed in January.

Alf Veedersane · 16-05-2020 6:56pm

Black Sheep wrote: »

That's an interesting perspective. I am pretty sure that when a recession hits then all discretionary income takes a hit. Gym memberships, eating out, going to the cinema, weekend breaks and whatnot. But I am not an economist and don't even play one on TV, so I could be wrong.

If the fitness industry did not stumble during the last recession but in fact grew then I could stand corrected! Any links where I could read about it?

Must be said that this time it is a double whammy problem either way: There will be a recession, and even if the response is stimulus based this time, there will less spending money out there for businesses to compete for. And at least a portion of the public will be risk averse in terms of going back to gyms until things settle down on the Covid front (And yes, they could be waiting a while...).

Relevant article here with some comments from UK chains. The comments about freezing memberships when they starting haemorrhaging memberships in March are interesting. There's also an estimate of 1 in 5 memberships falling, plans for expansion shelved etc. I guess broadly what I would have thought, to be honest.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/16/how-uk-gyms-can-survive-post-coronavirus-lockdown-health-warning-coronavirus

I do think memberships went down in the recession. Maybe 15% or thereabouts but I may have misremembered that. But there was a surge in running groups and that kind of malarkey. So maybe the level of impact depends on what people go to the gym for. If its strength training, they're more likely to continue.

The rolling monthly contracts in the like of Flyefit and Ben Dunne may not have been as prevalent in the last recession and might make people less inclined to drop it than they would have been when it came to renewing an annual membership.

I think people's mindset around COVID-19, risk of infection etc may well be a lot different in 12 weeks and there may be less fear/anxiety around potential risk.

brianblaze · 16-05-2020 9:48pm

I think the larger places like Flyefit and Ben Dunnes places will have to stay closed longer to accommodate social distancing but smaller powerlifting style gyms (like mine!) can probably reopen with a limit on people in at a time. So an online time booking thing might make the most sense there. I'm okay with that anyway

DM_7 · 16-05-2020 10:14pm

brianblaze wrote: »

I think the larger places like Flyefit and Ben Dunnes places will have to stay closed longer to accommodate social distancing but smaller powerlifting style gyms (like mine!) can probably reopen with a limit on people in at a time. So an online time booking thing might make the most sense there. I'm okay with that anyway

Would a flyefit not be very well placed to bring in online booking and when they had 24hr openings? Just keep the changing rooms closed.

In general talk re gyms I think people can easily bring there own wipes and or sprays with them to wipe down.

I think a large amount of people would not have stopped going to the gym at all only they closed. They closed to slow down spread of the virus, not necessarily to protect the people who may catch it in the gym but those they may pass it onto. Now with the level of social distancing and cleaning people are used to it should be a lot safer to open them as planned in the later phases.

People who are vulnerable or live in close contact with vulnerable people will stay away from such places for a good time beyond that.

The financial recovery is probably a bigger issue for gyms than the number of people who would look to go there (especially the far side of summer when weather deteriorates and even more will want to get back),.

caviardreams · 16-05-2020 10:56pm

I was thinking the likes of flyefit etc. might introduce a pay per visit fee on top of existing membership fees (to cover extra cleaning and resourcing and also to limit numbers) say €3-5 per visit - it would dissuade people going 6-7 days per week, and most would probably try and make do with 2-3 sessions per week, reducing numbers.

It would also work with the online booking type system DM 7 suggests but would stop people booking lots of slots in case they wanted them but not turning up (a real risk - what would stop you booking a slot every day but then deciding you can't be bothered going) - if they had to pay for each slot it would stop this. I think if numbers are gong to be reduced members would not have too much of an issue with fees going up a bit, and extra cleaning costs have to be covered too.

I completely agree that some people would bring their own wipes and clean as they go etc. but honestly a good % of people in a big commercial gym wouldn't. I saw a guy at one of the outdoor gyms the other day (even though there are signs saying not to use it)- no bag with him or anything, all he had was himself, and no wipes etc. working from one machine to the next in a circuit.

Alf Veedersane · 16-05-2020 11:26pm

caviardreams wrote: »

I was thinking the likes of flyefit etc. might introduce a pay per visit fee on top of existing membership fees (to cover extra cleaning and resourcing and also to limit numbers) say €3-5 per visit - it would dissuade people going 6-7 days per week, and most would probably try and make do with 2-3 sessions per week, reducing numbers.

It would also work with the online booking type system DM 7 suggests but would stop people booking lots of slots in case they wanted them but not turning up (a real risk - what would stop you booking a slot every day but then deciding you can't be bothered going) - if they had to pay for each slot it would stop this. I think if numbers are gong to be reduced members would not have too much of an issue with fees going up a bit, and extra cleaning costs have to be covered too.

I completely agree that some people would bring their own wipes and clean as they go etc. but honestly a good % of people in a big commercial gym wouldn't. I saw a guy at one of the outdoor gyms the other day (even though there are signs saying not to use it)- no bag with him or anything, all he had was himself, and no wipes etc. working from one machine to the next in a circuit.

Where gyms are charging for classes, what they should do isn't necessarily charge per visit but charge per visit but is refunded when they go. That would stop people block booking because they are refunded when they go but pay when they don't. And set it at €10+. Where you need people to turn up, if you don't put a price on that, it won't go well for you. However, if classes are only open to paid up members, it won't really matter to them if they people book and don't turn up. Aren't classes capped anyway.

Realistically, they're not going to get staff to wipe down everything. The most sensible solution (purely from a business and perception perspective) would be to facilitate people doing that themselves. Sanitiser etc provided. Might be a cost associated with that but that's ok.

ILoveYourVibes · 17-05-2020 4:25am

Its August 10th officially. However I would expect it to be pushed back etc. That's only if everything goes perfectly and we have no spikes.

Obv some gyms might not open again particularly the smaller ones or places that cater to a younger market like flyefit.

Everything will have to be cleaned ..people will have to wear masks etc and wipe things down etc. Shower at home. But people will be understanding.
But gyms couldn't trust clients to wipe things down.

You might have to book machines etc in a timetable so they can be cleaned after by a member of staff.

caviardreams · 17-05-2020 11:57am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its August 10th officially. However I would expect it to be pushed back etc. That's only if everything goes perfectly and we have no spikes.

Obv some gyms might not open again particularly the smaller ones or places that cater to a younger market like flyefit.

Everything will have to be cleaned ..people will have to wear masks etc and wipe things down etc. Shower at home. But people will be understanding.
But gyms couldn't trust clients to wipe things down.

You might have to book machines etc in a timetable so they can be cleaned after by a member of staff.

I just don't think that would be financially viable for commercial gyms - the smaller PT-based models with higher margins could clean between sessions but the likes of booking an individual machine and a staff member cleaning it after is not realistic imo. As Alf says, cleaning will have to be at an individual level - there is personal responsibility to these things, but making it easier for people to comply will help a lot. What you might also get is staff patrolling the floor reminding people to clean up every so often or where they see somebody taking the p***, or having more of a visible presence so members feel "obliged" to clean more. The likes of flyefit run financially by packing in people at low prices, so their business model will need tweaking if they are to make it work.

Alf Veedersane · 17-05-2020 12:43pm

caviardreams wrote: »

I just don't think that would be financially viable for commercial gyms - the smaller PT-based models with higher margins could clean between sessions but the likes of booking an individual machine and a staff member cleaning it after is not realistic imo. As Alf says, cleaning will have to be at an individual level - there is personal responsibility to these things, but making it easier for people to comply will help a lot. What you might also get is staff patrolling the floor reminding people to clean up every so often or where they see somebody taking the p***, or having more of a visible presence so members feel "obliged" to clean more. The likes of flyefit run financially by packing in people at low prices, so their business model will need tweaking if they are to make it work.

Yup. Its not realistic that the sole responsibility for cleaning equipment is with the gym. By extension, they would have to clean every piece of equipment after someone uses it and before someone else does. Not realistic. Signs to remind people to clean equipment before they use it to protect themselves would also help more than signs to clean after to protect others.

Sheep Shagger · 17-05-2020 4:19pm

FitzShane wrote: »

A bit more self control would be required too - if you have symptoms, then stay home and don't risk the spread.

Previously, people would often have advised to try 'sweat out' a cold or flu but that won't be an option now.

This is going to be key across the entire economy whether it be entering an office or building site to work, a restaurant to eat in or a gym to exercise in - for the next 12-18 months at least.

If you are coughing or have a temperature, stay at home for everybody else's sake.

Black Sheep · 18-05-2020 6:34am

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

This is going to be key across the entire economy whether it be entering an office or building site to work, a restaurant to eat in or a gym to exercise in - for the next 12-18 months at least.

If you are coughing or have a temperature, stay at home for everybody else's sake.

One measure being discussed in a sports club I’m involved in is temperature checks on the way in to training. This has been used in healthcare settings. Takes a forehead thermometer, staff member with a mask and the willingness to politely send people home.

VonLuck · 18-05-2020 8:33am

Black Sheep wrote: »

One measure being discussed in a sports club I’m involved in is temperature checks on the way in to training. This has been used in healthcare settings. Takes a forehead thermometer, staff member with a mask and the willingness to politely send people home.

All well and good, but it won't catch people who are asymptomatic unfortunately.

Black Sheep · 18-05-2020 8:39am

VonLuck wrote: »

All well and good, but it won't catch people who are asymptomatic unfortunately.

Sure, there are no easy answers to that. But that doesn’t mean measures to mitigate other risks aren’t worth implementing:)

In this case the person running a temperature who either doesn’t realise it or knows but still insists on turning up to training. Pre Covid 19 I’d have seen people come to training clearly coughing and sneezing, there wouldn’t have been the same awareness that this isn’t really acceptable. Different times!

VonLuck · 18-05-2020 8:57am

Black Sheep wrote: »

Sure, there are no easy answers to that. But that doesn’t mean measures to mitigate other risks aren’t worth implementing:)

In this case the person running a temperature who either doesn’t realise it or knows but still insists on turning up to training. Pre Covid 19 I’d have seen people come to training clearly coughing and sneezing, there wouldn’t have been the same awareness that this isn’t really acceptable. Different times!

Oh I know, just making the observation in case anyone thinks it's a catch all solution.

There will always be a risk no matter how many measures are put in place, unless you're literally in a hermetically sealed bubble! It ultimately comes down to whether people are happy to take the risks.

ILoveYourVibes · 18-05-2020 10:59am

There is a lot of time wasted in going to the gym getting there etc. For most people its not necessary. They can get perfectly good workouts at home.

I think a lot of people will realize if they are going to have the motivation to do it then they will have the motivation at home too.

They say 4 out of 5 gym memberships go unused.

Cleaning your machine etc the risks...will just be more reasons not to go for people who already maybe don't always like the gym.

Alf Veedersane · 18-05-2020 1:07pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

There is a lot of time wasted in going to the gym getting there etc. For most people its not necessary. They can get perfectly good workouts at home.

I think a lot of people will realize if they are going to have the motivation to do it then they will have the motivation at home too

Motivation to do so is no replacement for free weights and machines

You can get a decent workout at home. You won't improve your strength by much without the means to do so and for that you need a range of weights. Only so much you can do with bands and the small amount of dumbbells or kettlebells some people may have

ILoveYourVibes · 18-05-2020 1:18pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Motivation to do so is no replacement for free weights and machines

You can get a decent workout at home. You won't improve your strength by much without the means to do so and for that you need a range of weights. Only so much you can do with bands and the small amount of dumbbells or kettlebells some people may have

You can use body weight etc. Its enough for most people.

You can still get to the threshold needed to improve things like bone density etc

For a lot of people who just want to be healthy that is all they want.

Im not suggesting people here should stop going.

But for people with busy lives etc. Its easier to work out at home.

If your goal is to lift a certain amount in a deadlift ...then obv you need a gym.

ILoveYourVibes · 18-05-2020 1:24pm

Im actually thinking of buying a barbell for myself though and some weights.

I want to improve deadlifts for exactly that preventing low bone density as I age in my back. I don't need a bench i can use the ground

I run so that's the lower body bone density taken care of ..i just worry about the spine and the shoulders.

I already have a few sets of dumbells.

Anyone hazard a guess for when the gyms will re-open

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