Criminal Inquiry launched into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation

notobtuse · 28-10-2019 7:19pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You clearly have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

It's exactly BECAUSE a rigged game does not benefit justice that the Durham-Barr investigation is underway. You do realise that there is a lot of evidence to show that the FBI was not honest with the FISA courts:

And that's before we get to the fact the court wasn't informed the DNC funded the dossier, let alone everything surrounding Brennan's role and how he has contradicted himself on important issues.

Then there's Mifsud of course .. but that's all a conspiracy theory, right?

Cockroaches never like the lights being turned on.

Spencerfreeman · 29-10-2019 12:51pm

Overheal wrote: »

See above partisan cudgel who forgot that birthergate was an attempt to overthrow Obama on an unfounded technicality/conspiracy theory

Obama never did produce the long form Birth cert. he was asked for, did he?
He'll never get a job in the Civil Service here.

notobtuse · 29-10-2019 2:12pm

“The walls are closing in on Trump!” How many times have we heard that from Democrats and their media propaganda machine since before the Orange Overlord even took office?

Some of us have been semi-patiently sitting through the calm before the soft-coup hurricane revelation hits. Thankfully, for justice sake, that big ole storm has arrived... not for Trump but for Democrats who thought they could destroy an opponent's campaign, and then reverse the results of the 2016 election, by hook or by crook... and get away with it.

But recent events of going after the real bad guys and gals is not all roses. I’m not delusional, as the deep state remains powerful in Washington, and the DNC, officials in the Obama administration and his appointed justice cronies might only get a slap on the wrist for all their many wrongdoings and seemingly illegal actions... but it’s something. And hopefully something enough to cause a red tide in the 2020 election with Republicans ending up controlling the presidency, the Senate and the House by a fairly good margin. And just think what Trump can do with a majority control of Congress and a few more Supreme Court picks in a second term. MAGA on steroids!

Clear skies ahead!

Outlaw Pete · 29-10-2019 2:35pm

notobtuse wrote: »

“The walls are closing in on Trump!” How many times have we heard that from Democrats and their media propaganda machine..

Just a few ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLEchPZm318

James Brown · 29-10-2019 2:37pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Cockroaches never like the lights being turned on.

'I always look orange': Trump rails against energy-efficient light bulbs and Democratic environmental policies

Indeedin they don't.

notobtuse · 29-10-2019 3:05pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Just a few ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLEchPZm318

Don't you just love it when the media handmaidens take the cues from their Democratic masters and run with it? The media should also be looked into with the criminal investigation to see what part they played in advancing and giving cover for all the wrongdoing by Democrats.

Overheal · 29-10-2019 3:15pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Don't you just love it when the media handmaidens take the cues from their Democratic masters and run with it? The media should also be looked into with the criminal investigation to see what part they played in advancing and giving cover for all the wrongdoing by Democrats.

They’d have to start with all the phone calls and text messages shared between the White House and Fox News pundits. Exhibit A

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6165129-Texts-Messages-Between-Paul-Manafort-Sean-Hannity.html

Whoops.

James Brown · 29-10-2019 4:05pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Don't you just love it when the media handmaidens take the cues from their Democratic masters and run with it? The media should also be looked into with the criminal investigation to see what part they played in advancing and giving cover for all the wrongdoing by Democrats.

Think about what you post regularly. 'The media' is out to get Trump and the Republican top tier. The media beholden to 'the Clintons'.
Does this not all sound quite bizarre to you?

Every media outlet except those who openly support Trump is not only wrong but purposefully so. Think about that.

notobtuse · 29-10-2019 4:25pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Think about what you post regularly. 'The media' is out to get Trump and the Republican top tier. The media beholden to 'the Clintons'.
Does this not all sound quite bizarre to you?

Every media outlet except those who openly support Trump is not only wrong but purposefully so. Think about that.

A study shows media Trump hatred is collaborated by 92% negative coverage of his presidency. That was a year ago. It must be over 98% by now.

Dang facts... pesky things, aren’t they.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-trump-hatred-coverage/

James Brown · 29-10-2019 4:30pm

notobtuse wrote: »

A study shows media Trump hatred is collaborated by 92% negative coverage of his presidency. That was a year ago. It must be over 98% by now.

Dang facts... pesky things, aren’t they.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-trump-hatred-coverage/

What you call hate is actually negative reporting. It's willfully confusing reporting Trump stories, generally negative even just based on his own tweets, and outright journalistic assassination.
Reporting what he says and does is not hate. If the stories and his own tweets are negative, you are holding the wrong people responsible.

Overheal · 29-10-2019 4:42pm

notobtuse wrote: »

A study shows media Trump hatred is collaborated by 92% negative coverage of his presidency. That was a year ago. It must be over 98% by now.

Dang facts... pesky things, aren’t they.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-trump-hatred-coverage/

Dang pesky confirmation bias

The Media Research Center is America’s premier media watchdog. Since 1987, the MRC has worked to expose and neutralize the propaganda arm of the Left: the national news media.

The MRC’s commitment to neutralizing leftist bias in the news media and popular culture has had a critical impact on the way Americans view the liberal media.

Why would I trust their opinion on what coverage was negative? Did it matter to them if the coverage was factual?

notobtuse · 29-10-2019 5:45pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What you call hate is actually negative reporting. It's willfully confusing reporting Trump stories, generally negative even just based on his own tweets, and outright journalistic assassination.
Reporting what he says and does is not hate. If the stories and his own tweets are negative, you are holding the wrong people responsible.

If Barack Obama, in 8 years, would have achieved a tenth of what Trump has achieved for this country in 3 years the media would have been demanding Obama’s face be added to Mount Rushmore and to replace George Washington on the One Dollar Bill.

Spencerfreeman · 29-10-2019 5:50pm

notobtuse wrote: »

If Barack Obama, in 8 years, would have achieved a tenth of what Trump has achieved for this country in 3 years the media would have been demanding Obama’s face be added to Mount Rushmore and to replace George Washington on the One Dollar Bill.

Whilst being extra careful not to obscure the pyramid on the Dollar bill of course

Overheal · 29-10-2019 5:54pm

notobtuse wrote: »

If Barack Obama, in 8 years, would have achieved a tenth of what Trump has achieved for this country in 3 years the media would have been demanding Obama’s face be added to Mount Rushmore and to replace George Washington on the One Dollar Bill.

What has he even accomplished besides a tax cut and a stolen scotus seat?

Boggles · 29-10-2019 5:59pm

Overheal wrote: »

What has he even accomplished besides a tax cut and a stolen scotus seat?

You are about to get a copy and paste from the propaganda wing of the White House.

Spencerfreeman · 29-10-2019 6:05pm

Overheal wrote: »

What has he even accomplished besides a tax cut and a stolen scotus seat?

Well he's wound up more people that Claus the cuckoo clock maker.

James Brown · 29-10-2019 6:12pm

notobtuse wrote: »

If Barack Obama, in 8 years, would have achieved a tenth of what Trump has achieved for this country in 3 years the media would have been demanding Obama’s face be added to Mount Rushmore and to replace George Washington on the One Dollar Bill.

No. Certainly not.
He's been a disaster for the environment, health and human rights. He courts dictators and insults U.S. allies. He's destroyed the U.S. legal system by stacking it with biased unqualified judiciary. He's racist and sexist. So, hard no.

notobtuse · 29-10-2019 6:19pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

No. Certainly not.
He's been a disaster for the environment, health and human rights. He courts dictators and insults U.S. allies. He's destroyed the U.S. legal system by stacking it with biased unqualified judiciary. He's racist and sexist. So, hard no.

Nice Democratic talking points. Any substance to those claims?

Overheal · 29-10-2019 6:20pm

notobtuse wrote: »

Nice Democratic talking points. Any substance to those claims?

Woah horse it’s still your turn to substantiate claims

notobtuse · 30-10-2019 2:48pm

No wonder the three investigations are taking so long about the crimes committed against the Trump campaign and then against him once he took office. The more information that is uncovered the higher up the Democrat slime chain it goes. Now reports are coming out that it was the Obama administration that set in motion Democrats’ coup against Trump.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/28/how-the-obama-administration-set-in-motion-democrats-coup-against-trump/

The Democrats goal of impeachment at any cost kinda makes sense now... To politically hurt Trump enough in the eyes of the voters that he loses the election so a Democrat president can provide a pardon, en masse, for all the illegal activities of Obama and his officials for their part in the attempted coup against Trump.

Overheal · 30-10-2019 2:54pm

I’d take anything from the federalist with salt.

I see you’ve dodged substantiating your previous claims too

notobtuse · 31-10-2019 3:06pm

Durham might be close to finishing his findings on why the Obama administration ordered secret surveillance and investigations of figures in Trump’s campaign... which just so happened to be the opposing political party. Although most of the characters of the Obama administration in the criminal investigation are unlikely to emerge unscathed, the only ones most likely to be prosecuted are James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper. It would be too big a strain on the US economy building a jail big enough to hold all those involved in the criminal activity. But it would put a historical and permanent big ole black mark on Barack Obama’s administration.

What does the DNC do as the investigations relate to the election? Does it throw Biden to the wolves and give Warren the Golden Ticket? If Biden does win the primary he would be spending the entire election having to defend his party and Barack Obama’s dirty tricks of 2016 and again after Trump became POTUS. Good luck with that! It’s a losing proposition that would hand Trump reelection.

notobtuse · 31-10-2019 4:06pm

The elevation in status of the Durham investigation to a criminal inquiry means he will be able to subpoena witnesses, file charges, and impanel grand juries. Seems Durham also has a good idea of who's involved in the crimes and what the charges might be. You don’t impanel a grand jury unless you are going to indict people.

I guess many in the DNC and Obama administration now have reason to sweat. Too bad, I guess, Hillary didn’t win and all the wrongdoing would have been swept under the rug.

In unrelated news online searches for "countries that do not extradite to the United States" have skyrocketed.

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 4:38pm

notobtuse wrote: »

The elevation in status of the Durham investigation to a criminal inquiry means he will be able to subpoena witnesses, file charges, and impanel grand juries. Seems Durham also has a good idea of who's involved in the crimes and what the charges might be. You don’t impanel a grand jury unless you are going to indict people.

I guess many in the DNC and Obama administration now have reason to sweat. Too bad, I guess, Hillary didn’t win and all the wrongdoing would have been swept under the rug.

In unrelated news online searches for "countries that do not extradite to the United States" have skyrocketed.

I am now certain, that they and others are going down. Big time.
I hope Trump brings both himself and his family to a very secure bunker.

notobtuse · 31-10-2019 6:23pm

From numerous media reports now out, it appears that the so-called ‘whistleblower’ (who had no direct knowledge of the Trump phone call to the Ukraine president) is Eric Ciaramella. He is a 33 year old CIA analyst who once worked for former CIA Director John Brennan (insert shocked face here).

Now, how does this relate to the Barr/Durham/Horowitz criminal investigations you may ask? Well..

Ciaramella worked with a Democratic National Committee operative who dug up dirt on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election, inviting her into the White House for meetings, former White House colleagues said. The operative, Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American who supported Hillary Clinton, led an effort to link the Republican campaign to the Russian government. “He knows her. He had her in the White House,” said one former co-worker, who requested anonymity to discuss the sensitive matter.

Seems this Ciaramella guy might just be under investigation, himself, for taking part in the soft-coup attempt (AKA interference in the 2016 Election) against Trump. No wonder Democrats won't allow the 'whistleblower' to testify or be questioned in their kangaroo court.

I no longer post in the Trump impeachment thread because I brought these investigations into the picture, as they were interconnected... Which anyone could figure out who'd bother to read news from sources other than media outlets that take their marching orders from the DNC. Seems I was probably RIGHT ONCE AGAIN! Fancy that!

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/10/31/may-introduce-young-man-believed-tried-remove-sitting-president-pssst-also-tried-interfere-2016-election/

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 6:28pm

notobtuse wrote: »

From numerous media reports now out, it appears that the so-called ‘whistleblower’ (who had no direct knowledge of the Trump phone call to the Ukraine president) is Eric Ciaramella. He is a 33 year old CIA analyst who once worked for former CIA Director John Brennan (insert shocked face here).

Now, how does this relate to the Barr/Durham/Horowitz criminal investigations you may ask? Well..

Seems this Ciaramella guy might just be under investigation, himself, for taking part in the soft-coup attempt (AKA interference in the 2016 Election) against Trump. No wonder Democrats won't allow the 'whistleblower' to testify or be questioned in their kangaroo court.

I no longer post in the Trump impeachment because I brought these investigations into the picture, as they were interconnected... Which anyone who would bother to read news from sources other than media outlets that take their marching orders from the DNC. Seems I was probably RIGHT ONCE AGAIN! Fancy that!

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/10/31/may-introduce-young-man-believed-tried-remove-sitting-president-pssst-also-tried-interfere-2016-election/

I've discovered that actual reading is a problem here.

notobtuse · 31-10-2019 6:30pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

I've discovered that actual reading is a problem here.

Unless it comes from The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, MSLSD, or any of the other DNC handmaiden media outlets, it must not be true... I guess.

Cody montana · 31-10-2019 7:17pm

notobtuse wrote: »

From numerous media reports now out, it appears that the so-called ‘whistleblower’ (who had no direct knowledge of the Trump phone call to the Ukraine president) is Eric Ciaramella. He is a 33 year old CIA analyst who once worked for former CIA Director John Brennan (insert shocked face here).

Now, how does this relate to the Barr/Durham/Horowitz criminal investigations you may ask? Well..

Seems this Ciaramella guy might just be under investigation, himself, for taking part in the soft-coup attempt (AKA interference in the 2016 Election) against Trump. No wonder Democrats won't allow the 'whistleblower' to testify or be questioned in their kangaroo court.

I no longer post in the Trump impeachment thread because I brought these investigations into the picture, as they were interconnected... Which anyone could figure out who'd bother to read news from sources other than media outlets that take their marching orders from the DNC. Seems I was probably RIGHT ONCE AGAIN! Fancy that!

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/10/31/may-introduce-young-man-believed-tried-remove-sitting-president-pssst-also-tried-interfere-2016-election/

What about the multiple other witnesses?

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 7:20pm

Cody montana wrote: »

What about the multiple other witnesses?

Don't you believe that the NSA record ALL phone calls?

No witness's required.

Where's the tape?

notobtuse · 31-10-2019 7:45pm

Cody montana wrote: »

What about the multiple other witnesses?

With 70,000 employees you get differences of opinion on policies. Differences of opinion isn’t an impeachable offense. But criminal investigations aren’t done for differences of opinions, they are done because crimes were determined to have happened.

Overheal · 31-10-2019 7:49pm

notobtuse wrote: »

With 70,000 employees you get differences of opinion on policies. Differences of opinion isn’t an impeachable offense. But criminal investigations aren’t done for differences of opinions, they are done because crimes were determined to have happened.

Like the one that found Trump was involved (nay, orchestrated crimes) as an unindicted coconspirator?

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 7:51pm

Overheal wrote: »

Like the one that found Trump was involved (nay, orchestrated crimes) as an unindicted coconspirator?

Some people are going to need counselling when this dog and pony show ends they are so invested in it.

Overheal · 31-10-2019 7:55pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

Some people are going to need counselling when this dog and pony show ends they are so invested in it.

Like who?

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 8:01pm

Overheal wrote: »

Like who?

Those that are so blinded by propaganda that they cannot see.

Overheal · 31-10-2019 8:05pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

Those that are so blinded by propaganda that they cannot see.

Ah yes I hope they are well after this.

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 8:08pm

Overheal wrote: »

Ah yes I hope they are well after this.

I get ya. Obviously I hope you're wrong.

Overheal · 31-10-2019 8:25pm

Spencerfreeman wrote: »

I get ya. Obviously I hope you're wrong.

Why would you hope people are unwell?

Spencerfreeman · 31-10-2019 8:27pm

Overheal wrote: »

Why would you hope people are unwell?

Oh, I thought you meant me. I'm not.

Overheal · 01-11-2019 3:35am

Speaking of 'Russiagate' though,

"Reporter Tierney Sneed summed up the White House’s rough day by noting that Judge Jackson made one of the DOJ attorneys reaffirm that he still believed in judicial review, the foundational power of the courts to evaluate the constitutionality of the legislative and executive branches’ actions, as established in 1803.

“A DOJ attorney just had to assure a federal judge that he’s ‘with her’ on Marbury v. Madison, if you’re wondering how things are going for the Trump administration in the McGahn subpoena lawsuit,” Sneed tweeted about the exchange."

ouch.

The court rejected the DOJ attempt to enforce former government employees from complying with congressional subpoena. Don McGahn has been under subpoena for about 6 months now.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/federal-judge-rejects-dojs-argument-over-don-mcgahn-subpoena-in-court/

I guess that's the outcome when your argument is to contend that your branch is not subject to checks or balances of one of the others.

MadYaker · 01-11-2019 10:54am

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Lads, it's a waste of tax payer money and a stunt. Nothing will come of it. He's basically chasing down people for investigating the democratic system wasn't compromised. He's as credible as Barr...not at all.

Now you sound like a trump supporter talking about the impeachment enquiry or the mueller investigation. Maybe they will find something maybe they won’t but just let them at it would be my advice.

I’ll never understand this need to pick sides in politics, and the mental gymnastics people go through to avoid condemnation of their chosen side is mad. I’ll always support any investigation into anyone in any position of power. So what if it comes up empty handed?? If the court documents were indeed fiddled I hope they find the truth.

Ihatewhahabies · 01-11-2019 11:00am

SJW Lover wrote: »

It's difficult to follow as Fox News are skewed one way and MSNBC/CNN etc are completely skewed the other way. Stick to what the actual quotes are and the actual documents and avoid having your opinion told to you by the talking heads who are there to exaggerate or obfuscate according to their own agenda. A mistake the prominent posters on this site make every day when forming their opinions on US politics.

I get most of my info for all the Russian conspiracy stuff from Lee Stranahan, Larry Johnston and a couple of web sites such as moon of Alabama...Much easier to follow than Fox (which I do not have anymore...not sure if I miss it...but my blood pressure is normal) or cnn was never great...

Ihatewhahabies · 01-11-2019 11:19am

I am grasping the straw that the types of politicians/military/business people that he annoys are the type of people I dislike enormously.

Ihatewhahabies · 01-11-2019 11:25am

notobtuse wrote: »

Durham might be close to finishing his findings on why the Obama administration ordered secret surveillance and investigations of figures in Trump’s campaign... which just so happened to be the opposing political party. Although most of the characters of the Obama administration in the criminal investigation are unlikely to emerge unscathed, the only ones most likely to be prosecuted are James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper. It would be too big a strain on the US economy building a jail big enough to hold all those involved in the criminal activity. But it would put a historical and permanent big ole black mark on Barack Obama’s administration.

What does the DNC do as the investigations relate to the election? Does it throw Biden to the wolves and give Warren the Golden Ticket? If Biden does win the primary he would be spending the entire election having to defend his party and Barack Obama’s dirty tricks of 2016 and again after Trump became POTUS. Good luck with that! It’s a losing proposition that would hand Trump reelection.

Will Comey, Brennan and clapper turn state witnesses against their masters?

The DNC may go the Warren route but I am praying for Tulsi

Ihatewhahabies · 01-11-2019 11:36am

notobtuse wrote: »

So Attorney General William Barr’s investigation into the 2016 spying on Trump's campaign is now a criminal probe. Is the curtain on the biggest crime the USA has ever faced about to be lifted?

From reports over the last two years that the DNC's media handmaidens don't seem to want us to know... John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Rod Rosenstein, Sally Yates, Bruce Ohr, Andrew Weissmannm, Loretta Elizabeth Lynch, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Samantha Jane Power, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama might want to lawyer up.

Oh, wait… some already have after the news broke that it’s now a criminal investigation.

If they’ve done nothing wrong they’ve got nothing to hide, right? That’s the standard Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler has applied to the Trump White House... while violating every historic precedent and simple common decency.

I do hope the criminal investigations and reports from Barr, Durham and Horowitz get to the bottom of the crimes committed in in the election campaign and potential coup once Trump was elected, and exposes the real criminals... and doesn't follow the DNC’s playbook of justice of guilt first, fill in the blanks later, and then have a show trial.

Or should it be what is good for the goose is good for the gander?

What is really good from this investigation...No leaks....

Ihatewhahabies · 01-11-2019 11:42am

Gringo180 wrote: »

Its hard not to break your boll0x laughing when the Americans are criticising other nations for meddling in there elections, there the masters of it, I wouldn't say every nation on the planet combined have interfered in Elections more than the Americans since WW2. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

In fact what blows my mind is that they brought their own form of colour revolution back home...If people started to demonstrate perhaps "unknown snipers" may start killing people and the security forces to bring more chaos....Will it come to that...perhaps after 2021

Ihatewhahabies · 01-11-2019 12:50pm

Gatling wrote: »

Case in point trump in Syria turned about face and gave Putin what he wanted ........

Did he really.

As far as I understand American troops are returning to eastern syria. But there is a lot of contradictory information coming out, I suspect that Syria is doing what Sun tze stated appear weak when u r strong...As in Aleppo and palmyra after initial stages there seems to be a deliberate muddying of waters, e.g. turk supported FSA/SNA attacking Syrian troops.

Might take a brake from researching Syria till a bit of clarity emerges

Overheal · 01-11-2019 2:32pm

Ihatewhahabies wrote: »

What is really good from this investigation...No leaks....

Well it’s not a congressional investigation. Either party in control of a panel will end up leaking whatever they think favors them (the Nunes memo?)

notobtuse · 01-11-2019 5:09pm

Ihatewhahabies wrote: »

Will Comey, Brennan and clapper turn state witnesses against their masters?

Not if they want to keep breathing.

Democrats are extremely disciplined. I think they will fall on their swords in hopes of a presidential pardon some time in the near future.

notobtuse · 01-11-2019 5:48pm

If the Durham investigation turns up criminal or unethical behavior on the part of Obama Administration officials, and this Ciaramella guy happens to be both the 'whistleblower' and someone who was involved in influencing the illegal FISA warrants, put your money on Trump immediately. And if it is Ciaramella and he orchestrated his 'whistleblower' complaint for the sole purpose of triggering an impeachment inquiry, and it is determined he coordinated his efforts with Shiff’s office, the Democrats can kiss their majority in the House goodbye.

Rather odd that Democrats now no longer want the ‘whistleblower’ to participate in the process after promising he would testify, and the ‘whistleblower’s’ attorneys have broken off negotiations with the House to testify. Something is rotten in Washington and the villains seem to all have a (D) behind their names.

Overheal · 01-11-2019 6:16pm

When did the whistleblower promise he would testify I must have missed that. The rest of your post is speculative and I think it would be a stretch to imply this guy had anything to do with the FISA issues

Criminal Inquiry launched into the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation

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