UFC 259

darced · 07-03-2021 7:26am

Izzy doesn't have the full game yet to compete up there.

AbusesToilets · 07-03-2021 7:26am

hawaii501 wrote: »

Jan landed a big right in the last and there wasn't even a mention. Ridiculous bias

Had that lovely inside kick too, fecking crickets

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 7:26am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

2 49-45s wow. You wouldn't expect that going by the commentary.

I'm never normally one for calling bias on the commentators but tonight was so overt it was annoying!

07-03-2021 7:27am

BrentMused wrote: »

Rogan and co don't understand the scoring criteria at all.

Honestly like they obviously have to have serious amounts of knowledge but they really don't get it across. Too tired to remember which one but there was a fight where it was on the ground and Rogan literally 3 times in 12-15 seconds said "Big trouble!" then the one on the bottom would transition out and "Big trouble" and again and then it just petered out.
For striking it's just unreal. Was it round 2 in the main event they said Blachowicz was stunned/hurt/in trouble when he so very clearly wasn't?

FileNotFound · 07-03-2021 7:27am

darced wrote: »

Izzy doesn't have the full game yet to compete up there.

Unfair, the man went up big time.

Jan fought well.

Izzy is great, just wasn't ready for this challenge.

Needed more time and size.

BrentMused · 07-03-2021 7:28am

darced · 07-03-2021 7:29am

FileNotFound wrote: »

Unfair, the man went up big time.

Jan fought well.

Izzy is great, just wasn't ready for this challenge.

Needed more time and size.

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying man:)

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 7:30am

Love that Jan has now defended.

Much like I was saying about Aljo earlier, Jan has been paying his dues for a long time and I love when guys like him get their days in the sun.

Like Bisping before him, he won't go down as one of the GOATS but will spend the rest of his life as a Champion. And guys who put into the sport what these guys have deserve it!

07-03-2021 7:31am

Love how Jan acknowledged Glover just there.
Not Rogan's finest hour...

eagle eye · 07-03-2021 7:33am

Great performance from Jan.
Enjoyed the interviews afterwards, two good guys.
Jan showing lots of respect to Glover. He's a real champion.

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 7:34am

eagle eye wrote: »

Great performance from Jan.
Enjoyed the interviews afterwards, two good guys.
Jan showing lots of respect to Glover. He's a real champion.

Would love to see Glover get his hands on the gold too. Great guy and has fought absolutely everybody

07-03-2021 7:35am

Absolute stinker of a main card in the end. Other than the illegal knee nothing changed anything. Nunes is clearly ahead of everyone else, a light heavyweight dominated a middleweight on the ground and Makhachev kept his streak against an unranked opponent.

US2 · 07-03-2021 7:35am

Joe Rolan needs to pack it in. Sickening bias. Casual viewer would think izzy was dominant. He implemented Aljo was winning too before foul. Sicken

MrStuffins · 07-03-2021 7:37am

Anik: "Someone in the corner gave bad advice"

Yan's corner: "Just punch!! Just punch!!"

Mellor · 07-03-2021 7:46am

SDTimeout wrote: »

Genuinely think I have a good chance to qualify for ADCC this september in the European trials -66kg, and hoping to get an oppourtinity if it arises on the cage warriors grappling thing they were hinting at before christmas, or polaris some point in 2021. Hoping to go to Norway at some point this year to train in Wulfing House with Tommy and Espen too. Competitions tentatively announced for summer already in the UK, so if i've to drive over on the ferry to do it I'll be doing them. Can't wait to compete again. What about you, much if any rolling over the last year? I saw Lachlan has had to close for extended periods of the last year too,

I was pretty lucky in Sydney. Gym closed from March-may. In that time I did only 3 sessions with a single partner. But we’ve been open full time since June.
Melbourne an extended lockdowns up to recently. Lachlan only got out of the state recently. I’ll be training with him next week.
Thinking about giving ADCC trials a go myself. I’ve no shot. But will set up future trips.

FileNotFound · 07-03-2021 7:48am

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolute stinker of a main card in the end. Other than the illegal knee nothing changed anything. Nunes is clearly ahead of everyone else, a light heavyweight dominated a middleweight on the ground and Makhachev kept his streak against an unranked opponent.

Have to agree.

Never expected anything special except a Jan knockout in main event and kind of enjoyed the suspense.

Izzy can drop and defend now, rebuild and go from there.

Nunes running out of victims at this stage.

Yan should have an easy win in the next fight between them, he was miles ahead. Totally different class.

Fromvert · 07-03-2021 8:34am

Izzy off his back, so disappointed. Absolute rookie, his plan was to close guard, is it 2003 again?

Him and Gaethje in two recent title fights, clearly both do next to zero training from their back. What other sports have athletes with such extreme deficiencies competing for the biggest prizes. Izzy looks like he'd get worked on the ground by BJJ hobbiests.

Izzy's blood and brains would be on the mat against Jones. I'm shocked how bad he was.

Zero-Cool · 07-03-2021 9:50am

Beaming for Jan, had him winning but was expecting to see Izzy get his hand raised. I really like Megan but WTF was that! Nunes needs some proper competition. And WTF was Yan thinking! Aljo looked like someone who didn't know how he should be feeling which is completely understandable.

Mellor · 07-03-2021 10:57am

rob316 wrote: »

Yan says he asked his corner is it ok to hit him and he kneed him. No way an experienced corner like ATP tell him that.

Not sure who ATP refers to. But his corner where the Russian lads. They'd possibly be used to rulesets where knees to downed opponents are allowed.

US2 wrote: »

The judges will go unnoticed now because of the foul, 1 had aljo ahead that Is sickening

I don't see what's crazy about Stirling being ahead. The first two rounds were close. That scoring was only based on the first 3 rounds.

I think he shock at that result is being led by the 4th.

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm opening my 6th can of cider here and I'm still sober enough to know what is genuine and what's not. Sterling threw down the belt after being awarded the decision. Says all I need to know about whether he was acting or not. The man should be getting an oscar for that performance if he was acting.

Taking off the belt proves he wasn't playing up? Lol. How do you arrive a that conclusion. I think you should rewatch when sober. On what planet does anyone celebrate that win? regardless of acting.
Being shocked at the belt. Dramatically throwing it down. Sitting on the mat for ages. If somebody was acting it up, I'd expect them to do all that.

Deleted User wrote: »

Someone's triggered by a fact. Sterling was not acting. Yan is a cheat. Get over it, move on from being wrong.

They are not mutually exclusive. The knee was 100% illegal. That doesn't mean that Sterling wasn't also making the most of it.
It was illegal. Yan deserved the DQ. But a bit silly to suggest he did it to cheat when he was cruising to a win at that point.

Sterling shouldn't he handicapped by a foul. He has the right to not continue, unfortunately that means he wins the belt in bad fashion. It's not how he wanted to win it obviously. But it was pretty clear that once he decided he wasn't going to continue (as he's entitled to) he also decided to "make it clear", for what of a better description. Fighters who get sparked out cold are usually up on their feet quicker than Sterling - who wasn't knocked out.

Yan lifting his hand, make him look a bit clueless.

Mellor · 07-03-2021 3:20pm

Fromvert wrote: »

Izzy off his back, so disappointed. Absolute rookie, his plan was to close guard, is it 2003 again?

Izzy looks like he'd get worked on the ground by BJJ hobbiests.

He’s not an advanced grappler. Probably needs more mat time. He was recently promoted to purple at Atos fwiw.
The main reason he’d struggled on the mat is that he was giving up 20lbs. That’s bad enough at the best of times, but it’s detrimental when your in the bottom.

simongurnick · 07-03-2021 3:41pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Honestly like they obviously have to have serious amounts of knowledge but they really don't get it across. Too tired to remember which one but there was a fight where it was on the ground and Rogan literally 3 times in 12-15 seconds said "Big trouble!" then the one on the bottom would transition out and "Big trouble" and again and then it just petered out.
For striking it's just unreal. Was it round 2 in the main event they said Blachowicz was stunned/hurt/in trouble when he so very clearly wasn't?

In the Nunes fight, Amanda's first attack she exploded with a right but it basically missed and grazed andersons head. Rogan is all " woah, ooh!!!" As if he's a fan with a few drinks on board.
Then when he interviews Jan B he talks about him fighting middleweight years ago and Jan has to tell him he never fought middle.
Too much dmt and doob for Joe

07-03-2021 4:08pm

Adesanya looked poor on his back but he was under a guy who had at least 20 pounds on him for 6 minutes and took basically no damage. There's plenty who could've looked a lot better and taken a ton more damage.

07-03-2021 4:11pm

simongurnick wrote: »

In the Nunes fight, Amanda's first attack she exploded with a right but it basically missed and grazed andersons head. Rogan is all " woah, ooh!!!" As if he's a fan with a few drinks on board.
Then when he interviews Jan B he talks about him fighting middleweight years ago and Jan has to tell him he never fought middle.
Too much dmt and doob for Joe

Felt bad for Blachowicz in that interview. Pretty sure earlier in the night the 3 commentators were all on about how he used to fight at middleweight.
As much as the LH division isn't in a great place right now it strikes me as pretty unprofessional and small-time that they're basically running it down. It's something I noticed most of the night though, the commentary was insipid banter that was like a few mates watching the fight, it didn't add to the spectacle or sense of occasion at all.

simongurnick · 07-03-2021 4:14pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Felt bad for Blachowicz in that interview. Pretty sure earlier in the night the 3 commentators were all on about how he used to fight at middleweight.
As much as the LH division isn't in a great place right now it strikes me as pretty unprofessional and small-time that they're basically running it down. It's something I noticed most of the night though, the commentary was insipid banter that was like a few mates watching the fight, it didn't add to the spectacle or sense of occasion at all.

Yeah, DC has some great analysis of the ground game but then ruins it with just nonsense chit chat in between.

Utopia Parkway · 07-03-2021 4:23pm

I had Jan winning 3 rounds to 2 but I really don't know where they got a 10-8 round from. Jan clearly won the last two rounds but he really just held Izzy down and did very little damage. Neither a 10-8 round for me but the right fighter won in the end anyway I guess.

eagle eye · 07-03-2021 4:33pm

simongurnick wrote:

Yeah, DC has some great analysis of the ground game but then ruins it with just nonsense chit chat in between.

Rogan is the problem. If you had Felder or Bisping they'd have their homework done. I'm not mentioning Cruz because he was on the card.
All three are a serious upgrade on the clueless Rogan.

Still Ill · 07-03-2021 4:53pm

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

I had Jan winning 3 rounds to 2 but I really don't know where they got a 10-8 round from. Jan clearly won the last two rounds but he really just held Izzy down and did very little damage. Neither a 10-8 round for me but the right fighter won in the end anyway I guess.

Yeah, I'm struggling to see that as a 10-8 too.. From what I can recall, Izzy was kinda winning the first half of the round, then Jan took him down and did very little apart from a final flourish of punches. Maybe I'm wrong in what constitutes a 10-8 though.

eagle eye wrote: »

Rogan is the problem. If you had Felder or Bisping they'd have their homework done. I'm not mentioning Cruz because he was on the card.
All three are a serious upgrade on the clueless Rogan.

Felder is the best colour commentator imo, although I do enjoy DC and Rogan despite their obvious flaws.. Really don't enjoy Cruz at all.

I'm surprised the DQ has turned out to be such a talking point. Can't understand the point of view that Sterling should feel obliged to risk the win bonus and title out of some sort of obligation to entertain the viewers. It's his family's finances and even more importantly his own health on the line.

eagle eye · 07-03-2021 5:49pm

Still Ill wrote:

I'm surprised the DQ has turned out to be such a talking point. Can't understand the point of view that Sterling should feel obliged to risk the win bonus and title out of some sort of obligation to entertain the viewers. It's his family's finances and even more importantly his own health on the line.

Well personally I'm of the opinion that Sterling gets the win but it should be an automatic rematch for the title.
Like it's clear Yan made a mistake, it wasn't a case of him trying to get away with something. He was clearly going to win the fight as Sterling was very tired.

Still Ill · 07-03-2021 6:11pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Well personally I'm of the opinion that Sterling gets the win but it should be an automatic rematch for the title.
Like it's clear Yan made a mistake, it wasn't a case of him trying to get away with something. He was clearly going to win the fight as Sterling was very tired.

Agree 100%. It was a clear mistake and they need to run it back, but Sterling had to get the win and the belt on the night. It was just a catastrophic error from Yan.

EDIT: And I'd be pretty sure that's what's gonna happen

mailburner · 07-03-2021 6:45pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

Nunes running out of victims at this stage.

Yan should have an easy win in the next fight between them, he was miles ahead. Totally different class.

I don't know about easy next time as it was close enough after 3 on the scorecards but Ajo was pretty much done so a lucky break for him and he was right not to
continue

It'll be interesting to see what he changes in the rematch too, going all out from the outset was a bad idea so now he has 6 months to come up with the perfect gameplan.

Yan is such a complete fighter though so it looks right now that anyone who beats him will surely have to go 5 as he's just too strong everywhere.

The big loser here is sandhagen though, he'll get his shot at Yan someday I reckon and that'll be yans biggest test.

07-03-2021 7:03pm

Maybe Sterlin can go another round before gassing but Yan will just walk him down. He couldn't hurt Yan, so rare to see someone just stand a foot in front of someone with hands up so fearlessly. Yan looked like he was playing last night.

yourdeadwright · 07-03-2021 8:25pm

Sterling

1I understand why Sterling got the belt but to see him posing with it for pictures makes me believe he knows he has not chance of beating Yan next time out and is making the most of having it

He should be embarrassed to pose for pictures, id have thrown it back at Dana in the octagon, Getting declared the winner had to be embarrassing

FileNotFound · 08-03-2021 2:51am

Sterling has every right to do what he wants.

Rules be rules.

Have to say based on the fight he has no hope in a rematch, high pointless output, yan in control, well paced and looked comfortable throughout.

Rematch will see yan with the belt again,

Mellor · 08-03-2021 5:50am

Still Ill wrote: »

I'm surprised the DQ has turned out to be such a talking point. Can't understand the point of view that Sterling should feel obliged to risk the win bonus and title out of some sort of obligation to entertain the viewers.

Did anyone actually say that though? That he should of fought on?
Seemed to me that everyone agreed he shouldn't be hindered by a foul. Regardless of the fact he was likely losing.

mailburner wrote: »

I don't know about easy next time as it was close enough after 3 on the scorecards but Ajo was pretty much done so a lucky break for him and he was right not to continue

If think ithe score DC read out sounded more surprising as peopel didn;t cop the 4th was excluded. Had the knee not happened it was 39-37 going into the 5th and he needed a finish.
Was most likely going to be 49-46 on two cards. I think that was fair.

Interested to see the round betting on the next one.

Chairman Meow · 08-03-2021 11:10am

Bit of a disappointing card in the end after all the hype.

Santos v Rakic was a complete stinker.

Makhachev v whatsisname was decent, a fairly one sided mauling, and probably the first tap ive ever seen to shoulder pressure

Aljo v Sterling was interesting for its insane drama, was a good fight up til then too but a total let down of an ending

Nunes v Anderson, jesus christ. Anderson is a really nice girl, but bloody hell she didnt belong in there. Poor girl looked like she was being led to the electric chair on the walkout and showed it in the fight. Dreadful fight that never should have been made

Main event was okay, it was super tense the whole time but with little payoff. Jans takedowns won the fight or him but really up til then i thought it was anyones game.i expected either a vicious Jan KO, or a Costa-like domination from Izzy, and got neither. Just a tentative striking exchange with 2 takedowns for 25 mins

Mellor · 08-03-2021 11:41am

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Makhachev v whatsisname was decent, a fairly one sided mauling, and probably the first tap ive ever seen to shoulder pressure

Same mechanism as a von flue choke. Head position was the same. Just locked it up from half guard.

US2 · 08-03-2021 11:46am

Sterling on twitter saying he wants to fight Henry Cejudo next ffs

08-03-2021 11:52am

As much as some would like to insist on the purity of the sport he's "right" to do that. Either he can get a few fights as champ or at the least wind people up for more attention and more buys.

eagle eye · 08-03-2021 12:10pm

FileNotFound wrote:

Have to say based on the fight he has no hope in a rematch, high pointless output, yan in control, well paced and looked comfortable throughout.

Thing is you can learn a lot from a fight. If he has a good team they can work on how to combat Yan's strengths and Sterling's weaknesses.
I'm not saying he'll win but a good camp could put him in a much better position next time.

eagle eye · 08-03-2021 12:20pm

Deleted User wrote:

As much as some would like to insist on the purity of the sport he's "right" to do that. Either he can get a few fights as champ or at the least wind people up for more attention and more buys.

If he fights Cejudo he loses. Whatever chance he'd have against Yan with that fight behind him he has no chance against Cejudo.

Brussels Sprout · 08-03-2021 12:59pm

Chairman Meow wrote: »

Bit of a disappointing card in the end after all the hype.

The FightPass Prelims were the best part of the whole night. First 5 fights had 5 finishes and they included the Fight of the Night (Nzechukwu vs Ulberg) plus three really impressive performances by Uros Medic, Amanda Lemos and Sean Brady who all looked like stone cold killers. Trevin Jones had a nice win in the opener and the final fight had the weird spectacle of "Crystal Meth Dominc Cruz" (Tim Elliot) ground and pounding Jordan Espinosa while accusing him of being a wife beater. Well worth watching them all in their entirety.

FileNotFound · 08-03-2021 1:02pm

mailburner wrote: »

I don't know about easy next time as it was close enough after 3 on the scorecards but Ajo was pretty much done so a lucky break for him and he was right not to
continue

It'll be interesting to see what he changes in the rematch too, going all out from the outset was a bad idea so now he has 6 months to come up with the perfect gameplan.

Yan is such a complete fighter though so it looks right now that anyone who beats him will surely have to go 5 as he's just too strong everywhere.

The big loser here is sandhagen though, he'll get his shot at Yan someday I reckon and that'll be yans biggest test.

The scorecards in my opinion were no refelection on relaity, Yan was happy to watch the man gas out. Seemed to be his plan.

At no point did Sterling look like the win to me. And when you watch a man play another like that I cannot see that gap being closed.

Now definitely just my uneducated opinion. To me it just looked like Yan was going through the planned motions.

MrStuffins · 08-03-2021 1:53pm

Yeah, to me it looked like Yan had a plan to start slowly, let Aljo work hard, take lumps from Aljo when he could and take over more as the fight wore on.

As I said earlier on the thread, i'm not sure Aljo even had a Hail Mary left. It was only going one way and that was a Yan win. Either my lop-sided decision on he was going to put him away late.

The only scenario where I think this wouldn't happen realistically would be if Yan did something stupid.

And Yan did something stupid!

Mellor · 08-03-2021 2:14pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

The scorecards in my opinion were no refelection on relaity, Yan was happy to watch the man gas out. Seemed to be his plan.

At no point did Sterling look like the win to me. And when you watch a man play another like that I cannot see that gap being closed.

Now definitely just my uneducated opinion. To me it just looked like Yan was going through the planned motions.

Sterling was never ahead on the scorecards overall.

All 3 judges gave him the second round. He outstruck Yan 17-10. That was a clear but marginal round for Sterling.
He also outstruck him in the opener but it slipped away when Yan scored that big shot. One judge not giving the first to Yan is not outrageous. The scorecards were fine imo.

FileNotFound · 08-03-2021 2:31pm

Mellor wrote: »

Sterling was never ahead on the scorecards overall.

All 3 judges gave him the second round. He outstruck Yan 17-10. That was a clear but marginal round for Sterling.
He also outstruck him in the opener but it slipped away when Yan scored that big shot. One judge not giving the first to Yan is not outrageous. The scorecards were fine imo.

I only meant in the sense it seemed Yan was happy to be outstruck.

Maybe i misread, but he looked very comfortable when being hit.

I am a casual fan so may miss many nuances, but it looked like he was comfortable was the point i was really going for. And given sterlings activity level, yan being comfortable is scary.

US2 · 08-03-2021 2:34pm

Heres a look at that terrible commentary again. Same for the Sterling fight

https://twitter.com/KPetersonUFC/status/1368735472411893761?s=19

Mellor · 08-03-2021 2:48pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

I only meant in the sense it seemed Yan was happy to be outstruck.

Maybe i misread, but he looked very comfortable when being hit.

He may have been comfortable with it. I don’t think he was ever in trouble. But comfortable or not, getting outstruck often means you lose the round.

mailburner · 08-03-2021 3:18pm

Mellor wrote: »

If think ithe score DC read out sounded more surprising as peopel didn;t cop the 4th was excluded. Had the knee not happened it was 39-37 going into the 5th and he needed a finish.
Was most likely going to be 49-46 on two cards. I think that was fair.

Interested to see the round betting on the next one.

I think he can close the gap and next time we might have 4 razor close rounds but you'd still have to think if it were 2-2 going into the 5th that Yan would still finish the stronger.
I think sterling was too confident pre fight tbh and the pace he set was just ridiculous.

If he could fight a similiar fight to the one jan fought against Izzy I think he'd
have a chance if that's even a good comparison to make.

nolivesmatter · 08-03-2021 3:18pm

FileNotFound wrote:

Have to say based on the fight he has no hope in a rematch, high pointless output, yan in control, well paced and looked comfortable throughout.

One thing I would say is that Aljo will be defending the belt next time, so he should be able to approach it with a more conservative style which might suit him better.

I agree though, I wouldn't favor him.

MrStuffins · 08-03-2021 3:24pm

I think Aljo was surprised by Yan's takedown defence, his defensive wrestling and his strength.

I'd imagine he'll turn up next time with a different approach. Being in there with him gives him all sorts of information that he didn't have before.

Will it be enough? I don't think it will.

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