Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV

whacker00 · 30-12-2018 3:03pm

5 weeks now with a 2016 GX3H+ and we are really impressed with the comfort, drive and everything about the car

Tracking refuelling with the Fuelio app and recently topped up to show just over 50mpg to date which we are happy with.

Getting on average 38-40k on a full charge , only granny charging at home and using public network where possible which is slightly pulling mpg figures down, that and no preheat so the wife uses ICE to heat up some mornings before dropping the kids. I have used the fast chargers on a couple of occasions which are great.

Really love the drive from the EV , so smooth and quiet. We are converted and think it will be an EV future in this family

Mike9832 · 30-12-2018 3:06pm

whacker00 wrote: »

5 weeks now with a 2016 GX3H+ and we are really impressed with the comfort, drive and everything about the car

Tracking refuelling with the Fuelio app and recently topped up to show just over 50mpg to date which we are happy with.

Getting on average 38-40k on a full charge , only granny charging at home and using public network where possible which is slightly pulling mpg figures down, that and no preheat so the wife uses ICE to heat up some mornings before dropping the kids. I have used the fast chargers on a couple of occasions which are great.

Really love the drive from the EV , so smooth and quiet. We are converted and think it will be an EV future in this family

Can u fast charge the Outlander?

Didn't know that

Most phevs only charge at slow 3.3kW etc

tedpan · 30-12-2018 3:23pm

Mike9832 wrote:

Can u fast charge the Outlander?

Yep, so many idiots in outlanders sit on the Blanchardstown FCP for hours.

whacker00 · 30-12-2018 5:18pm

Mike9832 wrote: »

Can u fast charge the Outlander?

Didn't know that

Most phevs only charge at slow 3.3kW etc

Sure can , I live close to the airport and there is a fast charge unit at the circle K 20-25 mins to 80% it's great and rarely holds up anyone waiting in an EV

eyeball kid · 01-01-2019 10:07pm

Hi all, just wondering if these Outlanders would be suitable for someone driving 41km to work each day (averaging 30,000 km a year i think)?
I park at the Luas Red Cow carpark most days and i've had a 2010 Octavia 1.9 diesel for the last 3 years.

Reading that the electric range is only 30 to 40 km so half of commute would be on the petrol engine. Are these suitable for that kind of milage?

Sorry for the questions, don't know a huge amount about ev's but have my own home where charge point could easily be installed.

ewj1978 · 03-01-2019 11:23pm

if only doing 80km why not go full EV?

road_high · 03-01-2019 11:24pm

Advertising these like mad on tv aren’t they.

eyeball kid · 06-01-2019 12:48pm

ewj1978 wrote: »

if only doing 80km why not go full EV?

It is something I've thought about alright. I'm just looking for opinions from owners here on how economical these Oulanders are when running on the petrol engine. Also any other thoughts on them?

ELM327 · 07-01-2019 10:38am

eyeball kid wrote: »

It is something I've thought about alright. I'm just looking for opinions from owners here on how economical these Oulanders are when running on the petrol engine. Also any other thoughts on them?

Not very, sub 40mpg, which is pretty decent for a 2 tonne SUV but not particularly cost effective compared to the diesel or full EV competition

slave1 · 07-01-2019 12:16pm

Outlanders were/are huge in the UK because of tax/BIK/congestion charge incentives and many were bought for these reasons and there was an article I read a few months back that many used company car Outlanders still had charging cables wrapped and they were only bought for the benefits listed and not cheap or eco purposes.
I think the mpg is shocking, I'm getting nearly 60mpg in my CRV, dropping to maybe 56mpg at this time of year and to look at 40mpg or less is just unreal, very rarely drive the CRV around town as we have a L30 for that so cannot advice on town mpg

olearydc · 07-01-2019 1:20pm

With the Outlander, there are a few ways to use it

If you use it and plug-in regular at home, the MPG will be high
likewise, if you just use it as a hybrid ICE car then the MPG is low 40's avaerage

I have a leaf24 and think one of these would be great as our main car (using it mostly in EV mode as needed)

vectra · 07-01-2019 2:56pm

slave1 wrote: »

Outlanders were/are huge in the UK because of tax/BIK/congestion charge incentives and many were bought for these reasons and there was an article I read a few months back that many used company car Outlanders still had charging cables wrapped and they were only bought for the benefits listed and not cheap or eco purposes.
I think the mpg is shocking, I'm getting nearly 60mpg in my CRV, dropping to maybe 56mpg at this time of year and to look at 40mpg or less is just unreal, very rarely drive the CRV around town as we have a L30 for that so cannot advice on town mpg

CRV hybrid or diesel?

stimpson · 07-01-2019 3:45pm

The Outlander is a great car if it suits your usage. EV only range is ~30km, so if you usually do less than that during the day, or if you commute 30km each way and can charge at work, then it could be ridiculously cheap to run. Add to that low tax, free parking, free charging, discounted tolls and the savings add up.

Below is the data logging from some of my trips (when I could be bothered to run the software). It's not representative of my driving as there are a few long trips logged overe christmas. Even at that it's returning 70mpg plus the electric usage, and the electric would be negligible - my total electricity cost for December was €15.

If you are doing big motorway miles then it's not for you. If you do mostly city miles, but occasionally need the range (and you need a big SUV) then it's a great car to drive.

slave1 · 07-01-2019 7:34pm

vectra wrote: »

CRV hybrid or diesel?

132 1.6 Diesel

rev2.0 · 09-01-2019 1:14am

Have just taken the plunge & purchased a 2016 Outlander as the 'family' car. Based on the normal daily driving pattern, we should get away with mostly EV driving which will be great

ESB charge card applied for & now just need to get the home charger installed now

stimpson · 09-01-2019 9:02am

rev2.0 wrote: »

Have just taken the plunge & purchased a 2016 Outlander as the 'family' car. Based on the normal daily driving pattern, we should get away with mostly EV driving which will be great

ESB charge card applied for & now just need to get the home charger installed now

While you’re waiting for the card, any rfid card will unlock the chargers.

Also, register for https://easygo.ie. They are putting free chargers in Lidl stores.

foodaholic · 09-01-2019 5:42pm

Got my insurance renewal quote 900 !!
AA is having a laugh - it was only 500 last year
Anyone have any recommendations?

sparrowcar · 09-01-2019 5:59pm

foodaholic wrote: »

Got my insurance renewal quote 900 !!
AA is having a laugh - it was only 500 last year
Anyone have any recommendations?

Its4women.. seriously.
They quote for men also, can you imagine a company starting up called its4men, the outcry.

Anyway went from 470 to quotes of 800 back to 500 with its4women. Premiums are rising though.

foodaholic · 09-01-2019 6:04pm

Thanks

stimpson · 09-01-2019 6:08pm

foodaholic wrote: »

Thanks

An post gave me decent quotes the past couple of years. Worth ringing around a few places though. Each one has a target demographic that they like.

Miike · 09-01-2019 6:31pm

123 undercut my quote by 1,000 euros last year (Class 1 insurance) and then came down another 250 euros this year.

Chance their online quote.

foodaholic · 09-01-2019 7:02pm

I can’t understand how the insurance companies do it - such a huge variation in quotes

Castlekeeper · 12-01-2019 10:32pm

Would anyone have experience of the towing capacity of the Outlander?
Thinking of downsizing from a car and a hilux to one vehicle here. Mostly under 30k short trips but 4-6, 2-300km round trips per month, with no end of journey charge points.
Doing 25-30k per year with irregular 2t towing capacity required.

stimpson · 12-01-2019 11:07pm

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Would anyone have experience of the towing capacity of the Outlander?
Thinking of downsizing from a car and a hilux to one vehicle here. Mostly under 30k short trips but 4-6, 2-300km round trips per month, with no end of journey charge points.
Doing 25-30k per year with irregular 2t towing capacity required.

PHEV towing capacity is 1.5 tonne. Diesel is 2 tonne.

Never towed anything. I’d say it would be great if you’re below the weight limits as electric motors produce max torque at 0 RPM.

Castlekeeper · 13-01-2019 12:49am

stimpson wrote: »

PHEV towing capacity is 1.5 tonne. Diesel is 2 tonne.

Never towed anything. I’d say it would be great if you’re below the weight limits as electric motors produce max torque at 0 RPM.

Thanks, I'd rarely need above 1.5t when I do my sums.

Alkers · 13-01-2019 12:53am

Bear in mind the gvw is probably in our around 2,000kg on them also so if you're on a b license you'll only have 1,500kg to play with anyway

yop · 18-01-2019 11:54am

Thanks for all the posts on this lads, v helpful.
I was going to buy one but reading here I think I could be barking up the wrong tree.

I travel to work 85km each way 2 days per week, some weeks I have to go 3 times, but it might be once per month. There is a charge point at work now.
I'm doing around 30,000 km per year.
Id travel to matches around Connacht, maybe 5 trips to Dublin a year.

I currently have a 172 Skoda Superb estate 2.0 diesel. On trips to work I'm getting around 40mpg, on the way home its 50mpg due to traffic.
I need to have the space for the 2 kids, I train the football team and I cycle so I need room for the bike.

I'm still torn as to whether this motor would save me money or not.

unkel · 18-01-2019 12:30pm

yop wrote: »

I'm still torn as to whether this motor would save me money or not.

Hard to say, you will need to put some figures into a spreadsheet. If you were to sell your Skoda now privately, you would lose a lot of money on it as it is relatively new. If you bought a brand new Outlander, you will have fairly high depreciation too the first few years

One thing is certain, you will save a lot of money on fuel, given that electricity at night rate is at least 80% cheaper per km than diesel. And you can charge at work too, which is free.

Would you not wait for a bit and think about it, in a few months time you will be able to buy a Kia eNiro, which is fully electric, has a very long range (guts of 500km), seems to cover your needs and will save you a fortune on fuel (while probably keeping its value well)

biko · 18-01-2019 12:38pm

Castlekeeper wrote: »

Would anyone have experience of the towing capacity of the Outlander?
Thinking of downsizing from a car and a hilux to one vehicle here. Mostly under 30k short trips but 4-6, 2-300km round trips per month, with no end of journey charge points.
Doing 25-30k per year with irregular 2t towing capacity required.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBvU1NOgLOc

yop · 18-01-2019 12:49pm

unkel wrote: »

Hard to say, you will need to put some figures into a spreadsheet. If you were to sell your Skoda now privately, you would lose a lot of money on it as it is relatively new. If you bought a brand new Outlander, you will have fairly high depreciation too the first few years

One thing is certain, you will save a lot of money on fuel, given that electricity at night rate is at least 80% cheaper per km than diesel. And you can charge at work too, which is free.

Would you not wait for a bit and think about it, in a few months time you will be able to buy a Kia eNiro, which is fully electric, has a very long range (guts of 500km), seems to cover your needs and will save you a fortune on fuel (while probably keeping its value well)

Thanks for coming back, tbh I had never even heard of the eNiro so I'd certainly look at that.

Good points re the Skoda. I just spotted a lovely Outlander for sale there in Mayo and it turned my head. Need to slap my head back again!

iniall · 18-01-2019 12:57pm

yop wrote: »

Thanks for coming back, tbh I had never even heard of the eNiro so I'd certainly look at that.

Good points re the Skoda. I just spotted a lovely Outlander for sale there in Mayo and it turned my head. Need to slap my head back again!

Is the eNiro not much smaller than the Outlander?

unkel · 18-01-2019 1:25pm

Both are 5 seat. Outlander is taller, 30cm longer, has more boot space and has 4WD, so yes it is bigger than the Niro

yop will have to take both for a test drive to see if they suit

DublinDilbert · 21-01-2019 8:36am

Has anyone got recommendations for outlander tyres?

Mach Two · 21-01-2019 5:45pm

Anybody know the approximate price of the tyres for the outlander.

stimpson · 21-01-2019 5:49pm

I've been recommended Michelin CrossClimate+ as a good all weather, and they won the WhatCar test last year:

https://www.whatcar.com/advice/owning/whats-the-best-all-round-tyre/n1161

Price depends on size - ring around a few fitters for prices.

iniall · 21-01-2019 8:06pm

I just got two Hankook 225/55/R18 tyres from Donnelly Tyres in Glasthule (next door to Mitsubishi dealer). They were €150 each :eek:

Will probably have to replace the other two in the next few months, so if anyone has a better steer on where to get tyres cheaper, I'd love to hear it!

eyeball kid · 27-01-2019 12:23pm

Had a look at a second hand one of these yesterday. It's it normal to see them plugged in and on charge when looking at a second hand car? None of the ev's there were plugged in.

stimpson · 27-01-2019 3:22pm

eyeball kid wrote: »

Had a look at a second hand one of these yesterday. It's it normal to see them plugged in and on charge when looking at a second hand car? None of the ev's there were plugged in.

They don’t need to be constantly on charge in a showroom. Especially if they are not being used daily. It’s better for the battery if it’s kept <80% if it’s going to be standing for a long time.

eyeball kid · 27-01-2019 6:26pm

stimpson wrote: »

They don’t need to be constantly on charge in a showroom. Especially if they are not being used daily. It’s better for the battery if it’s kept <80% if it’s going to be standing for a long time.

Thanks. If you were looking to buy one should you see it charging beforehand to make sure its all working or is there never an issue with that?

stimpson · 27-01-2019 6:37pm

eyeball kid wrote: »

Thanks. If you were looking to buy one should you see it charging beforehand to make sure its all working or is there never an issue with that?

I’ve never heard about an issue with one not charging. There is a battery gauge on the days like the fuel gauge.

If it’s an Outlander, there is an Android app called PHEV Watchdog that will show you the SoH (State of Health) of the battery. You need a compatible ODBC reader to check it out.

http://phevwatchdog.net

TBH, you’d want to do your homework before buying one. If you do a lot of motorway driving then you’d be better off with a diesel.

duploelabs · 28-01-2019 1:42pm

stimpson wrote: »

I’ve never heard about an issue with one not charging. There is a battery gauge on the days like the fuel gauge.

If it’s an Outlander, there is an Android app called PHEV Watchdog that will show you the SoH (State of Health) of the battery. You need a compatible ODBC reader to check it out.

http://phevwatchdog.net

TBH, you’d want to do your homework before buying one. If you do a lot of motorway driving then you’d be better off with a diesel.

I'm still surprised that people don't realise this and then give out that they're not getting the claimed mpg when they're doing long-haul motorway journeys constantly

slave1 · 28-01-2019 1:58pm

duploelabs wrote: »

I'm still surprised that people don't realise this and then give out that they're not getting the claimed mpg when they're doing long-haul motorway journeys constantly

Exactly and motorways are where diesel emissions are least harmful, if motorway commuting then modern diesel (especially if you already own one) over PHEV

Kevin Forde · 28-01-2019 5:53pm

I am looking at getting in a used late 2015 (but new shape) Outlander from UK.

Can anyone tell me if these just came with just a 3-pin granny charger or did they get a Type 1 cable as standard as well?

Kevin

slave1 · 28-01-2019 5:57pm

Kevin Forde wrote: »

I am looking at getting in a used late 2015 (but new shape) Outlander from UK.

Can anyone tell me if these just came with just a 3-pin granny charger or did they get a Type 1 cable as standard as well?

Kevin

There's no way to say with complete certainty as if they did come with multiple cables then one or both could be lost or damaged and not in the sale and even if they current seller has bought both cables there's no onus to sell one, you'll just have to check with the seller and I recommend requesting a photo not just their word...

stimpson · 28-01-2019 5:58pm

Kevin Forde wrote: »

I am looking at getting in a used late 2015 (but new shape) Outlander from UK.

Can anyone tell me if these just came with just a 3-pin granny charger or did they get a Type 1 cable as standard as well?

Kevin

They just cone with a granny cable. You have to buy the type-1 > type-2 separately.

blackbox · 30-01-2019 11:05pm

Do all of the Outlander PHEVs have black or very dark interiors?

Is cream or light grey upholstery available in UK imports?

Unfortunately the Kia PHEV also seems to have black interiors only.

I don't think I could live with that.

stimpson · 30-01-2019 11:11pm

blackbox wrote: »

Do all of the Outlander PHEVs have black or very dark interiors?

Is cream or light grey upholstery available in UK imports?

Unfortunately the Kia PHEV also seems to have black interiors only.

I don't think I could live with that.

GX5H came with cream Napa leather as an option. I think red was available too.

slave1 · 31-01-2019 11:23am

I was contemplating a GX5H and they were all red, way too pimpy for moi

stimpson · 31-01-2019 11:48am

slave1 wrote: »

I was contemplating a GX5H and they were all red, way too pimpy for moi

Mine is dark grey. Not sure I could deal with red or cream. Red is acceptable for a 2 seater sports car only.

Riskymove · 01-02-2019 5:03pm

From reading this I think the PHEV might be what I am looking for

I am looking for a SUV/4x4 style

But prefer petrol to diesel and prefer automatic

Monday to Friday I mostly just drive a relatively short distance to a train station and back which I reckon could be covered by the electric charge

Ay weekends I have longer journeys including once a month to Limerick and back

Occasional longer journeys as per other people

The PHEV seems to fit

Is there anything else I should be considering than just journey distances?

Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV

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