Liffey valley SC loads of units closed

emo72 · 25-08-2018 9:33pm #1

What's going on here? There's like 5 units closed all beside each other, down beside marks and Spencers. I know it's top shop and Evans and all those brands that are connected. But still, it's ridiculous. It's like a ghost town that end. If I was M and S I'd stop paying rent.

L1011 · 25-08-2018 10:21pm

Arcadia didn't want to pay new rents so left en masse. The other units there would have no legal basis for refusing rent based on that.

Arcadia got as far as announcing closing down sales in Blanchardstown a few years ago until a deal was negotiated and they have still reduced the total number of shops there - Wallis gone for instance. Its part of Philip Green's business model to extract the lowest rents.

emo72 · 25-08-2018 11:03pm

Still it looks apalling. A landlord wants his shopping centre to be good. I have no idea who will go on there now, more clothes shops? That would be a disaster. It's all clothes down there anyway. That place is a joke now. The bigger question is what's the future of retail. With sky high rent and rates and all other expenses I don't think shops in the likes of Liffey valley will survive.

Are the landlords pricing themselves out of existence?

dhaughton99 · 25-08-2018 11:24pm

emo72 wrote: »

Still it looks apalling. A landlord wants his shopping centre to be good. I have no idea who will go on there now, more clothes shops? That would be a disaster. It's all clothes down there anyway. That place is a joke now. The bigger question is what's the future of retail. With sky high rent and rates and all other expenses I don't think shops in the likes of Liffey valley will survive.

Are the landlords pricing themselves out of existence?

Time to buy stock in ASOS

L1011 · 25-08-2018 11:28pm

emo72 wrote: »

Still it looks apalling. A landlord wants his shopping centre to be good. I have no idea who will go on there now, more clothes shops? That would be a disaster. It's all clothes down there anyway.

That arm of the centre was 'all clothes' on the day it opened and has been ever since. Mall format shopping centres are primarily about clothes and accessories these days.

As goes "the landlords" - have a private pension? You're a shopping centre landlord and a private apartment rental landlord unless you are taking an extremely active role in selecting your funds.

Atlantic Dawn · 25-08-2018 11:30pm

With Brexit and the current major UK brands in trouble it all looks to be going south.

Spanish Eyes · 25-08-2018 11:46pm

Rents/rates are probably far too high to sustain.

Applies everywhere.

Businesses make these decisions based on turnover v profit.

r3nu4l · 25-08-2018 11:53pm

Read the articles about the death of the American malls. An interesting look at the future in Ireland methinks...

average_runner · 27-08-2018 10:56am

Heard either TK Max or Sports direct are moving there.

cherryghost · 27-08-2018 4:22pm

I'd be perfectly happy going to the SC for an afternoon but Public transport connections to anywhere other than direct route to or from the City Centre is almost non-existing or poorly implemented. I dont have a car but when I have a lift its about 10 minute drive. With public transport, including walking, it takes me up to one hour sometimes to get there. So I don't bother anymore.

unkel · 27-08-2018 9:04pm

cherryghost wrote: »

I'd be perfectly happy going to the SC for an afternoon but Public transport connections to anywhere other than direct route to or from the City Centre is almost non-existing or poorly implemented. I dont have a car but when I have a lift its about 10 minute drive. With public transport, including walking, it takes me up to one hour sometimes to get there. So I don't bother anymore.

Even from the parts in Lucan and Clondalkin the furthest away from Liffey Valley, it won't take more than about 20 minutes on a bike?

cherryghost · 27-08-2018 9:31pm

unkel wrote: »

Even from the parts in Lucan and Clondalkin the furthest away from Liffey Valley, it won't take more than about 20 minutes on a bike?

Yes but I have a baby so it's not exactly an option.

unkel · 27-08-2018 11:28pm

A baby but no car. That must be tough.

cherryghost · 28-08-2018 2:17pm

unkel wrote: »

A baby but no car. That must be tough.

Honestly it's not so bad at the moment. I'll be investing in a car next year moreso to visit the parents in the countryside. Orbital public transport in Dublin is dire though so many options of visiting Liffey or Blanch SC are not viable.

unkel · 29-08-2018 12:45am

You're aware of the 239? Goes from LV SC to Blanch SC

cherryghost · 29-08-2018 6:43pm

unkel wrote: »

You're aware of the 239? Goes from LV SC to Blanch SC

Yep, tried taking it three times. Late once, didn't show up another time. It's a disaster of a route. I'm from south of the tracks, for me to get there involves either a 13 bus/walk, 76 to Liffey, then 239. A lot of variables and a high chance for something to go wrong

ongarboy · 03-09-2018 10:47pm

Yeah, I was there today and had wanted to get office clothes in Burtons but instead encountered tumbleweed along that whole strip of the mall. It looks really bad. Despite a booming economy and low unemployment, consumers are spending much more online than in physical stores so the landlord is shortsighted fleecing tenants this way for short-term gains. Blanchard's town also has a few key units on the upper mall empty as well.

PS, I had a great breakfast in Noah's. Theyve a great menu! Wish Blanch had something like that!!

average_runner · 04-09-2018 11:48am

ongarboy wrote: »

Yeah, I was there today and had wanted to get office clothes in Burtons but instead encountered tumbleweed along that whole strip of the mall. It looks really bad. Despite a booming economy and low unemployment, consumers are spending much more online than in physical stores so the landlord is shortsighted fleecing tenants this way for short-term gains. Blanchard's town also has a few key units on the upper mall empty as well.

PS, I had a great breakfast in Noah's. Theyve a great menu! Wish Blanch had something like that!!

Noah is a gem of Liffey Valley, the Avocado Toast is fantastic

emo72 · 27-10-2018 9:34am

Got dragged to Liffey valley last night. I thought M and S looked really quiet, hardly a body in it. Dunno if that's the way it usually is. Maybe the food section keeps it ticking over. As for the empty section where all the clothes shops like top shop was, all it has is the calendar shop, and Halloween shop. They are just pop ups. If marks went that end of the centre would be closed off. Oh yeah another shop closed this week, Coast. Gone into liquidation. Crumlin shopping centre is starting to look better!

anewme · 27-10-2018 9:45am

emo72 wrote: »

Got dragged to Liffey valley last night. I thought M and S looked really quiet, hardly a body in it. Dunno if that's the way it usually is. Maybe the food section keeps it ticking over. As for the empty section where all the clothes shops like top shop was, all it has is the calendar shop, and Halloween shop. They are just pop ups. If marks went that end of the centre would be closed off. Oh yeah another shop closed this week, Coast. Gone into liquidation. Crumlin shopping centre is starting to look better!

I was just passing the other day and noticed the pop up shops myself.

The quality of those type of shops is really not going to bring new customers to the Centre.

I'd be fuming if I were paying top rent and a tacky calandra shop opened up next door.

that spur restaurant is empty too as is the dodgy chicken place upstairs.

ArthurG · 27-10-2018 9:52am

emo72 wrote: »

Got dragged to Liffey valley last night.

It's a bank holiday weekend. Maybe people are doing other things than hanging around in a shopping centre on Friday night?.

average_runner · 27-10-2018 1:31pm

anewme wrote: »

I was just passing the other day and noticed the pop up shops myself.

The quality of those type of shops is really not going to bring new customers to the Centre.

I'd be fuming if I were paying top rent and a tacky calandra shop opened up next door.

that spur restaurant is empty too as is the dodgy chicken place upstairs.

Calendar shop is there every year at xmas time. Same as town. 20% off in alot of shops today as centre is 20 years old.

EdgeCase · 27-10-2018 2:39pm

These places need to be experiences that people enjoy. There's very little future in utilitarian shopping centres.

average_runner · 27-10-2018 3:42pm

EdgeCase wrote: »

These places need to be experiences that people enjoy. There's very little future in utilitarian shopping centres.

Those days are gone. Why pay extra when cheaper online. Cafe's will take over lv like They are in town

beauf · 27-10-2018 4:17pm

The issue with online shopping is not simply price.

Lots of stores are all just stocking the same narrow range of stuff.

Often you can't find what you want in a bricks and mortar store so you'be no alternative but to go online.

EdgeCase · 27-10-2018 9:24pm

The old classic is with men's shoes that don't go above size 8 or 10 and they look at you like as if they've never encountered anyone who needs size 11.

Then you go online and never come back.

AMKC · 27-10-2018 9:38pm

anewme wrote: »

I was just passing the other day and noticed the pop up shops myself.

The quality of those type of shops is really not going to bring new customers to the Centre.

I'd be fuming if I were paying top rent and a tacky calandra shop opened up next door.

that spur restaurant is empty too as is the dodgy chicken place upstairs.

You mean what used to be Mckenzie's. Never had a problem with them. What happened to them anyway? Did they go into liquidation?

anewme · 29-10-2018 6:32am

average_runner wrote: »

Calendar shop is there every year at xmas time. Same as town. 20% off in alot of shops today as centre is 20 years old.

I've never seen the calandar shop in any of the units there before.

Is it not usually just in the mall on a cart type thing?

cherryghost · 29-10-2018 9:54am

anewme wrote: »

I've never seen the calandar shop in any of the units there before.

Is it not usually just in the mall on a cart type thing?

It is there every year. Blanchardstown SC is no better either. Same pop up shops there too

anewme · 29-10-2018 12:31pm

cherryghost wrote: »

It is there every year. Blanchardstown SC is no better either. Same pop up shops there too

My point is ive never seen it in an actual shop unit before.

I thought it was outside in the middle of the mall.. it's taking up a whole shop unit now - between that and the Halloween shop, that's 2 kinds of "nothing" filler shops beside each other.

anewme · 29-10-2018 12:32pm

AMKC wrote: »

You mean what used to be Mckenzie's. Never had a problem with them. What happened to them anyway? Did they go into liquidation?

They were never busy. The food was always dried out and overlooked. They had one as well in St Stephens green- not sure if that went too.

emo72 · 29-10-2018 12:36pm

anewme wrote: »

My point is ive never seen it in an actual shop unit before.

I thought it was outside in the middle of the mall.. it's taking up a whole shop unit now - between that and the Halloween shop, that's 2 kinds of "nothing" filler shops beside each other.

I thought it was always a stall too. Never seen it in an actual shop unit.

Any truth to the rumour that Zara is taking a large unit down there?

beauf · 29-10-2018 12:39pm

If no one wants stalls (personally I like them) them what's the issue of a pop-up shop in a shop space?

Atlantic Dawn · 29-10-2018 12:40pm

With the time of the year right before Christmas it's a sign of complete carnage on the horizon for the new year when lots more will close down.

beauf · 29-10-2018 12:46pm

Popup shops? Isn't that normal.

Seth Brundle · 29-10-2018 1:00pm

anewme wrote: »

My point is ive never seen it in an actual shop unit before.

I thought it was outside in the middle of the mall.. it's taking up a whole shop unit now - between that and the Halloween shop, that's 2 kinds of "nothing" filler shops beside each other.

...and the likelihood is that they are paying rents much lower than their existing long term tenants.

anewme · 29-10-2018 1:17pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

...and the likelihood is that they are paying rents much lower than their existing long term tenants.

Totally agree.

Also they don't bring any pull for the other shops, e.g., Zara would be a great tenant to attract customers, but the likes of the pop up shops currently there would actually put you off going to that section of the centre. Cheap tat. Grand on a stall as an addition but not in a shop itself.

beauf · 29-10-2018 1:23pm

Its it better empty?

SaraKJohn · 29-10-2018 1:41pm

Pippa O'Connor's pop up POCO shop is opening there soon for a few weeks. Will definitely attract a few. People seem to be going nuts over her overpriced jeans and candles.

Seth Brundle · 29-10-2018 1:45pm

SaraKJohn wrote: »

Pippa O'Connor's pop up POCO shop is opening there soon for a few weeks. Will definitely attract a few. People seem to be going nuts over her overpriced jeans and candles.

I get a feeling that I should know who Pippa O'Connor is

darlett · 29-10-2018 1:49pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I get a feeling that I should know who Pippa O'Connor is

Her husband shared a sunrise picture of her honeymoon bum. And, not connected, but they both have 'American white teeth' teeth. That's kinda all I know.

judeboy101 · 29-10-2018 1:52pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I get a feeling that I should know who Pippa O'Connor is

Her brother rode that horse on ped's in the Olympics once.

anewme · 29-10-2018 2:03pm

beauf wrote: »

Its it better empty?

Suppose it differs you are the tenants or the landlord

while no one wants units empty, Putting in low quality tenants is a way to start a race to the bottom.

anewme · 29-10-2018 2:04pm

I'd heard the Botox place that have a stand in the middle were due to take a unit. Did that happen?

the_syco · 29-10-2018 2:07pm

emo72 wrote: »

If marks went that end of the centre would be closed off.

They'd have to keep it open as an entry point for people getting off the bus on the N4.

EdgeCase wrote: »

The old classic is with men's shoes that don't go above size 8 or 10 and they look at you like as if they've never encountered anyone who needs size 11.

Then you go online and never come back.

That shoe shop on the Arran Quay used to be great for large shoes, but even they're gone.

beauf wrote: »

Its it better empty?

Renting it to someone for lower rent may piss off the long term tenants.

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Vue separating itself from the rest of the shopping centre means it'll be able to operate even if the rest of the place goes to sh|t, although it'll need to wall off some of the back area.

AndrewJRenko · 29-10-2018 2:41pm

anewme wrote: »

I'd heard the Botox place that have a stand in the middle were due to take a unit. Did that happen?

All their customers looked very surprised at that development

Stealthirl · 30-10-2018 12:48am

the_syco wrote: »

Vue separating itself from the rest of the shopping centre means it'll be able to operate even if the rest of the place goes to sh|t, although it'll need to wall off some of the back area.

Vue went to ****e when they revamped, Odeon Blanch is vastly better [and cheaper]

L1011 · 30-10-2018 7:57am

A substantial number of UK chains *will* go under in January. Could be a very grim place then

Seth Brundle · 30-10-2018 8:27am

L1011 wrote: »

A substantial number of UK chains *will* go under in January. Could be a very grim place then

Why? What's happening in January?

c6ysaphjvqw41k · 30-10-2018 8:53am

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Drifter50 · 30-10-2018 9:13am

Don`t know where all the shoppers went this weekend. I was in Carrickmines on Friday evening and it was like a ghost centre. Dundrum did`nt seem busy for traffic either

Liffey valley SC loads of units closed

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