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€35,000 compensation for seeing excrement on prisoners face.

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    #92
    [Deleted User]
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    It is a compensation scheme for members maliciously injured in the course of their duty.

    Maliciously injured.
    Exactly.
    So how did she claim then??


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    #93
    [Deleted User]
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    Has anyone used the "he must have looked like sh1t" line?


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    #94
    Little CuChulainn
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Maliciously injured.
    Exactly.
    So how did she claim then??

    Because it was a deliberate act by a prisoner that caused her mental trauma.


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    #95
    ct5amr2ig1nfhp
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    Mental trauma? You're having a laugh!?

    I stepped in dog ****e yesterday, going to sue the Co. Co. soon :rolleyes: Cannot leave my house...

    It's just poo ffs.


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    #96
    Cupcake_Crisis
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    Ah stop. You see worse with one wrong click on porn hub.


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    #97
    Little CuChulainn
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    Milana Billions Radiance wrote: »
    Mental trauma? You're having a laugh!?

    I stepped in dog ****e yesterday, going to sue the Co. Co. soon :rolleyes: Cannot leave my house...

    It's just poo ffs.

    Good luck.


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    #98
    RustyNut
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    The next train to leave the (garda) station will be the gravy train. WOOO WOOOO....


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    #99
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Because it was a deliberate act by a prisoner that caused her mental trauma.

    Ah seriously, you are trying to defend this girl, who as far as I can see, just took the piss out of the Compensation Act.
    It's far from an isolated case, but probably one of the most unbelievable I've ever heard!

    It just takes away from the genuine cases out there, and makes the public think all gardai are soft/ taking the piss/ not up to the job.


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    #100
    Paulzx
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Because it was a deliberate act by a prisoner that caused her mental trauma.

    To be honest you're struggling here. I have no issues with Gardai receiving compensation for injuries and traumas on duty. I also believe that being assaulted while on duty is not and ever should be "part of the job." Nobody doing any job should consider being assaulted as normal.

    However, in my humble opinion viewing someone eating there own **** through the hatch in a cell door, knowing they can't get at you is not a valid case for a claim. If you are mentally traumatised so easily maybe a career change is in order.

    These type of cases just provide easy ammunition for slagging all Gardai and reduce the importance of compensation for genuine life changing injuries and traumas.


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    #101
    Little CuChulainn
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Ah seriously, you are trying to defend this girl, who as far as I can see, just took the piss out of the Compensation Act.
    It's far from an isolated case, but probably one of the most unbelievable I've ever heard!

    It just takes away from the genuine cases out there, and makes the public think all gardai are soft/ taking the piss/ not up to the job.
    Paulzx wrote: »
    To be honest you're struggling here. I have no issues with Gardai receiving compensation for injuries and traumas on duty. I also believe that being assaulted while on duty is not and ever should be "part of the job." Nobody doing any job should consider being assaulted as normal.

    However, in my humble opinion viewing someone eating there own **** through the hatch in a cell door, knowing they can't get at you is not a valid case for a claim. If you are mentally traumatised so easily maybe a career change is in order.

    These type of cases just provide easy ammunition for slagging all Gardai and reduce the importance of compensation for genuine life changing injuries and traumas.

    Hang on there. I'm just explaining the compensation scheme. I didn't make the decision that the act caused the harm. That was the decision of medical professionals and accepted by a court.


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    #102
    Potential-Monke
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    As CuChulainn said, everyone reacts differently to different situations. The sight of blood, brains or body parts might not even make one person blink their eyes, but the sight of ****e, or other bodily fluids could genuinely traumatise a person, especially if they believe that they could have come into contact with it. In this situation, from what i can read, the prisoner covered in ****e was face to face with her, and in that moment she believed that he was going to spit ****e into her face. While you or me may not react the same to that, it's obvious that she had that reaction. And, again as CuChulainn said, this could just have been the straw that broke the camels back. She could have witnessed/beeing involved in a lot of horrible situations, and it took this final incident for her to start suffering from PTSD.

    And who are we to judge how someone can be effected? We know what we are like ourselves, but no one can judge anyone elses frame of mind. I've no issues with ****e, spit, puke, semen, etc, but if someone threw a spider at me i could very well need counselling! Obviously the ****e is what this woman feared quite a bit.

    Not defending her, just trying to look at it from a neutral point of view.


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    #103
    stoplooklisten
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    Learning from this thread: to avoid arrest by cops, carry a cat and a spider :pac:


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    #104
    maudgonner
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    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    As CuChulainn said, everyone reacts differently to different situations. The sight of blood, brains or body parts might not even make one person blink their eyes, but the sight of ****e, or other bodily fluids could genuinely traumatise a person, especially if they believe that they could have come into contact with it. In this situation, from what i can read, the prisoner covered in ****e was face to face with her, and in that moment she believed that he was going to spit ****e into her face. While you or me may not react the same to that, it's obvious that she had that reaction. And, again as CuChulainn said, this could just have been the straw that broke the camels back. She could have witnessed/beeing involved in a lot of horrible situations, and it took this final incident for her to start suffering from PTSD.

    And who are we to judge how someone can be effected? We know what we are like ourselves, but no one can judge anyone elses frame of mind. I've no issues with ****e, spit, puke, semen, etc, but if someone threw a spider at me i could very well need counselling! Obviously the ****e is what this woman feared quite a bit.

    Not defending her, just trying to look at it from a neutral point of view.

    Of course people are triggered by different things.

    However, given that it's not unreasonable to expect that you might encounter this situation in the job she had, why should the state pay her compensation? I feel that the most that should be offered is a reasonable period of sick-pay and counseling.


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    #105
    Little CuChulainn
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    maudgonner wrote: »
    Of course people are triggered by different things.

    However, given that it's not unreasonable to expect that you might encounter this situation in the job she had, why should the state pay her compensation? I feel that the most that should be offered is a reasonable period of sick-pay and counseling.

    You could be right. But that isn't offered.


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    #106
    Nodin
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    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Learning from this thread: to avoid arrest by cops, carry a cat and a spider :pac:

    ....better options than going round with a mouthful of shite....


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    #107
    Yillan
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    Does there not need to be wrong done by a person through negligence or professional misconduct to allow such a claim for compensation? If it's just that a person reacted badly to something that happened at work and subsequently suffered a mental illness, then I'm struggling to see how anyone else is responsible other than the person and their illness, and therefore compensation should not be a consideration.

    What about a doctor on a paediatric oncology team who has seen a lot of children die under their care, despite best practice? If they suffer depression as a result of the consistent potential for sadness inherent in their work, should they sue for compensation?

    If this case was settled on the basis that she was not offered counselling or adequate time off following an incident that she was obviously upset by, due to negligence or misconduct on the part of her superiors, then I can understand why she might be entitled to compensation, but if it's just that she had a negative reaction to something that happened while she was at work, then I'm not sure I understand the judgement.

    I think one thing is clear; she may have gotten €35,000, but you'd have to think her career as a member of the force is pretty much finished. Certainly she can't expect to be up for a promotion at any point. Desk sergeant from now on. Not to denigrate her for suffering a from mental condition, but she's obviously not suited to that line of work. She may regret having made the case, in the years to come.


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    #108
    osarusan
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    Yillan wrote: »
    Does there not need to be wrong done by a person through negligence or professional misconduct to allow such a claim for compensation?

    Not withe the Garda Compensation Scheme, which just deals with compensation for Gardai suffering from malicious behaviour while on duty.


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    #109
    somefeen
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    PandaPoo wrote: »
    €35,000!!! Actually I'd probably be OK with €3,500....if anyone is interested :P

    Pm sent


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    #110
    wexandproud
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    If the woman was traumatised she was traumatised. Maybe she could deal easily with a fatal RTC but this particular just got to her. I'll take the word of a couple of health professionals over outraged internet folks. The size of the award is not her doing.

    the same thought struck me as i was reading this thread , it's great to have so many experts on mental issues willing to give opinions on a case they have read about in the paper . How does anybody on here know how the incident effected her. I would be reasonable sure that over the course of her career she has seen RTC'S and dead bodies and just maby she could handle that better
    The first body i pulled from the water , a stranger , effected me greatly for a long time afterwards but the next one a couple of years later who was a son of a friend of mine i handled much better . different things effect some people differently
    there are people on here who complain about this and other claims awarded to the guards but then on the other hand the same people will defend the 'entitlement brigade ' to claim everything they can


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    #111
    foggy_lad
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    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    A Garda has been awarded €35k compensation for post traumatic stress disorder for seeing a prisoner who had smeared his face with his own excrement.

    Is this justified and deserving or another example of people with a sense of entitlement looking for easy money from the state.
    For the record I think it is ridiculous. If you become a Garda, you expect to come across some distressing situations, road traffic accidents, etc. Its the nature of the job.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/garda-civil-court-case-win-2648263-Mar2016/

    From what I have heard this guy was eating it as well as wearing it and using his tongue to smear what was in his mouth around his lips and face. Seeing something like that pop up in front of your face when you open a cell can be very disturbing and way above what might be considered reasonable for even a Garda to observe in their day to day duties!


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    #112
    maudgonner
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    osarusan wrote: »
    Not withe the Garda Compensation Scheme, which just deals with compensation for Gardai suffering from malicious behaviour while on duty.

    Not malicious behaviour, malicious injury. And I think that's the distinction that most people are questioning. While the behaviour was certainly unsavoury, can it really be described as causing injury? And is a hefty compensation payment the correct response to this relatively minor incident?


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    #113
    PandaPoo
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    Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »
    Ah stop. You see worse with one wrong click on porn hub.

    I was showing my husband the porn that has the big fat women slapping their fat off men. The results were just women shoving butternut squash in places it shouldn't go!


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    #114
    Sam Kade
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    Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »
    But it was a female Garda, and she thought that he was going to spit the excrement at her!

    So, didn't they drop ban Garda because they wanted equality.


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    #115
    ScumLord
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    somefeen wrote: »
    Pm sent
    Lets go for a feed of guinness first.
    foggy_lad wrote: »
    From what I have heard this guy was eating it as well as wearing it and using his tongue to smear what was in his mouth around his lips and face. Seeing something like that pop up in front of your face when you open a cell can be very disturbing and way above what might be considered reasonable for even a Garda to observe in their day to day duties!
    I wonder where was she when two girls one cup was doing the rounds?


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    #116
    ohnonotgmail
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    maudgonner wrote: »
    Not malicious behaviour, malicious injury. And I think that's the distinction that most people are questioning. While the behaviour was certainly unsavoury, can it really be described as causing injury? And is a hefty compensation payment the correct response to this relatively minor incident?


    injury does not have to be physical.


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    #117
    ScumLord
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    injury does not have to be physical.
    I don't see how this event can be classed as an injury. I defended the last guard because she was physically assaulted when she shouldn't have been. It wasn't just about the assault, it was the fact the guard was put in the position to be assaulted by being left alone.

    This is completely different, she saw something she didn't like, get over it. Lots of people see things they don't like. She was never in any danger, so this isn't like reliving an actual trauma, she wasn't attacked, abused, insulted, threatened, as far as I can tell anyway. The guy just did something she didn't like, maybe his behaviour could be seen as intimidating but he was behind a steel door, there wasn't nothing he could do to her.


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    #118
    diomed
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    Garda brings that case to court.
    "Hmm, let's see. We must apply the Garda compensatipn multiplier."
    €3,500 x 10.


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    #119
    ohnonotgmail
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    I don't see how this event can be classed as an injury. I defended the last guard because she was physically assaulted when she shouldn't have been. It wasn't just about the assault, it was the fact the guard was put in the position to be assaulted by being left alone.

    This is completely different, she saw something she didn't like, get over it. Lots of people see things they don't like. She was never in any danger, so this isn't like reliving an actual trauma, she wasn't attacked, abused, insulted, threatened, as far as I can tell anyway. The guy just did something she didn't like, maybe his behaviour could be seen as intimidating but he was behind a steel door, there wasn't nothing he could do to her.

    Have you considered a career in counselling?


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    #120
    osarusan
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    maudgonner wrote: »
    Not malicious behaviour, malicious injury.
    I'm trying to avoid describing what happened to her as an injury, although it seems to have been classified as such, as evidenced by the award.

    maudgonner wrote: »
    And I think that's the distinction that most people are questioning.
    Sure, I agree. But not the poster I was responding to - they were wondering about who was being held responsible/blamed (I think they reasonably assumed this award meant somebody was responsible/at fault) but I was pointing out that in this case it doesn't mean that.


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    #121
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    Just put "TRIGGER WARNING" signs up, seems to be necessary in most places these days.


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