Air Accident / Incident thread

Shannon757 · 11-01-2017 1:22am

Buffman wrote: »

An update with additional information on this, looks like the speculation wasn't far wrong.

I'm probably reading this wrong but surely the speculation was completely wrong. The speculation was that a drone had hit the aircraft, but the update says foreign object damage was ruled out

Buffman · 11-01-2017 1:31am

Shannon757 wrote: »

I'm probably reading this wrong but surely the speculation was completely wrong. The speculation was that a drone had hit the aircraft, but the update says foreign object damage was ruled out

No, the other way around, the airline had initially 'confirmed' a strike and the online speculation was that it was something else.

The airline confirmed the occurrence stating an external body had impacted the radome, a replacement aircraft was dispatched to Tete to perform the return flight. The occurrence aircraft is being repaired.

Shannon757 · 11-01-2017 1:32am

Buffman wrote: »

No, the other way around, the airline had initially 'confirmed' a strike and the online speculation was that it was something else.

I get you now, thanks.

billy few mates · 11-01-2017 9:01pm

I said that the moment I saw the pics, a drone hitting that A/C would have been more like a glancing blow rather than the type of damage we saw.

AndyBoBandy · 29-01-2017 7:07pm

Nice skid today/yesterday in Novosibirsk's Tolmachevo Airport, Russia involving an S7 A320

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF7Cg04qgco

duskyjoe · 29-01-2017 7:10pm

A nice skid I'd say in the cockpit also

EchoIndia · 29-01-2017 7:41pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Nice skid today/yesterday in Novosibirsk's Tolmachevo Airport, Russia involving an S7 A320

The video has a date of 14 December 2016 on the bottom right.

AndyBoBandy · 29-01-2017 7:42pm

EchoIndia wrote: »

The video has a date of 14 December 2016 on the bottom right.

Good spot, never noticed that!!

ElNino · 02-02-2017 11:19pm

ATC from an OpenSkies B757 with a possible landing gear fire which diverted to Shannon last August

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuCjOlhuUG8

Steve · 15-02-2017 12:15am

I saw this on youtube, nothing to do with the incident above ((moved out into a separate thread since this post was made)but one of the Shamrock pilots was responding to ATC instructions with 'wilco'. Had a Kerry or cork accent and sounded like the same fellow who was on comms in JFK a few years back over the hydraulic leak.

Is this allowed?

Thought there was a strict readback rule nowadays?

Irish Steve · 15-02-2017 12:41am

A significant number of posts relating to an alleged air miss over Dublin have been moved out into a separate thread, as the incident did not occur as originally reported, there was no airmiss, or loss of separation. On that basis, the reports and the subsequent discussion was not an accident or incident, so not appropriate to this thread.

I have not deleted the posts, as it is appropriate to ensure that the correct version of events is kept so that any future inquiries can see how the reports developed.

Irish Steve · 15-02-2017 12:54am

Steve wrote: »

I saw this on youtube, nothing to do with the incident above but one of the Shamrock pilots was responding to ATC instructions with 'wilco'. Had a Kerry or cork accent and sounded like the same fellow who was on comms in JFK a few years back over the hydraulic leak.

Is this allowed?

Thought there was a strict readback rule nowadays?

The readback rule applies to specific instructions, but not to all ATC instructions, so something like a take off clearance, or a route has to be read back in full, as do things like level changes, but there are other things that do not require a read back, and in that case, if it is a specific instruction, then Wilco is a standard phrase that means understood and will comply with the instruction

Steve · 15-02-2017 1:04am

Irish Steve wrote: »

The readback rule applies to specific instructions, but not to all ATC instructions, so something like a take off clearance, or a route has to be read back in full, as do things like level changes, but there are other things that do not require a read back, and in that case, if it is a specific instruction, then Wilco is a standard phrase that means understood and will comply with the instruction

Thanks, I'll listen to the comms again with that in mind.

Jawgap · 15-02-2017 8:52am

Harrison Ford 'in near-miss' at US airport

.....Ford, aged 74, was instructed to land on a runway at John Wayne airport in Orange Country on Monday.

But instead he mistakenly landed on a parallel taxiway, passing over a waiting American Airlines plane with 110 passengers and crew on board.

That plane safely departed minutes later. Ford has not commented on the reported incident.

Just before the landing, the Indiana Jones star is quoted as asking air traffic controllers: "Was that airliner meant to be underneath me?"

.....it's that kind of flying that allows you to do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs!

Steve · 17-02-2017 3:46am

Jawgap wrote: »

Harrison Ford 'in near-miss' at US airport

Just before the landing, the Indiana Jones star is quoted as asking air traffic controllers: "Was that airliner meant to be underneath me?"

.....it's that kind of flying that allows you to do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs!

What he meant to ask was "Was I supposed to be over that airliner?"

GBX · 22-02-2017 3:20pm

Jawgap wrote: »

Harrison Ford 'in near-miss' at US airport

.....it's that kind of flying that allows you to do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAJgC7VRpgY

Video footage has emerged for the incident

Jawgap · 22-02-2017 8:52pm

What happens when you go quiet over Germany......

Jet Airways flight 9W-118, a Boeing 777-300 registered as VT-JEX, was intercepted by a pair of German Luftwaffe Typhoons as a security precaution over Germany on Thursday, February 16, after radio communications with the airliner were briefly lost.

The Typhoons were diverted to the intercept mission while already airborne according to a report in The Aviation Herald by Simon Hradecky.

Dramatic video of the security intercept at 36,000 feet was captured from another airline aircraft, likely a British Airways flight according to unconfirmed information. The video shows the Jet Airways B777 flying normally as first one, then a second Typhoon fly up behind the aircraft. The first Luftwaffe pilot approaches the big Boeing 777 from the same altitude and offset to the airliner’s left, possibly enabling the Typhoon pilot to make an attempt at visual contact with the occupants of the cockpit as a precaution prior to any other contact attempt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJALftSN0ek

pepe the prawn · 02-03-2017 2:23pm

http://www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/files/report-attachments/REPORT%202017-004.pdf

Report about the helicopter crash while landing in Abbeyshrule.

cml387 · 02-03-2017 3:01pm

pepe the prawn wrote: »

http://www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/files/report-attachments/REPORT%202017-004.pdf

Report about the helicopter crash while landing in Abbeyshrule.

The aircraft (which was not certified to fly in in the Republic Of Ireland) was attempting to land in a totally unsuitable location (and for which it had no permission) in the command of a pilot who was not qualified on type.

:rolleyes:

robyntmorton · 02-03-2017 3:13pm

pepe the prawn wrote: »

http://www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/files/report-attachments/REPORT%202017-004.pdf

Report about the helicopter crash while landing in Abbeyshrule.

The TL;DR Version: The pilot was a very naughty boy, though the owner too is not blameless.

Stovepipe · 06-03-2017 3:06pm

Yes. The backstory on this event is quite interesting and the Investigation, not being allowed to affix blames, simply invites you to read between the lines. The potential for at least three deaths and more injuries was very high. When you read a report that repeatedly uses "did not have", "was not qualified",etc,etc, then you know straight away that it's going to be a beaut.

smurfjed · 06-03-2017 4:12pm

Interesting report, with 440 hours in type, I wouldn't really consider the pilot not qualified in the sense that he was doing something outside his expected capabilities.
The Aeronautical Notice A.19 clearly states that it isn't valid for ex-military aircraft but it doesn't appear to state that approval is required.
As an aircraft pilot, the idea of trying to judge my wingtip within .81m is bloody scary.

Pat Dunne · 06-03-2017 9:33pm

smurfjed wrote: »

As an aircraft pilot, the idea of trying to judge my wingtip within .81m is bloody scary.

Most people would even attempt to park their car with that sort of clearance

...And Justice · 06-03-2017 9:39pm

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Most people would even attempt to park their car with that sort of clearance

It was the length of his knob at the time of impact....:)

cml387 · 07-03-2017 9:03am

I notice the full report into the Hawker Hunter crash at Shoreham is now released on the AAIB website.

beauf · 07-03-2017 11:40am

It would be interesting to know the mindset of the pilots in these accidents. I guess we'll never know why they made the decisions they did.

Stovepipe · 07-03-2017 12:42pm

The IAA have granted permission for ex mil aircraft, usually foreign reg'd, to stay in the State and these permissions are dealt with on an individual basis. A Piper Cub is harmless and easily sorted, a potent ex-mil heli less so, as the maintenance and operational history of these is often not well documented or has been lost or is misplaced between several countries. Some helis, like the Gazelle type, have both civil and military certification and have both Mil standard engines and civvy standard engines. They often have firing harnesses and switch gear and even mil spec floats that have to come out before getting a civvy Permit. So, there's a lot to consider, when granting permission for an ex-mil to operate in the State, even for a limited period, which is why the 28-day rule applies. It should have dawned on the owner that he might have to ask the IAA for permission to operate here,as this is not a new requirement.

Buffman · 17-03-2017 3:42pm

Luckily the prop doesn't appear to have impacted the aircraft after separation. From AVH:

REX SF34 near Sydney on Mar 17th 2017, propeller detached in flight

A REX Regional Express Saab 340B, registration VH-NRX performing flight ZL-768 from Albury,NS to Sydney,NS (Australia) with 16 passengers and 3 crew, was descending through about FL120 towards Sydney cleared to descend to 8000 feet when the crew declared PAN reported they just had had uncommanded engine operations, the right hand propeller had sheared off, they still were able to fly with normal handling of the aircraft..............The Saab continued for a safe landing on Sydney's runway 16R about 25 minutes later.

ABC News report with ATC.

robyntmorton · 17-03-2017 4:00pm

That really is impressively scary!

ED E · 20-03-2017 8:52pm

Sudan are keeping up their reputation..

A passenger plane has crashed at a South Sudan airport, reportedly injuring at least 14 people.

Some 44 people are thought to have been on board the South Supreme Airlines plane when it came down in the northwestern town of Wau.

http://news.sky.com/story/passenger-plane-carrying-44-people-crashes-at-south-sudan-airport-10808982

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Stovepipe · 15-04-2017 5:23pm

A Cessna 152 was turned over, upon landing, at a private strip in County Meath, when being flown solo by a student pilot. No-one was hurt. This happened two or three days ago. At least three other small aircraft have had minor accidents in the same County, in the last few weeks, thankfully with no injuries.

regards
Stovepipe

martinsvi · 15-04-2017 6:30pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

A Cessna 152 was turned over, upon landing, at a private strip in County Meath, when being flown solo by a student pilot. No-one was hurt. This happened two or three days ago. At least three other small aircraft have had minor accidents in the same County, in the last few weeks, thankfully with no injuries.

regards
Stovepipe

private strip and a solo student? I thought you're not allowed to do training on an unlicensed airfield

AAIU must be stretched to their limits at this stage

Oscar Bravo · 15-04-2017 9:03pm

student was sent solo out of weston, ran into bad weather en route to Navan airfield, tried to find trim ,instead found Adamstown and attempted to land there and turned it over.

martinsvi · 15-04-2017 9:14pm

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

student was sent solo out of weston, ran into bad weather en route to Navan airfield, tried to find trim ,instead found Adamstown and attempted to land there and turned it over.

ah in that case sounds like the student made some good calls, just lacked a bit of luck.. poor soul

Stovepipe · 15-04-2017 9:50pm

Oscar is exactly right....AAIU have taken on one new Inspector but would prefer to be allowed to recruit more. Right now, they are run off their feet and all resources are at full tilt.

Gaoth Laidir · 18-04-2017 7:33am

Five dead as a Cheyenne crashes into a Lidl in Tires, Portugal. One of the dead was a truck driver unloading his truck at Lidl.

This was the METAR at the time (midday local time).

METAR LPCS 171100Z VRB03KT CAVOK 22/12 Q1018=

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/cinco-mortos-e-nove-desalojados-em-desastre-aereo-de-tires_n995816

smurfjed · 18-04-2017 7:49am

An Air Canada plan landed in London without a wheel after the tyre snapped off in mid air.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The incident happened shortly after take-off on the Montreal to Heathrow flight yesterday.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But the pilot only realised after being told by airport workers in Britain after landing safely, without any difficulties.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Damage to the Boeing 777-300's suspension was also reported after landing at Heathrow. [/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The missing wheel was later found rooted in a fence just a few miles from Pierre Elliott Trudeau Airport in Montreal. www.dailymail.co.uk[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I've seen pictures of a B777 Nose Wheel breaking off, but first time that i have heard about the mainwheel.[/font]

Dardania · 18-04-2017 9:19am

smurfjed wrote: »

An Air Canada plan landed in London without a wheel after the tyre snapped off in mid air.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The incident happened shortly after take-off on the Montreal to Heathrow flight yesterday.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But the pilot only realised after being told by airport workers in Britain after landing safely, without any difficulties.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Damage to the Boeing 777-300's suspension was also reported after landing at Heathrow. [/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The missing wheel was later found rooted in a fence just a few miles from Pierre Elliott Trudeau Airport in Montreal. www.dailymail.co.uk[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I've seen pictures of a B777 Nose Wheel breaking off, but first time that i have heard about the mainwheel.[/font]

Very interesting one...metal fatigue caused by heat perhaps?

Suspension damage is also sus...surely the plane would be quite light at landing that 1/12 less wheels would have balanced out the reduced weight among the remaining 11...
Maybe there was some other damage

Coil Kilcrea · 18-04-2017 12:23pm

EchoIndia wrote: »

A chilling official report to read.

Where would we find it?

Foggy43 · 18-04-2017 10:54pm

smurfjed wrote: »

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I've seen pictures of a B777 Nose Wheel breaking off, but first time that i have heard about the mainwheel.[/font]

http://avherald.com/h?article=4a7d012c&opt=0

I love the Daily Mail

smurfjed · 20-04-2017 10:05am

This picture was in our Safety Training CBT, does anyone know the history behind the accident/incident?

Dardania · 20-04-2017 10:26am

smurfjed wrote: »

This picture was in our Safety Training CBT, does anyone know the history behind the accident/incident?

This one?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_120

john boye · 20-04-2017 10:31am

Dardania wrote: »

This one?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_120

Was just about to post the same, there was an episode of air crash investigation on it if that helps.

smurfjed · 20-04-2017 1:41pm

Thank you for the references.

Buffman · 20-04-2017 10:30pm

ED E wrote: »

Sudan are keeping up their reputation..

A passenger plane has crashed at a South Sudan airport, reportedly injuring at least 14 people.

Some 44 people are thought to have been on board the South Supreme Airlines plane when it came down in the northwestern town of Wau.

http://news.sky.com/story/passenger-plane-carrying-44-people-crashes-at-south-sudan-airport-10808982

An update on that one. Ironically they hit a fire engine on landing. Everyone survived so I suppose there's a joke in there somewhere.

South Supreme AN26 at Wau on Mar 20th 2017, collided with fire truck on landing

EchoIndia · 20-04-2017 11:34pm

Coil Kilcrea wrote: »

Where would we find it?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=UPS6+official+report

Bussywussy · 21-04-2017 12:04pm

A wheel coming off actually hasn't suprised me,The A330 wheels get some serious forces on them during pushbacks even more so when it's tight turn,I've come across wheels where the torque has backed off a lot,more than likely the tyre pressure indication is modded out,it's more harmful than good and the break fan being pulled off wont give any indication unless it popped a circuit breaker which the crew would know about.

Gaoth Laidir · 21-04-2017 7:50pm

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Five dead as a Cheyenne crashes into a Lidl in Tires, Portugal. One of the dead was a truck driver unloading his truck at Lidl.

This was the METAR at the time (midday local time).

METAR LPCS 171100Z VRB03KT CAVOK 22/12 Q1018=

https://www.rtp.pt/noticias/pais/cinco-mortos-e-nove-desalojados-em-desastre-aereo-de-tires_n995816

Here's an initial report into the accident.

http://www.gpiaa.gov.pt?cr=10565

Engine failure on takeoff or overloaded?

According to several eyewitness testimonies, after takeoff the Suisse twin-engine started to put the left wing down and consequently to turn left while climbing slowly to about 300 feet of altitude. The left bank was increasing and the speed was decreasing, with the entry of the aircraft in a stall, followed by a steep descent to a dock for unloading of trucks of a supermarket located southeast of the airfield. The crash occurred 700 mts from the end of the departure runway.

martinsvi · 22-04-2017 6:52pm

just want to say fair play to Dublin FIS this morning, I was out in G airspace and they gave me a quick heads up, that I have a target right on my nose with no mode C just a mile away heading the opposite direction. I did a quick 45 deg turn just in case, and yep just as my wings went level, our target came out of mist/cloud at exactly the same altitude and place where I ought to be.. nice to know someone's looking out there for you, even if they technically don't have to

Buffman · 23-04-2017 12:27pm

I wonder will Homer Simpsons 'It's my first day!' excuse work for this air marshal?

Air marshal leaves a loaded gun in an airplane bathroom on a Manchester to New York City flight for a passenger to find and hand to a crew member

The newly-hired air marshal left the weapon by accident aboard Delta flight 221

For anyone who wants the non-tabloid version, here's Simons:

Incident: Delta B763 over Atlantic on Apr 6th 2017, lavatory or armoury

A Delta Airlines Boeing..............was enroute over the Atlantic Ocean when a passenger went to a lavatory and found a loaded gun. The passenger handed the gun to cabin crew, who in turn returned the weapon to the owner, a female US Air Marshal, who had forgotten the weapon in the lavatory

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