Air Accident / Incident thread

Shannon757

Buffman wrote: »

An update with additional information on this, looks like the speculation wasn't far wrong.

I'm probably reading this wrong but surely the speculation was completely wrong. The speculation was that a drone had hit the aircraft, but the update says foreign object damage was ruled out

Buffman

Shannon757 wrote: »

I'm probably reading this wrong but surely the speculation was completely wrong. The speculation was that a drone had hit the aircraft, but the update says foreign object damage was ruled out

No, the other way around, the airline had initially 'confirmed' a strike and the online speculation was that it was something else.

The airline confirmed the occurrence stating an external body had impacted the radome, a replacement aircraft was dispatched to Tete to perform the return flight. The occurrence aircraft is being repaired.

Shannon757

Buffman wrote: »

No, the other way around, the airline had initially 'confirmed' a strike and the online speculation was that it was something else.

I get you now, thanks.

billy few mates

I said that the moment I saw the pics, a drone hitting that A/C would have been more like a glancing blow rather than the type of damage we saw.

AndyBoBandy

Nice skid today/yesterday in Novosibirsk's Tolmachevo Airport, Russia involving an S7 A320

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF7Cg04qgco

duskyjoe

A nice skid I'd say in the cockpit also

EchoIndia

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Nice skid today/yesterday in Novosibirsk's Tolmachevo Airport, Russia involving an S7 A320

The video has a date of 14 December 2016 on the bottom right.

AndyBoBandy

EchoIndia wrote: »

The video has a date of 14 December 2016 on the bottom right.

Good spot, never noticed that!!

ElNino

ATC from an OpenSkies B757 with a possible landing gear fire which diverted to Shannon last August

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuCjOlhuUG8

Steve

I saw this on youtube, nothing to do with the incident above ((moved out into a separate thread since this post was made)but one of the Shamrock pilots was responding to ATC instructions with 'wilco'. Had a Kerry or cork accent and sounded like the same fellow who was on comms in JFK a few years back over the hydraulic leak.

Is this allowed?

Thought there was a strict readback rule nowadays?

Irish Steve

A significant number of posts relating to an alleged air miss over Dublin have been moved out into a separate thread, as the incident did not occur as originally reported, there was no airmiss, or loss of separation. On that basis, the reports and the subsequent discussion was not an accident or incident, so not appropriate to this thread.

I have not deleted the posts, as it is appropriate to ensure that the correct version of events is kept so that any future inquiries can see how the reports developed.

Irish Steve

Steve wrote: »

I saw this on youtube, nothing to do with the incident above but one of the Shamrock pilots was responding to ATC instructions with 'wilco'. Had a Kerry or cork accent and sounded like the same fellow who was on comms in JFK a few years back over the hydraulic leak.

Is this allowed?

Thought there was a strict readback rule nowadays?

The readback rule applies to specific instructions, but not to all ATC instructions, so something like a take off clearance, or a route has to be read back in full, as do things like level changes, but there are other things that do not require a read back, and in that case, if it is a specific instruction, then Wilco is a standard phrase that means understood and will comply with the instruction

Steve

Irish Steve wrote: »

The readback rule applies to specific instructions, but not to all ATC instructions, so something like a take off clearance, or a route has to be read back in full, as do things like level changes, but there are other things that do not require a read back, and in that case, if it is a specific instruction, then Wilco is a standard phrase that means understood and will comply with the instruction

Thanks, I'll listen to the comms again with that in mind.

Jawgap

Harrison Ford 'in near-miss' at US airport

.....Ford, aged 74, was instructed to land on a runway at John Wayne airport in Orange Country on Monday.

But instead he mistakenly landed on a parallel taxiway, passing over a waiting American Airlines plane with 110 passengers and crew on board.

That plane safely departed minutes later. Ford has not commented on the reported incident.

Just before the landing, the Indiana Jones star is quoted as asking air traffic controllers: "Was that airliner meant to be underneath me?"

.....it's that kind of flying that allows you to do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs!

Steve

Jawgap wrote: »

Harrison Ford 'in near-miss' at US airport

Just before the landing, the Indiana Jones star is quoted as asking air traffic controllers: "Was that airliner meant to be underneath me?"

.....it's that kind of flying that allows you to do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs!

What he meant to ask was "Was I supposed to be over that airliner?"

GBX

Jawgap wrote: »

Harrison Ford 'in near-miss' at US airport



.....it's that kind of flying that allows you to do the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAJgC7VRpgY

Video footage has emerged for the incident

Jawgap

What happens when you go quiet over Germany......

Jet Airways flight 9W-118, a Boeing 777-300 registered as VT-JEX, was intercepted by a pair of German Luftwaffe Typhoons as a security precaution over Germany on Thursday, February 16, after radio communications with the airliner were briefly lost.

The Typhoons were diverted to the intercept mission while already airborne according to a report in The Aviation Herald by Simon Hradecky.

Dramatic video of the security intercept at 36,000 feet was captured from another airline aircraft, likely a British Airways flight according to unconfirmed information. The video shows the Jet Airways B777 flying normally as first one, then a second Typhoon fly up behind the aircraft. The first Luftwaffe pilot approaches the big Boeing 777 from the same altitude and offset to the airliner’s left, possibly enabling the Typhoon pilot to make an attempt at visual contact with the occupants of the cockpit as a precaution prior to any other contact attempt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJALftSN0ek

pepe the prawn

http://www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/files/report-attachments/REPORT%202017-004.pdf

Report about the helicopter crash while landing in Abbeyshrule.

cml387

pepe the prawn wrote: »

http://www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/files/report-attachments/REPORT%202017-004.pdf

Report about the helicopter crash while landing in Abbeyshrule.

The aircraft (which was not certified to fly in in the Republic Of Ireland) was attempting to land in a totally unsuitable location (and for which it had no permission) in the command of a pilot who was not qualified on type.

:rolleyes:

robyntmorton

pepe the prawn wrote: »

http://www.aaiu.ie/sites/default/files/report-attachments/REPORT%202017-004.pdf

Report about the helicopter crash while landing in Abbeyshrule.

The TL;DR Version: The pilot was a very naughty boy, though the owner too is not blameless.

Stovepipe

Yes. The backstory on this event is quite interesting and the Investigation, not being allowed to affix blames, simply invites you to read between the lines. The potential for at least three deaths and more injuries was very high. When you read a report that repeatedly uses "did not have", "was not qualified",etc,etc, then you know straight away that it's going to be a beaut.

smurfjed

Interesting report, with 440 hours in type, I wouldn't really consider the pilot not qualified in the sense that he was doing something outside his expected capabilities.
The Aeronautical Notice A.19 clearly states that it isn't valid for ex-military aircraft but it doesn't appear to state that approval is required.
As an aircraft pilot, the idea of trying to judge my wingtip within .81m is bloody scary.

Pat Dunne

smurfjed wrote: »

As an aircraft pilot, the idea of trying to judge my wingtip within .81m is bloody scary.

Most people would even attempt to park their car with that sort of clearance

...And Justice

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Most people would even attempt to park their car with that sort of clearance

It was the length of his knob at the time of impact....:)

cml387

I notice the full report into the Hawker Hunter crash at Shoreham is now released on the AAIB website.

beauf

It would be interesting to know the mindset of the pilots in these accidents. I guess we'll never know why they made the decisions they did.

Stovepipe

The IAA have granted permission for ex mil aircraft, usually foreign reg'd, to stay in the State and these permissions are dealt with on an individual basis. A Piper Cub is harmless and easily sorted, a potent ex-mil heli less so, as the maintenance and operational history of these is often not well documented or has been lost or is misplaced between several countries. Some helis, like the Gazelle type, have both civil and military certification and have both Mil standard engines and civvy standard engines. They often have firing harnesses and switch gear and even mil spec floats that have to come out before getting a civvy Permit. So, there's a lot to consider, when granting permission for an ex-mil to operate in the State, even for a limited period, which is why the 28-day rule applies. It should have dawned on the owner that he might have to ask the IAA for permission to operate here,as this is not a new requirement.

Buffman

Luckily the prop doesn't appear to have impacted the aircraft after separation. From AVH:

REX SF34 near Sydney on Mar 17th 2017, propeller detached in flight

A REX Regional Express Saab 340B, registration VH-NRX performing flight ZL-768 from Albury,NS to Sydney,NS (Australia) with 16 passengers and 3 crew, was descending through about FL120 towards Sydney cleared to descend to 8000 feet when the crew declared PAN reported they just had had uncommanded engine operations, the right hand propeller had sheared off, they still were able to fly with normal handling of the aircraft..............The Saab continued for a safe landing on Sydney's runway 16R about 25 minutes later.

ABC News report with ATC.

robyntmorton

That really is impressively scary!

ED E

Sudan are keeping up their reputation..

A passenger plane has crashed at a South Sudan airport, reportedly injuring at least 14 people.

Some 44 people are thought to have been on board the South Supreme Airlines plane when it came down in the northwestern town of Wau.

http://news.sky.com/story/passenger-plane-carrying-44-people-crashes-at-south-sudan-airport-10808982