Interesting Maps

Mullinabreena · 22-06-2021 12:23pm

MyStubbleItches wrote: »

There’s one house in Cork, happens to be in my locality. No new house built there so I’m wondering if it’s an older problem. How is it reported does anyone know?

I found that map here, if it helps.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/mica-map-farmers-sought-to-highlight-extent-of-problem/

farmchoice · 22-06-2021 1:06pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Doesn't seem very accurate at all when it comes to pyrite. There's plenty around the Leinster region and yet there's just the one in Dunboyne on the map.

this appears to be a map of those houses who have been registered with the redress scheme. so loads that have not registered yet.
in leinster a lot of houses had it in the fill as opposed to the blocks and were dealt with under a separate redress scheme.

Hurrache · 22-06-2021 5:38pm

Possibly, quite a few in Dublin had repairs funded by a UK company equivalent to Homebond so that might explain part of it

Roadtoad · 24-06-2021 11:31pm

Might the collective term for ringforts be a murmuration?

NIMAN · 24-06-2021 11:44pm

farmchoice wrote: »

this appears to be a map of those houses who have been registered with the redress scheme. so loads that have not registered yet.
in leinster a lot of houses had it in the fill as opposed to the blocks and were dealt with under a separate redress scheme.

It's not houses registered with the redress scheme. It's just a map where homeowners can add their eircode if they know, or think, their house has mica.

It's only a fraction of the real number.

This got plenty of media coverage for about a week, including a very good doc on Virgin media one tonight, but it's still not getting the coverage it needs to get.

This problem is huge.

farmchoice · 25-06-2021 2:57pm

NIMAN wrote: »

It's not houses registered with the redress scheme. It's just a map where homeowners can add their eircode if they know, or think, their house has mica.

It's only a fraction of the real number.

This got plenty of media coverage for about a week, including a very good doc on Virgin media one tonight, but it's still not getting the coverage it needs to get.

This problem is huge.

ya huge indeed. id love to know more about the ones in dunboyne and gorey. what happens if this has now ''spread'' to boom time estates build in the dublin commuter belt?

SharpshooterTom · 25-06-2021 7:37pm

chooseusername · 25-06-2021 7:50pm

Is that read and write in English?
East cork and Waterford is surprising if so.

mikhail · 26-06-2021 3:15am

chooseusername wrote: »

Is that read and write in English?
East cork and Waterford is surprising if so.

It's probably drawing on the census question, which doesn't specify as far as I recall.

Professor Moriarty · 26-06-2021 9:17pm

SharpshooterTom wrote: »

In 1840, 58% of adults in England could read and write.

Seth Brundle · 26-06-2021 9:26pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

In 1840, 58% of adults in England could read and write.

The British government felt that its Irish citizens weren't worthy of an education which led to the likes of hedge schools.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_school

Professor Moriarty · 26-06-2021 9:31pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

The British government felt that its Irish citizens weren't worthy of an education which led to the likes of hedge schools.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_school

And they were actually very good schools considering. Latin and Greek being common subjects.

Yurt2 · 26-06-2021 10:17pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

And they were actually very good schools considering. Latin and Greek being common subjects.

And they all went off and got jobs as a Latin speaking operator at a call centre in an IDA industrial estate and lived happily ever after.

Professor Moriarty · 26-06-2021 10:20pm

Yurt! wrote: »

And they all went off and got jobs as a Latin speaking operator at a call centre in an IDA industrial estate and lived happily ever after.

Quod erat demonstrandum.

mikhail · 27-06-2021 1:20am

Seth Brundle wrote: »

The British government felt that its Irish citizens weren't worthy of an education which led to the likes of hedge schools.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedge_school

I think public education was still something they were figuring out; see, e.g., the 1870 Education Act. We were behind the curve, sure. No doubt there was some degree of bigotry too, but it wouldn't shock me if Scotland and Wales were similarly illiterate at the time.

killbillvol2 · 27-06-2021 3:21am

Actually we were ahead of the curve. The national school system was established in Ireland in 1831, long before any similar system in England. Ireland had the first state system of elementary education in the English speaking world.

The system was established by the "Stanley Letter" and committed the government to bear two thirds of the cost out of public funds. Schools were intended to be non-denominational or inter denominational. Needless to say the churches eroded that aspect by a war of attrition.

After a slow but steady start, by the early 1850s there were over 5000 schools catering to over half a million children. The map above would look quite different 10 and 20 years later.

Incidentally, school books developed in Marlborough St were highly thought of and were used throughout the British colonies.

Capt'n Midnight · 27-06-2021 10:05am

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/mapviewer/index.html?layers=d6642f8a4f6d4685a24ae2dc0c73d4ac

A ten class global land use/land cover (LULC) map for the year 2020 at 10 meter resolution.

This layer displays a global map of land use/land cover (LULC). The map is derived from ESA Sentinel-2 imagery at 10m resolution. It is a composite of LULC predictions for 10 classes throughout the year in order to generate a representative snapshot of 2020.

Brian? · 28-06-2021 11:55am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/mapviewer/index.html?layers=d6642f8a4f6d4685a24ae2dc0c73d4ac

It's amazing how "red" the Netherlands is. Packed full of people.

TomSweeney · 28-06-2021 12:06pm

Got a book by Simon Winchester called Atlantic

Really Good

http://www.simonwinchester.com/atlantic

.....with his epic new book, a "biography" of the Atlantic Ocean, from its origins 370 million years ago through the population of its shores by humanity and their interactions with it. He sees the Atlantic as the vital ingredient in the blooming of Western civilization. He scrutinizes the early explorations from the Vikings and Norsemen through Columbus, detailing the perils of the open sea. With his excellent research and engrossing anecdotes about the ocean as "a living thing," Winchester spotlights its inspiration on poets, painters, and writers in its majestic beauty.

I read another book of his "Exactly" about engineering and precision - also a great read...

Pherekydes · 28-06-2021 3:02pm

Krakatoa is also an excellent read.

Mimon · 29-06-2021 10:18pm

SharpshooterTom wrote: »

The English/ Irish thing has to be a factor as the levels are very low in areas that would have been still predominantly Irish speaking. Do you have any more details ?

Charles Babbage · 29-06-2021 11:48pm

Pherekydes wrote: »

Krakatoa is also an excellent read.

and The Map that Changed the World

meanwhile

retalivity · 30-06-2021 12:41pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

and The Map that Changed the World

meanwhile

That's a very wonky looking Ireland, no wonder there are so many Armada wrecks off the west coast if it wasn't mapped correctly!

ohnonotgmail · 30-06-2021 12:55pm

retalivity wrote: »

That's a very wonky looking Ireland, no wonder there are so many Armada wrecks off the west coast if it wasn't mapped correctly!

"We are about to hit land sir". "keep going straight Pablo, the map says this is all water"

magicbastarder · 30-06-2021 1:02pm

a mate of my dad was a member of the derry sub aqua club and helped excavate a spanish galleon sunk off bloody foreland, in the 70s
(the excavation was in the 70s, not the sinking of the galleon).

Hodors Appletart · 30-06-2021 2:42pm

there's a myth in my family that a great(ggg) grandmother had a fling with an Armada survivor - loads of my female cousins, and even my sister, are all very dark skinned and jet black hair.

My sister and dad have been approached while on holidays in Spain, by other holidaymakers speaking in broken spanish and loud english to them looking for directions.

the family name is from the west of Ireland

Brian? · 30-06-2021 2:52pm

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

there's a myth in my family that a great(ggg) grandmother had a fling with an Armada survivor - loads of my female cousins, and even my sister, are all very dark skinned and jet black hair.

My sister and dad have been approached while on holidays in Spain, by other holidaymakers speaking in broken spanish and loud english to them looking for directions.

the family name is from the west of Ireland

Same myth in my family, my Grandmother is from Whiddy Island in Bantry Bay.

I did a DNA test last year though, which has pretty much put the idea to bed. I think the dark skin is more to do with the migration of people from Northern Iberia to Ireland mixing with the residents.

josip · 30-06-2021 2:57pm

Brian? wrote: »

Same myth in my family, my Grandmother is from Whiddy Island in Bantry Bay.

I did a DNA test last year though, which has pretty much put the idea to bed. I think the dark skin is more to do with the migration of people from Northern Iberia to Ireland mixing with the residents.

But wouldn't Northern Iberian migration show up similarly to a wrecked Spanish sailor in a DNA profile?

Brian? · 30-06-2021 3:00pm

josip wrote: »

But wouldn't Northern Iberian migration show up similarly to a wrecked Spanish sailor in a DNA profile?

Nope, populations thousands of years apart. The people in Iberia who migrated to Ireland during the bronze age weren't that closely related to the later populations. Especially not post Spanish caliphate.

My DNA shows genetic markers common in Irish people but not common among modern Spanish people, who would be closely related to the Spanish people aboard the Armada.

silliussoddius · 30-06-2021 3:06pm

Brian? wrote: »

Nope, populations thousands of years apart. The people in Iberia who migrated to Ireland during the bronze age weren't that closely related to the later populations. Especially not post Spanish caliphate.

My DNA shows genetic markers common in Irish people but not common among modern Spanish people, who would be closely related to the Spanish people aboard the Armada.

The Irish genetic make up is closest to Britain, the link to Iberia was from the early days of testing and was due to the Y lineage R1b being found in high levels in the Basque region and the assumption being made that it originated there due to that high frequency. Recent testing on ancient remains in Europe indicate that R1b arrived in both Iberia from Eastern Europe (arriving there somewhere North of the Black Sea) and was spread during the mid to late Bronze Age with the archaeological feature know as the Bell Beakers.
I think the Armada story has more to do with Spain being a Catholic Empire fighting against the British Protestant Empire, it makes Irish people seem less linked to British.

Brian? · 30-06-2021 3:09pm

silliussoddius wrote: »

The Irish genetic make up is closest to Britain, the link to Iberia was from the early days of testing and was due to the Y lineage R1b being found in high levels in the Basque region and the assumption being made that it originated there due to that high frequency. Recent testing on ancient remains in Europe indicate that R1b arrived in both Iberia from Eastern Europe (arriving there somewhere North of the Black Sea) and was spread during the mid to late Bronze Age with the archaeological feature know as the Bell Beakers.
I think the Armada story has more to do with Spain being a Catholic Empire fighting against the British Protestant Empire, it makes Irish people seem less linked to British.

Well Scotland, Wales, Cumbria and Cornwall surely? "British" genetic heritage is a hodge podge compared to Ireland. The aforementioned areas being more homogenous, like Ireland.

silliussoddius · 30-06-2021 3:21pm

Brian? wrote: »

Well Scotland, Wales, Cumbria and Cornwall surely? "British" genetic heritage is a hodge podge compared to Ireland. The aforementioned areas being more homogenous, like Ireland.

Yes, closer to Wester Britain. Easter England trends a bit more closer to Scandanavia/Germanic Europe. In general North Europe and South Europe group together. In general European populations are made up of three groups, just different amounts at different times: post ice age inhabitants, farmers from the Middle East and the Bell Beaker group associated with the spread of the Indo European languages. Finland seems to be the odd one out.
I used to be into this a few years ago, there was a good blog with posts that cover this but I can't find them now. This was also covered in the history forum.

Brian? · 30-06-2021 3:37pm

silliussoddius wrote: »

Yes, closer to Wester Britain. Easter England trends a bit more closer to Scandanavia/Germanic Europe. In general North Europe and South Europe group together. In general European populations are made up of three groups, just different amounts at different times: post ice age inhabitants, farmers from the Middle East and the Bell Beaker group associated with the spread of the Indo European languages. Finland seems to be the odd one out.
I used to be into this a few years ago, there was a good blog with posts that cover this but I can't find them now. This was also covered in the history forum.

It's all about the granularity of how deeply you look in fairness. How distinct the populations are is pretty subjective. We aren't that distantly related to Germans, but we aren't as closely related as we are to the Cornish or Scots.

I only learned about the Bell Beaker people after my DNA testing, it's extremely interesting.

Seth Brundle · 30-06-2021 3:44pm

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

there's a myth in my family that a great(ggg) grandmother had a fling with an Armada survivor - loads of my female cousins, and even my sister, are all very dark skinned and jet black hair.

My sister and dad have been approached while on holidays in Spain, by other holidaymakers speaking in broken spanish and loud english to them looking for directions.

the family name is from the west of Ireland

Brian? wrote: »

Same myth in my family, my Grandmother is from Whiddy Island in Bantry Bay.

I did a DNA test last year though, which has pretty much put the idea to bed. I think the dark skin is more to do with the migration of people from Northern Iberia to Ireland mixing with the residents.

I'm reminded ot the Only Fools & Horses episode Strangers on the Shore in which it transpires that "during the war" Uncle Albert had been a bit of a lothario in a French village called St. Claire a la Chappelle.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0666571/

silliussoddius · 30-06-2021 8:53pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

and The Map that Changed the World

meanwhile

A bit off topic, but this book was great. It’s about the Armada sent that resulted in the battle of Kinsale.

https://obrien.ie/hell-or-some-worse-place-kinsale-1601

Mimon · 30-06-2021 11:24pm

silliussoddius wrote: »

A bit off topic, but this book was great. It’s about the Armada sent that resulted in the battle of Kinsale.

https://obrien.ie/hell-or-some-worse-place-kinsale-1601

Have seen it discussed on Boards recently that it would make a great series/film.

Apparently the English were on the verge of starvation and disease ridden after siege during a very harsh winter after and if O'Neill held back instead of attacking them he probably would have won. So near and yet so far.

Capt'n Midnight · 04-07-2021 1:12pm

Seth Brundle · 04-07-2021 2:06pm

https://twitter.com/qikipedia/status/1411671138355253256?s=19

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retalivity · 04-07-2021 5:52pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

And gerrymandering for all!

chooseusername · 15-07-2021 9:15pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208860/Top-secret-dossier-uncovered-containing-detailed-maps-postcards-Hitlers-plan-invade-neutral-Ireland.html

Hitler's maps and postcards of Ireland in preparation for a possible invation.

ohnonotgmail · 15-07-2021 9:35pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117617070#Comment_117617070

I read this part and then stopped. I think the article was written by their showbiz reporter

On September 17, 1940, Hitler was forced to scrap plans to invade Ireland - called Operation Sealion - because of the Luftwaffe's failure to gain air supremacy over England during the Battle of Britain

I read further and it gets worse

Expert Richard Westwood Brookes said the document shows how the Irish were wrong to believe they were safe from invasion after accommodating the Nazis during the war

It made military sense for the Germans to invade Ireland as it was a perfect location to set up for an invasion of England

Because invading britain from ireland is so much easier than invading across the much short channel.

AndrewJRenko · 16-07-2021 7:40am

Who knew that the Appalachain mountains stretched to Ireland and the UK?

https://twitter.com/AlexPetrovnia/status/1415668133025701889?s=19

Nice thread

josip · 16-07-2021 8:01am

ednwireland · 16-07-2021 8:07am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117618213#Comment_117618213

wellthe footpath stretches across !

Flying Abruptly · 16-07-2021 4:22pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117617195#Comment_117617195

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Green_%28Ireland%29

Operation Green was the German Invasion Plan for Ireland. It was developed in a good bit of detail and the idea was to set up a beachhead across south-east Leinster. How serious it was or not is another story, and may have been "leaked" as a diversionary tactic against the British forces, similar to what the allies did before the Normandy invasions. Roberts Fisk's book "In Time of War: Ireland, Ulster, and the Price of Neutrality, 1939-45" describes it in detail.